ID this car

[CrkInsp]

I received some pictures from as friend this weekend. This picture was in the stack. Can anyone ID this car?

[Joe Hamby]

Mudflap261

[Ron Golden]

I saw several pictures of the car and talked to the guys when I was at MoKan last year. It is awesome looking and the workmanship looks great.

Ron

[CrkInsp]

Here is another picture of the frame.

[Mr. Mac]

Not bad for two senile old men.:D:D

[CrkInsp]

Mr. Mac,
Those two "senile ole men", that work in a pencil and paper world with a stick that has some funny little marks on it, ask me to post some more of thier work. So here goes.

[CrkInsp]

Mr. Mac,
They said to tell you they would have more when they can get some more powder for the flash tray and some more plates for the pin hole camera. But if you had some to spare it would speed things along.;)

A message from the two "senile ole men"

[64 DODGE 440]

Those two "senile ole men" are developing the HA/GR into an art form.......

That is one neat race car.:cool:

[Mr. Mac]

HAHA! I had lunch with the old guys today,believe me I told them how good there car looked. Wish I could do metal work that good.
I might just wander over there some day and take my camera along and take some pics for myself of coarse I'll have to find out when there nap time is over.:D:D

[moparsled]

here's what I see

[CrkInsp]

Mr. Mac
So, you know about those naps do you. Maybe you ole guys can work out a time when your all up and about. You know a good nap is very important at your age. ;) :D

[Joe Hamby]

Mr. Mac 1946

CrkInsp 1945 Can we promote this into a wheelchair race?

[bob hindman]

Joe come over to my shop

hiney....

[CrkInsp]

Mr. Mac
If we race down hill. How many pushers can we have? Is there a limit on wheel base? Is an NHRA cage mandatory? Are we required to have an onboard fire suppression system? Who builds an SFI approved brake system for these chairs? Do you think we can get TV time? Do we have to have an approved sponsor? Where can we put thier decal? How much do you think we can sell tickets for? Just a few small details to work out.

One more thing, manual or automatic? :D

[Drewfus]

beautiful fabrication, not sure on the sharp edged runners on the intake or that 5/8" manifold flange:D (I see an opportunity for some speed holes) but love the rest....

Another slant comes out to play.

Cheers,

Drewfus:D

[HAMBstirrer]

some may say I'm coping this with my next build, but what the hell it looks so good. I even have three srtombers to go. Bet they aint got a ladder bar leaf spring set up.?

[mudflap261]

Rear is solid

[CrkInsp]

Up date on “Senile ole men”
I went by to check on them yesterday. They were in a meeting with a “suit”.
So I walked around the shop looking. A few pic’s of interest;

A fixture for the fabrication of an intake manifold.

The next is of a fixture for the fabrication of headers.

Looks like they could make some sweet music.

After the meeting, they said, the “suit” was a stock broker. After some bench racing I ask, what was his recommendation for the day? The reply was “buy can goods and ammunitions”.

[kwoodyh]

That is a thing of beauty! Love that sheetmetal intake!

[64 DODGE 440]

“buy can goods and ammunitions”.

Old age and treachery will beat youth and enthusiasm any day.:D

[Ron Golden]

Excellent workmanship.

Ron

[Drewfus]

Excellent workmanship.

Ron

And vision....

I've been dreaming of doing something similar, look forward to see how long they make the intake runners, I'm going to guess about 18" to the plenum? please tell me my that someone else is thinking along the same lines as I am....;):D

regarding the headers, was that 1 3/4" x about 44" long? I was aiming at 38" using 1 5/8"....

Good torque from 3500-5500, right where we need it

Look forward to seeing more, not long till Mokan now...

Cheers,

Drewfus

[mudflap261]

Inch and half 36 long

[Ron Golden]

We just bought an engine designing computer program by Alan Lockheed ($400) to see what is needed for intake and exhaust systems. It will tell us a lot of other info also and it will be interesting to look at my GMC combination.

Ron

[CrkInsp]

It looks like "Senile ole men" went with a design that uses the 4th harmonic as the basis for thier intake manifold. Or they wanted to keep it under the hood. ???? They don't talk much about some of thier design ideas. Like the long up travel front suspenion, etc. Maybe I shouldn't have said that.

