let's talk about quick change rear ends.

[VAPHEAD]

Who is your local quick change guru?Is there someone here with lots of experience?Any good stories about quickie's?
How about pictures of yours?ANYTHING !!

[VAPHEAD]

gotta change gears..just can't get the bitch to hook!

[Kevin Lee]

I'll add: What ever happened to the steel (iron?) one Clark was going to dig out from the bottom of the pile of rear ends he found? Who has a picture of a completed Wilson Welding conversion? Who would know anything about the other guy who built the crazy touring and also does the conversion? Did the gut in Australia ever get his Model A version worked out?

[brewsir]

I'm thinking of running one ...but have no clue about what works and whats strong....oddrod has a quickie , but it seems pretty big compared to what I've seen under most street cars....so whats the hot setup and what won't break???

[Jeff Norwell]

I am in the process of putting one in my pickup(32) I got my hands on a champ...not a V8....they are the smaller ones,more popular with the nos. and trad guys.Some people think that you must run a V8 to be look'in proper.....I'm using the bigger bro for its stoutness.Gonna use early bells and 9 inch brakes....again,they aint cheep. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Jeff Norwell]

Mikes book(av8) has real good info on the subject.....that book is a freak'in bible! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[sawzall]

my bet is that the quickie that clarke spotted the day were were tin hunting is still stuck at the bottom of the pile.. where it should prohably stay!.. at any rate.. the only thing I know is that SOME ARCA CARS were allowed to run quickchanges up till a few seasons ago.. my dads got one in the garage. I think its a franklin?

so anyhow if anyones lookin check out some of the race shops that are closin up every day..

later

sawzall

[VAPHEAD]

I was thinking the torque tube/closed driveline set up might be less prone to breaking apart at the pinion.
I have the torque tube set up in my car.I never really understood having a early Ford trans and a open drive rearend...

[**DONOTDELETE**]

The V8 center sections work with early Ford passenger car axle housings and differential. They also use the passenger car ring and pinion gears and axles. As a result, they're not real strong. They were used mainly in midgets.

The Halibrand Championship and/or Roadster center sections (also Frankland and Winters, etc.) use the early 3/4 ton Ford truck ring and pinion. They are stronger by far but I'm not sure how you can get a differential (spider gears) in them. They can be had for much less investment than the V8 because of this problem.

Perhaps someone who frequents this forum knows how to "unlock" the Champ rear so it's suitable for street use.....I've never been able to figure it out. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

I think Winters and Halibrand make street versions now but they are not cheap !

[Jive-Bomber]

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I'm thinking of running one ...but have no clue about what works and whats strong....oddrod has a quickie , but it seems pretty big compared to what I've seen under most street cars....so whats the hot setup and what won't break???

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Brew-

The Halibrand Champ center section is much larger than a V8 center section- different axles, cones, etc. - That may be what Steve-O has.

jay

[modernbeat]

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Who has a picture of a completed Wilson Welding conversion?

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I've got photos. I'll post them tonight when I'm home.

About the Winters Champ style: I've got one with a live axle available cheap! I've also got a '48 3/4 ton Axle that will yield a differential and one side bell for a Champ style QC. It's got floating axles too.

[cabriolethiboy]

I have one in a 32 cabriolet(V8). Man is it noisey. I've tried all kinds of different grease and only quietened it down slightly. What I found to be the best is 1/2 140 wt. and 1/2 STP. I changed to helical cut gears and that helped only enough to make it bearable. With the top down it is no problem at all. I don't have a radio and I don't need a radio, my car sings to me. Talked to a guy recently and he said to use softer (Rockwell hardness) gears. I've learned to live with it, but 300 miles of listening to it will flat wear you out.

[VAPHEAD]

Cabrio,did you build it yourself?
Got any pictures?
What brand is yours?

[av8]

Vern Tardel has new pieces for V8 QCs -- quill shafts for both torquetube and open-drive, open-drive conversions, covers, bearings, seals. You can write Vern at

TARDEL ENTERPRISES
464 Pleasant Avenue
Santa Rosa, CA 95403

or FAX him at 707-838-6065

Here are some of the pieces available . . .

[CornBinder]

You can buy a locker ring gear all ready set up just need to bolt it into you existing center section and insert the axels and away you go. I have a champ and a V8, v8 is for my A, But I wanted to use the champ for my International Pick up. How much for that 48 3/4 rear? anyone have the other side bell? I have two nice rear ends - complete Drum to Drum, both with hyd. Brakes, one 40, & one 41 any 3/4 rears for trade?

[continentaljohn]

I would have to agree on the noise , it's kinda like a gear drive. I have a set of ground gears and are a bit quieter then the broched set. Also the gas tank had to be knotched in order to clear the rearend.

[continentaljohn]

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[wingnutz]

Had a Halibrand with Magnesium bells and a spool..., I bought it cheap for $500! It needed to be "Gone" through to work on my roadster so I started feeding it money...! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

When it was roadster ready I had about $1,500 into it and it was still a spool. Anybody can tell you who has run a spool on the street is that you really have to pay attention to what you're doing! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Although I loved the way it looked (larger than a V8) I couldn't deal with the spool on long trips! So I sold it for what I had in it, and bought a "Stock Car" products QC from TCI with a Ford "Trac Lock" Posi..., this QC was much larger than the Halibrand but worked perfectly. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I ran a 3:55 gearset and when I reversed the gears (put the top gear on the bottom and the bottom on the top) I ended up with a 4:88 ratio...! "FUN" http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Speedway has this version for sale for around $2,400..., worth it...? For me it was..., but You'll have to make that determination! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Mark

[voodoo]

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Who is your local quick change guru?

