Radiators and bellybuttons..............

[rogue]

Sold the a sedan last week so now i'm gathering the rest of the pieces to finish the rpu. The radiators are my next big ticket item and you notice I typed radiators? Thats right ,two. Called up Walker, my boss only uses walker and has a great relationship with them, and told them about radiator numero uno. And without hesitation, without hearing the whole deal, what falls out his mouth? "That thing will never work". Whohhh kemosabe, lat me finish what I have in mind. "We won't build it cause it won't work". End of story. Yeah , there ready to move on to new ideas, and Courtny Love is a vergin. So it looks like my bad ass new ride will not be running a walker radiator any longer.

I try another sorce and they say that the cores can not be shorter than 17". Now I may drink a bit, but i've seen some real short custom radiators, I know I did. So, option two is gone due to sheer assholism.

Monyana, I will try Be-Cool. Thus far, after looking at the cataloge, it looks promising. Seen some downflow cores that will fit fine, and the rear crossflow seems to be handleable.

So I guess I just needed to vent this crap away. If you build your car and stray from the norm, you will recieve only closed ears, and shut eyes. No wonder it all looks the same, and I no longer tend "car bellybutton shows."..........

[Tman]

My boss loves Walker as well. I ordered an AFCO. Custom sized $400, they had no qualms as they build roundy round rads that cool under the worse conditions.

[seldom scene]

Paging Mr Rogue you have a message at the pm desk.

[sodbuster]

Throw him for a loop with a tractor radiator.....and they work real well...
http://i3.ebayimg.com/03/i/00/89/98/9d_1.JPG

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2564211771&category=11 756


Chris Nelson
Kansas

[ELpolacko]

For high end custom radiators I choose no other than Ron Davis Racing Radiator. By far the finest alumiunum radiator available. The have built some crazy stuff for me before and don't even flinch. They built the radiator in Mike Coopers "Tubester" that was such a hit around here. If you remember is was a V shaped piece mounted in the bed.

Contact info"

Ron Davis Racing Radiators
Glendale Arizona

623-877-5000

Ron Davis's web site (http://www.rondavisradiators.com/)

[rogue]

Hey Trent, give me that addy or phone #. You never know.

That tractor radiator is mighty good looking , but, my front radiator is 18.5" tall overall. That baby is 4" too big. Though I do appreciate the pic Sodmasta...

I think radiators are a fucked situation. My deuce ran a high rent, top of the line unit. It was set up to cool in death valley in the middle of summer but the thing got hot at the sign of a red light. Seen chopped down "a" radiator cooling a verry hopped up flatty and it ran cool. And I meen chopped down. So whats the story morning glory.?

Bill, check the pms..............

[Kinky6]

Hey, Sodbuster, Cool idea on the tractor rads! The Ford 2N-8N-9N model has the fill spout centered, so you can run a cool looking cap on it.

Four row cores rule, man! Kinky6 http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[sodbuster]

That is what is on the roadster p/u that we drove to Bonneville and it cools the 318 where it barely bets up to 180'. There is other ford tractor parts that interchange and look cool on hotrods also. Just go to a tractor/car show and check them out. Hmmm, cool steering wheel?

Chris Nelson
Kansas

[hotrodladycrusr]

I had a custom AL rad built for Big Olds last summer from a shop that specializes in building them for race cars. Was the best investment I did for Big Olds and the 455. It suits my slow, fairgrounds cruzn style. I'm sure they will build you whatever you want..... and paint it black if you so desire. It was a faction of the cost of the name brand ones. (ie: Walker, Be Cool, Griffin, etc)

Superior Radiators 586 463 8722

[hatch]

Roger Rosebush is the owner at BeCool...friend of the mich group...fab32, fuelpump, me...etc. Let us know if we can help....I also have a very good friend in the radiator business for 40 years or so...810 985 7800....Loxton Radiator...ask for Doug and tell him hatch said to call...he will give you an honest answer to your questions.

[DrJ]

I knew a guy who had a channeled Model A "ratrod" back in the 80's who was running a Toyota Forklift radiator in a cut down shell with a SBC. I have no idea what the dimensions and he moved to "somewhere in the desert" in Nevada because the aliens were going to abduct him...(So he gets closer the area 51? go figure) so I can't measure it, but it didn't come up any higher than his carburetor.

Ive heard people say that forklift and tractor radiators "aren't designed for use on a fast moving car" but if the cooling fins face the same way I don't really see why not.

