Are moderators taking a harder line----

[brianangus]

No, not trying to start flame wars, nor to question the decisions of moderators. It seems to me that more threads are being locked or closed, or outright deleted now than a year or two ago. I see that the fellow who was hotrodding a Volkswagen has had his thread locked. I started a thread about adding disc brakes to my roadster pickup a week or two ago and it was locked, then a second thread was deleted.
I realize that the mantra of this forum is "Traditional--Traditional--Traditional". I also realize that Volkswagens (even though they have been around since 1957 or so) are not traditional "hotrods". Disc brakes???---Well, they have been around for 50 years.
I think that the majority of rodders use a number of "Traditional" approaches when building their rods, but many employ some elements that are not "traditional".
Some of the purists who hang out on this forum decry anything newer than 1956 being used on rods.
What exactly is it thats causing the threads to be closed?--The content of the posts, or the fighting and namecalling that pops up as soon as someone takes an approach that others see as non traditional.
In my opinion, the HAMB is and has been the best hot-rod oriented site available on the internet. It would be a terrible shame if all the rodders who have cars that in some way offend the "Traditional Police" are forced to become "lurkers" only, and not add anything to this forum.
Lets hear some opinions from the other regular posters on the HAMB.
Maybe I'm just paranoid!!!

[60'shotrod]

The VolksWagen thread was from 2006, I think people are just loosing sight a tad of what this place is about and maybe some of the newer members aren't reading the rules before they post a thread?No you're not paranoid, just voicing your thoughts which is a GOOD thing!Hope I'm regular to give you my thoughts on the matter!:D

Nick.

[adjustablejohnsons]

I think the mods do a good job. They will never be able to please everyone. Some threads start off on topic and with good intentions, but veer off course due to some drama being injected. They end up locked or deleted. Shit happens.

[mpls|cafe|racer]

Could be worse, we could have a specific moderator like on the jockey journal that will delete your thread about a paint color just because you used a japanese headlight bucket as a test piece. :rollseyes:

[1950ChevySuburban]

Can't be easy keeping the same direction while growing at a record pace. I don't envy the job, but I certainly respect and appreciate it!

[56don]

As far as "traditional" goes,I think if you are doing something dangerous then tradition be damned.A lot of these dangerous "RR"(cant say the name) style rods may be traditional but they are dangerous.I personally don't want to drive a car without disc brakes.I grew up bending the steering wheel by pulling on it hard while standing on the brakes trying to stop a drum brake car.I hate drum brakes.So I think brake threads should not be locked or deleted.If a thread doesn't get too far off topic then I see no reason to delete it.I see a lot of stupid threads go on and on about crap that has nothing to do with rods and customs.Some guys think this is twitter and stay on here all day telling everyone about how his day is going.My 2 cents.........

[NITROFC]

http://www.emerchandise.com/images/p/AGS/pzMPAGS0002.jpg

[skyrodder]

I think the mods do a good job. They will never be able to please everyone. Some threads start off on topic and with good intentions, but veer off course due to some drama being injected. They end up locked or deleted. Shit happens.

what he said

[Mr Haney]

dont you get flamed with my response then..... here you go ! !

I recently attended a show where best " HOT ROD " went to a red flamed street rod. The car was dripping with billit ! ! musta ran the guy 80k plus to build. he trailered it in from 20 miles away, thing ran like shit as he was loading it back on trailer.

not like there werent any traditional hot rods at this event, there were several real hot rods present. Just goes to show you, people just dont get it ! ! ! this hobby has become soooooooooo deluted nobody knows what time it is anymore.

the moderators are simply trying to keep it true. I wouldnt want that job because, like taking a flying "FUCK" at a rolling doughnut ! !

peace out

[PASTDUEBILL]

I think it's the drama more than content. I'ts the name calling.
I had to agree with z-man, about the bug. It was interesting for the quality and originality, but I would not call it traditional. It's like TV though. If you don't like what you are watching just change the channel.

[Rich Rogers]

I recently had a response to a thread deleted and didn't know or question why.
All that aside I think they do a good job of keeping track with all that happens here and manage to weed out the crap that doesn't belong or shouldn't be here

[Ranunculous]

I see Ryan and Metalshapes names at the bottom of the page and recently recieved a reply from "JalopyJournal" (nonreturnable) after I posed a question.
They're doing a great,free service for me.
Thank you!

I just don't understand why our fellow members enter non hot rod posts on here when there are sister forums or gasp,other places that can accommodate them?
Why do we come here in the first place?
Apples and oranges seperation.
Just my opinion...

[recardo]

...I recently attended a show where best " HOT ROD " went to a red flamed street rod...

Who cares.

[Killer]

Traditional Hot Rods And Kustoms

why is that so hard to grasp?

If you wanna run disc brakes, radial tires, ac, billet wheels, etc. on yer pile, knock yourself out! Theres PLENTY of other message boards that'll pat ya on the back for it!

Now if you want to ask the OT question here, be ready for some shit slingin.. as long as the assholes stay away, you'll probably get your answer....

Im gonna say the fighting and name calling is what gets 90% of shit closed... The other 10% is because Ryan is a nazi... ask Germ. ;)

[chevy3755]

i agree with Brian.........

[adjustablejohnsons]

It could be much worse. There are forums with robot censors. The software that runs HAMB could be configured so the if you posted

"Dick buttwelded the bracket next to the petcock"

....it would read

"Bleep bleepwelded the bracket next to the petbleep."

[gary terhaar]

If you try to please everyone,Nobody will like it. Keep up the good work mods.

[chevyshack]

Traditional Hot Rods And Kustoms

why is that so hard to grasp?

If you wanna run disc brakes, radial tires, ac, billet wheels, etc. on yer pile, knock yourself out! Theres PLENTY of other message boards that'll pat ya on the back for it!

I had a post deleted by asking this question. Matter fact 2 within 10 minutes like someone doesnt like me. I just wanted to know if someone new of other sites i might fit in alittle more. Im non-traditional but this is the only site that comes close to informative to my car.

[GassersGarage]

I belong to several sites and post topics accordingly so as not to cause drama. That said, the Hamb is my favorite.

[Ranunculous]

Consider the thread with over 12,300 views of a subject with no physical connection to traditional hot rods or kustoms on here that's still open?
Like comparing a moose to a dairy cow,what's the connection?
That's a quirk..

[Glen]

I would like to see more closed. If you have to ask "should I buy a Harbor Freight Tig welder" it should get closed.
Most of the responses to technical questions are from people who probably should not be giving technical advice.