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Jamie Franklin of Franklin Welding is about 20 miles from me. If you want I can get you his number.

[Homeresque]

labor1

testing

[Homeresque]

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubb/image_uploads/labor1.jpg

testing again

[Homeresque]

Ah, fu@# it! Its been so long since I posted a pic the format has changed.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

continentaljohn....Do you have spiders or a locker in that one ? I ran an identical unit in a dirt car but it had a spool.

[Tman]

My boss runs one in his model A. A Halibrand Champ with a Detroit Locker. We have a car on the hoist right now with a Winters-Trac in a Winters case. They are pretty easy to run on the street. It is a better deal to order your ring and pinion loaded, that is lash is set at the factory. Lots of roundy round parts out there. A buddy is running one behind a blown BBC. If they hold up to Late Models running 600+ HP, I doubt any of our street cars will hurt a properly built Champ Quickie.

[Louie]

Its not in a car yet but Ive got this old Culver City Halibrand Model A quick change.Louie

[hotrodA]

I've run a V8 Halibrand for 8 years under my roadster. Bought it for $75 from a guy that had it under a bomber, dirt track Cougar. Threw in the spool, but I don't use it.
Had the machine work done on the carrier, spiders and ring gear for $100, and set up for $100. Jigged up and welded on late model ford bearing cups, and converted to 28 spline axles. Run a 3A gear set with 48 ring & pinion. I love the noise. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Didn't get the rear out of the yard yet. Need a couple of guys that are dumb enough to help me. Found it walking on a pile of rears in he local yard. Sawzall walked right over it without seeing it
Clark

[Flat Ernie]

I've got an NOS Halibrand V8 center section that I haven't used yet - it wasn't cheap, but it wasn't outrageous (in my book anyway) either.

Does anyone make a posi differential for these things? All I've seen are spools & open diffs...

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[sawzall]

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Sawzall walked right over it without seeing it
Clark


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yeah I thought it was just another piece of shit.. which it is

[Ichoptop]

Eric, go to the next V8 meeting and talk to Bernie. He has rebulit most of the quick changes in the club and has alot of experience that he is willing to share. If you dont know him ask me and I'll intorduce you.

[cabriolethiboy]

Vaphead;
I bought it brand new through Lobeck's straight from Halibrand. The pinion was already set up. I used early Ford axle tubes and welded on 9" bearing ends. I set up the side bells myself. Not too hard but it takes a lot of time. I had always wanted a car with a quickchange. To me that is one of the things that changes it from a "street rod" to a HOT ROD. What I found out is that there aren't very many people that know anything about a V8 quickchange. The first time I got the car out was to drive it to Indy Goodguys(98). About 50 miles away for me, so we stay at home and make the drive everyday. It was so loud that when I got home that night I pulled the whole third member out to check it because I thought it was chewing itself up. Everything was fine and I have been running it for 5 years now. I have 3 more V8 QC's(old ones) on the shelf for future projects. Talk about a glutton for punishment. Not all QC's are noisey though. A friend about 5 miles from me has one in a model A coupe and it hardly makes any noise. Depends how they were machined I guess. Never heard that about the broached gears before. Something else to look into. I would like to post a picture but my computer is acting up and won't let me do it.

[VAPHEAD]

Hmmn,I was just thinking what to do with this!

[VAPHEAD]

b

[Chuck R]

http://photo.starblvd.net/copshop/1-4-2.jpg
I have a Frankland quick change, It is a little noisy at times but I would not want it any other way. I hear that Winters has a new tooth finish and a higher level of polishing that tones down the rear end noise a lot.

[Humboldt Cat]

It's a Cyclone, eh? My friend Kevin runs Cyclone in Temple City- is that where you got it?
Am looking forward to learning more about them for the next project (maybe even my current one, down the line).

[Stovebolt]

Don't mean to hijack the thread, nut just wondering how Kevin and Cyclone is going. Last I heard was that it was going to cost $25K to get the CNC programme up and happening for the machining of the Cyclone QC's!!!!

The Cyclone web site is down, so can't email Kevin for an update.

Anyone have the rundown on the Winters centre as featured in AR recently???

[Humboldt Cat]

Stovebolt, from what he's told me it's working out so far. I just recently got a hold of him after 13 years, so still catching up with him on what's happened since. But it sounds like it's working out well, that's he's sure not short of business to take care of.

[VAPHEAD]

Yup,that's the new Cyclone quickie.Kevin done good!
Trying to help him out by stepping up and putting his goods into our shops inventory.It is a fantastic piece.Trying to figure out how I can afford one for my roadster.!?

[Humboldt Cat]

Hey Vaphead, Cyclone's email is cycloneracingequip@hotmail.com How much did your unit cost?

[VAPHEAD]

I am a dealer for all the Cyclone products.The retail is $2,800.00 for the quickie.It comes with all the bearings,shaft.But no gears.I have two in stock.I also have two nos Ford 4.11 ring and pinions that I had Cook's machine the pinions for the quickie.
.I really want to put one under my car,but gotta make the house payment every month...maybe the boss will take payments...?