View Full Version : What body filler are you guys using?


Roothawg
01-29-2009, 09:15 AM
I am looking to change brands. I have always used 3M and I know that there have been some technological advances in fillers in the production shop lines.

So what are you swearing by now?

Special Ed
01-29-2009, 09:41 AM
Rage. Good stuff

djust
01-29-2009, 09:41 AM
Don't have alot of experience with it yet but rage extreme seems to be real easy to apply and sand.

Tman
01-29-2009, 09:44 AM
Rage, I used it on the T just getting back into paint and body work after a long hiatus. Really liked how it worked. Have a few smaller projects under my belt since then. Double bonus that my parts store now carries it so I can get it on Sunday even!

cody repp
01-29-2009, 09:47 AM
micro light

ruralrod
01-29-2009, 09:57 AM
great topic.. good to know.

Roothawg
01-29-2009, 10:02 AM
Rage is actually the one I was curious about.

Redcloud
01-29-2009, 10:06 AM
Rage

chaos10meter
01-29-2009, 10:54 AM
Rage

autobodyed
01-29-2009, 11:07 AM
make sure whatever brand you use, is stain free so it doesn't bleed thru your primer and paint. i always used rage until i was turned on to usc fuzion brand, it' s just as good for 1/2 the price. my guys love it, hardly any pin holes and does'nt stain. i've haven't had a problem with it at all in the last 6 months of using it. my 0.02

MattyB
01-29-2009, 11:10 AM
Rage Gold.

roddinron
01-29-2009, 11:11 AM
Which rage are you guys using, extreme or gold?

super plus
01-29-2009, 11:17 AM
make sure whatever brand you use, is stain free so it doesn't bleed thru your primer and paint. i always used rage until i was turned on to usc fuzion brand, it' s just as good for 1/2 the price. my guys love it, hardly any pin holes and does'nt stain. i've haven't had a problem with it at all in the last 6 months of using it. my 0.02
It's not the body filler that blends It's the hardner in it that makes it blend :mad:

super plus
01-29-2009, 11:18 AM
Oops:rolleyes:It's not the body filler that bleeds It's the hardner in it that makes it bleed :mad:

Squablow
01-29-2009, 11:19 AM
I put Rage against the machine. All my cars are filled with Rage. I like the regular stuff, not the Xtreem or whatever they call it. The fancy-pants shit seems to pinhole more, even though that's what it's designed not to do.

1950ChevySuburban
01-29-2009, 11:20 AM
Rage here too.

40StudeDude
01-29-2009, 11:24 AM
It's the amount of hardener you put in that makes it "stain" or bleed...it's NOT the bondo...mix it correctly and you won't have any problems with bleeding or staining...DO NOT mix way too much hardener to hurry it...

I use Rage Gold...

R-

REVEREND JAKE
01-29-2009, 11:29 AM
I like Rage Xtreme. It sands really good. It's more expensive than regular Rage. That's if I have my choice. Rage is good too.

Reverend Jake

srdart67
01-29-2009, 11:29 AM
LEAD!!!:D but most of the time rage gold. good stuff. very good stuff.

Moriarity
01-29-2009, 11:39 AM
I dont use body filler, I use polyester panel straightening compound

theHIGHLANDER
01-29-2009, 11:49 AM
I think the USC Kromate Light is hard to beat. Way less $$, almost never pinholes, never bleeds, sands easy, overall superior to Rage. It seems that this Rage line is indeed the latest "rage" in fillers but I don't see it. I have a 3gal tub here and it makes me miss my Kromate Light. It could be that I use very little filler in the work we do here, and my impression of Rage is that it's better for thicker builds.

chopt55bc
01-29-2009, 12:00 PM
trust me on this,TRY THE FUSION!!! its the best stuff i have ever worked with.

Roothawg
01-29-2009, 12:05 PM
Good info. Never heard of the USC. Wonder who carries it around here. I'll hafta call my supplier.

dawg
01-29-2009, 12:07 PM
rage is the best, and shark bite is a cost effective alternative...

MoparMan4GZUZ
01-29-2009, 12:08 PM
another vote for rage

55oldsrocket
01-29-2009, 12:10 PM
i just started using Evercoat
good stuff , very easy to sand.
anyone tried it?