I work in the shop every day....I think I play with some pretty cool stuff, but I doubt it would be appreciated by this board so I dont post it. If you look at the "welcome" page it says....
"1. If in doubt, don’t post it"

[Ron Mayes]

Traditional is what i'm here for............No disc brakes or air bag's.. layin fuckin frame & 20's ,Dubs.. and don't try and lay that shit off on me as traditional .30's 40's 50's maybe mid 60's.. if your not into it your on the wrong fuckin board . :D:rolleyes:

[Tiny]

I think they do a good job, but there are favored members for sure. Post negative feedback about one of the choosen ones and your post will disappear. I know I have had it happen. If billet has no place then why haven't half the Santa Maria pics been deleted. Looks like that show is turning into a billet fluff mobile fest or at least thats what it looks like after looking at the pics

[plodge55aqua]

I myself have had a thread removed.. and I was in the wrong.. after reading the rules.. I understood.. I think from what I have seen removed in the short time I have been here ,, they have Been doing something thats would be hard for any of us to do..
Dramas for Soaps.. not for a Hamb site..

I would of like to see a complete thread though on the Straight axle set up , a How too.. would have been nice.. Im not as knowledgable as most are here..

[brianangus]

I've been playing on the forums for the last 5 years. I like the HAMB because its not ran by Gold chainers with plastic rods, nor by stuffy old men with "Concourse" automobiles. I try and give good technical advice, and based on the private messages of appreciation that I get, and the general response to my "How to" posts, I think my articles are mostly appreciated. For those who choose to run drum brakes, (and that includes me for the last 5 years) well, more power to ya!!!

[draggin breath]

Without some self control this hobby will kill itself and we'll have to drive streetrods with NSRA inspections. This site has a lot of traditional cars approaching rat rods standards. BRAKES,we all need 4 of them.

[patrick66]

Never have figured out why someone would build a car without front brakes! If you are going to DRIVE it on the street, put four damned brakes on the thing! That's "traditional"??? No front brakes is STUPID! Put drums or discs on it - just put BRAKES on it!

[Crease]

Traditional Hot Rods And Kustoms

why is that so hard to grasp?

If you wanna run disc brakes, radial tires, ac, billet wheels, etc. on yer pile, knock yourself out! Theres PLENTY of other message boards that'll pat ya on the back for it!



I am thinkin the line between acceptable and not so acceptable has shifted as more folks have hopped on the board. I'm not the most hardcore of folks on here, but still find it odd that people proudly discuss radials, disc brakes and trailering cars that run. If anything, things are less strict than they once were. With that said, I still love this board.

[cuznbrucie]

My $0.02 is that the mods generally do a good job of keeping the place relatively on topic.........but I have seen way too many threads about Novas, Chevy C-10 pickups and many other completely wrong cars for here.........

What the hell is *traditional* about surface rust covered '54 Chevy four doors with no modifications at all? Stuff like that just annoys me to death......they are neither rods not kustoms and certainly not traditional.......

Apparently I have officially entered *Old Fartdom* when I see some of the complete junk that guys post on here as their *new rides*..........ratty, rusty, unsafe and just plain ugly old cars........nothing that would have been considered a rod or kustom in any era........just an ugly old car........there must be some other place where these guys can find like minded folks.......

Maybe I ought to keep my mouth shut, but I am also awfully tired of the *my buddy died* posts, the my dog died posts, and a lot of other wayyyyy off topic stuff.....

But that's me........flame away....

CB

[junkyardjeff]

I think this forum needs a off topic area so we can have a place to discuss other things that are not related to cars,this is the only forum I hang out on that does not have that area. Having a off topic area does not distract from the site on others so it should not here.

[pasadenahotrod]

To set the record straight the classic VW "BUG" has been around since the '30s in Nazi Germany as the People's(Volks) Car(Wagen) and was first commercially imported to the US in 1948-49.
Now, I don't consider them as Trad hotrods at all but they are a part of the era.

[junkyardjeff]

A section for garage related topics could help things out some too.

[Ranunculous]

Valid points cuznbrucie,
One of the nicest and most respectful recent additions I've seen to the HAMB is the addition of the link to the HAMB Chapel.
We're all wired differently religiously and spiritually and I think the availibility of that place for our fellow members to post and reflect on those they've lost or are concerned about is great.
Not all of us know the concerns of others and if someone wants to show their respect for their concerned or lost,the HAMB Chapel would be an excellent place?

[Mr Haney]

Who cares.

obviously you dont ! ! ! keep on diluting the hobby ! ! will need to dig up a time capsule to find out what a real hot rod is , future.

THANK GOD some still do get it...........go kiss a duck marblehead ! !

[36-3window]

i try to give good advice if i can , as Brian suggested. and as crusingbrucie said , there are some threads i get tired of. i think only maybe 2-3 threads of mine have been closed?

the some old POS body swap on a S-10 chassis really gets me going..sometimes i respond with a shitty answer, most times i hold my tongue..unless i'm drunk and then you never what i will say

but i always try to keep in mind the fact i'm not a moderator and this site doesn't belong to me....i'm just a guest ,so it's not up to me and i don't get to decide

[49ratfink]

once in a while I'll go through and look for closed threads just to see what it was. the main theme seems to be drama.

one thing I'd like to see if the mods are watching is to delete classified threads for sold items rather than just closing them. I get PM's for stuff I listed that's been gone for a year even though the thread is closed since they still come up in search.

[HellRaiser]

Apparently I have officially entered *Old Fartdom* when I see some of the complete junk that guys post on here as their *new rides*..........ratty, rusty, unsafe and just plain ugly old cars........nothing that would have been considered a rod or kustom in any era........just an ugly old car........there must be some other place where these guys can find like minded folks.......

Maybe I ought to keep my mouth shut, but I am also awfully tired of the *my buddy died* posts, the my dog died posts, and a lot of other wayyyyy off topic stuff.....

CB

MY kind of guy...We've got to stick together CB:cool:


HellRaiser

[52pickup]

obviously you dont ! ! ! keep on diluting the hobby ! ! will need to dig up a time capsule to find out what a real hot rod is , future.

THANK GOD some still do get it...........go kiss a duck marblehead ! !


And THAT, kids, is the crap that gets a thread closed 9 times out of 10

[fiftyv8]

I've had threads locked and deleted and while I accept this as part of this forum, it would be nice to know why thess decisions was made.

