Sdra 2010 engine rules

[bob hindman]

250-292 CHEVY can be used.
no lump ports
intake port boss canot be removed

240-300 FORD can be used.

Late model engines must use flat top pistons.

Cast iron head & block only.NO ALUM.

NO V-8 HEAD ALLOWED.....

BETTER ASK BEFORE YOU BUILD SOMTHING CRAZZZZYYY.....

[Chief_Wannabe]

No V-8 head allowed ? What does this apply to ? Suppose, just for discussion purposes only that somebody was looking at building a Pontiac Trophy 4. One head makes it an I-4, 2 heads makes it a V-8. Who's going to make that call ?

[bob hindman]

If the head came on the engine stock its OK....

HINEY..

[Hudsonator]

Glad I haven't built one yet. No way in hell I can compete with a 292. I'm abitious, not plumb stupid.

I am totally disappointed. Beyond disappointed, but should have seen it coming.

damn.

Hud

[Joe Hamby]

If anyone wants to change the rules to use a 300 ford or a 292 chevy, then they are posting on the wrong board, maybe inliners international?

[64 DODGE 440]

If anyone wants to change the rules to use a 300 ford or a 292 chevy, then they are posting on the wrong board, maybe inliners international?

Sounds like them boys are heading down the road to N(o)H(ot)R(ods)A(llowed) certified chassis and a whole bunch more regulations that are gonna drive the cost of running one of their cars right through the roof.

Hope they enjoy the drive to the poor house.:p

[bobw]

No certification of the chassis is needed untill you run 9.99. From 10:00 to infinity requires the same build rules & safety equipment at any NHRA track that is strict. Many tracks aren't, and relax some requirements based on how fast & quick the car is.

With the 302 GMC's capable of around 350 horses, just about any other inline or flathead from that era doesn't have much of a chance. I would guess the cost of building a flathead Ford that is competitive would very high. So, in one respect, It will be cheaper to be competitive with a 292 Chev or a 300 Ford.

I now have a slant six in my car. In the corner of the garage are a couple 292 Chevys. It wouldn't cost me one cent more to run one of those instead of the slant.

In my opinion, the main thing lost with this change is the connection with the early to mid-50's era.

[moparsled]

Sounds like them boys are heading down the road to N(o)H(ot)R(ods)A(llowed) certified chassis and a whole bunch more regulations that are gonna drive the cost of running one of their cars right through the roof.

Hope they enjoy the drive to the poor house.:p

seems less like vintage dragsters than current inliner gas altered.

[Hudsonator]

seems less like vintage dragsters than current inliner gas altered.

I just finished typing something to the effect, " I admire Corey's philosophy with a renewed appreciation".

I'm still having a hard time dealing with my disappointment in SDRA.

Hud

[mudflap261]

Glad I haven't built one yet. No way in hell I can compete with a 292. I'm abitious, not plumb stupid.

I am totally disappointed. Beyond disappointed, but should have seen it coming.

damn.

Hudone of the reasons this came about was no car count. there was a number of guys saying they would build cars if they could run later engines, be cause it was to easeier to find engines and parts for them. but they like others forget about THE 6 INCH TIRE RULE, THAT DID NOT CHANGE it does no good to make 400 hp if you cant get it to the ground.WILL THE FENCE SITTERS BUILD CARS I DOUBT IT.A 11/11 SECOND RULE WAS PUT INTO EFFECT RUN QUICKER YOU WILL HAVE TO SLOW THE CAR DOWN, BY ADDING WEIGHT OR RETARDING THE TIMING ETC ETC.TO ME THE CLASS IS ABOUT GETTING MOST OUT OF WHAT YOU HAVE WINNING ISNT THAT BIG OF A DEAL.THAT SHOULD EVIDENT BY THAT TANK WE ARE BUILDING.ITS MORE ABOUT THE COMMRODERIE. ONE THING FOR SURE IF WE DONT GET MORE CAR COUNT WE ARE HISTORY

[348chevy]

Would I like it to stay the same, you bet. But somehow we have to get more cars to run. I won the series at Tulsa this year so why would I want to change but as Mudflap said we need more racers in the class. Hudsoator I believe that you can build a competitor out of a Hudson engine. I don't know what my GMC engine makes HP wise but I am not going to change engines because I believe I can compete against a 292 or a 300. Everyone complained about the GMC's making everyone not being able to compete but the GMC's are to expensive to get and build. A 302 head goes for $1000 now If I parted my engine out it would bring $5000. I don't know the answer but I'm still going to be in the game. The people that I talked to who were interested in building a SDRA were turned off by the few old engines. Tulsa is going NHRA next year so that means I have to change the rollbar and make a few more changes to meet the rules. I would rather race than sit at home. ;) Roy

[Ryan]

I'm afraid this class is no longer relevant to the HAMB.