(Yea, I know you're running more than a SBC)

[hatch]

Doc...the fins face the same way, but are staggered differently for tractor applications...

[daign]

[ QUOTE ]
If you build your car and stray from the norm, you will recieve only closed ears, and shut eyes. No wonder it all looks the same, and I no longer tend "car bellybutton shows."..........

[/ QUOTE ]

But if you did attend those shows, the naysayers will be crowded around your work admiring it and confused. Your work is top notch and I can't see what to see what you come up with.

-Dane

[flamedabone]

The hardest thing in the world to find is someone who "Gets it."

A guy who says "..it will never work.." certianly does not get it.

For the record, I have a radiator from a Genie Z-45 Knuckle boom in my Model A. Works great. NEVER over 190. ( A Genie lift is a piece of construction equipment that lifts people in the air..in this case..45 feet.)

Good luck, -Abone.

[El Caballo]

Agreed, because they already know it all and their egos won't let them be "wrong".

Genie lift, huh? Knowing you, there is a lift out there with a piece of pipe where the radiator was. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[D Picasso]

hmmmm...cross this post with the louver post, and you start the think the deck lid area's a good place for the radiator!

maybe a couple three curved sportbike radiators nestled into a well-louvered spot out back is something to try.

[SlowLearner]

Geez...another TECH topic! I love these threads. great to stumble on another one! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Seriously, I like the tractor and forklift rad idea. Is it cuz of the staggered rows that they're not supposed to be good for high speed airflow? I'm thinking too much frontal area (with staggered rows) therefore too much wind resistance (deflection?). Please school me.

[NealinCA]

I've had a New Holland harrowbed (the thing that picks up hay bales and stacks them) radiator in my GMC for close to 20 years. It was a near perfect fit in the radiator support and it has a 4" core.

It works great.

Neal...inCA

[rogue]

Thanks for all the phone #. I called Be-Cool and spoke to Bill Kidd. What a great company to deal with. These boys prefer the unusual, kick ass stuff. Unfortunatly, I can't afford even one of the radiators from them. I don't have a problem with the prices, but my budget is low right now. Even though, I almost gave them the nodd cause there so cool to deal with. Amagine that, can't afford there killer stuff, but I was almost willing to do it anyway cause the coolness level.

I went and called US Radiator and spoke to Jose, could of been Jose-b. Anyway, they gave me a price in the 850.00 naborhood for both . I think they may be the one. Seemed to know the deal and was ready to jump in. Thats still alot of dead presidents, but I am tired of faxing my plans around, and that seems fair...

[Tman]

Jim, did you try AFCO? Here is that addy, # is at bottom.

http://www.secureperformanceorder.com/onlinestore/getsubclasses.cfm?ClassID=70&CategoryID=6

[ELpolacko]

Didn't call these guys either?

http://www.rondavisradiators.com/Mustang%20Group.jpg

http://www.rondavisradiators.com/37-Ford-radiator_small.jpg

http://www.rondavisradiators.com/XK-140.jpg

http://www.gomog.com/phoenix/DAVISRAD&ISISSCOOP.jpg

http://www.classicjaguar.com/140RADS.jpg

[rogue]

El Polocko, who is that???

[sodbuster]

http://www.rondavisradiators.com

from the properties on the pix...

[fab32]

If you can't get any satisfaction anywhere else PM or e-mail me. I used to work for the company that put Be-Cool on the map. I may be able to get you a custom piece built without having to morgage your house (Be-Cool). I'll need dimentions/outlet locations, etc.

Frank

[Drewfus]

Rogue, you know the answer, you just haven't seen it yet....

Consider the following parts:
- short radiator
- tubing going under the body to a 'recycled'(you did say budget) intercooler off a import turbo motor...
- electric water pump up to a water tank (to increase the water volume....think 20 litres) hidden under your seat( http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif) or under your 'bed'.
- water feed from tank back to the engine.

Obviously, the VOLUME has alot to do with the cooling issues, the exact amount will ultimately depend what you can fit....your cooling system does not have to be a 'belly button' unit/single radiator.

Cheers,

Drewfus

[Drewfus]

Rogue, have done some homework/book reading on 'thermal heat transfer' (the 'engineer' in me is coming out....)

Will do some maths for you if you can tell me what 'volume' of cooling water the core engine will actually hold (ie how much water will actually be in the block only, at any one time).

Cheers,

Drewfus