It seems sometimes, that it is not the actual thread that is the issue, but the comments or posts.

So why shit can a thread for comments made by others as it seems the person posting needs to be given a time out or similar.

Then there was the thread about defining Traditional which got shut down, well to me that smells especially since this is a traditional forum and you are not prepared for your members to have a say on how they see things.

I say you can't have it both ways.
The other side of the coin is that healthy discussion never hurt anybody and I am sure that the Traditional guys way back then would not have been happy holding back, after all that is how we have gotten to this point surely.
Back in the old days Traditional was being out there!!!
Not being stiffled!

And as for the O/T stuff on here if we are such purist how does that all get by?

Long live the HAMB.

[racingonerobb]

This forum belongs to Ryan & moderators, they set the rules!! Don't like it leave!! My interests lie in many different style, I try to stick with the topic at hand or maybe what I think is a funny remark. If I think it fits OK. Comming here with off topic posts is like an atheist going to church and trying to tell them to chuck their beliefs!! As someone said I come for the cars and info, not the obits, pets, or aniversaries!!

[Revhead]

Traditional is what i'm here for............No disc brakes or air bag's.. layin fuckin frame & 20's ,Dubs.. and don't try and lay that shit off on me as traditional .30's 40's 50's maybe mid 60's.. if your not into it your on the wrong fuckin board . :D:rolleyes:

I agree with you to a point.

I'm sick of the "laying frame" crap. The pickups with wheels about to pop out of the hood and other lowrider / minitruck crap done with an old truck so therefore it is "traditional"

On the other hand.. I don't want to be on a board where I can only use flathead screws and rivets, cause phllips heads are not trad enough. Have to take all my photos in black and white and can't use any repop parts cause of metallurgy differences that aren't trad enough.

Moderators have to pick and choose. It is too hard to define exactly what is or isn't kosher, so it is just something you have to overlook to enjoy the rest of the board.

[Von Franco]

When I first saw this thread I thought it was a new Carburetor or A bubble top car or
never mind I see it's just another OT bullshit post....................

[Ranunculous]

Opinions are like auctions,sometimes you see something to bid on,sometimes you go for a hot dog and avoid the item...

[brianangus]

Von Franco I don't think its "off topic" and its not intended as "bullshit". Its the people who post, and the subjects they post about that make the HAMB. My intention is to figure out how to do good technical posts that help the average rodder accomplish something to make his car better/quicker/safer/nicer.--And not get flamed and have the posts closed.

[High Class Rat]

Well said Fiftyv8. My complaint is that certain persons on here think that it is their responsibility to police postings. That should strictly be the job of the Mods, not self appointed individuals who enjoy the forum like everyone else does. I too notice that certain people get away with things others don't. Also, traditional needs to be defined by the Mods, since that is such an issue. I think that this form is a good opportunity to gain knowlege and friendship, so if someone goes slightly off-topic, I can live with that.

[Von Franco]

Thin post something technical,or about fixing cars ,but your just asking for opinions
and that was mine..........................

[earl schieb]

Franco for President! :cool:

[Truckedup]

I like Ryan cause he doesn't kiss Jesse James ass. My 64 El Camino isn't exactly what most guys here call traditional.But old car bodies on S10 frames is accepted,many page thread on it.
Read what ya like,don't read what ya don't like,let the site owner and his moderators do what they do.

[J. Cougar]

I don't think they delete enough.

[spiderdeville]

bugs are hot rods in potsdam e germany

[fuel pump]

When I first saw this thread I thought it was a new Carburetor or A bubble top car or
never mind I see it's just another OT bullshit post....................

now that's funny ..... and true. too much drama.

[Weasel]

I must be delusional - I thought Joe Milan's and Kinmont's disc brakes were Holy Grail ultra traditional - obviously I'm wrong....:rolleyes: So if I post a thread on this subject it will get deleted, no????:confused:

[zman]

I think this forum needs a off topic area so we can have a place to discuss other things that are not related to cars,this is the only forum I hang out on that does not have that area. Having a off topic area does not distract from the site on others so it should not here.

I wouldn't want to pay the bandwidth bill for it...

[Mazooma1]

here a good example of one to bounce out of here
sheesh....

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=364887

[Ranunculous]

Check out the "Free Parking" section of the Garage Journal...everything there.

[Von Rigg Fink]

here a good example of one to bounce out of here
sheesh....

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=364887


:ooops i just resopned to that one:D

this thread should go too..its stupid

fuck...i just posted on this one too..im going back out in the shop this internet thing just isnt for me today

[Homespun91]

Can't be taking THAT hard of a line...this thread's been up for 3 1/2 hours & hasn't been moved to the "Questions & Suggestions forum" as of 6:01pm....which is probably where it's supposed to be, I think...:)

[HotRod33]

Well said Fiftyv8. My complaint is that certain persons on here think that it is their responsibility to police postings. That should strictly be the job of the Mods, not self appointed individuals who enjoy the forum like everyone else does. I too notice that certain people get away with things others don't. Also, traditional needs to be defined by the Mods, since that is such an issue. I think that this form is a good opportunity to gain knowlege and friendship, so if someone goes slightly off-topic, I can live with that.
I agree with High Class Rat, let the mods do there job everybody else should just enjoy the site....

[Jay Rush]

A section for garage related topics could help things out some too.
http://www.garagejournal.com/



I smell a tech week coming

[Jeff Norwell]

Can't be taking THAT hard of a line...this thread's been up for 3 1/2 hours & hasn't been moved to the "Questions & Suggestions forum" as of 6:01pm....which is probably where it's supposed to be, I think...:)

Your so right!:)

[Albie]

If the HAMB is so traditional why is Bonspeed an Alliance vendor? Love this site though.

[X38]

My $0.02 is that the mods generally do a good job of keeping the place relatively on topic.........but I have seen way too many threads about Novas, Chevy C-10 pickups and many other completely wrong cars for here.........

What the hell is *traditional* about surface rust covered '54 Chevy four doors with no modifications at all? Stuff like that just annoys me to death......they are neither rods not kustoms and certainly not traditional.......

Apparently I have officially entered *Old Fartdom* when I see some of the complete junk that guys post on here as their *new rides*..........ratty, rusty, unsafe and just plain ugly old cars........nothing that would have been considered a rod or kustom in any era........just an ugly old car........there must be some other place where these guys can find like minded folks.......

Maybe I ought to keep my mouth shut, but I am also awfully tired of the *my buddy died* posts, the my dog died posts, and a lot of other wayyyyy off topic stuff.....

