Sports cars, lister, AC cobra, Sunbeam Tiger.... [Archive]

gettingreasy

10-22-2003, 04:47 AM

Since my T body for my sixties show rod fell through I've done some thinkin. American v8's in light little cars and screamin around a road track is fun, so why not just build one! I have always loved the lister's beutiful lines and have always wanted one(but I'm poor). I would like to know some oppinions about some of these purpose built race cars. What should be on my must have list and what to steer clear of(besides a SBC cause I got a 283 that needs a home). I was even contemplating putting a SBC in a 59 Triumph Spitfire that a freind has. Is there a company that makes a cheap fiberglass lister repop body, or something similar? I would like to build an early style(narrow fender 260 powered)Cobra to.
-Jesse

LIMEY

10-22-2003, 10:55 AM

If i had a choice i'd forget the Spitfire & go with the Sunbeam, get a cheaper Alpine & throw the big motor in, i don't know about Tiger prices over there but they are high here......if you ever see one that is!

DrJ

10-22-2003, 11:07 AM

I had a Sunbeam Alpine that the engine died on and was going to put a V8 in it but someone vandalized it and stole parts off it making it not worth the bother.
To V8 an Alpine you need to change theentire steering over to a rack& pinion because the steering went across between the engine and the firewall, right where the V8 needs to go. Most guys swapped in an entire MGB front suspension. One more thing, a SBCs rear distributor would end up under the cowl vent.
Ford'sfront distributor fits Alpines.
Shelby built the Tiger and the Cobra you know....

I don't remember Triumph building the Spitfire ( the one that they built in the late 60's anyway) as early as '59.
If I was going to put a SBC in one I'd look for the Triumph Stag, (sort of a stretched Spitfire) which came with a V8 already.

I think Beck builds a version of a Lister in glass, probably be $10,000+ for a kit.
There's a Metro in Scotsdale with a SBC in it but it's mechanically virtually a FadT chassis with the metro body on it instead of a T body on it.
Glen has a friend, with a Fiat 500 with a SBC in it.
I got to ride in it...
It's not for people who don't like rollercoasters!
The MG-T series and MGA, and Triumph TR-3 and TR-4 and TR-6's have separate frames to mount just about anything on where a lot of the other cars like MGB are uni-body and don't like being "opened up" for engine room. The Aluminum Buick V8 has been successfully shoehorned into a MGB and I saw one with a SBF in it but it ws mounted so high a hood wouldn't go on it.

Datsun/Nissan 240Zs, there's bolt in kits for SBCs for them.

Then there's passing Phoenix smog laws....
Is there a year cut off that's exempt?
It's no fun jumping hoops every time you have to smog cert modified cars, having to convince the testers that your car IS legal (and making it legal) so if possible go for a car that's outside your local smog cert. requirements.

Guys were putting SBCs in Austin Healeys (big cars and Sprites) back in the 50s so hotrodding a sportscar IS traditional hotrodding!

metalshapes

10-22-2003, 11:40 AM

Dont do the Spit! I've seen one done, they modified the original frame to make the SBC fit and cut it up so much, it was basicly a piece of angle iron in places (instead of the box it started out as) The rear suspention was beefed upwith Jap parts, and the engine sat so high,they had me make a 6" tall bulge to cover the carb.
You did not say what year cars you are looking at, but how about a Alfa Spider? They can be really cheap, and they have good suspention and brakes. Or a Volvo P1800.
Isn't there a guy near PHX that makes Cheetah kits?

metalshapes

10-22-2003, 11:45 AM

Here is a better one.
Remember ElPolacko's Pics of that junkyard?
There was a '58 Berkley in those Pics. That would be the one to build!
Can somebody put those pics back up?

repoguy

10-22-2003, 11:54 AM

I'm with the Doc on the aluminum Buick 215.

My ex used to really dig old 60's Jags, and I used to ponder finding one with a bad motor (which isn't very difficult) and dropping the 215 in it. Mainly because I figured that it would be a little closer to the weight of the stock unit compared to a sbc, and going with a motor of similar weight wouldn't throw off the suspension dynamics as much as a heavier engine might.