Bluedscrewed&tattooed
01-29-2009, 12:11 PM
Rage, and all metal, all metal make you work for it though.

71buickfreak
01-29-2009, 12:11 PM
rage is nice, but it costs too much. I use dp170 from PPG. works great, costs less.

inliner54
01-29-2009, 12:12 PM
USC basecoat clearcoat

31aBoy
01-29-2009, 12:31 PM
Rage Gold here... I used Rage Extreme for a couple of years, but i have since went back to Rage Gold. It has a nice big "window" of time to work it before it fully hardens. Take some 36 grit on a long board and sand most of the excess off.. Works slick, especially on large jobs.

Then I use a "poly putty" over top. Work it with 80, spray with guide coat, and finish it out with 180.

8flat
01-29-2009, 12:46 PM
Another vote for Rage Gold.

OshkoshRob
01-29-2009, 12:52 PM
I'm still old "skool" I use Bondo......no,not really. I use bodylight, butmaybe i'll try the Rage stuff.

Rellim51
01-29-2009, 01:02 PM
trust me on this,TRY THE FUSION!!! its the best stuff i have ever worked with.

Bobby Alloway has good things to say about it also.

lodaddyo
01-29-2009, 01:04 PM
yep , Rage Gold here too

retroridesbyrich
01-29-2009, 01:10 PM
Rage Gold.

n1gzd
01-29-2009, 01:25 PM
i just started using Evercoat
good stuff , very easy to sand.
anyone tried it?

I used Evercoat last time (on my regular driver which I drive in the winter salt) and I agree that it is easy to sand. So far it has held up fine. It has only been about 2 years though.

Rebecca

Stick004
01-29-2009, 01:31 PM
i just started using Evercoat
good stuff , very easy to sand.
anyone tried it?

I like Evercoat. I tend to use the Metal2Metal filler anywhere that's not getting just glaze. sands easy, and seems to hold up so far.


I might look into Rage though, it's getting alot of praises here...

metalmike13
01-29-2009, 01:34 PM
Upol- Fiberall (over welds), USC Duraglass (where needed), Rage Gold(general filler work), and Evercoat Poly putty for a finish coat before primer. I worked in dealer body shops and resto shops and this is the combo that i have always used. Works good for me.

cleatus
01-29-2009, 01:45 PM
I like Evercoat Z-Grip.
Never tried Rage.
If anyone has experience with both, let me know if you think Rage is better & why.

autobodyed
01-29-2009, 02:10 PM
[quote=40StudeDude;3549175]It's the amount of hardener you put in that makes it "stain" or bleed...it's NOT the bondo...mix it correctly and you won't have any problems with bleeding or staining...DO NOT mix way too much hardener to hurry it...

i'm no chemist, but i'll tell you what i've learned over the years from experience.
using too much or even too little hardner is definitley the main cause of staining (recommended 2% hardner to 100% filler). stain free fillers usually have a better grade of resin, or just more resins that help absorb the benszoyl peroxide (hardner) and reduce the possibility of staining when painting lighter colors, such as silvers, white and light golds,blue and greens, especially when using today's basecoat/clearcoat systems. using a good grade primer with catalyst or hardner also reduces the chance of staining. i only recommended stain free, because beginners or people who don't know, won't spend $45.00 a gallon to learn about fillers and end up going for the cheap stuff, hate to see a novice buy cheap bondo only to have a problem down the road. you can say what you want, but i'm just telling you what i know, and been told by supply reps over the years. if stain free bondo is bullshit, why do they make it and label it as such? thanks, eddie

Sprcheese
01-29-2009, 02:15 PM
Rage gold, but only cause I got a gallon for free. I'll buy more when I run out. Not that my truck will need any :rolleyes:

Shaggy
01-29-2009, 02:16 PM
Rage, with a bit of supercharger in it, cover it in a skim of icing always and for extra insurance do welds with a skim of duroglass, 'cuz it's waterproof

hillbilly sedan
01-29-2009, 02:19 PM
I used the rage for a couple of years, and have been useing z-grip for a while now and cant tell any diference besides the z is cheaper and gives less pin holes

60'shotrod
01-29-2009, 02:23 PM
I'm gonna keep an eye on this, This rage stuff sounds like just what I'd be after, when it becomes time for the bodywork.