But that's me........flame away....

CB

Thanks Bruce, you're speaking for me as well.

[Weeks46]

I wish we could ask :DGERM :eek:but he has disappeared off the board. That guy was awesome and one of the reasons why I waited (lurker from 2002-2008) until I shitcanned the VW (poor-boys hotrod) scene and got what my dream always was; a Model A to build up along the traditional lines within the HAMB gods liking :D.-Weeks

Traditional Hot Rods And Kustoms

why is that so hard to grasp?

If you wanna run disc brakes, radial tires, ac, billet wheels, etc. on yer pile, knock yourself out! Theres PLENTY of other message boards that'll pat ya on the back for it!

Now if you want to ask the OT question here, be ready for some shit slingin.. as long as the assholes stay away, you'll probably get your answer....

Im gonna say the fighting and name calling is what gets 90% of shit closed... The other 10% is because Ryan is a nazi... ask Germ. ;)

[tommy]

Are moderators taking a harder line----

I sure hope so.


I had a classified pulled once. It was for a hot rodded 76 Chevy wagon. Too new for the rules. I just wasn't thinking. I was embarrassed as hell. It never occurred to me to bitch about the rules.

[Ryan]

Hey fellas... So sorry I've been slow to the jump last few days. I'm out of town for a family deal and have had to be off the site quite a bit as a result.

In any case, yeah... We have been hard asses the last couple of weeks. Typically, I don't think Brian's post on disc brakes would have been deleted. It's just that we've had more "street rod" posts as of late and we don't want the site to lean that way. And as a result, we decided to be a little strict against both contemporary and "rat rod" posts the last couple of weeks or so. It's purely an editorial decision and certainly not aimed at anyone personally.

I realize our system isn't perfect, but we honestly do the best we can.

Tech week coming soon. :)

[SanDiegoJoe]

tech week coming soon. :)

kick ass.

[autobilly]

Are moderators taking a harder line----
I sure hope so...
Love it or leave it!
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44274

[seesko]

A tempest in a tea cup:rolleyes:

[39 All Ford]

212,000 threads.....

3.2 Million posts...

If a few get deleted I have to think it doesn't matter all that much... still plenty of reading about TRADITIONAL rods and customs, plus some other stuff...

There is no crying in Hot Rodding... :D

[JESSEJAMES]

I like Ryan cause he doesn't kiss Jesse James ass. My 64 El Camino isn't exactly what most guys here call traditional.But old car bodies on S10 frames is accepted,many page thread on it.
Read what ya like,don't read what ya don't like,let the site owner and his moderators do what they do.


Ryan may not kiss my ass, But he will definatly Lick My Nut Sack!

It's way more satisfying for him...


http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n302/FTW1969/CDOGS12.jpg

[X38]

A tempest in a tea cup:rolleyes:

No, not really. The history of the HAMB is one of not tolerating O/T subject matter. It's what makes it such a great site. Otherwise it would end up like every other street rod site and this place is not for street rods or come one come all attitudes.

[Rocky]

one thing I'd like to see if the mods are watching is to delete classified threads for sold items rather than just closing them. I get PM's for stuff I listed that's been gone for a year even though the thread is closed since they still come up in search.[/QUOTE]
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You can delete your own ad by going to the bottom/right and hitting the "edit" button....this gives you a menu and "delete" is an option. Hope this helps..
Rocky
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[cuznbrucie]

Hey fellas... So sorry I've been slow to the jump last few days. I'm out of town for a family deal and have had to be off the site quite a bit as a result.

In any case, yeah... We have been hard asses the last couple of weeks. Typically, I don't think Brian's post on disc brakes would have been deleted. It's just that we've had more "street rod" posts as of late and we don't want the site to lean that way. And as a result, we decided to be a little strict against both contemporary and "rat rod" posts the last couple of weeks or so. It's purely an editorial decision and certainly not aimed at anyone personally.

I realize our system isn't perfect, but we honestly do the best we can.

Tech week coming soon. :)

"And as a result, we decided to be a little strict against both contemporary and "rat rod" posts the last couple of weeks or so. It's purely an editorial decision and certainly not aimed at anyone personally."

I,personally, am all for your tightening up on the kind of threads that you reference above........in fact, I wish you'd be even more strict when it comes to such off topic stuff........keep up the good work!

CB

[Lunatic]

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[fiftyv8]

I get kinder tired of reading off topic stuff about " I lost my job" or the "cat had kittens" but they never seem to get canned.

Maybe we need a dribble section!

[1950ChevySuburban]

Its a tough call sometimes, posting OT stuff.
I'll tell you what though, when I posted my brain tumour thread last fall, the support I got from the folks on the HAMB was by far the most important and meaningful support ever.
I certainly appreciate the support on other threads I've inquired in - fuel tank location, 32 vs model A frame for my Sedan, filling in my roof, etc...

Anytime a group of decent folks get together, you're gonna get some good old OT support when needed.

As far as OT car posts, we've pretty much had plenty and drawing the line can get blurry.

I knew my recent post regarding my ac/ charging issue was OT, which is why I dealt with it on my own for months before asking. Why?
1) it involves Air Conditioning
2) it involves an alternator, not a generator
3) its an import alternator

[Ryan]

I get kinder tired of reading off topic stuff about " I lost my job" or the "cat had kittens" but they never seem to get canned.

Maybe we need a dribble section!

Actually, they almost always do... I also noticed you've never reported a post - why?

[Dreddybear]

Yay Tech Week!

[metalshapes]

I get kinder tired of reading off topic stuff about " I lost my job" or the "cat had kittens" but they never seem to get canned.

Maybe we need a dribble section!

Its not easy to pull the plug on a Thread of a Person that is going through a really hard time.

Like the Lost My Job Threads, or a Death in the Family, or things like that.

But, sometimes ( most of the time ) it still has to be done, so we do it.


On the other hand...
Somebody who is One-Eighthundry-fying his Hot Rod, and Posts a Thread to complain about the cost of his Catalog parts,
Thats real easy.

This is not a Street Rod Site.
Or a Rat Rod Site, for that matter...

[silent rick]

thanks guys, you're doing a great job.

[296 V8]

Yes good job going on, cant be easy sifting threw all the crap.

Ryan
On the report button thing.
I can only speak for myself but sometimes the old hoodlum in me makes it hard to push the tattletale button. Being the principal? dude here, don’t know if you can relate.