[Old6rodder]

Actually gentlemen, these are two very different things. SDRA's been a divergence from it's inception, with no claim nor intention to be HA/GR. I've always respected'em for that clarity (not so, other divergences that try to lay claim to the HA/GR name while ignoring it's concepts).

They took the original HAMB HA/GR concept and applied modern concepts of racing to it. It's exactly what they wanted and will sink or swim on it's own merits, seperate from HA/GR, as they intended.

HA/GR's alive & well and living the dream it was devised to fulfill. We were slow getting it rolling out here on the left coast but it's doing just fine, thank you .......
#11 & #14 :D http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=407525

We had a new straight eight flattie HA/GR and the first passes of ThingyM's new little chevie six HA/GR at the Eagle Field meet last weekend.
And there are more a'buildin'. Tom's flattie six and another engine for Joe's "slipper" style job for two definite, and three others I know of personally.

Give it a bit of time and you'll see out here exactly what the Aussies are enjoying.

And I honestly hope the SDRA take-off succeds in it's own venues as well. They're not exactly HAMB but they're putting good effort into a great idea and in as much as they're born of the HAMB originally I hope they continue on the board.

[moparsled]

I just finished typing something to the effect, " I admire Corey's philosophy with a renewed appreciation".

I'm still having a hard time dealing with my disappointment in SDRA.

Hud

my philosophy of HA/GR remains intact, perhaps reinforced even, by SDRA, even if that now means one less venue for my rail. "Competetive" is relative, and racing the old way is absolutely paramount to me. Thankfully, Ryan has absolutely no intentions of changing HA/GR.

Mark-
build the HA/GR. Don't worry about the SDRA. Wrap that Hud in the most vintage shell you're capable of, and live the time warp. Leave the AN fittings, four barrels and Powerglides to the guys that crave the computer generated timeslips, and focus on the past.

[64 DODGE 440]

my philosophy of HA/GR remains intact, perhaps reinforced even, by SDRA, even if that now means one less venue for my rail. "Competetive" is relative, and racing the old way is absolutely paramount to me. Thankfully, Ryan has absolutely no intentions of changing HA/GR.

Mark-
build the HA/GR. Don't worry about the SDRA. Wrap that Hud in the most vintage shell you're capable of, and live the time warp. Leave the AN fittings, four barrels and Powerglides to the guys that crave the computer generated timeslips, and focus on the past.

Sled, you have it right. After spending last Saturday at the Eagle Field meet.......flag starts, no time slips and a grin that won't go away, thanks to Old6rodder letting me make a pass in the Barn Job, the past is where it's at. These cars are meant to be time machines and after one pass all of the other stuff goes away.

Anyone who can't have fun doing this should be considered not capable of having fun.

[Down the road]

I hop you boys thinkin bout building one of them fords gota lot a time an money. It aint no bolt togedher an go fast deal im here to tell ya. My boys been atit a few years anthey still a chasen one them gmcs, Man they got a hole pil a blowd up hi dollor ingins out be hin the barn ta prov its so. shore gona be fun whatin ya tri. good luc.

[Down the road]

They tells me I posta do a howdy so yall no woo i are. Well now i started wit a tmodel an then got a amodel. some 1 tol me a cmodel cranc id make it fasor butt i coudnt see no diffarence ya stil pollit tha samewy. got me 1 henrys 40 models that went fastor eny thum amodels. darne thang got 2 meny themare wores fer me. thene da misses had themare 2 bois an theys putan end 2 ma racin fer a spel. Ibranged em up rite so theys no bout chinary theys dun ritwel i gus. Theys gotem 1 themare racin macins anare adoin rel gud cus day brung hom somdim trofis. dy bin casin 1dim gmee dakant katch da sys. dats bout oll ise gots ta saa fer nou.

[butch nassau]

This sounds about right.

My chassis has been done for six weeks.I have a235 Chevy...had to buy two to make one.

