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yblockhead
01-02-2009, 09:29 PM
its going on the back of my '41 tudor.....be interesting to know where it came from.

your humble srvt,
yblockhead

TP
01-02-2009, 09:40 PM
I think it was nose art on a WWII bomber. May not be where it originated though.

leon renaud
01-02-2009, 10:21 PM
its going on the back of my '41 tudor.....be interesting to know where it came from.

your humble srvt,
yblockhead
I have had my Avatar decal since 1958 don't know when Lady Luck originated though.

Humble SRVT I'm going to take a big guess and say Living History is also a past time of yours as well

Kustom7777
01-02-2009, 10:22 PM
i think it originated in the 50s as a good luck mascot for race car drivers

The37Kid
01-03-2009, 01:13 AM
There were 17 different B-17 bombers with that name, sorry I don't have any photos. Three Lady Luck II, and one Lady Luck III, guess the first one or two weren't.

23 bucket-t
01-03-2009, 01:29 AM
I just google Lady Luck and came up with this on ebay it is a Lady Luck hat pin the same picture you have http://cgi.ebay.com/WWII-NOSE-ART---LADY-LUCK----HATPIN-**LAST-ONE**--_W0QQitemZ110327728665QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ2008121 8?IMSfp=TL081218111002r3682

yblockhead
01-03-2009, 01:50 AM
yeah, that image is all over google images.. if you look at the one i posted, its got a little squiggle that looks like somebodies signature, but i cant read it at all....

bummer.


your humble srvt.,
yblockhead

Insane 1
01-03-2009, 02:27 AM
The idea has been around for...shall we say for a little while...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortuna

But yes I wonder just exactly where that particular image came from myself.

Randomrodder
01-03-2009, 02:32 AM
I recall seeing it at the Oval tracks when I was 8, so that's at least 50 years ago.

Q
01-03-2009, 02:37 AM
Google "Lady Luck nose art" and select Images to get a bunch of WWII bombers named Lady Luck.

The first picture here looks a bit like your girl. It is from B-17G-70-DL---- 44-6964, "Lady Luck", 91st Bomb Group / 322nd Bomb Squadron

http://www.usaaf-noseart.co.uk/ladyluck2.jpg

This one looks even more like her. It was on B-24 Serial # B-24J-CO named "LADY LUCK II"
http://www.b24adlibs.com-a.googlepages.com/LadyLuckII.jpg/LadyLuckII-custom;size:595,881.jpg

Another that looks like your image.... This aircraft belonged to the commander of VPB-111 in late 1944 whilst Lt. Cdr. J.V. Barry was the 'PPC'. The PBY4-1 also carried the AAF serial 44-41279. It flew for the first time on July 1944, and was delivered to the Navy eight days later.

http://www.historysaver.com/assets/noseart/b24ladyluck.jpg


http://www.mrprophead.com/b29/ladyluc.jpg

http://www.oldcmp.net/Images/Aircraft/noseart/ladyluck.jpg

http://www.warwingsart.com/12thAirForce/LadyLuckDad&Devine.jpg

RichG
01-03-2009, 03:07 AM
http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr52/rgallegos88/b24.jpg

This image is from the site http://www.historysaver.com/noseart/b24.html

to quote: "This aircraft belonged to the commander of VPB-111 in late 1944 whilst Lt. Cdr. J.V. Barry was the 'PPC'. The PBY4-1 also carried the AAF serial 44-41279. It flew for the first time on July 1944, and was delivered to the Navy eight days later."

49ratfink
01-03-2009, 03:13 AM
George Barris drew it.:D

HATED1
01-03-2009, 11:15 AM
I have had my Avatar decal since 1958 don't know when Lady Luck originated though.

Humble SRVT I'm going to take a big guess and say Living History is also a past time of yours as well

i have that same decal and i also have it tattooed on my arm minus the dice in the skulls eyes. a friend found a whole box full of decals in an old closed down auto parts store in atlanta about ten years ago. they were all fifties vitage decals. cool to see someone else with one....

yblockhead
01-03-2009, 11:59 AM
That specific image had to be pretty well known in '43 or '44 then....
Its on the Ed Roth clothing page, but that looks like a redo of the original image.
Mooneyes USA has the sticker , too.....