[X38]

I knew my recent post regarding my ac/ charging issue was OT, which is why I dealt with it on my own for months before asking. Why?
1) it involves Air Conditioning
2) it involves an alternator, not a generator
3) its an import alternator

Sounds like you at least have a sense of humor as well as other good attributes!

[NITROFC]

I am guilty as charged ....

[seesko]

No, not really. The history of the HAMB is one of not tolerating O/T subject matter. It's what makes it such a great site. Otherwise it would end up like every other street rod site and this place is not for street rods or come one come all attitudes.

I get all that. I understand keeping the "race" pure.;) It's kind of like being Amish:D. I respect and admire the "Mission Statment". I think this is a great forum once a person gets it.:)
I love Hot Rods and old cars as much as anyone
but the grand scheme of things it just isn't that big of a deal. :eek: I think some of the spritually minded HAMBers would agree. :)

[metalshapes]

but the grand scheme of things it just isn't that big of a deal.

Yes, it is a big deal.

Because every O/T Thread pushes a good Relevant On Topic Thread one more slot down the Pages.

[seesko]

Yes, it is a big deal.

Because every O/T Thread pushes a good Relevant On Topic Thread one more slot down the Pages.

gee yer right

[brianangus]

Allright. I don't really get it. I thought that "disc brakes" were considerably more "On topic" than a lot of what I see here.---Lesson learned. I will do my step by step post on replacing 1940 drum brakes with a disc brake kit on one of the other forums that I post on. Any body who is irrational enough to actually want to see this will have to go to one of the "other" rod sites I post on to see it. For those of you who insist that drum brakes are the only way to go---All I can say is "Happy Stopping"----Brian

[adjustablejohnsons]

Get over yer self dude

Yeah, Metalshapes..you're just a moderator who's been around since 2002. Listen to the dude who's been here all of 4 months. He's got it all figured out.

[metalshapes]

I think this is a great forum once a person gets it.:)


And hopefully, someday, you will...

[metalshapes]

Yeah, Metalshapes..you're just a moderator who's been around since 2002. Listen to the dude who's been here all of 4 months. He's got it all figured out.


Oops... Sorry.:D

I'll do better next time. :) :)

[seesko]

:(
ya done hurt ma feelins'

[Tiny]

I want the old HAMB back when there was only a couple hundred of us on here and no threads like this. It was all tech and car pics it was great.

[Kilroy]

I want the old HAMB back when there was only a couple hundred of us on here and no threads like this. It was all tech and car pics it was great.

The fact of the matter was, there were always threads like this...

I'd say the Mods are likely closeing FEWER threads than they used to if you take into consideration the volume the HAMB has now...

Post what you like, if it gets locked or closed don't post it again. And if you don't like it, don't post at all...

The volume of stuff on here lately is dizzying... I've long since given up trying to keep up...

I'm not sure it would even be possible to lock enough threads so I could keep up though...

I pretty much just subscribe to the few threads that really grab me and track them via email... I know I miss a lot, but I really don't have as much time as I used to. So there you go...

Maybe those of you that think there's too much crap on here could do the same...

[Tiny]

The fact of the matter was, there were always threads like this...

I'd say the Mods are likely closeing FEWER threads than they used to if you take into consideration the volume the HAMB has now...

Post what you like, if it gets locked or closed don't post it again. And if you don't like it, don't post at all...

The volume of stuff on here lately is dizzying... I've long since given up trying to keep up...

I'm not sure it would even be possible to lock enough threads so I could keep up though...

I pretty much just subscribe to the few threads that really grab me and track them via email... I know I miss a lot, but I really don't have as much time as I used to. So there you go...

Maybe those of you that think there's too much crap on here could do the same...

I hear you thats why I've been on here since 2001 and have less than 500 posts. I follow threads and read alot every now and then a thread like this gets me going and I just have to join in. As far as the old HAMB I guess you never can put Pandora back in the box wish I could though.

[Ryan]

I hear you thats why I've been on here since 2001 and have less than 500 posts. I follow threads and read alot every now and then a thread like this gets me going and I just have to join in. As far as the old HAMB I guess you never can put Pandora back in the box wish I could though.

Rose colored glasses? Go back and look at the old HAMB posts... I loved it to, but the quality was wayyyy down compared to today.

[Weeks46]

People who have over a 1000 posts in less then 6 months really surprise the hell outta me. Especially when they seem to be chiming in on every thread, especially the Newbies when they seem to start talking as though they are having a dang Instant Message session. WTF people? Search and PM each other do not keep asking repetitive BS that can be searched for. The mods do a damn good job of killing threads that get outta control or way out of the realm of the cars we all come here to see.

I found a board I frequent that is in the MidWest that is alot like the old HAMB. Its regional so I just read mainly but alot of the good information that I see here on the HAMB was posted on there first. I do not know why but I find myself checking that board before I jump to the HAMB. Oh and if you do not see I am in Calimexico nowhere near the MidWest. So maybe regional boards are something of the future or more stringent mods maybe for another site IDK. Only time will tell.

I enjoy the global reach the HAMB provides to all of us and hope that it continues to improve as it has already over the last few years.

PROPS to Metalshapes, Curious Rash, Rocky, Ryan, The Jalopy Journal spam-bot lmfao, Tuck, and the other mods who keep the HAMB proper. With that said.-Weeks

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[THR1LL3R]

It's usually the guys with 3000+ post think they're Moderators....the mods do a good enough job..Imo

[Tiny]

Rose colored glasses? Go back and look at the old HAMB posts... I loved it to, but the quality was wayyyy down compared to today.

Yeah but we pretty much knew one another. Quality is up but so is anonimaty. Shit even at joining in 2001 I lurked for a long time before I got the urge to join. Now people seem to join first and read second.

[X38]

Now people seem to join first and read second.


You got it right there.

[Royalé with cheese]

Perhaps; the right thing to do would be
to ask those who have gone o/t to please sign out
for the last time and never come back.

and then work on those who are slightly o/t.
and then those who are a little o/t.
and then those who are left handed.
and then...

this is all sounding a little unfriendly.