Total speculation though, never did any actual research.

beatnik

10-22-2003, 11:57 AM

I was never into sports cars until a friend of mine kept telling me about ones he had built.
He's reliving his youth, and just finished this little Austin healey with blown and stroked 347.

http://photo.starblvd.net/~beatnik/6-3-2.jpg

http://photo.starblvd.net/~beatnik/6-3-3.jpg

He's had a Jag XKE w/SBF, another Healey with a Gurney Weslake SBF, a 55 T-Bird with a Blown Olds. He's always been a big influence on me, and I'm really digging them now. I looked into a Lister and some other fiberglass bodies, but I didn't see anything that was buildable on a budget.

Good Luck and keep us posted.

RPW

10-22-2003, 12:00 PM

Saved for the future I have a 61 Sunbeam Raiper... I´ve stored it when I was 12 years old back in 1976!
A Ford SB with Cobra apperance, an all new chassis but stock outside was my plans for it... Maybe it still is, time will tell!

flt-blk

10-22-2003, 12:23 PM

Sunbeam Tiger get's my vote, I love those.
I want to build a 27 T I can road race, don't have the
complete picture in my mind yet, probably Quad 4 power with
240Z independant rear. Not sure yet.
TZ

DrJ

10-22-2003, 12:43 PM

I've got a 240Z rear end with a Ford HA series flat 6 in my Model A I'm building.

Paul

10-22-2003, 12:57 PM

Sunbeam Tiger,

Smart, Maxwell Smart.

you will have to toss the T shirt and jeans and get one of those sporty hats and an ascott.

How about an Allard?

early Ford suspension and early Cad motor with a hand made body?

Paul

Creeper Larry

10-22-2003, 01:19 PM

How bout a car built like the Baldwin roadracers. They were all Ford chasis parts with a minimal body similar to Balkowski's Ol' Yeller. You could get a late 40s chasis for cheap and go that way for cheap. Alot cheaper then a Euro deal. It would haul ass with a 283 also. I saw a couple Baldwins run at Monterey Historics, they are really cool lookin. The ones I saw were flathead powered, and were runnin up with the Jags. Plus you would have plenty of room for everything. Just a thought, Larry

a/fxcomet

10-22-2003, 01:44 PM

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I'm with the Doc on the aluminum Buick 215.

My ex used to really dig old 60's Jags, and I used to ponder finding one with a bad motor (which isn't very difficult) and dropping the 215 in it. Mainly because I figured that it would be a little closer to the weight of the stock unit compared to a sbc, and going with a motor of similar weight wouldn't throw off the suspension dynamics as much as a heavier engine might.

Total speculation though, never did any actual research.

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SBF weighs 460lb stock. I shaved off about 62lb with aluminum heads, intake etc. Buick 215 weighs about 320lb. MGB 4 banger weighs about 335lb, and the SBC weighs about 575lb (stock). The SBF is a lot narrower than the SBC too.

Take a look at this: http://britishv8.org/swaps/index.htm .

Scribe

10-22-2003, 01:46 PM

Oh man, that Healy is awesome...

My father and uncle were really into stuffing american V8s into British cars for a while, my uncle had an AC Ace with a boss 302, which looked just like a flat fender Cobra with a wider grill opening. Unfortunately the prices of those cars are quite high now. My dad had an MGTD with a Chevy before I was born, apparently the door would pop open every time ya floored it from frame flex. He later dropped a 327 and Doug Nash 5-speed into an Austin Healy 100-4, which was a much better car than the MG but apparently still pretty crude. He says the suspension left something to be desired, especially with a huge chunk of american iron up front.

Personally, I'd go with the Austin Healy. They are still fairly available and affordable, as opposed to the AC cars which are pricey and rare. As DrJ mentioned, converting an Alpine into a Tiger isn't easy, as the suspension not only has to be changed, 1/3 of the motor has to go under the cowl... look at a Tiger and you'll see that the last four inches of the valve cover is milled down to fit. Changing plugs is also bitch. Beck does make a Lister kit, but its pricey.