I've spent the last 45 days trying to put this obsolete, obnoxious antediluvian piece of automotive junk together.

Between machine shop owners who stand on the roof so they can "see me coming" to predatory hoarders of nostalgia parts to gunk so thick that I was actually kicked out of the "engine cleaning " bay of a local car wash to....

Anyway, I just now got the long block together...oh yeah, I forgot the $440.00 for the adapter to a reasonable transmission--I turn on the computer and find out that all that was unnecessary because the later model engines will now be legal in the SDRA.

Having said all that I support the move to the later engines 100%.

These old engines are just too tough to update, too hard to find and too expensive to enjoy.

Hooray! I hope the change brings more cars into the class. The concept of wide-axle nostalgia type dragsters is brilliant, but the adherence to long defunct iron is counterproductive.

[Ryan]

I hope you guys do well and have fun, but I think you sdra guys are gonna need to find another forum to gather on. Nothing at all personal, but we try to stick with traditional topics here.

[vectorsolid]

NO V-8 HEAD ALLOWED.....

BETTER ASK BEFORE YOU BUILD SOMTHING CRAZZZZYYY.....

Glad to see that no V8 head rule.

[vectorsolid]

I hope you guys do well and have fun, but I think you sdra guys are gonna need to find another forum to gather on. Nothing at all personal, but we try to stick with traditional topics here.

just so I understand what you're saying. Do you mean a different part of the HAMB, not the HA/GR section. Or do you mean a completely different website?

I found about 2 threads on every page, in any section here on the HAMB where they're certainly not "traditional" topics. But I'm not a mod here, just an enthusiastic guest. But there are all kinds of threads like this guy with a 2.3L ford turbo engine he's trying to get in a 32 panel... Did we shut him down? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=307454&highlight=subaru

what about this post: Which is actually pretty damn slick, but that engine ain't traditional
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4041557&postcount=46

Are we gonna lock toymakers thread, or our thread, or all the others that aren't completely accurate? or ban folks that mention an acronym that doesn't match the forum title. Is there that kind of time available to police that? Be a LOT less content in this section, in real short order, as not all of it matches the title.

Ryan, I'm on your side, I get what it's about, We've seen the posts and discussed direction in other threads. I'm cool with what you've written or I've seen quoted. We're all doing, what the concept is about, with our own takes on it. That ain't bad. Ours wouldn't have gotten done without some minor compromise. And I'd like to think our build thread has been informative, funny, well done, and provides valuable information to a stumped builder. Or proves that "everyman" can have a shot at it.

I'm not trying to argue. Just put up a good debate to leave the SDRA guys to hang out. What's a few months on an engine when the pricinciples of hotrodding it are the same? case in point the slant-6 crowd sneaking in and the 292 being shunned although built just months later (as I understand it).

I'd like to add that I'm a builder with a Vintage dragster that's hit the track, not a sideline shit talker. With the help of the HAMB and the loyal 20-30 guys that haunt the HA/GR section we are promoting the values of the HAMB (as a whole, and as I understand it). HA/GR, SDRA, NHRA, and a whole host of others. These are the people we seem to have found with common interests. and we gather here on the HAMB. ;)

I would also add that I'd hate to see all the SDRA guys pack up and leave. that would mean I'd have to haunt another website, I don't have that kind of time.

Wouldn't it be best to keep everybody here so we could keep an eye on things? If some leave, there is less control in the eventual path. And they will have to make an effort to get a forum going to discuss vintage dragsters after they leave. And there would be more incentive to make it successful.

Just for the record. I like coming here, as a "hotrod" guy, and discussing our vintage creations.

As is, a few different years on engines shouldn't negate a mans ability to talk about stuff on a forum. Isn't the very "essence" of traditional hotrodding the desire to make your shit faster, no matter what it is? Even our first car, by definition is NOT a 100% accurate HA/GR car. But we put those stickers on it anyway. Why? So people could google it and find out what's going on in the Vintage world. And support the forums and payback by creating interest.

took me a long time to wrap around some of the ass-wads that hang out here on the HAMB. And they're only about 1 in 10. the rest of us are average dudes with garages full of junk trying to make the best of it, helping othere dudes with garages full of crap. But I muddled through, and have been largely supportive and helpful ever since the rough first week or so of "initiation".