Rude Dude
01-29-2009, 02:26 PM
I like rage gold easy to work with and sands good

Theopwk
01-29-2009, 02:27 PM
Ive used Evercoat Z grip for years with no issues. I also just started using Smart, and it seems pretty good.

SlowandLow63
01-29-2009, 04:05 PM
Rage Gold for me. For the small stuff I use Evercoat Metal Glaze. Evercoat is a good quality brand, never had any problems.

chopt55bc
01-29-2009, 04:10 PM
[quote=40StudeDude;3549175]It's the amount of hardener you put in that makes it "stain" or bleed...it's NOT the bondo...mix it correctly and you won't have any problems with bleeding or staining...DO NOT mix way too much hardener to hurry it...

i'm no chemist, but i'll tell you what i've learned over the years from experience.
using too much or even too little hardner is definitley the main cause of staining (recommended 2% hardner to 100% filler). stain free fillers usually have a better grade of resin, or just more resins that help absorb the benszoyl peroxide (hardner) and reduce the possibility of staining when painting lighter colors, such as silvers, white and light golds,blue and greens, especially when using today's basecoat/clearcoat systems. using a good grade primer with catalyst or hardner also reduces the chance of staining. i only recommended stain free, because beginners or people who don't know, won't spend $45.00 a gallon to learn about fillers and end up going for the cheap stuff, hate to see a novice buy cheap bondo only to have a problem down the road. you can say what you want, but i'm just telling you what i know, and been told by supply reps over the years. if stain free bondo is bullshit, why do they make it and label it as such? thanks, eddie this guy sounds like he knows what the hell he's talkin bout!

Rusty Kustoms
01-29-2009, 04:25 PM
Rage gold is my personal favorite, I have used pretty much everything and many others work well also. I have used usc basecoat clearcoat with good results. The old 3m stuff is ok and the price is cheap, just don't use dynatron, around here it is marketed as 3m but it is really bondo. For a glaze I use usc icing, but they all work about the same.

K13
01-29-2009, 05:11 PM
For you guys that like Evercoat products and maybe those that don't take a look at this. www.evercoat.com (http://www.evercoat.com) It is Evercoats latest technology. It is a 10:1 mix ratio, epoxy enriched filler with different speed catalyst. It also sands twice as fast as any other filler on the market (you really have to try it to believe it but it does). The other cool thing about it is it has a tighter structure like putties so there is no need to skim coat it with putty if you normally do.

40stude dude is right about staining and and the reason that they put it on the can is that when the first generation of polyester fillers came on the marked they did bleed and stain quite a bit so when the technology advanced so that it was much less likely to happen it was a big deal so they made sure the cans said so. It's a feature that was very important before (not so much any more as all fillers are more stain resistant these days) but they just never stopped promoting the stain resistance.

HomemadeHardtop57
01-29-2009, 05:11 PM
rage gold and evercloat glaze..everyone's using it because it's the best shit out there.

super plus
01-29-2009, 05:15 PM
[quote=autobodyed;3549730] this guy sounds like he knows what the hell he's talkin bout!It's more the colour of the harder, stay away from the red shit :):rolleyes:

BRYANSAYER
01-29-2009, 05:17 PM
Marson platinum

K13
01-29-2009, 05:18 PM
[quote=chopt55bc;3550127]It's more the colour of the harder, stay away from the red shit :):rolleyes:

This is a myth there is no difference between red and blue hardeners other than the color. All they do is put a different dye in them.

Skrap metal
01-29-2009, 05:20 PM
just remember that metal2metal don't flex as well so not a good idea in areas where
flexing might happen.

evilone0528
01-29-2009, 05:22 PM
I use Rage Gold all day long.By that I mean on 2 or 3 cars a day,every day.In 6 years of business I have NEVER had a failure.

Just my 0.02....Hope it helps.

Evil

Tim G
01-29-2009, 05:24 PM
i remember when i first started working in a bodyshop 18 years ago pretty much all we had available was Upol P38... damn that shit was hard! used to have to knock it down with 40grit then 80 and finally 180 before priming. hoorah for modern technology and light weight minimum pinhole fillers... i wouldn't say a pleasure to work with but a damn sight easier than back then :)

the filler i'm using at the moment is a italian make i think, really good stuff... i'll check the label tomorrow.

