Dumb question, but why pre-65?

[bruceg]

I like the cars and the general feeling on the H.A.M.B. - and I really like cars from the 40's and 50's. Dumb question, though. Why is the cutoff date '64? Is it '64 and earlier, or pre-64? Is it because seatbelts became mandatory in '65? Or more gooberment meddling in the mid to late 60's?

Just asking. Still keeping my '65 Rambler sedan, and like it just the same - but wondering what factors influence the cutoff date. (of course, looking at early to mid 50's Chevy's, Fords, Olds, Buicks and Caddies - and looking at early hotrods, I kind of get the idea)

[Bettlejuice]

Muscle cars... You could get numerous fast cars from a dealer without an inkling on how to build a hard running engine.

[jaybee]

I believe it's the beginning of the musclecar eara at work here, along with some pretty dramatic differences in styling between early 60's cars and mid/late 60's and later.

[Larry T]

I believe it's the beginning of the musclecar eara at work here, ............

And Pony Cars.

[HRK-hotrods]

I'm not certain but I personally think that it is because the pony car era started right at 64-5...

[greaser57]

Pre Mustang.........................Rich

[SinisterCustom]

I like the cars and the general feeling on the H.A.M.B. - and I really like cars from the 40's and 50's. Dumb question, though. Why is the cutoff date '64? Is it '64 and earlier, or pre-64? Is it because seatbelts became mandatory in '65? Or more gooberment meddling in the mid to late 60's?



This is getting pretty old.....there is no "cutoff" on the main board....just the classifieds.;)
There are tons of threads on stuff newer than '64.....IE-threads on '60's drag racing...
Hang around, do some searching, and you'll quickly see what's "welcome" and what isn't....:D

[Gotgas]

Seat belts were mandated in cars in 1968, as were side turn signals.

[Bettlejuice]

Seat belts were mandated in cars in 1968, as were side turn signals.

On that same note, I THINK 65 was when the mandated that the front parking lights stay on with the headlights... It was also the first year Ford made door locks you could lock from the inside and then close the door instead of having to lock it with a key :mad:.

[rustynewyorker]

Not to be a dick but someone asks this about once a month, so if you were to search, you'd eventually find the answer already posted by Ryan himself.


For me, it being his board and his choice is good enough reason.

[seesko]

Back to the 50's has the same cutoff. Pre Mustang and the GTO/Muscle car thing got to rolling. (I know, GTO's are 64)

[Bruce Lancaster]

Look at the rod magazines from 1960 to 1965...a whole wad of new ways of burning rubber came along, Go Karts, minibikes, super stocks, musclecars, dune buggies... traditional rods and customs were pushed into obscurity by easier routes to motorized fun, and were of interest only to marginalized lunatics (most of them on this board...) until the somewhat different world of streetrods emerged in the '70's.

[MotoVintage]

And Pony Cars.

doesn't really make sense since the first mustangs use the pre 64 falcon chassy, with nothing much more than a different body???

I'm here to learn... I have no friends to learn from, don't know anything abought traditional hot rodding except that I like it

I agree with the comment on muscle cars and why they are in a class by themselves.

in my oppinion my '67 mustang is a traditional hot rod, maybe from a different era than most hambers, but this is the type of car a highschool kid like my self in the '70's would have bought for under $500, added a cam, intake, headers, carb, performance ignition & hogging out some ports, and there you have it, what hot rodding is all abought...earning the money working after school, doing it youself, having fun doing it, learning what works and what doesn't, then getting to blast aroung the backroads or local strip all on a budget that most builders couldn't get their car painted with

I'll add this note...vintage mustang forums pretty much suck, most of the guys are high budget billit everything EFI crate motor types, my car has no modern parts at all, even my eldebrock intake is over 35 years old, that's the way I like it and that's why I like the HAMB

[seesko]

Marketing changed alot in the early 60's. The youth Market was born. The Kennedy's were young. The Beatles, The Mustang, Muscle cars. Extra money. It was the end of the world as it was.

[jonny o]

Because the guy who built the forum said so.
I believe it was because he had a fav in the 64 or 65 era, otherwise it would be earlier. Don't quote me on that.

I believe he also set the forum up with a "questions and suggestions" page to keep these questions in one place.

[cJared3b]

I like early to mid 60's cars too, but they gotta stop somewhere.

[Marty McFly]

in my opinion my '67 mustang is a traditional hot rod..........