[deadbodyman]

Mabee I'm NOT in the right place,the cussing is cool,but anybody that has shit to say about the cars I build because thats what I want in my car ,like a V8 12" disc brakes power rack n pinion cruse control air electric heated seats four link rear,all of which was takin out of other cars at the junk yards and made to work on my rotted out 48 plymouth biz coupe that I resurrected from the dead will get their ass handed to them.after 35 yrs building rods I've learn this :every rod is a reflection of its owner if you purist guys really get right down to it,the rod itself isnt traditional and if you like making rules your not rodders either,WE break rules not make them we build what we like and build em for us ,no one else,not even the law will stop us rebels although they keep trying.If this isnt the right place for people like me I'd just as soon find out now and not waste my time.What I want to do is help people get their rods done and on the road ,ALL rods,I can help and want to

[Ryan]

Mabee I'm NOT in the right place,the cussing is cool,but anybody that has shit to say about the cars I build because thats what I want in my car ,like a V8 12" disc brakes power rack n pinion cruse control air electric heated seats four link rear,all of which was takin out of other cars at the junk yards and made to work on my rotted out 48 plymouth biz coupe that I resurrected from the dead will get their ass handed to them.after 35 yrs building rods I've learn this :every rod is a reflection of its owner if you purist guys really get right down to it,the rod itself isnt traditional and if you like making rules your not rodders either,WE break rules not make them we build what we like and build em for us ,no one else,not even the law will stop us rebels although they keep trying.If this isnt the right place for people like me I'd just as soon find out now and not waste my time.What I want to do is help people get their rods done and on the road ,ALL rods,I can help and want to

It's not personal, just editorial. You might be in the wrong place.

[Weeks46]

When you get Ryan's attention and what he said, yeah your in the wrong place.-Weeks

[39 All Ford]

"You can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not please all of the people all of the time."
Who was it that said that.... LOL

:D

[Cliffy]

I'd like a poll to see just how many of us have 100% "traditional" hot rods on this site. I'll bet it is less than .1% I can't think of ANYONE I know on here that actually has a 100% old school hot rod. Even the guys who have really period correct stuff still have modern tweaks on it somewhere. Bottom line, if someone wants to be able to fix it on a road trip, they almost have to have a later model axle or modern brakes up front, modern ignition, etc. Maybe the Pileup should just let 100% traditional cars in next year. Bet they won't have but a couple dozen out of the 1200 last year.

I had some guy argue with me about "traditional" hot rods at 50's last weekend. He said that a "traditional" hot rod is anything someone builds in their garage with parts they have available at the time. Someone building a tuner car or a street rod has a "traditional" hot rod he argues. I agree a bit with his reasoning.

I had a thread a few years ago asking if there were any traditional styled 4x4s out there. How could this be a problem? Jeeps were available long before the 60's, Willys, IH, Etc. DELETED!!! This kind of pissed me off. It was a serious post where I wanted some opinion if there is a traditional styled 4x4. Then I saw a post with a million replys about some old jeep military hot rod someone built. And that is Okay? far as I am concerned, let the bad threads die....if they are newer than 64 then delete them. If we talk intelligently about any topic, it is what the members want and it should be okay. Lock the bashing threads, let the rest go wild.

[krooser]

Mabee I'm NOT in the right place,the cussing is cool,but anybody that has shit to say about the cars I build because thats what I want in my car ,like a V8 12" disc brakes power rack n pinion cruse control air electric heated seats four link rear,all of which was takin out of other cars at the junk yards and made to work on my rotted out 48 plymouth biz coupe that I resurrected from the dead will get their ass handed to them.after 35 yrs building rods I've learn this :every rod is a reflection of its owner if you purist guys really get right down to it,the rod itself isnt traditional and if you like making rules your not rodders either,WE break rules not make them we build what we like and build em for us ,no one else,not even the law will stop us rebels although they keep trying.If this isnt the right place for people like me I'd just as soon find out now and not waste my time.What I want to do is help people get their rods done and on the road ,ALL rods,I can help and want to

There are dozens of forums that welcome the kind of car you just described.... this, pretty much, isn't one of 'em.

Lots of guys here have cars just like yours but we talk early stuff here... show me a rod built in '48 that has R&P and Baer brakes and I'll apologize...

[Cliffy]

I'd like a poll to see just how many of us have 100% "traditional" hot rods on this site. I'll bet it is less than .1% I can't think of ANYONE I know on here that actually has a 100% old school hot rod. Even the guys who have really period correct stuff still have modern tweaks on it somewhere. Bottom line, if someone wants to be able to fix it on a road trip, they almost have to have a later model axle or modern brakes up front, modern ignition, etc. Maybe the Pileup should just let 100% traditional cars in next year. Bet they won't have but a couple dozen out of the 1200 last year.

I had some guy argue with me about "traditional" hot rods at 50's last weekend. He said that a "traditional" hot rod is anything someone builds in their garage with parts they have available at the time. Someone building a tuner car or a street rod has a "traditional" hot rod he argues. I agree a bit with his reasoning.

Maybe I should clarify that I am not really saying that I agree that we should be talking EFI and MII here, but there is just a lot of that here. I don't care for disc brakes, NONE of my cars have them. I have never had issues with old parts that work they way they should. It is just so hard to break away from "street rod" talk here when the majority of people who are building "traditional" stuff now want modern safety and drivability upgrades.

So there are really three types of people here from what I see: 100% traditional, traditional styled with modern flair and the rest. The "traditional hot rod" scene in a lot of people's eyes I think has turned into a Model A with a SBC, late model rear end, coker radials and new drop axle with disc brakes. Is it time to reinvent what a traditional hot rod is or just define it better?

I have learned a lot about what people think and want promoting our show in Aug. I hear a lot of Rat Rod talk and try to educate the difference. I actually believe that the majority of people out there think "rat rod" and not traditional. It is going to be hard to break that image, I am not sure if it is possible. Now that this market has gone commercialized and popular, it may be out of control. For the people who really understand what it is all about, you just have to bite your tongue a lot I guess....or delete posts. sad to say

[Tuck]

I must be the .1% along with most of my close friends...

Stop trying to define the HAMB.

Waste of time.
Waste of energy.

Just follow the forum rules and build something that means somethin to YOU.

[Kerry]

Listen to Tuck. Word!

[Revhead]

I must be the .1% along with most of my close friends...

Stop trying to define the HAMB.

Waste of time.
Waste of energy.

Just follow the forum rules and build something that means somethin to YOU.

maybe you are, but i understand his point.. one example.. the Headskratcher.. everyone drooled over it when it showed up on the hamb, but it does have a TH350 or something in it.. not very traditional..

I'm not defending anyone, just pointing out..there are exceptions, lots of them

[Kerry]

That's true. I'm sure not 100% traditional by the parts I used but I am 100% traditional in how I built her, using what I could find and afford, and making my own parts instead of buying it all. That's how my Dad had explained how it used to be done. Heck, I'm running 70's camaro disks on the front but it sure helps shutting it down from 115 mph in the 1/4.