Just my .02 and trying to be politically correct as possible. :)

-Vector

[Ryan]

To be honest, I'm not interested in control at all. I'm interested in traditional hot rodding... My take is this - the SDRA is cool. They are doing a good job of creating a little drag racing class for folks to easily participate and have fun with. However, the further and further it gets from traditional drag racing, the less and less it is relevant to what we try to focus on here. That doesn't mean I think they suck or anything... it's just editorial.

I guess we can see how it goes?

[moparsled]

so, whatever happened to the SDRA "no 4bbl's in 2010" that I read about earlier this year?

[Hudsonator]

Hooray! I hope the change brings more cars into the class. The concept of wide-axle nostalgia type dragsters is brilliant, but the adherence to long defunct iron is counterproductive.

If one reads the above statement over and over again, it becomes completely oxymoronic.

Nostalgia by definition IS long defunct iron.

I also wish the SDRA guys lots of luck, and really like the guys that hang out here. I went out to meet Hemibaker at Bowling Green this past June and was treated very cordially - learned alot. Another SDRA guy, Dave Jones, hunted me down in the show area and we talked a good hour and a half. Talked to Hiney on the phone and swapped a bunch of e-mails with him since finding this section of the HAMB.

I don't want those guys to fall silent, we've all come to like them and enjoy their exploits. However, they have certainly placed thier asses on the slippery slope in terms of this new rule. Get more "new" folks involved? - yeah probably. What about the guys already there? Reckon they'll stay? I can tell you from experiance; if you've spent the time, money, and effort to build a nostalgic engine - a change like this can be a back breaker. Not so much the cost of a new engine, but the waste of the old one can be hard to swallow. There is always a fallout when a rule like this changes.

Best of luck,
Hud

[bobw]

SDRA races with their Big Dog/Porch Dog format, so everyone gets the same number of runs. There is room for a player that cares less about winning than running an engine he is obsessed with.

If you look carefully at the last videos from Oz, you will see (gasp) handicap starts. Better known as dial in's. I could be wrong about this if there are guys being very late on the lights. They also have a "not to exceed" e.t. that is within the reach of a variety of engines.

At the risk of personal embarassment, I'm guessing the current record e.t. for SDRA cars is very close to the ultimate e.t. So, to be a winner you need to select equipment with the potential to run that quick. If a person builds with an engine that can't be competitive then their objective is more personal and internal than winning races.

SDRA has developed a racing class and circuit and needs enough participants to keep the series viable.

[esfoder]

If I lived down there I would run my combo no mater the rule change. If it's not fast enough then I would go and do some home work make it faster.I agree with bob in the sense that if ya pick an engine that can't be competive ( they are not all created equal ya know) then be happy with what you've done. If winning the whole show is what you crave then pick the right combo for the job. Lots of the old timers switched brands to be more competive in stock cars and drag racing. Survival of the fittest is what heads up is all about. Plain and simple


Just my thoughts

Dusty

[Down the road]

Guys i'm sorry a bout the last two posts on here but that was my dad. He's 95 and still going strong. I hope you could read what he wrote, he only has a third grade education. He still love to go to the track with us and never met a stranger. He was a very good mechanic and hotroder in his younger days.

What he said about the pile out behind the barn is true. We have raced Fords for a few years with some success. We did OK with the flat heads but the 6's haven't been so great, the 240's ran good, but the 300's have not lived up to our hopes.
We seem to have a lot of broken parts to bring home. We even had a "pro" build a motor for us with about the same results. He put the good parts in, did the right machine work, even got a good flowing head to no avail. The sad part of the story is we are still chasing an old but good running GMC. He is like that rabit, "he just keeps on going". We both run comparable cars, but he just kicks our tail.

The only guy that can run with the GMC is running a 250+" chevy6. It is a winder for sure, it must turn at least 7000, cause it screams. It can be heard over any thing it runs against.

Well it back the the barn to add to the pile out back.

[bobw]

DTW, For a while I thought your posts were some kind of joke or put-on. But there was an honesty and emotion there that meant that couldn't be the case. I appreciate that your dad shares his information with us.

Way back when Ak Miller showed how to build a 300" Ford six in Hot Rod magazine, I did one. Put it in a Model A pickup. Not too smart having 2 cylinders inside an already small cab, but I'm short. It ran good but never had the performance I expected.

Here's hoping you and Dad build build a Hambster out of that pile behind the barn.