I know of a few people who have stuffed aluminum 215 buicks into MGs, and apparently they fit pretty well. Since Rover used that motor for decades there are lots of parts available for them on the aftermarket, including an intake from edelbrock. Also, I know you already have they Chevy but from what I understand small block Fords fit better in most British cars because they are narrower. Finally, a friend of mine has a car he calls the "Alpo". Its a Sunbeam Alpine with an SVO Mustang drivetrain, including the turbo four motor, 5-speed trans, and four wheel disc brakes. It swapped right in, hauls butt, and maintained the factory 50/50 weight balance. The SVO came out of an insurance salvage yard for a few hundred bucks... just food for thought

Dan

av8

10-22-2003, 01:50 PM

The Devin was a nice-looking piece. A friend has a friend who has an originl body that was never used. He's in the process of making molds to knock out a few, all of which are spoken for. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Devins show up in Hemmings, and ten years ago you could pick one up for a few thou. Like all neat stuff today, they are pricey.

D Picasso

10-22-2003, 01:52 PM

don't overlook some of the early Fiberglas VW sportycar bodies, such as the Devin.

on the other hand, steer clear of the Bradley GT....yeg.

av8

10-22-2003, 01:54 PM

The Lister is for sure a handsome piece.

D Picasso

10-22-2003, 01:55 PM

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The Devin was a nice-looking piece. A friend has a friend who has an originl body that was never used. He's in the process of making molds to knock out a few, all of which are spoken for. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
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weird....musta posted at the same time. hunh!

av8

10-22-2003, 01:59 PM

For something really hairy looking there's the Cheetah.

D Picasso

10-22-2003, 02:03 PM

does anybody remember the Bocar?

wish I had a photo....it was a mighty beast.

Dan

10-22-2003, 02:03 PM

might be alittle o/t but does anyone have any other pics of the VW based sportscar/kit cars? They have always kinda interested me in a weird way...

av8

10-22-2003, 02:08 PM

My favorite sportsracer was the C2R Cunningham, first the prototype . . .

av8

10-22-2003, 02:13 PM

. . . and then the production car.

av8

10-22-2003, 02:20 PM

Ak's El Caballo is pretty basic, and has a great look, although it's a touch homely.

tommy

10-22-2003, 02:29 PM

I had a customer about 7-8 years ago bring in a 1958 Devin. It had the aluminum Buick V8. He added the original Buick turbo-charger and needed the exhaust run from the turbo back. I wanted that body real bad. The chassis was crap, but with a tubing frame and some nice suspension, it would make a fun car.

There is a local street Devin around here with a blown big block, but it looks like a Roth cartoon and not a real sports car.

I always loved the Kellison coupe. I had one once but my building skills weren't up to the task back then. Can't afford one now.

Baumi

10-22-2003, 02:37 PM

I like the idea of stuffing V8´s into small lightweight cars.Tom ,a friend of mine dropped a 327 Chevy with a Powerglide into his tiny Opel Kadett. He really races hell out of this little sucker. To improve his traction he used flood the trunk with water http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif (Since then I call his car " Fastest beer cooler in the world")
But then there was a problem with broken rear ends all the time. He decided to lock his rear up 100% by welding the axles together. The result was damn hard cornering but traction is alright now. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.konfederateklassiks.de/product_img/thumb/pth_engine.JPG

av8

10-22-2003, 02:44 PM

Here's what you could have done with the T body -- build a clone of Duff Livingston's TIHSEPA II sportsracer.

Baumi

10-22-2003, 02:45 PM

another POS pic http://www.konfederateklassiks.de/product_img/thumb/pth_frontnachher.JPG

Jeff Norwell

10-22-2003, 02:48 PM

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Oh man, that Healy is awesome...

I agree,A very good friend of mine has a 66 austin healey(3000) with a sbc(350 hp)rockcrusher 4 speed and a jag rear.....THAT THING IS SCARY!!!
He dropped by for a weekend and took me for a spin......135 mph pullin into 4th gear.....Its all set for road racin.......what a beast!!! Done right ,they make an awesome machine!...this was a popular setup in the mid sixties. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

av8

10-22-2003, 02:49 PM

This was the view of Duff's roadster that most of his competitors recall.