[mudflap261]

Long up lift suspension,4th harmonic design damn iam impressed i belive ill go take my mid morning nap all this heavy thinking has worn me out

[CrkInsp]

I went by to check on "Senile Ole Men" yesterday as it's been hot here.
Larry was shuffling around putting the disco lights on the "Pit Cruiser".
Jack was mumbling something about foggers for his injectors under the hood while he was welding. Couldn't really tell what he was talking about. I think the heat or the fumes are getting to him. Anyway they both are still working away toward completion of the car.

Saw this setting on the bench. Must be a speed secret.

[348chevy]

Those look like Hilborn carbs to me. With the short runs on the intake I would say they are planning 8000 rpm shift points. This could spell trouble for the rest of us.:D Roy

[Drewfus]

With the short runs on the intake I would say they are planning 8000 rpm shift points. This could spell trouble for the rest of us.:D Roy

very short....more photos please, thats such a tease...;):D

Cheers,

Drewfus:)

[mudflap261]

those look like hilborn carbs to me. With the short runs on the intake i would say they are planning 8000 rpm shift points. This could spell trouble for the rest of us.:d roythose hilborn carbs are very very rare this is only set known to exist

[nexxussian]

Edit...Saw this setting on the bench. Must be a speed secret.


Not anymore.:D

Heckuva setup, gonna be nice to see it run with that, even if only in video.

[HAMBstirrer]

dont know about that my reaction times are getting slower as I age, Was caught having a snooze at last meet with a 1.5 sec reaction??? Then again the line girl was good to look at

[CrkInsp]

Another trip by to see the two SENILE OL MEN. They said all parts are welded and most are ready for assembly. The car is on stands and headed for the door. It will go together at thier pace. Progress has come to a stand still on the Pit Cruiser for now, but will resume shortly I'm told.
I have one more pic. The guy on the left is the fabrecator, the one on the right must be someone who just wondered in as I haven't seen him around before.

[Mr. Mac]

At there pace,If's that so will all be dead of old age before there done.:D

[Drewfus]

Like it, will not only look good, but will be a genuine racer, credit to them, and look forward to seeing more.

Cheers,

Drewfus

[HAMBstirrer]

finally got some pics to add to ID this car so here they are.

[Black Knight Racing]

car looks great Kev, see you at the Nationals:D

[Old6rodder]

Wow! :cool:

[flatty slapper 67]

http://flatty slapper 67Oui - Hamb-stirrer - Had a look in your album Kev,( Yeh again )
That 4872 HA/GR must petes car-Absolutely a wild front end.
All packed ready to go to Brisbane-be there on wednesday pm,
for the test and tune. and Sat/Sun for the Nationals at Willowbank.
Not a bad effort 7 HA/GRs from NSW in QUEENSLand. Oui-Oui _oui.
Nigel will be there too and maybe 2 others.
The boys are camping at the track on sat night i will be there too.
Looking forward to see all its been nearly 12 month. JD.

[CrkInsp]

Checked up on the "Senile Ole Men" and saw a little progress. They may not be moving real fast but they are moving. The car is beginning to take shape.

[CrkInsp]

More pic's from the "Senile Ole Men"

[Drewfus]

yep....that car is going to kick butt.......

Cheers,

Drewfus:D

[CrkInsp]

Another trip to check on the "Senile Ole Men" revealed some progress is being made between naps. Here are a few pic's taken today.

[Drewfus]

As previously mentioned, that car is going to haul 'donkeys' (ass);):D

but why the tiny photo's.....

Cheers,

Drewfus:D

[Rand Man]

Like the body work. What's the tank up front? Hard to tell from the photos. Cooling? Dry sump?

[Joe Hamby]

Hay Randy, in that one picture I see Larry doing some Engineering work, and he looks searious. I wish that I could speall.

[mudflap261]

As previously mentioned, that car is going to haul 'donkeys' (ass);):D

but why the tiny photo's.....

Cheers,

Drewfus:Dhe was useing a spy camera mounted in his captain midnight decoder ring . the cone is the gas tank

[CrkInsp]

Rats!! They figured it out.

[CrkInsp]

More pic's from the world of the "Senile Ole Men". Well, they caught me with my decoder ring camera and said no more little pic's. They said if I was going to post any more pic's they better be big enough they can see them.

Drewfus, Larry said to make sure you see these, so here goes.

[Mr. Mac]

Them old men do good work. They better hurry, by the time they get done every body else will be running 800cu inch motors.:D:D

[Drewfus]

I CAN SEEEEEeeee.....rock on !!!