VonDust
01-29-2009, 05:25 PM
[quote=super plus;3550312]

This is a myth there is no difference between red and blue hardeners other than the color. All they do is put a different dye in them.

I do agree. The only reason there are two different colors is just what the bodyguy prefers.
I've been using Z-Grip for years, it made by Evercoat. Not alot of pinholes... but you can help it alot more in how you spread it.

Stude-sled
01-29-2009, 05:33 PM
Rage gold for years, but I have switched to Evercoat Quantum (part #450). Its a little higher but sands better.

wfo guy
01-29-2009, 06:16 PM
Simple question. If you seal with epoxy primer after bondo, does it make any difference about staining?

ken1939
01-29-2009, 06:19 PM
usc clear coat

Roothawg
01-29-2009, 06:23 PM
OK, another preference question. Plastic spreaders or the spring steel ones? I like the steel ones but I have both.

RoadsterRod1930
01-29-2009, 06:28 PM
Z-Grip.

SlowandLow63
01-29-2009, 06:31 PM
OK, another preference question. Plastic spreaders or the spring steel ones? I like the steel ones but I have both.

Plastic by far. And invest in a few mixing boards, they really are worth it.

cleatus
01-29-2009, 06:45 PM
I use my old windshield glass for a mixing board.
You can use a scraper on it & easily get it back down to the glass so you always mix on a clean surface.

bbc 1957 gasser
01-29-2009, 06:54 PM
rage is good but costs alot if you are useing alot 40 50 bucks a can can hurt i use evercoats z grip its about 25 bucks a gallon and when they run it on sale i buy it buy the case for 60 bucks id put it up next to rage any day its made by the same company ...

rage can go over galvanized ..but to me dont have very good build

morrison is a good final filler super smooth and sands like a dream ..

smartshoppers is the cheapest place for rage filler ..

32fivewindow
01-29-2009, 07:07 PM
Try the eastwood lead kit...once you ge the hang of it you will never go back!

super plus
01-29-2009, 07:08 PM
[quote=super plus;3550312]

This is a myth there is no difference between red and blue hardeners other than the color. All they do is put a different dye in them.
They are the same but the red will bleed under light colours No Myth:):)

K13
01-29-2009, 07:20 PM
[quote=K13;3550319]
They are the same but the red will bleed under light colours No Myth:):)


It still shouldn't bleed if used properly. Is the filler being sealed before base coat is being applied? I would be willing to bet that the blue is bleeding as well if you are getting bleed it is just not as obvious due to it's lighter color.

55chieftain
01-29-2009, 07:24 PM
Another z-grip user, I also use duraglas here and there under the z-grip

carcrazyjohn
01-29-2009, 07:34 PM
You guys will think im crazy but i shop at a national store here in town they dropped their bondo line and replaced it with cargroom its a light weight easy sanding filler . Ive used the entire product line fiberglass long and short strand nice to work with . Hope it holds up. Iget a good deal way cheaper than the name brands.. carcrazyjohn

eric15739
01-29-2009, 09:14 PM
I have been working at a body shop for some years and when they came out with the light weight fillers all brands were better than what we had been using. After going through many brands all of the body guys seem to like shark bite ultra premium filler including myself. It sands easer and doesn’t get on the paper. If you’re finishing it off with 80 grit you can then sand the filler down easy with 150 eliminating the need of a glaze coat to get rid of the 80 grit sanding scratches. This saves on time and materials.

Glen
01-29-2009, 09:48 PM
My guys switched from Rage to Platinum about two years ago. I dont care which they use the price is close enough.....

We got some samples of U-pol's new fillers last month and they seem to like the filler and icing product.

publicenemy1925
01-29-2009, 10:19 PM
Like the Rage. Rage gold is good too. Not a fan of marson platinum. Personal preference. I use steel speaders, plastic ones for heavy curves. I also use evercoat Metal Glaze for light work and pinholes. You can pm anytime if you have any questions.