SatinBlack58

10-22-2003, 02:54 PM

Cool! I saw a TR6 with a 427 in it back in Oklahoma Nats in the 80's

DrJ

10-22-2003, 03:20 PM

By the way...
You are NOT going to be able to "just drop a V8 in an old sports car" for anywhere near as cheap as the most expensive T body out there.
Not an "old" sports car that's got enough left of it to drive anyway.
Unless you already have one...

gowjobs

10-22-2003, 03:45 PM

I know it's a Jap car, but seems like I've seen Datsun roadsters with V-8's in 'em once or twice. V-8 swaps in MGB-GT's (the coupes) were big in the '70s.

The guy in the next bay over from my buddy has a Tri-power 421 in his Devin with a TH-400 behind it... just finished putting a new radiator and a Kugel front end under it to replace the old Jag parts.
BTW: there are wide and narrow Devins... I prefer the wider ones.

gowjobs

10-22-2003, 03:48 PM

Shit... I forgot. Have you looked into a Locost? It's a Lotus Super Seven clone. There's a book available to build one yourself out of tubing and sheet for less than $3,000.00 complete, but some creativity and scrounging might get one done for less.

Do a search for Locost or Lo-Cost.

RPW

10-22-2003, 04:03 PM

That Austin Healey was wonderful. Magazine stuff indeed!

I like the Kellison too, I did spot this one in Sweden last summer, for sale...
http://www.ckos.org/temporary/kellison.jpg

But my aboslute favorite is the Bosley, a one-off Hemi-powered Hot Rod in a beatutiful sports car dress. A long time favorite (I grew up with sports cars...). Once featured in Hot Rod and Road & Track I was delighted too see it restored featured in Classic & Sports Cars June 2002 issue from where I snagged these photos.
http://www.ckos.org/temporary/Bosley1.jpg
http://www.ckos.org/temporary/Bosley2.jpg
http://www.ckos.org/temporary/Bosley3.jpg

av8

10-22-2003, 04:26 PM

This would not be a difficult style to build -- mostly flat panels.

gettingreasy

10-22-2003, 05:12 PM

It's just a thought I've been toying with for awhile. I'd probably build a tube frame with a mustang 2 front end. The body is my biggest hurdle($$$$), posibly a vw Karmen ghia thats been heavily modified,with the bottom cut out to accept the tube chassis, but they are pretty narrow so a widening may be in order. ol' Yeller is the car that sparked my interest in these cars. My dream is to own a SBC powered Healy, I have The book "Complete Guide To Engine Swapping" by tex smith and it shows the SBF and SBC engine swaps into the Healy.
-Jesse

gettingreasy

10-22-2003, 05:42 PM

Here's the first part of the chev article, lot of work but it would be damn cool.......

55olds88

10-22-2003, 06:41 PM

I'm sure some of the MGB's were factory fitted with the Buick/Rover V8, Stags are easy and very cool.
I think the SBC/Jag actually saves you weight.......
a panel beating tutor I had at the local technical inst made himself a Lister, very nice.....
Re the Lotus 7 replicas, heaps of them here, made good and cheap often with twin cam Toyota power.
I know when I shipped my car back there were little Pommy sports cars sitting outside the wreckers yard in Phoenix, was tempted to suggest they fill up the container with parts for all the rusty old wrecks here http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Brother Bob

10-22-2003, 06:45 PM

Funny this post should come up , I will be picking up two 70 Opel Gt's this weekend and one of em' is beggin' for a SBC! Opels can be found cheap enough, wadda bout an Opel? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Yes I'm serious about shoehornin' a SBC in a Opel.

cornfieldrodder

10-22-2003, 08:05 PM

Brother Bob, I've got an Opel GT factory sevice manual on Ebay right now. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Enough of my spam! Ive done sports cars before and....
Spitfire V8s are not good. A 60 degree v6 or a rotory is a good swap, though. MGBs can take an SBC but it won't handle very well with all that weight. MGB V8s were done at the factory. Buick V6s aree essentially the same swap with better aftermarket parts availability.
Triumph TR series cars are good candidates, especially 250s and 6s as they take a heavier engine originally. Healys are expensive, maybe 8000 for a good chassis. you could pick up an unfinished kit car version for much less and get better brakes, rear end, ect. With an SBF they weigh around 2000 lbs.
Most kits, exept failed projects, are not cheap. I don't know if you think 10k+ is cheap, but thats what alot of them cost. The locost thing can be found on the net. It is so very cool! A couple of guys in the web ring for them have done and give plan modifications for ther SBC rides.

