View Full Version : 289 oil pan clearance with MII crossmember??


tinmann
01-23-2009, 10:47 PM
Yeah, I tried a search..... a friend of a friend is at the point of giving up trying to get a 289 Ford to clear a MII crossmember. I know there's an oil pick up/ oil pan interchange that will make this happen .... my mind is drawing a blank..... Bronco maybe?

Help!!! (please)

KreaturesCCaustin
01-23-2009, 10:52 PM
That's kind of ironic. Mustang IIs came with small blocks. You'd think it would drop in with no issues, even on an aftermarket front end.

chevyshack
01-23-2009, 10:57 PM
maybe you can change motor mounts? Where is it hitting? Front, back? Maybe you can shave alittle off the pan to make it clear the cross member.

johnmondy
01-23-2009, 10:58 PM
This should help you out- You need this dual sump pan that's what I used

http://www.rcmotorsports.net/25Link.html

Thanks, John

hotrod-Linkin
01-23-2009, 10:58 PM
go to summit and get a pan and pickup tube opposite of what you have.it should be a nice fit after that.
if you have a front sump get a rear,if you have a rear get a front.

Mr48chev
01-23-2009, 11:00 PM
I believe the trick is to use an early Bronco 302 pan and pickup.

FORD FAN
01-24-2009, 07:50 AM
5.0 Mustang oil pan and oil pump pickup. Thats what I used on my '65 Cyclone with R&C Mustang II front end kit. It's the same as the oil pan kit they sell.

junkyardjeff
01-24-2009, 10:34 AM
Trucks from 80 to 96 have rear sump pans and vans from 75 up do too,79 to 91 crown vics and the fox body with the double sump should work.

Fiddytree
01-24-2009, 11:16 AM
Believe this is the way to go. Ford sells these double sump pans for 302s and 460s - its what i used for my 460/mII setup.

5.0 Mustang oil pan and oil pump pickup. Thats what I used on my '65 Cyclone with R&C Mustang II front end kit. It's the same as the oil pan kit they sell.

HOT40ROD
01-24-2009, 11:46 AM
Any rear sump pan for a 302 will work. all the mustang since the mustang II were rear sump. Bronco alot of newer cars with rack steering also used that pan. 4X4 ford truck used either a rear or mid sump pan which would also work. Just make sure you have the Pickup tube to match the pan. You will also need to main bolt with the stud on it to fasten the pickup tube.

lostn51
01-24-2009, 12:03 PM
Dual sump pan like the Fox bodied mustangs have in them will be perfect. The pan is actually shallower that a single sump pan so you dont have to worry about wacking a hole in it because you car is lowered.

39 All Ford
01-24-2009, 12:17 PM
Here is a $100.00 solution....


I used an 8 quart of similar configuration to clear my "mustang like" crossmember... I have about 1" clearance from the oil plug on the front sump.

Your friend might need to raise the engine a little, (I did not) but it is easy to raise a SBF. Since their mounts bolt to the block in a straight up verticle manner, the engine can be raised with well built spacers really easy.

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=FMS%2DM%2D6675%2DA50&N=700+4294925232+4294908331+4294840126+4294889096+ 4294839075+4294908282+4294924755+4294862852+115&autoview=sku

http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/fms-m-6675-a50_w.jpg

36-3window
01-24-2009, 12:21 PM
That's kind of ironic. Mustang IIs came with small blocks. You'd think it would drop in with no issues, even on an aftermarket front end.

that would depend on what car the Mustang II IFS is installed in.

if you look at car's of the 20's and early 30's , you will notice that in their original configuration that the motor was placed well behind the centerline of the front suspension . so in a `32 Ford the mustang II crossmember usually doesn't interfere with any oil pan regardless of the motor. in my `28 tudor , there is at least 5-6 inches from the front of the engine block to the centerline of the front suspension

in 1935 , Ford started moving the motor more towards the front suspension..in fact the front of the motor was over the front crossmember/spring and axle. the ford flathead V-8 had a rear sump oil pan that cleared it.....so does the SBC in my `36 ford. most small block ford engines have a front sump , which makes it a pain to install in `35-`48 fords

in the `49 ford is just did , i noticed that the original flathead motor was even farther forward and about centered over the front suspension . the stock front suspension crossmember had a funny shape to it to clear the flathead rear sump oil pan....i have no idea how you could put a small block ford motor with a front sump in a shoe box ford with the original front suspension

in the `49 , i installed an aftermarket Mustang II IFS...and the sump of the oil pan on the SBC fit just fine behind the crossmember , but it occurred to me that a small block ford with a front sump would probably clear to the front of the crossmember

tinmann , out of curiosity what car is this in?

tinmann
01-24-2009, 02:52 PM
Once again..... HAMB to the rescue. Thanks to all for your knowledge shared.