But you could have ordered (if you had the cash and of age then) a fast '67 Mustang from FORD new. With the 289 HiPo and 390 cu in motors and a lot of go fast stuff from the factory which makes it a muscle car whether it came with a 200 cu in 6 cyl or 289 2 barrel or whatever the availability was still there when they were new.

Look up the origin of the term HOT ROD, might help too.


Marty McFly

[James427]

After doing months of exhaustive research work, HAMB founders determined that you Bruce owned a 1965 year model automobile, so the cutoff was set at 1964.

[Mr48chev]

1965, any guy with good credit could walk into just about any major brand's showroom and drive out with a car off the lot that would run as quick or quicker than the rod or lower class gas car that guys had been busting their ass to get good times and speed out of. Be it a 66, GTO, 442, SS Chevelle, or Big block or Hemi mopars. Most of them were under 4,000 bucks out the door in 1965 dollars.

It was not only a change in the cars but a change in the attitudes of the young guys buying and racing them. Why work your ass off building a hotrod that would run 13.00's when you could buy a car off the new car dealers lot for a payment of less than 100 a month that would do the same times out of the box. five or so years later it was GI's coming back from Nam using their combat pay to buy new super cars instead of being like their dads and uncles coming back from WWII 20 something years earlier and buying an old V8 Ford and hopping it up. Now it is kids coming back from the Middle east and buying ricers or euro cars and going faster than we dreamed in the 60's
Also the early 60's cars were for the most part the last cars that guys bought and actually customized when they were new. Not by putting bolt on crap on but by making serious changes that actually improved the looks of the cars.

I can remember some of the then "older" guys buying new 59 Impala coupes and pretty well taking them straight to the body shop for custom work that often included filling in the eyes in the hood/front end and changing the grills out. By the mid 60's that was pretty well unheard of. I don't remember anyone locally buying a 65 Impala and making visual changes to it.

Auto wise there were probably more wholesale changes made on the cars of the mid 60's than in 1949 when the traditional 48/49 thing got started.

[steel rebel]

It is pre 65. That is 64 and older. I got a thread pulled on a 66 car. Didn't complain. I was an ass for starting it. The world changed in 65. Electronics. Alternators. Buy a hot rod from a dealership. If it was up to me I'd say pre. 60. But that's just me.

[Stevie Nash]

Anything after that is NOT COOL :cool:

[grits]

Because that's the way Ryan wants it!
nough said.

[Steves32]

Not so cast in stone IMO- if it's deemed traditional (especially racing), it might be allowed. Even Ryan gave the ok to the 70 Rod Shop Cuda thread & that's not pre 64.

Read awhile & you will learn.

[Geeto67]

But you could have ordered (if you had the cash and of age then) a fast '67 Mustang from FORD new. With the 289 HiPo and 390 cu in motors and a lot of go fast stuff from the factory which makes it a muscle car whether it came with a 200 cu in 6 cyl or 289 2 barrel or whatever the availability was still there when they were new.

Look up the origin of the term HOT ROD, might help too.


Marty McFly


this really isn't a good argument simply because you could always order a fast car from the factory - like a 1962 Chevy 409 2x4, or a 1963 Ford 427, or a '62 413 Dodge (all of which some say are the real origins of the muscle car era). Want a more appropriate example? how about a 1957 Fuelie Chevy, Oldsmobile J2, Ford Sunliner with the 312 interceptor.

Oh and going by the definition of Hot Rod would that mean Allards, Studillacs, v-8 corvairs, or any other small shop built conversion vehicles not be welcome?

On an interesting aside, my 1967 GTO is heavier, less powerful, and physically larger than my father's 1962 409 Chevy was.

I also think the year cutoff is kind of arbitrary since many cars are the same or similar enough on both sides of the year cutoff, but things also tend to be fluid round here from what I can tell. Got a 1966 bel air or thunderbird that has the custom sled treatment it seems to slide, got a 1966 Mustang with slapper bars, a 302, headers and a jacked up stance and nobody wants to hear from you. A lot of the sled styling treatments I see round here are later 1960's and early 1970's style designs (I am looking at you panel paint jobs) anyway but manage to sneak in because they happen to be on pre 1964 cars.

Honestly, it is like the supreme court's definition of pornography - You'll know it when you see it. Take a look around, you'll get the idea of what fits.

[zman]

blah blah blah... get over it.

[Firetop]

A. Because Ryan said so. B. Its the WWW, if you want it go find it like you found the HAMB. C. No one says you cant like them , just don't do it here.

ps.Like the man said there are exceptions and youll know when you see it.

