Whos got the skinny on Lincoln 430's?

[Levis Classic]

I got a line on a 1960 lincoln 430 engine and traanny.

Whos got any info on these. Looking for something different for my next build - 60's style 30 Coupe! I see from some sales info on the car its 315hp stock but the 59 was a 350hp and the 58 was a 375hp! Any available hopup stuff for these?

Rebuild parts easy to find?

Thanks

[Evilfordcoupe™]

I've got a 430 out of our 64' Lincoln....

I saved it for my 30'Coupe. The parts to rebuild are expensive, like Hemi expensive and just as hard to find.
I think the combination for a 60's style hotrod is perfect. They are torque monsters.

Speed equipment is very tough to find, but once in a while there are blower manifolds on ebay.

Hope that helps.

-Jason

[Levis Classic]

I see the torque numbers were around 465 at a low 2200rpm's!

[RileyRacing]

Will 430 manifolds work on an FE ford?

Someone's gotta know!

Jay

[Henry Floored]

I believe the horse power drop is due to the lower rise intake manifold necessary to fit the engine under the `60 Lincoln hood. I saw a 6-deuce intake for one last year at the Turkey Rod Run in Daytona.

These engines are monster torque producers. In stock form they will pull an average weight hotrod with ease. Check the MEL engine forum for more details on Network 54. Search Lincoln Land in Clearwater Florida for parts and Bendsen's trans adapters for performance trans adapter applications. BTW MEL stands for Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln engine series.

Oh yeah the combustion chamber is similar to a "W" Chevy engine in that it is formed by an angle deck topped off by a cylinder head with a flat lower surface. I think you can get over 500 cubes with an offset ground 462 crank. The ports are very healthy and the valve sizes are adequate for the street. Holman & Moody had a development program for these engines in the early `60's and did quite well with them in stock cars and marine apps. Maybe they can help you as well.

[Henry Floored]

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Will 430 manifolds work on an FE ford?

Someone's gotta know!

Jay

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No they will not. The MEL engines (383,430,463) share some design characteristics with the FE's but they are just bigger overall.

To give you a thumbnail sketch of Ford's engines in those days let me summarize. There were the common small Y-blocks used in the Fords and Mercs. The Lincoln based Y-blocks that were also used in heavier trucks in the early `50's with solid lifters and different cubes. The FE engines came about in `58 as an answer to the other automakers rising displacement trends. The Ford Y-blocks had a 4.38" bore center and the FE's were 4.63". This provided alot more room for larger displacements. The MEL's are more similar to their bigger brothers the "Super Duty V8's". Both of these engine series were born in `58 as well. They both shared the common Y-block type "skirted" block construction and combustion chamber formed by a wedged cylinder mentioned earlier. Very tough and sturdy premium engine designs. Like I said the MEL's were 383,430,462 cubes and the Super Duty big truck engines were 401,477,534 cubic inches. Hope this helps.

[Gasserfreak]

Talk to unclescooby that guy knows more about those old lincoln motors than anyone ive ever meet. If I remember right he had some hop up stuff for sale in the classifieds.

[Blownolds]

I was into those engines for a while, and learned a few things. I'll post here again when I get a chance.

[unclescooby]

Sorta true...I know a little. Hop up stuff isn't all that easy to find. I've got a couple of motors now and I've got an extra Edelbrock 6x2 if you need it Brett. They make gobs of reliable power and use FE valvetrains and bellhousings but nothing else interchanges. My 35 has a 430 with a Joe Hunt magneto, U-Fab 6x2 with 6 meteor injectors, Douglas headers, an Isky cam, and a Cragar bellhousing to connect to a a T10 four speed. I think I've got another Holman Moody cam around here too and maybe a cam blank so that you can grind your own but really a stock motor is fine for nearly anything. They made tons of power but they lived in 5000 pound plus cars. Put it in your 3000 pound hot rod and it'll scoot. Let me know if I can help. I am supposed to buy two more complete 59 Lincolns next week.

[unclescooby]

I also just sold an Algon injection until for my 430 (regrettably now that I know someone who could have made it work) and I've seen some Hilborn units few and far between. Mostly just cool intakes. The 3x2's are expensive as hell though because as far as I know they only came from the factory on Mercury 383 marauders. They bring big bucks when they come up. I don't think I've even seen dual quads. Just 6x2, 8x2, blower manifolds, and injection units. Cams come around from time to time but cam blanks are nearly impossible to find. I've been trying to score an 8x2 from a guy I know but he won't come off it. It's just a wallhanger for him. There aren't many parts around but there also aren't many guys looking for them so I don't think they are all that expensive. At least mine haven't been. I'll sell that 6x2 for $100 if that tells you anything.

[Evilfordcoupe™]

unclescooby...what is this cam you are speaking of??? If no takers, I would like it. Do you have any specs on it?

Thanks!

-Jason

[unclescooby]

I don't know the specs on either the Isky in my motor (mine was built a LOOOOONG time ago) or the Holman Moody but I'll dig out the HM cam and call them to see what it is. I also know where there are one or two cam blanks for $150 or $200 each and Schneider can grind em down.

[Evilfordcoupe™]

Thank You.

-Jason

[unclescooby]

I gotta eat some crow on the 3x2 intakes. There is an aftermarket edelbrock on ebay right now and it's the first one I've seen in three years of looking at this stuff.

[Evilfordcoupe™]

You should have never told us....

HA HA HA

-Jason

[unclescooby]

It's all you. I've got all I need. Whatcha buildin Jason?

[Evilfordcoupe™]

I'm just ribbin you.

The plan is to run the 6-2 manifold and put a saginaw 4 -speed behind it.
Still interested in the cam you have.

-Jason

[unclescooby]

Cool. I need to dig that thing out and see what the hell it is. I am good with the Isky so I'll call HM monday and try to get the info to you next week.

[Blownolds]

Both Edelbrock and FoMoCo made aluminum 3x2 intakes, but I'm sure you know that by now. I believe the FoMoCo ones have the cylinder #'s cast on it, at each intake runner.

Still too tired to rack my brain on what I know about these engines-- I'll come back to it.