[Old6rodder]

Read'em just fine. Welcome to the board.

[butch nassau]

[QUOTE=Hudsonator;4449828]If one reads the above statement over and over again, it becomes completely oxymoronic.

Nostalgia by definition IS long defunct iron."

Reply,

Not to put too fine a point on the subject but...Nostalgia is " a longing, often idealized, for the past."

Defunct is "no longer functioning."

Nostalgia for a 235 Chevrolet six cylinder would envision a (maybe) 1964 ultra-sano Corvette Blue Flame Six with three side drafts.

Reality turned out to be a 1959 one barrel truck engine that had not had the oil changed since the early Nixon Administration.

There, are we far enough off track?

Butch

[esfoder]

[QUOTE=Hudsonator;4449828]If one reads the above statement over and over again, it becomes completely oxymoronic.

Nostalgia by definition IS long defunct iron."

Reply,

Not to put too fine a point on the subject but...Nostalgia is " a longing, often idealized, for the past."

Defunct is "no longer functioning."

Nostalgia for a 235 Chevrolet six cylinder would envision a (maybe) 1964 ultra-sano Corvette Blue Flame Six with three side drafts.

Reality turned out to be a 1959 one barrel truck engine that had not had the oil changed since the early Nixon Administration.

There, are we far enough off track?

Butch
I knew a guy that had a 54 corvette with the 235 and 3 side drafts and split dual exhaust. That was the sweetest sounding e note in the world.


Nice

Dusty

[Hudsonator]

[QUOTE=Hudsonator;4449828]Reality turned out to be a 1959 one barrel truck engine that had not had the oil changed since the early Nixon Administration.

There, are we far enough off track?

Butch

Reality is going to be:

That 292's aren't all that easy to find, way more 250's.

AND, they haven't been taken very good care of either. Most haven't seen a good oil change since the Reagan adminstration.

I got a real dose of reality myself lately, with an sbc project. Folks, there isn't that much good iron out there of any stripe in the junk yards, the core hounds keep them lapped up. You can find 305's all day long, but not 350's. Chinese demand for scrap has put us all in a bind, I'm afraid.

Hud

[esfoder]

Hot rod did an article on the chevy sixes awhile ago. They made 250 to 300 or so hp but they were electronic fuel injected also had the lump port and Kirbys alloy heads. If they have to stick with flat tops and stock heads it might not be that big of an advantage other than finding parts and tranny selection?

I've never messed with one much other than to keep it runnung.

Enjoy your weekend

Dusty

[vectorsolid]

[QUOTE=butch nassau;4455535]

Reality is going to be:

That 292's aren't all that easy to find, way more 250's.

Folks, there isn't that much good iron out there of any stripe in the junk yards, the core hounds keep them lapped up.

+1
.
.

[nexxussian]

Hot rod did an article on the chevy sixes awhile ago. They made 250 to 300 or so hp but they were electronic fuel injected also had the lump port and Kirbys alloy heads. If they have to stick with flat tops and stock heads it might not be that big of an advantage other than finding parts and tranny selection?

I've never messed with one much other than to keep it runnung.

Enjoy your weekend

Dusty


Wasn't that the "Joy of Six" article?

[esfoder]

Yes I belive it was joy of six. They were more less street engines. Made good power but not 350 hp? I think it was around 290 300 hp and about the same torque. It also had some good info on roller cams and other goodies but like I said I don't see alot of advantage of them over what the top guys are running now other than parts are avaliable and easy to find.

I would rather do it the hard way but thats just me.

Besides flatheads look cooler


Just my take on the subject

Dusty

[bobw]

Here's some information on the 292 from Leo Santucci's book:
1. Stock rods with ARP-type bolts should only be used for street, mild street/strip applications. Aluminum rods, are available, but costly.
2. Flat top pistons coupled with an 80cc combustion chamber head can yield up to 10.3 to 1 compression ratio. With a 194 CID head having 60cc chambers a
compression ratio up to 12.4 to 1 is achievable.
3. The stock head with stock valves, no porting flows, Intake 169CFM, Exhaust 122CFM.
4. A ported head without lump ports, but with 1.94" intake valves and 1.60 exhaust valves flows, Intake 217CFM, Exhaust 175CFM.
5. A practical street level limit on gasoline is about 1.1 H.P./cu.in. or 332 H.P. for a .060" over 292.
6. In my planning for a drag race 292, I found forged pistons for about $100/ each and aluminum rods for about the same price. This was for a Fiat Altered.
Ok, you dyno guys and engine specialists, what kind of drag strip horsepower can be achieved with a 292 in SDRA trim?
Does this engine become the new King of the Hill???