Itsa48Ford
01-29-2009, 10:49 PM
I have used both and found the regular rage is great, the extream not worth the extra price

layedout49
01-29-2009, 11:26 PM
there are alot of options imo . i started with platinum and platinum plus. they are great. lately ive been using the rage gold. works about the same or is comparable to plat. plus.

using honey or a plastic thinner also helps even the harder fillers like z grip or other brands.

the x grip from dynatron(i think) is cheap and looks and sands kinda the same as rage gold and plat. plus

another thing is mixing glaze and filler. helps sometimes. . . sorry lot of info but . .

i dont like using 36 or 40 unless its on a huge area and alot of filler is spread. i do most work starting at at 80, then 120 then 180 and prime

39 Ford
01-29-2009, 11:31 PM
Rage gold

super plus
01-30-2009, 12:07 AM
[quote=super plus;3550784]


It still shouldn't bleed if used properly. Is the filler being sealed before base coat is being applied? I would be willing to bet that the blue is bleeding as well if you are getting bleed it is just not as obvious due to it's lighter color.
No I used to base right over filler & bear metal, Come on:rolleyes:

Chaoticcustoms
01-30-2009, 12:46 AM
wow. Im really surprised at the lack of marson platinum users. Its kinda hard to find ive noticed. thats what we use in the shop i started in. I used it before but then couldnt get it thru my supplier anymore. At the old shop id use Evercoat lightweight...14dollar a gallon shit, 36 grit to rough it in then id go over with the rage extreme. I liked the extreme because if you mix it right on your board you wont get pinholes and it sands awesome. The problem i had with the rage is that it doesnt want to stick on a vertical surface if you have to do a little thicker say over an eighth inch thick, which is still plenty, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do right? But in all honesty, i was a firm rage guy till i tried marson, i dare anyone here to use it. Bang for the buck its awesome, i dont even think its over 20 a gallon. It sands about like rage but as soon as you squeez your filler in tight then go over it, it likes to hold the side better. And for the plastic vs metal. each has their place in my book. And you can go over the sanded paint with the marson which imo helps alot with feathering the filler alot. The end.

Chopped50Ford
01-30-2009, 01:23 AM
Rage Gold. Nothing less. Dont sell yourself short. Use the best products; your only looking at $10-$15 per gallon more. ITS WORTH IT.

Oldsmopile
01-30-2009, 02:16 AM
Upol- Fiberall (over welds), USC Duraglass (where needed), Rage Gold(general filler work), and Evercoat Poly putty for a finish coat before primer. I worked in dealer body shops and resto shops and this is the combo that i have always used. Works good for me.

What he said. That is an excellent combo, been using it for a long time. Another alternative if you have a Keystone (used to be Nordan) supplier around. All there "Keystone" fillers are made by evercoat. Its good stuff for a little less money.

Roothawg
01-30-2009, 07:03 AM
So explain the icing product Glen.

Glen
01-30-2009, 08:11 AM
So explain the icing product Glen.

Sorry, its the product used after filler, it is thin like cake icing, easy to spread and helps blend out the filler, fill pin holes etc. Evercoat makes one called metal glaze and one called easy sand either will work, it helps you feather out the filler, especially if you are new to the game, you can get really close with filler then add a skim coat of the metal glaze which is thinner and easier to spread. Most of it ends up in the floor after sanding.

top it off with a high build surfacer primer and you can block it nice and straight.

Rage seems like it is the most popular, you wont be dissapointed.

ST. 515
01-30-2009, 08:43 AM
I like Evercoat Z-Grip.
Never tried Rage.
If anyone has experience with both, let me know if you think Rage is better & why.

I've used both, and they are great fillers. I've never had any problems with them. Z-Grip is my everyday filler and Rage is for the high-end customers. For those hot Texas summer days add a little fiberglass resin to your filler, about 10:1. It will not change the way it sands, but will extend the spread time.

-Saint

ST. 515
01-30-2009, 08:51 AM
Rage Gold. Nothing less. Dont sell yourself short. Use the best products; your only looking at $10-$15 per gallon more. ITS WORTH IT.

WHAT!!! :eek: $10-$15 per gallon!!!!! Here in houston, I'm paying $22 per gallon for Z-Grip and $40-$50 per gallon for the Rage products and I'm getting the best prices in town. Maybe, I need to order it online. :confused:

-Saint

BenW455
01-30-2009, 11:46 AM
Another vote for rage gold.

54Caddy
01-30-2009, 12:09 PM
Ive used rage gold. It works great real easy to work. Been usning that product for my cadillac and the truck im currently doing, good stuff.

