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Terry
11-02-2003, 05:20 PM
While I'm aways away from needing it yet I am thinking of body color for my truck. Ever since I first saw Ken Schmidt's 32 I have been in heat (American Rodder/March 2002 pg. 73). The car just reaks Hot Rod.
Anyway I am really leaning towards the red oxide primer look. Even though it has been a thousand other colors in my head, I seem to always come back to the red primer.
So back to my question. Saturday I went to the paint store and was picking up some sand paper, and thought I'd ask about Red Oxide Primer. The answer was "Nope, don't have it. Can't get it. And nobody makes it anymore. So I called around and got the same answer from Dupont, PPG, and Shermin Williams, dealers.
So now I come to my HAMB brothers asking. Is this the truth? No red oxide! Why do I see it everywhere?
Thanks
O'Rielys(sp) sales RED OXIDE PRIMER...Like 20 bucks and looks real good
Fat Hack
11-02-2003, 05:25 PM
Lots of it in rattle cans around here...that's how REAL rods are painted! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Unkl Ian
11-02-2003, 05:32 PM
I'm sure the EPA had something to do with this.Some automotive primers can be tinted to what ever color you want.
Sherwin Williams has 27 colors of Primer, several of them look like Red Oxide.
SwitchBlade327
11-02-2003, 06:31 PM
just get a red oxide lookin' base and shoot flat clear over it, it'll look the shit and protect the metal better as well.
mecutem
11-02-2003, 06:44 PM
I too prefer the red oxide look. I take ppg dp(epoxy primer) red and add a little dp black to get just the right color. Dries out a nice satin finish thats easy to clean. Takes the weather good and protects too. Just one of the many options you have. Steve
Sam F.
11-02-2003, 06:50 PM
i like the look too,i actually primered my truck red oxide for about a day,,i think it was the tone,cuz it was to brash, so i did it black.i think its cuz i used tractor enamel,,,im sure youll get better results from an actuall primer
Curly
11-02-2003, 07:05 PM
I'm going the Red Oxide treatment also...someone here has a flamed red oxide shoebox. My dad had a body shop in the early '70's and that was what he always used.
I ordered a new tailgate when I opened the box the neighbor said all ya gotta do is paint that and it'll look great. I said "What? I HAD them paint it...this is done" He went home mumblin' somethin' and shakin' his head.
Now you tell me I won't be able to match the rest of my truck to the Tailgate?
In the sea of black primer rods I wanted someting different...I used Red Oxide!
andysdeuce
11-02-2003, 07:16 PM
If I ever find a decent 30-31 A roadster body I'm gonna paint it red oxide primer. Then I'm gonna shoot a clear coat over it with some flattner in it to kill the shine. Should give a satin look and protect the body. This way you don't have to repaint it every year. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
modeltsteve
11-02-2003, 07:52 PM
Eastwood has it. That's what I used on the "Stupid Car". Chech with some marine supply houses they use it a lot.
lulabelle
11-02-2003, 08:02 PM
I'm with "T" I have the S.W. colors next to me as we speak.
SamIyam
11-03-2003, 02:57 PM
Corlar by Dupont.
Sam.
saltflataddict
11-03-2003, 03:16 PM
I have heard about and seen a copule of the new Sherman Williams colors, does anybody know what I am to ask for when looking for these? Is it just SW primer or is there a name for it?
porknbeaner
11-03-2003, 03:20 PM
Red oxide is what we used to call red lead. Yes it no longer exists to my knowledge, at least not red oxide.
You can get tinted primer, and if the paint guy is sharp he can come up with the same color. But...
mecutem has the best solution, take the DP red and tint it yourself.
I always thought jalopies were the slickest in red lead. I had a friend in Highschool that had one that he finally sprayed some clear over just because he liked it and wanted it to be his finished color. We always figured that paint wasn't finished until it was cleared. He blew the clear on real dry then told everyone his ride was finished. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
NealinCA
11-03-2003, 03:24 PM
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I have heard about and seen a copule of the new Sherman Williams colors, does anybody know what I am to ask for when looking for these? Is it just SW primer or is there a name for it?
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Here are some links to SW red oxide products...
http://www.sherwin-automotive.com/media/pds/5304.pdf
http://www.sherwin-automotive.com/media/pds/5204.pdf
The first one sounds like the one to use, as the second is lacquer.
Neal...inCA
You can still get red oxide primer from Hibernia {201-627-1882}. But there is a much better way to go if anybody is interested.PM me.--TV http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Bugman
11-03-2003, 08:02 PM
Napa Econo-body comes in red oxide. At least the Napa here has it. 'Spose I should buy some as an investment, and sell it on e-bay in 2 years for $$$? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
-Bugman Jeff
286merc
11-03-2003, 08:50 PM
Zero Rust comes in Red Oxide as well. You can put it on and it will last for years wheras regular primers are porous and moisture will get thru.