[Steve-Cook]

I think it has something to changing from the gold standard or Vietnam or something like that either way pre 65

[bruceg]

After doing months of exhaustive research work, HAMB founders determined that you Bruce owned a 1965 year model automobile, so the cutoff was set at 1964.

I liked this answer the best! I will look for a FAQ or general questions section, and all answers were great.

About this being the WWW and start yer own - I'm sure there must be at least one other person in the world that likes underpowered, goofy looking sedans. So - off to see if underpoweredgoofylookingsedan is an available domain name. In the meantime, I'll read posts, listen and learn - and check out the Classifieds section. There is way too much cool stuff there!

Hope to run by the Driveinvasion at Starlight Six to check out the cool stuff. My anti-cool car might be there - but I'll disguise it! :D

[nico32]

Anyone think this will be debated on a HAMB like site for pre-1980 cars after the NSRA change is made??? :rolleyes::eek:

[patrick66]

On that same note, I THINK 65 was when the mandated that the front parking lights stay on with the headlights... It was also the first year Ford made door locks you could lock from the inside and then close the door instead of having to lock it with a key :mad:.

The year was 1968, not 1965. That is in the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS).

[M.Edell]

Muscle cars... You could get numerous fast cars from a dealer without an inkling on how to build a hard running engine.

So where does that leave all of the Super Stock Drag Cars? Which by the way were the absolute biggest draw in Drag racing in the 60's.

[Bettlejuice]

So where does that leave all of the Super Stock Drag Cars? Which by the way were the absolute biggest draw in Drag racing in the 60's.

How many of 'em lined up in dealer stock?

[M.Edell]

Well only the bear minimum of 100 needed to be built in order to qualify for S/S Drag Racing...But I just wanted to make sure those werent being lumped into the "Muscle Car" Batch of Brand X Chevelles,Camaros,Novas,Mustangs, etc etc...

[hotrd32]

Because it's the year I graduated from High School......:p

[turdchazer]

cause we dont like the Camaro, Firebird,Chevelle, ect. muscle car, mullet wearing, sister screwing, coors drinking interbreds around here!!!!!!

[deuces94]

Traditional guys, "BUILDING" traditional hot rods. Not buying hot rods. Cutoff in my opinion should be pre-64.

[Hooligan63]

Seat belts were mandated in cars in 1968, as were side turn signals.

Mandated since 1964.They came as an option in 1963,but not mandatory.

[deuces94]

cause we dont like the Camaro, Firebird,Chevelle, ect. muscle car, mullet wearing, sister screwing, coors drinking interbreds around here!!!!!!Shit, I screwed your sister one time and you never got over it. LOL

[PunkAssGearhead88]

Why not?

[Bettlejuice]

Shit, I screwed your sister one time and you never got over it. LOL

Dammit, that made Diet Coke come out my nose!

And nothin' beats a refreshing tall boy of Coors Original when you need beer and can only muster up $1.37. :p

[zman]

Mandated since 1964.They came as an option in 1963,but not mandatory.

Better check that again... my '65 Rambler did not come with seat belts. never had to have them.

[Retro Jim]

Ryan is the man that started the H.A.M.B. so what ever rules he wants to make is fine with me .

Now pass the popcorn & beer , it's going to be a long night !

[M.Edell]

Basically its for "Traditional Built Rods and Kustoms" There are tons of Muscle Car boards out there for the catalog rodders to hang out on and talk about their 20" Bling Wheels.

[PRoz]

Why is it the "newbs" always come and ask the same stuff?

Why is....
How much....

and I just made some popcorn. The traditional way, in a pot with oil and corn kernels.:)

[Hooligan63]

Better check that again... my '65 Rambler did not come with seat belts. never had to have them.

Come to California,instant ticket

[STEPHEN FIELDS]

they made cars after 1964?

[Hooligan63]

On that same note, I THINK 65 was when the mandated that the front parking lights stay on with the headlights... It was also the first year Ford made door locks you could lock from the inside and then close the door instead of having to lock it with a key :mad:.
Actually,my '63 Cadillac can be locked without using the key.All I have to do is push the lock down,hold the handle button in and close the door,and viola,it's locked.

[Bettlejuice]

Actually,my '63 Cadillac can be locked without using the key.All I have to do is push the lock down,hold the handle button in and close the door,and viola,it's locked.