Progress looks sweet, although those fuel lines will be sucking a bit of air I think:D

Cheers,

Drewfus:)

[bobw]

With the skill level exhibited, I assume the boys made thier own front axle. Can anyone tell me what spindles they used?
That is one beautiful machine they are building!

[mudflap261]

With the skill level exhibited, I assume the boys made thier own front axle. Can anyone tell me what spindles they used?
That is one beautiful machine they are building!
bob i wiil thank for my partner jack kirksey he has done all the fab work. those are spe spindles

[Down the road]

Ha dar crkinsp feller whi4 ndem piters dat moter lokin lik it dun falober dae no ti da thang n .

[CrkInsp]

To Bring you up to date on the "Senile Ole Men" I have a couple of Pic's to post.
The first pic was taken at the TTA reunion last Sat..
The second was taken at thier shop.
The last was of an areo test to check for flow around the car at speed. A small problem of excessive down force on the rear of the car caused by too many louvers in the tail was discovered. They said "easy fix, hand me the hammer".

[2b-banjo]

Very very excellent work. Now this is totally a unique rail, a engineering masterpiece. Congradulations!!! Now I want to hear it run & race, can't wait!!!

[348chevy]

I was told the original concept of this car was to run at Bonneville and at the drags. It sure reminds me of the old Chrisman brothers rail that ran at the drags and at Bonneville. Anyway it is an awesome car that deserves every bit of praise it gets. The old men need a great big HAND. :DRoy

[2b-banjo]

Your right, Roy. If they do go to Bonneville, I will be there!!!

[6ck Pony]

The last was of an areo test to check for flow around the car

My first thought was "wow...air flow test for a HA/GR"


I looked through the thread and didn't see anything, but are there any internal modifications to the motor?

[CrkInsp]

6ck Pony, You will have to ask mudflap261 about the engine. He is the head wrench on the project.

[mudflap261]

My first thought was "wow...air flow test for a HA/GR"


I looked through the thread and didn't see anything, but are there any internal modifications to the motor?it has set of ross flat top pistons and a rv cam for torque matched the ports and did alittle bowl around the valves

[Toymaker]

THAT'S A BEAUTY!!!!! MO' BIGGER pictures please!!!!

[Drewfus]

liking the progress, will be interesting to watch, potential-a-plenty

Youtube footage next please....;):D

Cheers,

Drewfus

[6ck Pony]

Youtube footage next please....;):D

I 2nd that.

Thanks for the engine info.

[mudflap261]

Back to the top

[CrkInsp]

It's been cold and snowy here this past week, not our usual weather, so I haven't been over to check on the "Senile Old Men". I've got to put that on my list for Monday. Will report to all on thier progress.

[N2TopFuel]

absolutely outstanding!
I can't wait to see this with my own eyes.

Larry and Jack are on a level that most of us wish we could be at

[CrkInsp]

The "Senile Ole Men" are in the process of making the cage No Hot Rods Allowed acceptable. When that is complete I will post pic's.

[CrkInsp]

Well it warmed up a little around here so I went by to check up on the "Senile Ole Men" today. Found them both upright and moving. They were in the shop working on the second hoop for the cage ( 5 point ) and helment bars.

Larry said some one had ask him to post some pictures of the intake. You know how the mind goes when you get old, he couldn't remember who had ask. So I'm posting these for him as he said he couldn't remember if he had to choke the computer to get it started or not.

Jack said to tell all that he is better but couldn't remember at what. He just kept talking about the Hemi head or something like that.

[Drewfus]

N.a.s.t.y.....

Any photo's of how the intake manifold 'sandwich's the exhaust flange to the head?

will it be done for Mokan?

Cheers,

Drewfus

[CrkInsp]

Both the intake and the headers bolt to a plate that bolts to the head. I think that is shown in a previous post. If not I'll see if I can get a picture to post soon.

I went back thru the posts and found this picture. I hope it explains how it works.

[Drewfus]

I think that is shown in a previous post.

Appoligies....looks like I'm also going senile.....I knew that my memory isn't as good as my wifes, but I didn't realise it was this bad....:rolleyes:;):D:):D

Cheers,

Drewfus:)

[CrkInsp]

Drewfus, If thats the only problem we ever have, we'll be in good shape.

[348chevy]

All wife's memories are better than ours because they can remember things you said 40 years ago mostly that they can use to make you feel guilty. That way they get nice presents about Valentines and when you want to buy something for the race car.:DRoy