That's why I agree with Tuck so strongly about not trying to define the HAMB. I prefer to live it instead.

Is my dragster turning out to be an exact replica of a car from 1963 or even a parts correct car? No. The hot rodder in me wants to live it and go fast instead of being perfectly accurate to the era. And guess what. If you don't like it I don't give a rat's ass. I'm having fun!!! :-)

[Pat Pryor]

I think this forum needs a off topic area so we can have a place to discuss other things that are not related to cars,this is the only forum I hang out on that does not have that area. Having a off topic area does not distract from the site on others so it should not here.


yea! n we can call it the kill zone. and delete em as fast as you can post.

[sloorider]

Brian's wanting to know why his post got locked/closed was reasonable,and when Ryan answered, it should have been closed.Mods ya blew it (all due respect).
Brian post great info, as do Blue Lux, Elpolacko ...etc on what qualifies as non traditional. Sure would not want to lose them.

[mpls|cafe|racer]

:(
ya done hurt ma feelins'

You're really obnoxious.

[mpls|cafe|racer]

Ryan may not kiss my ass, But he will definatly Lick My Nut Sack!

It's way more satisfying for him...


http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n302/FTW1969/CDOGS12.jpg


hahaha that picture rules.

[seesko]

You're really obnoxious.

Yer a little late niegbor. :)

[mpls|cafe|racer]

Yer a little late niegbor. :)

I doubt it. I see nothing that gives me the impression that it will ever change.

[seesko]

I doubt it. I see nothing that gives me the impression that it will ever change.

Thanks pal. :)

[mpls|cafe|racer]

Thanks pal. :)

Your sarcasm is wasted with me, trust me. I don't find you hilarious, witty, intelligent, capable of teaching others anything.... you're a write off. Then again, those of us in your local area know that already.

Have a good night, brah.

[TrannyMan]

I'd like a poll to see just how many of us have 100% "traditional" hot rods on this site. I'll bet it is less than .1% I can't think of ANYONE I know on here that actually has a 100% old school hot rod. Even the guys who have really period correct stuff still have modern tweaks on it somewhere. Bottom line, if someone wants to be able to fix it on a road trip, they almost have to have a later model axle or modern brakes up front, modern ignition, etc. Maybe the Pileup should just let 100% traditional cars in next year. Bet they won't have but a couple dozen out of the 1200 last year.

I had some guy argue with me about "traditional" hot rods at 50's last weekend. He said that a "traditional" hot rod is anything someone builds in their garage with parts they have available at the time. Someone building a tuner car or a street rod has a "traditional" hot rod he argues. I agree a bit with his reasoning.

I had a thread a few years ago asking if there were any traditional styled 4x4s out there. How could this be a problem? Jeeps were available long before the 60's, Willys, IH, Etc. DELETED!!! This kind of pissed me off. It was a serious post where I wanted some opinion if there is a traditional styled 4x4. Then I saw a post with a million replys about some old jeep military hot rod someone built. And that is Okay? far as I am concerned, let the bad threads die....if they are newer than 64 then delete them. If we talk intelligently about any topic, it is what the members want and it should be okay. Lock the bashing threads, let the rest go wild.

I always wondered what a traditional was and who defined it. Not to start crap, but I was born in 61 and started driving (legally) in 77. I was the poor kid in school so I had a 71 P.U., built from junkyard parts, beat up, welded and rusty. I hotrodded it with a set of home ported heads, headers cut to fit, homemade exhaust, etc...etc...etc... I understand the traditional up to 64, because really after that it's a muscle car. Disc brakes? the 1700lb car doesn't need them, but the 4door land barge definitely would be alot safer with them.


Still like the site and not trying to pee in anyone's cheerios, not looking for the "this may not be your site" response.

[James Maxwell]

This place is great, with the high volume of posts any mod work is super small percentage.

[Thirdyfivepickup]

I'm thinking the old HAMB was great because there was a small, tight-knit group of people who "got it." I don't know the collective group of who was in the beginning but I'm guessing that it was a lot of younger guys with a passion for the traditional way of doing things.

If that's the case I'm thinking that there might have been only a couple of people who actually were there in the 50s... the guys who witnessed it all.

Now we have hundreds of guys who were there and among them a handful of guys who's names are the history we seek.

[Kilroy]

Anybody who thinks the "old HAMB" was cooler...

Should go read the "Which HAMBer would you most like to meet" thread...

It's like reading old yearbook signatures... We were goofy as hell...

[BillBallingerSr]

I have a 1965 Galaxie. It is outside the years listed, but it is still being done the way hot rods have always been. I have been working on hot rods since I was able to, with some great traditional influences. Mechanically it is sound, and safe. All of the worn out crap is replaced and it drives better than new. It is presentable, and the devil is in the details. No $20,000 paint, but it is straight as a Marine bed during inspection. We painted it ourselves and I did all of the bodywork, and its a nice shiny paint job. I am happy with it, because the doors shut with one finger. You can drive 100+ mph plus with all 4 windows down and still light a cigarette with a zippo. I have a 12:1 FE going together with me my son and nephew. There has been nothing farmed out, and it will be more go than show. It has been an uphill battle all the way. But it is what it is.

Hot rodding is more than just a set of parameters. You live the car. I wish it was a '58 Custom 300 I had put all of that work into, I like them better. But that car is as traditionally done as it can be, being a '65. Its not a muscle car, its an old family hardtop hot rodded, and these hands did alot of the work, and I used it to teach my son how to rehabilitate a dead vehicle. He hates them right now, but someday he'll get bit by the bug.

I like working on the flathead in the '35 sedan and the project going together with the '35 pickup.

This a great community, and the mods do a great job of keeping it on track. Its more than years and models, its what you do with them to put your signature on it. That old '65 352 has a TFI ignition running off the points. I made that myself. Thats hot rodding. Making it better. people put flatheads in Model As, SBC and 303 Rockets, Caddies, Hemis, in their rods for a reason.

How many people are still running their non hydraulic brakes on their old Fords? What makes a bone stock '37 Chevy Standard with the stock babbit pounder any more traditional than anything else? If it has a 2X2 manifold, and split exhaust, thats hot rodded. Seee what I mean? Its not the specific car, but the direction you take it and your bloody knuckles. At least thats what hot rodding used to be, maybe I'm wrong?