Where do you think Ford got the idea :D... Needless to say, my Galaxie is never locked (and I thought it was just broken, LOL! I spent like 3 hours trying to "fix" it before my friends dad broke the news to me...).

Ford: Making the biggest shitbag locks for over 50 years! We build 'em to suck, and we ain't stoppin' til theres a lawsuit!

[kustomkat]

they made cars after 1964?


The best answer yet.....

[zman]

Come to California,instant ticket


no thanks... I'd rather stay in North Carolina. But if you're gonna spout off facts get them right. "By 1964, Most U.S. automobiles were sold with standard front seat belts; rear seat belts were made standard in 1968."
And that includes California. A car that did not come with them is not required to have them.

[BigBlockMopar]

why pre-65?


I think it's because www.pre66.com is already taken... :rolleyes:
(sorry, just spamming my shit a bit before this one gets locked, moved or vaporized into cyberspace)

:D

[flynbrian48]

Actually it's because cars with curved side glass look stupid with wide whites, and the way the air flow is inside the cabin of anything with them messes up a Pompadour.

[Cajun Kenny]

it is what it is!
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x290/flh4speed/do_not_question_authority.gif

[theHIGHLANDER]

No real cutoff. If there was why was there a 1969 drag racing post on the Jalopy Journal, by Ryan, last week? Wake up and read.

[porknbeaner]

I'm not certain but I personally think that it is because the pony car era started right at 64-5...

The Pony Car era actually started in the '50s with the Lowes Coupe. Pony cars were built to compete with the European Sports car market. The Corvair was actually considered to be a pony car.

Sorry to cause any consternation I did a major essay on Pony cars when I was still in school. Lots of research and kickin' a few old cows.

'64 is just a good cutoff date. Maybe it could have been '63 and a half or first mont of '65.

[Larry T]

The Pony Car era actually started in the '50s with the Lowes Coupe. Pony cars were built to compete with the European Sports car market. The Corvair was actually considered to be a pony car.

Sorry to cause any consternation I did a major essay on Pony cars when I was still in school. Lots of research and kickin' a few old cows.

'64 is just a good cutoff date. Maybe it could have been '63 and a half or first mont of '65.


So, why are they called Pony Cars? I thought the name was based on the Mustang.
As far as the 64 cutoff, Ryan didn't come up with the date out of thin air, it's a pretty standard cutoff date that has been used by lots of organizations.
Larry T

[turdchazer]

Shit, I screwed your sister one time and you never got over it. LOL
Shit !!! I wondered how she ended up with that waterheaded, tatertot eating kidlet!!!!:eek::D

[Undercover Customs]

HELLO!!!!! It has something to do with dryer sheets.
Come on get right....:D

[PRIMERDAVE]

On that same note, I THINK 65 was when the mandated that the front parking lights stay on with the headlights... It was also the first year Ford made door locks you could lock from the inside and then close the door instead of having to lock it with a key :mad:.

you might be wrong on the parking/headlight thing.....Chevy trucks parking lights turn off when headlights are on thru 66
but I would agree on the consensus of the muscle car year been 65-6 the start of a new era.....

[Undercover Customs]

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no thanks... I'd rather stay in North Carolina. But if you're gonna spout off facts get them right. "By 1964, Most U.S. automobiles were sold with standard front seat belts; rear seat belts were made standard in 1968."
And that includes California. A car that did not come with them is not required to have them.


I have 2 tickets for no seat belts, both from different states. Got em' in a 62 Nova, pulled the carpet back and showed the kind officers that there are no holes for the bolts for seat belts. Got basically the same answer from both kind officers - "the law states you are to where a seatbelt". So you can argue with the nice officer all day on mandates and what year the cutoff was and you could even change the subject of the thread and start talking about your nonstock dual exhaust that is louder than it should be. Bottum line is, if the kind officer wants to give you a ticket a ticket you will get.....

[HOT ROD DAVE]

my 64 olds has front running lights that go out when you hit the head lights

but i have to agree with everyone that the pony car era is the cutoff if i remember correctly

[Edelbroke]

I think ratrods came out in 65 so thats why nothing that new:D

[65Riviera]

I just wish there was an exception for the '65 riv (for obvious reasons). It definitely fits better in the custom category than muscle car to me (it and the '58 chebby are factory customs in my opinion). and it's pretty much the same car as the '63...

Sometimes I feel like the redheaded stepchild at car shows:D.