metalshapes

10-23-2003, 07:12 PM

gettingreasy, would this work?
ebay # 2439148801

LIMEY

10-23-2003, 07:39 PM

My first day at work when i was 17 was working on an MGB Costello V8, Costello was the guy that shoehorned the Rover into the MGB, he used the V8 from a Rover P6 Coupe & had a bulge in the hood from front to back to clear the carbs, after that MG put it into production & used a lower manifold to keep the hood stock looking, the Costello was quicker than the MG version too.
Totally useless info but i remember that first day, the second day was a valve job on a Stag V8, that sucked too!

Judd

10-23-2003, 08:20 PM

Jessie
I have a friend here that has a custom built race coupe built as a back up car for a racing team but streetable for sale. Composite body designed in a wind tunnel blown 343 CU" ( if I remember correctly ) small block ford factory race motor 5 or 6 speed trans totaly adjustable race suspension. It will top 200 MPH corners like it's glued to the road and it'll whip a Tunderbird like it's standin still. LOL

Judd

22 track

10-30-2003, 10:00 PM

Here is a great site for sports cars with engine transplants. Especially check out the little car/ big engine conversion link for a wild variety of examples
.
http://britishv8.org/swaps/

Crease

10-31-2003, 12:01 AM

I've got a Sunbeam Tiger front end and set of motor mounts that will let you bolt a small block Ford into an Alpine. Actually, you'll have to do some sheet metal trimming, but that's about it. Bought it to hop up my Alpine, but sold the car a few years ago. You would need to come up with a 289, tranny, rearend (ford 8") and a rebuild kit to drop it all into an Alpine. It was out of a car that had been wrecked, but I've picked up replacements for anything that isn't perfectly straight.

Let me know if you have any interest.
Crease
Barons So Tex

beatnik

10-31-2003, 07:55 AM

Holy Shit, that's a great link,Thanks. My Buddy Dominic's orignal Healey is listed on there by the new owner #34 (http://www.ntahc.org/modifiedhealeys//Photos/34Delzer/Delzer1.htm) . He even mentions how it ruled the streets of Detroit between 67-72, that car spent a lot of time Street Racing on our local cruise spot Telegraph.

Revhead

10-31-2003, 10:21 AM

Beck makes thie lister kit and it starts at $14,500 for a frame bocy windshield and a few other things. You supply the drivetrain, electrical and C4 vette suspension.

Some of these "lightweight" original engines are not as light as you might think. The aluminum jag V12 weighs more than a 440 and a porsche 944 turbo engine weighs just a hair under an SBC.

here's some domestic engine info:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/7062/engine.html
some engine weights
http://www.team.net/sol/tech/engine.html
http://www.241computers.com/ford/ContentExpress20-30-38.html

or.. if you are nuts and got too much free time put a v12 in a corvair
http://www.corvaircorsa.com/V-12-01.html
there's some awesome fabrication on this car

Stevie G

10-31-2003, 10:37 AM

This one is different.
http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/feature/back_issues_01/feb_01/feb_01.shtml

48_HEMI

10-31-2003, 11:08 AM

Mike thanks for sharing all the neat stuff. I think Max and Ak did a great thing for the U.S.A. rodders http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Its all fair game, little car big motor. If it actually goes around corners too! Its even better.
I've ridden in a 327 powered bug eye sprite(just once thank you very much)
also a blown 327 A100 healy (that was fun)
Borrowed a friends sunbeam tiger, it seemed almost to civil.
these were all back in the 60's I'm sure that they would be much better today.
the BOCAR out of Colorado with the front mounted blower has always stuck in my mind as an ultimate driver.
I started building a 500 inch cad powered 914 porsche but some bastard talked me out of it before I got to drive it.never seen or heard of it again.
Theres a metro in Portland with a 454 that I see on the street all the time.
Kellison were awesum cars in the day, especially the black one that ran out of foothill speed center in Monrovia (I think it was Dave Carpenters).It was quicker and faster that Skip's 40 willy's (the owner of that speed shop)
I think that my all time favorite sport car type was a Maroon 54 Vette hardtop with a built 409 it was just to fuckin cool for words back in 63 http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Jim