[sloorider]

What you are saying Bill is bang on, it's all about hotrodding be it traditional or maybe boarder line. Some mods are just the rite thing to do. And I believe that was Brian's point in the beginning, not trying to convert this to a street rod forum. The most active treads(imo) are not always about traditional as peoples interest are not exclusively about same and this is what keeps this forum popular.
Besides, how many times can one dwell only on traditional,could get little dry.
Interesting that Ryan would get sensitive about street rods as he has one...

[Ryan]

What you are saying Bill is bang on, it's all about hotrodding be it traditional or maybe boarder line. Some mods are just the rite thing to do. And I believe that was Brian's point in the beginning, not trying to convert this to a street rod forum. The most active treads(imo) are not always about traditional as peoples interest are not exclusively about same and this is what keeps this forum popular.
Besides, how many times can one dwell only on traditional,could get little dry.
Interesting that Ryan would get sensitive about street rods as he has one...

Yep, and that kind of proves my point. I don't dislike street rods. However, this forum is about traditional hot rods and customs. Sure, we cross the line a little here and there, but the ultimate reason this site was started remains... If that's not your thing, find another forum. It's really that simple.

[BillBallingerSr]

Yep, and that kind of proves my point. I don't dislike street rods. However, this forum is about traditional hot rods and customs. Sure, we cross the line a little here and there, but the ultimate reason this site was started remains... If that's not your thing, find another forum. It's really that simple.


I think that is the crux of the matter. I know my car will never fit the years of the traditional rod and custom, but the experience in working with it and all of the cars that did fit make it worthwhile to be here, part of this family. I want to try to help guys make good choices, maybe shake a tree and find parts for someone. Its a great place to be. I think all I ever thought about was cars as long as I can remember. The forum isn't about me or my car, I am just here to share what I have learned. Fixing the quarter on the Galaxie, I taught my son how to work with lead, how to hammer weld, shrink metal. It could have been a '40 Ford but it wasn't, But he knows how now, passing along that knowlege is more important to me than saying "hey look at my great handiwork" I look at the old Gal and there's memories and skills there, passed on just like they were to me.

But for any group to work, you have to have boundaries. I respect them. I did do a tech article on the TFI with points, gave credit to the other persons who may have done it, did it myself for a first hand perspective and it works. I think it would be relevant to make an older vehicle more reliable and keeping your points distributor and original look, all the modern stuff can be hidden. But, thats about it. FE's, I have built and raced them for years, The '65 has one and a Cruiso, same as a Fordomatic really, Y-blocks, built a bunch of them, flatties, even an old 9N tractor, I enjoy them. But it isn't a specific topic that always fit here. I can't start a thread on the 9N and expect it not to be taken off. Its not a hot rod. But if someone is working on a banger and a piece of experience I gained from the 9N is relevant I'll share it. Because that fits. See. The relevant experience over the ego of recognition that may not be. I can answer an FE or Fordomatic question, most carbs that would be relevant to someone with a traditional ride. Its more than worth it to me to support this resource. Its not about me, its the cars.

[Ryan]

I think that is the crux of the matter. I know my car will never fit the years of the traditional rod and custom, but the experience in working with it and all of the cars that did fit make it worthwhile to be here, part of this family. I want to try to help guys make good choices, maybe shake a tree and find parts for someone. Its a great place to be. I think all I ever thought about was cars as long as I can remember. The forum isn't about me or my car, I am just here to share what I have learned. Fixing the quarter on the Galaxie, I taught my son how to work with lead, how to hammer weld, shrink metal. It could have been a '40 Ford but it wasn't, But he knows how now, passing along that knowlege is more important to me than saying "hey look at my great handiwork" I look at the old Gal and there's memories and skills there, passed on just like they were to me.

But for any group to work, you have to have boundaries. I respect them. I did do a tech article on the TFI with points, gave credit to the other persons who may have done it, did it myself for a first hand perspective and it works. I think it would be relevant to make an older vehicle more reliable and keeping your points distributor and original look, all the modern stuff can be hidden. But, thats about it. FE's, I have built and raced them for years, The '65 has one and a Cruiso, same as a Fordomatic really, Y-blocks, built a bunch of them, flatties, even an old 9N tractor, I enjoy them. But it isn't a specific topic that always fit here. I can't start a thread on the 9N and expect it not to be taken off. Its not a hot rod. But if someone is working on a banger and a piece of experience I gained from the 9N is relevant I'll share it. Because that fits. See. The relevant experience over the ego of recognition that may not be. I can answer an FE or Fordomatic question, most carbs that would be relevant to someone with a traditional ride. Its more than worth it to me to support this resource. Its not about me, its the cars.

I think you and I are eye-to-eye.

There will be a solution for latter model cars pretty soon. Promise. :)

[BillBallingerSr]

One more thing, I think Ryan has made a pretty clear distinction. Anyone who reads the rules should know the difference as I said as the relevant experience to a modernizing project to making a modern project the central issue, just like the R word. Building unsafe garbage is building unsafe garbage whether its a '29 xxx or not. I did circle track racing for years, drag racing, and you just learn things along the way. I can't make a car that I built for the track in 1977 a central topic, but if I see someone putting something together wrong, I am going to hit the buzzer and call time out. That's my duty as a fellow rodder so you don't learn by getting scraped off of a tree because an angle doomed the project to fail.

[BillBallingerSr]

I think you and I are eye-to-eye.

There will be a solution for latter model cars pretty soon. Promise. :)


Thanks bud, I appreciate you. :cool:

[sloorider]

Yep, and that kind of proves my point. I don't dislike street rods. However, this forum is about traditional hot rods and customs. Sure, we cross the line a little here and there, but the ultimate reason this site was started remains... If that's not your thing, find another forum. It's really that simple.

fair enough, I'll stick around. As Benny Hill would say "learning, learning, always learning...

[1950Effie]

I am sorry we have all come to this. This is a great site. To learn from, study from and to meet other Rodders. Weather you like what the moderators do or not. There simply has to be a set of rules. Without these then we end up with Ricers and the sort spending time, clogging up our site with hopped up, turbo jammed, nitrous fumed wining sewing machines. Frankly I don't want that here. Look at what the NSRA recently did with their change to the age limit on car years. It was wrong and has caused a rift within their ranks. We need to keep this pure, relevant and to the old school tradition.
I have a street rod as well as old school. I love them all. But if I want to PM about the street rod world I seek out those forums not here.
Plan and simple. There are rules and we must live within those.