[zman]

I have 2 tickets for no seat belts, both from different states. Got em' in a 62 Nova, pulled the carpet back and showed the kind officers that there are no holes for the bolts for seat belts. Got basically the same answer from both kind officers - "the law states you are to where a seatbelt". So you can argue with the nice officer all day on mandates and what year the cutoff was and you could even change the subject of the thread and start talking about your nonstock dual exhaust that is louder than it should be. Bottum line is, if the kind officer wants to give you a ticket a ticket you will get.....

...and if you're to stupid to go to court and show them that they are wrong then you deserve to pay the ticket. :eek: Been there done that. 1/2 the cops out there do not know the law. And it's sad to see that our educational system has failed us again. It's wear not where... :rolleyes:

[Undercover Customs]

...and if you're to stupid to go to court and show them that they are wrong then you deserve to pay the ticket. :eek: Been there done that. 1/2 the cops out there do not know the law. And it's sad to see that our educational system has failed us again. It's wear not where... :rolleyes:

WOW - The quotes that I quoted mentioned nothing about going to court did they?????? They were about getting a ticket for no seat belt.

So Mr. Perfect - I did go to court and had to show the judge the car and prove that it did not come with seat belts.

Are you always such a hateful individual or did someone just urinate in your wheaties this week????

[Troyz]

Obama is going to put together a department for regulating the HAMB. So please address your 1965-to present concerns to:
1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Washington, DC 20500
(202) 456-1111

[SinisterCustom]

Seat belts were mandated in cars in 1968, as were side turn signals.

Turn signals weren't, SIDE marker lights were.......:D

On that same note, I THINK 65 was when the mandated that the front parking lights stay on with the headlights... It was also the first year Ford made door locks you could lock from the inside and then close the door instead of having to lock it with a key :mad:.

Nope.......my '68 park lights turn off when headlights come on.:p And I like that fact that you have to lock the doors with the key on my '68, keeps me and others who drive it from locking the keys in it....hahaha!!!

[Bettlejuice]

Nope.......my '68 park lights turn off when headlights come on.:p And I like that fact that you have to lock the doors with the key on my '68, keeps me and others who drive it from locking the keys in it....hahaha!!!

That parking light thing is another one I learned the "hard" way... I put an EZ Wiring harness in my Galaxie. I planned the HELL outta this thing, had its manual, the Galaxie schematics, all my aftermarket gear instructions, and even listed out the new custom stuff I would be doing and how it needed to be done. Sat down and had it all figured out, TO A TEE. Finished the project in the dead of winter at 2 AM, backed the car out to test everything, and then noticed the parking light thing. I remember, literally, standing there getting snowed on in a t-shirt, cold as hell, and screamin' "AW, what the fuck?!" My head was about to explode, and I wanted to kick in the damn things (at that point I probably woulda too, but I just put a brand-new set of lenses on 'em! :cool:). I was tracin' wires under the car, soakin' wet, then thought "huh. It's gotta be a bad switch, the wires are RIGHT!" Then I found out the truth. And felt very silly.:p

I'd worry too much about my locks to lock 'em, it takes entirely too much effort to get the key "just right" to work... Worthless damn Ford locks...

[Van Dutch]

I thought it's because 1964 is the year John DeLorean and Lee Ioaccoca had a demon love child.

[zman]

WOW - The quotes that I quoted mentioned nothing about going to court did they?????? They were about getting a ticket for no seat belt.

So Mr. Perfect - I did go to court and had to show the judge the car and prove that it did not come with seat belts.

Are you always such a hateful individual or did someone just urinate in your wheaties this week????

The why didn't you say "I went to court and they threw it out", that the cop was wrong? Instead you made it sound like you got nailed for something that isn't wrong. Not being hateful, but leaving out that bit of info wether intentional or not changes things.

Welcome to the internet. If you think that's hateful you need to grow a pair and some thicker skin. :eek:

Obama is going to put together a department for regulating the HAMB. So please address your 1965-to present concerns to:
1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Washington, DC 20500
(202) 456-1111

Bullshit political post. ^^^

[triplexkustoms]

That parking light thing is another one I learned the "hard" way... I put an EZ Wiring harness in my Galaxie. I planned the HELL outta this thing, had its manual, the Galaxie schematics, all my aftermarket gear instructions, and even listed out the new custom stuff I would be doing and how it needed to be done. Sat down and had it all figured out, TO A TEE. Finished the project in the dead of winter at 2 AM, backed the car out to test everything, and then noticed the parking light thing. I remember, literally, standing there getting snowed on in a t-shirt, cold as hell, and screamin' "AW, what the fuck?!" My head was about to explode, and I wanted to kick in the damn things (at that point I probably woulda too, but I just put a brand-new set of lenses on 'em! :cool:). I was tracin' wires under the car, soakin' wet, then thought "huh. It's gotta be a bad switch, the wires are RIGHT!" Then I found out the truth. And felt very silly.:p

I'd worry too much about my locks to lock 'em, it takes entirely too much effort to get the key "just right" to work... Worthless damn Ford locks...