[butch nassau]

Alright...that did it.

This is getting out of hand.

It's time for Obama to appoint a Horsepower Czar.

[Hudsonator]

The 292 in our Allis tractor is probably running in the 330 hp range. Stock rods with appropriate treatment, Ross flattops, ported stock head, triple Holley/Motorcraft carbs. 280* duration Clifford hydraulic camshaft. The block was decked to a zero clearance, best I remember its running 11.5:1 compression. The head does have the 1.94 intakes with 1.60 exhausts and roller topend.

Come and get it, the whole tractor is for sale. $5000.00, that's the cost of the engine at that level. All the little bases have been covered.

Yeah, its the new "King of the Hill". I don't know anything about 300 Fords, they could possibly be the new "King". Maybe somebody with experiance with the Blue Oval with chime in.

Hud

[esfoder]

I'm a chevy guy but I still think the older engines have a fighting chance with the newer makes. The chevies are lighter I'm sure but 330 to 350 hp is not a king of the hill number. Besides who races dynos anyway??

It's the total combo that makes a car fast or not. I'm sure we all have seen the car with the big motor loud pipes and such not be all the hype.


Or I might be full of shit?

Dusty

P.S. why not add some weight to new motors?

[Hudsonator]

I'm a chevy guy but I still think the older engines have a fighting chance with the newer makes. The chevies are lighter I'm sure but 330 to 350 hp is not a king of the hill number. Besides who races dynos anyway??

It's the total combo that makes a car fast or not. I'm sure we all have seen the car with the big motor loud pipes and such not be all the hype.


Or I might be full of shit?

Dusty

P.S. why not add some weight to new motors?

Naw man, you ain't full of shit.

Its gonna be interesting to see the result this spring. This is gonna make us old iron lovers work much harder, which is a good thing.

Hud

[bobw]

I'm not speaking for or against the SDRA engine rule. It won't affect me stuck way up here on the tundra. Was just pointing out that the 292 makes some decent horsepower pretty easily. Certainly, the combination is important as is the driver so horsepower alone won't get the win. Even though I have 2 292's in the corner, the Slant ain't coming out of the car, because I'm curious to see how well it can be made to perform.
If one engine proves to dominate to the point where guys either want to quit or everyone decides to run the same engine, then a method of handicapping seems to make sense. A weight penalty, like the Pro Stock motorcycles use, and esfoder suggests, sounds reasonable.

[esfoder]

Everyone knows that alittle weight put in the wrong place makes a huge difference in car launching and general handling. And with the 6" hard ass tire rule it would do the job I'm sure. Hell even a weight to cubic inch would be fun. give the little engines a fighting chance.

Dusty

P.S. Not trying to start anything just thinking out loud. But on the flip side more rules does funnel the cars into a common design.

[RAY With]

.As a long time engine builder and no recollection of Flatty's that I ran 55+years ago I am doing a flatty with the usual parts and what ever it runs I will be happy. If my quest was to be king of the hill I would select another avenue of competition. I am not worrying about who or what is faster but rather how we did it back then in the early 50's since I thought this is what the HA/GR is about. An original 50 built digger with small tires and a flatty is how it started and how I will approach this competition. After watching the flattys run at Temple Academy last week I am fired up and ready for some trips down the track next season

[Rand Man]

You're right Ray. Re-creating what they did in the early '50's (with 1950's parts) is what HA/GR is all about.

An altered, with a big screaming Ford or Chevy six, PG, trans-brake, slicks, maybe a Fiat body, full cage, wheelie bar, etc, could be very cool. Very cool, but not an HA/GR. Build a '60's version (with 1960's parts), set a 10.0 index, put real race tires on it and have a new level of fun. Just don't call it an HA/GR.

[THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER]

The 292... is the new "King of the Hill". I don't know anything about 300 Fords, they could possibly be the new "King". Maybe somebody with experiance with the Blue Oval with chime in.

Hud

I think a 300 Ford could be built cheaply and reliably to compete.