Using a flat clear over paint is not only expensive but is a problem when you need to touch up or recoat.
ZR is only $15 a qt or $45 a gallon. Solids content is way higher than anything else on the market so it goes a long way in coverage.
You want a custom color? Take white and tint, cant get any simpler. ZR is alkyd enamel based so there are lots of choices for tints.
daddylama
11-03-2003, 08:56 PM
noticed some posts about Sherwin Williams automotive paints/primers...
what's the quality like? what kinda prices?
Never sprayed anything from Sherwin, but have a rep/distributor like 2 miles from my house...
As crazy as it sounds... I used lacquer primer on my shoebox, and it's been on there for nearly three years. It's kinda getting oxidized finally (mainly on the hood and trunk) from too much UV exposure, but really, it still looks pretty presentable for the amount of time it's been on there and 30,000 miles of hard use.
The trick to getting primer to last is to keep the car in the garage as much as possible (when you're not driving it), and to flash it off again every now again with straight lacquer thinner through a gun after a good cleaning.
I can still get red oxide in lacquer in both Waco and DFW, as well as one of the PPG DP primer/sealers, and a couple other options. I don't see why Odessa would be any different.
I'm planning on re-spraying my car in the next few months, and I'll more than likely go lacquer again.
Terry
11-03-2003, 11:31 PM
Lacquar primer is exactlly what I'm looking for. As for not finding it here... well the counterman at the Dupont place is a "I know it all" type, and the PPG place hires cheap high school help that don't know a thing.
Maybe I'll have to take a trip to DFW when I'm getting close to shoot time.
I've never heard of Zero?
Toqwik
11-03-2003, 11:36 PM
Dollar General....$1.00 per can, easy touch up......Scott
hudson_hawk
11-04-2003, 10:01 AM
w/ zero rust can you paint right over it or what? is it like rustoleum?
286merc
11-04-2003, 10:50 AM
w/ zero rust can you paint right over it or what? is it like rustoleum?
Nothing like Runoleum. ZR is a true enamel based paint so it can be topcoated with just about anything once it is fully cured.
If you want a bit more gloss than the satin of dry ZR then you can add a bit of clear in with a 2nd coat as a few HAMBers have done. Im talking about ZR colors here, not red oxide which looks like shit with a gloss.
One of the guys on here did his car with both White and a Light Blue tint on a custom shoebox.
saltflataddict
11-04-2003, 12:03 PM
286merc - is there somewhere I can find a dealer here in SLC for ZR.. That sounds good, so you can tint the white ZR?
Luke Jivetalker
11-04-2003, 12:16 PM
you guys ever hear of PAINT? it's a really neat concept, after you apply the primer, you apply the PAINT, which is actually the FINISHED product, might wanna look into it
Skip
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Rocknrod
11-04-2003, 12:45 PM
ya but if ya paint it... you cant dodge waxing it!
Course if your waxing the chrome trim an hit the primer your screwed too... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
NealinCA
11-04-2003, 01:23 PM
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you guys ever hear of PAINT? it's a really neat concept, after you apply the primer, you apply the PAINT, which is actually the FINISHED product, might wanna look into it
Skip
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Yeah, I actually like that shiney stuff, but I want to drive my project before it is done. I will eventually tear it down and paint, plate, and upholster, but that isn't in the budget right now.
And I kind of like the look of this (not mine, but this is the idea)...
Luke Jivetalker
11-04-2003, 02:37 PM
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you guys ever hear of PAINT? it's a really neat concept, after you apply the primer, you apply the PAINT, which is actually the FINISHED product, might wanna look into it
Skip
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Yeah, I actually like that shiney stuff, but I want to drive my project before it is done. I will eventually tear it down and paint, plate, and upholster, but that isn't in the budget right now.
And I kind of like the look of this (not mine, but this is the idea)...
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Neal, I wasn't referring to driving your car before you paint it, I was referring to the people who think that primer IS a finish, when in fact, it's one of the steps to finishing....... no offense meant to you.
Skip
NealinCA
11-04-2003, 04:31 PM
Skip - I totally agree with what you are saying. Primer is a step in the process, not the end.
No offense taken, just pointing out that sometimes the primer phase is a desired look, and the right color is important for "the look".
Another factor that is important, is that since the primer is just a step, it should be a quality product that can be a basis for paint, not something that needs to be removed so you can do it right the second time, IMO.
Carry on...
Neal...inCA
Anybody can still get Nitro-cellulose lacquer primer, just like the old times from Hibernia...number is on my earlier post. They specialize in antique paints and primers of the old lacquer type. I sent them a paint chip from an old 32 coupe and wanted it matched....they came back and told me it was an original Ford color and shipped the lacquer to me in about a week...same for the early primer. Pretty cool, being that I live in California and can't seem to get any good paint around here.
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