purple

10-31-2003, 12:39 PM

<font color="purple"> Datsun roadsters. They are fairly cheap and go like hell with a V8. I have seen many at the Datsun shows. </font>

Flat Ernie

10-31-2003, 07:23 PM

I dropped a 302 & 5spd outta 85 Mustang GT into an Opel GT - ran like a raped ape. Drove it for a few weeks & then sold the drive train & scrapped the car.

Always liked the Opel GTs...getting pricey nowadays though...

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Nads

10-31-2003, 07:38 PM

I'm going to the vintage races at Daytona Speedway tomorrow.
I heard there's Devins, Sunbeams, Allards etc all over the place. I'll post pics when I get back.
Anybody got a 2.5 Daimler Hemi for sale?
I wanna stuff it in my '63 Ford Consul Capri.
Back in the 70s my friend and I painted a Dutton in black with Mirraflake over the top. It had a Rover/Buick 215 in it. The summbitch flat out hauled ass.
Goddammitt why didn't I take pictures of my English past?

Me? I'm a huge Ford Kent motor fan.

D Picasso

10-31-2003, 08:12 PM

I've been looking high and low for Bocar photos, and can't find 'em anywhere.
I know there was an old Popular Science that ran an article, probably late '50's, early '60's, but it escapes me.
car had high fender tops and canted quad lights, and looked really effective.

metalshapes

10-31-2003, 08:22 PM

Nads, can't help you with a Daimler Hemi, but it sounds like a cool project.
I had a '61 Consul Capri Classic, and I found a 2nd one I parted out for spares. I put a 1.6 X-Flow in it but it was still slow ( compared to the Falcon Sprint V8 I had at the time)
Sold it to a buddy who put it all back to original. Somebody told me there were only 11 sold in the States, Do you think thats right?

metalshapes

10-31-2003, 08:30 PM

Foiled, look for SCTA pics of a couple of years ago. Car # 3000. The guy races a Berkley now, and I worked on both of them...

Nads

10-31-2003, 08:48 PM

No shit metalshapes, tell me more?

The Consul Capri Classic is a misnomer though, the Classic was a different car, it was a 2 or 4 door sedan with a backwards sloping rear window like an Anglia. Over the years I've found a lot of literature on the Capris. They were officially sold in the US and I'm sure a whole lot more than 11 found buyers. They were expensive for what they were. Mine was sold new in Orlando by Paquette Motors. I bought mine from the original owner. I have a 1500 GT motor in mine, pre X flow. It came with the 1340 3 main bearing dog that overheated one day and gave out. Luckily I found a donor car with the other engine. That car was a rust bucket from hell, I gave it away to the US serviceman that originally imported it in the 70s. Long story.
I still have mine, I love her to death. She's down now, clutch problems, but she'll be back.

Do you have any pictures of your car? I'd love to see it.

A while back there was an Apollo parked in a driveway for years in south Orlando. I'm pretty sure it was 215 Rover/Buick powered. It was red and it had wire wheels. I never thought about enquiring about it, then one day it was gone.
That would have been a great car to own.

Gawd I love it when the HAMB goes off into tangents about sportscars and other shit that's not 'traditional.'

metalshapes

10-31-2003, 09:03 PM

So the H/T Coupe was the Capri And The Post car was the Classic? I had a H/T ( roof line sorta like a P1800 Volvo)
It came with the 1340 engine that I replaced with a Kent out of a 1st year Pinto, they sold them that way but that engine was not as strong as the 1600GT I had in the MK1 Escort Estate that was my towcar in the old country.
I still have some cool pics of the Capri, and now you are going to make me be nice to my G/F so she will post them for me, aren't you?