Shaggy
01-30-2009, 12:10 PM
Here is a test to consider,

mix up a couple cups of filller and let them dry, check which shrinks most, then consider that a filler will tend to set up a little bit more even after you get paint on the car.

SlowandLow63
01-30-2009, 04:31 PM
No I used to base right over filler & bear metal, Come on:rolleyes:

I don't know if you know this or not, but usually when you make a mistake as dumb as that, you keep it to yourself. Food for thought.

SlowandLow63
01-30-2009, 04:37 PM
Where do you guys buy Rage?

I either get it from my local paint supply if I'm in a pinch, tcpglobal.com, or smartshoppersinc.com.

They are all so close in price that it ends up not mattering in the end. Even if I get it locally, the price ends up being close to the internet price with shipping. Chain stores really won't have it, its a little higher end.

K13
01-30-2009, 04:47 PM
[quote=K13;3550839]
No I used to base right over filler & bear metal, Come on:rolleyes:


Well you are doing something wrong if your fillers are bleeding throught to your top coat. Just trying to help.

blkcat77
01-30-2009, 04:52 PM
Rage Gold + Rage extreme

Seems to me rage extreme is a whole lot lighter than rage gold. It also levels itself pretty well without pinholes.

Last time I used evercoat glaze it shrunk a lot. I guess I did something wrong but I sure wouldn't use it again.

super plus
01-30-2009, 05:59 PM
I don't know if you know this or not, but usually when you make a mistake as dumb as that, you keep it to yourself. Food for thought.
Oh!:eek: wait a minute we painted the car first then we put on the Bondo or hide a wobble, Ya thats what we did :cool:

lesabre59
01-30-2009, 06:04 PM
Plastic by far. And invest in a few mixing boards, they really are worth it.

I gotta disagree..I found metal to leave less pin holes, easier to clean plus platic can get deformed easier and leave streaks in the filler..JMO!

Speedmaven
01-30-2009, 11:29 PM
I like Rage Gold or Extreme, whichever I can get locally...Pricey, but worth it.

MERRELL
01-30-2009, 11:47 PM
rage gold....

Chaoticcustoms
01-31-2009, 02:33 AM
Rage Gold + Rage extreme

Seems to me rage extreme is a whole lot lighter than rage gold. It also levels itself pretty well without pinholes.

Last time I used evercoat glaze it shrunk a lot. I guess I did something wrong but I sure wouldn't use it again.

glaze isnt ment for filling, and probably dont wana put it over anything less than 150 scratches. Ive had shrinking issues and a buddy of mine used it for filler. I try and just use the rage extreme instead of the glaze. Really no reason for it if your using extreme. I hate glaze btw..

chad
06-25-2009, 04:41 PM
I know this is an old post but...I have always used Rage but I recently tried the Fuzion and its as good if not better than the Rage for half of the cost

bigern007
06-25-2009, 07:32 PM
Rage premium gold,,,,,,,,nice stuff

PUTRID FAME
07-27-2009, 10:26 AM
rage gold

herbet99
09-14-2010, 12:52 PM
I recently tried Martin CUZ (I think). Seems to work fine and you can get it at Napa

Rex Stallion
03-25-2011, 01:01 PM
I am by no way a pro but I have done a fair bit of my own work. I like the Evercoat line. I use the short strand filler over welds, Rage Gold over that , and metal to metal glaze over that. I use Slick Sand overall the fillers,and top everything off with Epoxy sealer . It works for me, my local supplier stocks everything so I am good to go . The labor in sanding and prep is the same weather you use a cheap product or the right stuff so why not spend a few extra bucks and be safe with a product line you can trust.
Rex

davis574ord
03-25-2011, 01:12 PM
I have been using rage gold since it came out, easy sanding and hardly any pin holes as long as you mix it right! Kinda pricey but you get what you pay for, i fixed a van 1/4 panel and the whole thing was filler, insurance company to cheep to replace it, and a month later it was rear ended really hard, and the filler folded up with the metal and didnt even crack! Good stuff as far as im concerned! Good luck!

Master of None
03-25-2011, 01:24 PM
Another one using Rage gold. Once you use it, its had to go back to the cheaper stuff.