My boss and I were trying to figure this out on my Galaxie the other night, we got lucky at about 5 minutes in one of our "old guys" stopped by and told us.

[Marty McFly]

Unsafe at Any Speed: The Designed-In Dangers of the American Automobile by Ralph Nader (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Nader), published in 1965 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1965)

^---The end of designed automobiles, and the beginning of the make it safe and environmentally friendly shit storm we currently are living with.

this really isn't a good argument..........

My response was to the '67 Mustang mentioned, not to the entire "muscle car" definition FNG.


Marty McF.

[Undercover Customs]

[QUOTE=zman;4030403]The why didn't you say "I went to court and they threw it out", that the cop was wrong? Instead you made it sound like you got nailed for something that isn't wrong. Not being hateful, but leaving out that bit of info wether intentional or not changes things.

Welcome to the internet. If you think that's hateful you need to grow a pair and some thicker skin. :eek:

OK grammer sarge -
Been on the internet a long time. Has nothing to do with what I think. I knew that if I threw something back at you that you might take personal, you probably would. This causes mistakes and you made two. So, is it that you are product of the same education system that you so proudly knocked or are you man enough to admit you are capable of making a mistake don't need to be so f-ing judgemental?????

BTW I didn't make it sound like anything. What you ASSUMED you read is WRONG. The guy I quoted stated " if you come to California you'll a ticket for it" How about land blasting him for not finishing the story pal.

[zman]

BTW I didn't make it sound like anything. What you ASSUMED you read is WRONG. The guy I quoted stated " if you come to California you'll a ticket for it" How about land blasting him for not finishing the story pal.

Nope I quoted you, not someone you quoted. Guess you didn't get that part, see below. I did not assume. As for the missing "n", so sorry. The "wether" comment well I was talking about a castrated goat. :D Oh and you spelled bottom wrong as well so we're even on that. :rolleyes:

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I have 2 tickets for no seat belts, both from different states. Got em' in a 62 Nova, pulled the carpet back and showed the kind officers that there are no holes for the bolts for seat belts. Got basically the same answer from both kind officers - "the law states you are to where a seatbelt". So you can argue with the nice officer all day on mandates and what year the cutoff was and you could even change the subject of the thread and start talking about your nonstock dual exhaust that is louder than it should be. Bottum line is, if the kind officer wants to give you a ticket a ticket you will get.....

[Undercover Customs]

Nope I quoted you, not someone you quoted. Guess you didn't get that part, see below. I did not assume. As for the missing "n", so sorry. The "wether" comment well I was talking about a castrated goat. :D Oh and you spelled bottom wrong as well so we're even on that. :rolleyes:


Exactly inspector obvious. So where is it in my statement that a say or lead you to believe that I didn't go to court?

Originally Posted by Undercover Customs http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/hamb/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4029889#post4029889)
Quote:
I have 2 tickets for no seat belts, both from different states. Got em' in a 62 Nova, pulled the carpet back and showed the kind officers that there are no holes for the bolts for seat belts. Got basically the same answer from both kind officers - "the law states you are to where a seatbelt". So you can argue with the nice officer all day on mandates and what year the cutoff was and you could even change the subject of the thread and start talking about your nonstock dual exhaust that is louder than it should be. Bottum line is, if the kind officer wants to give you a ticket a ticket you will get.....

[silent rick]

don't make me stop the car you two!!!

[5window]

Exactly inspector obvious. So where is it in my statement that a say or lead you to believe that I didn't go to court?



"Exactly,Inspector Obvious.So,where is it in my statement that says, or leads you to believe,that I didn't go to court? ????:D

[5window]

Not to be a dick but someone asks this about once a month, so if you were to search, you'd eventually find the answer already posted by Ryan himself.


For me, it being his board and his choice is good enough reason.
That is a very traditional answer.

[metalshapes]

don't make me stop the car you two!!!


That is funny! :) :)


As for the Cut Off Date,

Do a Search for " Cut Off Date"....