Exhibit A:
my roadster P/U

It has flat top pistons, full street-legal equipment (except windshield and wipers) and 2.47:1 gears!! It weighs 2050 lbs w/ 70 lbs ballast and has run 11.61 @ 118 on 10.5 slicks. With gearing like that I don't think a 6" tire would slow it down a bit as it doesn't turn a tire at all. Heck, it may run faster. Most importantly, it has over 1200 passes on the short block with no maintenance except oil changes. What fun!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/6racer/TECH%20INFO/truckster01.jpg

PS: Pay no attention to the blue 147 mph Ford six altered in my non HAMB friendly avatar

[Hudsonator]

I think a 300 Ford could be built cheaply and reliably to compete.

Exhibit A:
my roadster P/U

.....has run 11.61 @ 118 on 10.5 slicks.

PS: Pay no attention to the blue 147 mph Ford six altered in my non HAMB friendly avatar

Uh yeah, I figured you'd be around somewhere. Aren't you the 300 Ford Six tech advisor for the Inliners now?

Does this answer some of you guy's questions?

Hud

[THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER]

Uh yeah, I figured you'd be around somewhere. Aren't you the 300 Ford Six tech advisor for the Inliners now?

Does this answer some of you guy's questions?

Hud
Yes, I lurk over here too. I love this site.

As Hudsonator alluded to here are some useful websites for inline enthusiasts:

www.fordsix.com (http://www.fordsix.com)
www.inliners.org (http://www.inliners.org)

[RAY With]

I think a 300 Ford could be built cheaply and reliably to compete.

Exhibit A:
my roadster P/U

It has flat top pistons, full street-legal equipment (except windshield and wipers) and 2.47:1 gears!! It weighs 2050 lbs w/ 70 lbs ballast and has run 11.61 @ 118 on 10.5 slicks. With gearing like that I don't think a 6" tire would slow it down a bit as it doesn't turn a tire at all. Heck, it may run faster. Most importantly, it has over 1200 passes on the short block with no maintenance except oil changes. What fun!
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PS: Pay no attention to the blue 147 mph Ford six altered in my non HAMB friendly avatar

I ran some experimental 300 Ford 6's on circle track and did a lot of weird machine work and came up with an ultimate combination. The torque is unbelievable and maintaince was average for the style of racing at that time. I believe that kind of power would be a little much in a 50's digger but it all depends on how fast you want to go with the modern power plants. I am after a good cheap time but doing a flatty I found "Cheap" isn't in the book. However I believe with the good parts it should survive for many years and that's the quest along with some old time type racing. At our age we can all go faster with junk yard late model power plants versus slower flatty hot rod motors but what is accomplished? I really think the HA/GR is going to be one fine set of cars if we just keep in mind its the 50's and do it like it was then. After witnessing several flattys at Temple Academy smoking the RR tire all the way down rekindled the old feeling and memories again and if my digger will do it like that I have accomplished my goal.

[348chevy]

I used to race a flathead in the 50's and they can be made to perform great. The key with a flathead is go big on cubic inches. You need close to 300 inches. That is a 3/8 by 3/8 which means you increase the bore and the stroke. An Isky 400 Jr cam or Potvin Eliminator cam will get you the horsepower needed. It is important to go light weight pistons and a girdle on the mains. These engines are light and a light dragster is the key. Gene's Brake Shop broke 150 mph in 1957 on Nitro. I think that most of the flatheads running in this class are small cubic inch flatheads. With someone using a Mercury crank you get 1/4 stroke but that isn't enough. Flatheads are an exspenive way to go even more exspensive than a GMC. Nobody raced junkyard engines in th 50's and were competitive. If we don't get more people running we will die. You can build a car for a couple of thousand dollars and run it down the track but if you win it will be a fluke like a red light or something. I would love to stay the same but if it takes something to get more cars then I'll listen but if all this is over the GMC being the dominate engine and someone wants to go modern just to beat it, then why did I research and pay lots of money to build a GMC to be sandbagged later. I tried to play by the rules and I want to grow into a large contingent of cars but not at the cost of ruining the class. Racing the SDRA this year was great but we kind of petered out at the last. I committed to racing every race and towed the dragster over 6000 miles and stayed in motels so it was a big exspense. I love the adrenaline rush when that GMC starts pulling on the top end, it is like drinking 50 cups of coffee. I think that the 292's and 300's will do the same so I hope that I can take older technology and still be competitive. We'll see.:confused: Roy