hmmm

leon renaud
01-03-2009, 02:15 PM
i have that same decal and i also have it tattooed on my arm minus the dice in the skulls eyes. a friend found a whole box full of decals in an old closed down auto parts store in atlanta about ten years ago. they were all fifties vitage decals. cool to see someone else with one....my decal was purchased at Waterford Speedbowl in Waterford Ct. I'm pretty sure the summer of 58 I know i was 5 and I had to spend my allowance for 2 weeks which totalled 1$ I wanted that decal BAD it's a little worn but is in a photo Album and has never been app0lied to anything.It's packed right now but the decal company logo has a little Imp cartoon face.

leon renaud
01-03-2009, 02:17 PM
That specific image had to be pretty well known in '43 or '44 then....
Its on the Ed Roth clothing page, but that looks like a redo of the original image.
Mooneyes USA has the sticker , too.....

hmmmI agree for that many planes to have almost the same image it had to be well known before the war.I wonder how many tanks carried that image as well

Rich Venza
01-03-2009, 02:19 PM
The question remains...did the Air Force guys pick it up from the pre-war racers OR did post war racers bring it home from WWII?

My gut feeling it was around before WWII

Muttley
01-03-2009, 03:31 PM
......logo has a little Imp cartoon face.

The company is named Impko.

http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:L6runFN7l5kE1M:http://www.impko.com/Impko%2520mascot%2520big.jpg

Little Wing
01-03-2009, 03:33 PM
Thought it started out as Tattoo flash ,,Sailor Jerry or something like that

DRUGASM
01-03-2009, 03:42 PM
i had the curse of lady luck. put the sticker on one of my rides and the water pump went out, the second pump was no good from the box, and while i was replacing the 2nd pump i got a call from a place i had been given a job and they said they didnt need me anymore.

left the sticker on though,...just weird it all happened the day the sticker went on.

i got mine at either March Meet or GG Pleasanton.

yblockhead
01-03-2009, 05:32 PM
im beginning to think it was an IMPKO sticker.. the skull one is on here:
http://www.imageinvention.com/impko.html

ptabakaru
01-03-2009, 05:43 PM
Here is a cool link if you want to hear a B17 (nothing in the world has that sound)
the Memphis Belle would sometimes do a fly over our house when she used to fly from CT to Nashua NH. You could hear her coming and know just what it was.:D

Da Injun
01-03-2009, 08:41 PM
The company is named Impko.

http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:L6runFN7l5kE1M:http://www.impko.com/Impko%2520mascot%2520big.jpg

That's the name on the ones I have.

Bad Bob
01-03-2009, 08:49 PM
I've got a real-life version of that sticker,hahaha....

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/BadBob_2006/Bad%20Bob%202009/primernatsautozonecarshow130.jpg

pastlane
01-03-2009, 09:04 PM
It started as nose art like others here have said. IMPKO (imprint art product company I believe) made them as water decals starting in the early to mid 60's. Spot Enterprises made felt patches as far back as the late 50's. Back in the late 70's/early 80's I reproduced them as a sticker. Now everyone is making them (the first image in this thread is a T-shirt transfer from JFP International). I still have a lot of original waterslides in many different sizes & styles, 3 different stickers and some embroidered patches as well. All stuff left over from the glory days of Past Lane Auto.

I'm working on cleaning out the back room, doing inventory. Getting ready for a major sale of all the posters, original & repro decals, patches and other crap I used to offer through the catalog.

spooler41
01-03-2009, 09:08 PM
When I was a young one,1952 I was11,I had a 1944 Pesco calender , each page had a different piece of WW2 nose art. Lady Luck was one of my favorites, each was tied to a group & squadron. I've searched for a copy of that thing for 50 years and haven't found another one.

.........Jack

Marcy
01-03-2009, 09:22 PM
Definitely around before nose art. Earliest decal I have seen was copyrighted in 1939




Marcy

DocWatson
01-03-2009, 09:34 PM
I really wish I could recall all the details, but in my passion for WWII aircraft I read a story about an aircraft that was believed to be the first 'Lady Luck', all I remember is that an 'at the time' well known artist did the design for the bomber, it was the first 'Lady Luck' as we all know her now.
The story may be in either the book, 'Cowboys of the sky' or 'Nose art of WWII', both bloody good books.
Doc.

ptabakaru
01-04-2009, 03:31 PM
Here is a cool link if you want to hear a B17 (nothing in the world has that sound)
the Memphis Belle would sometimes do a fly over our house when she used to fly from CT to Nashua NH. You could hear her coming and know just what it was.:D


Sorry the link didn't take here it is again

http://www.soundboard.com/sb/B_17_Bomber_Sounds.aspx

ts086
11-06-2010, 02:39 AM
its going on the back of my '41 tudor.....be interesting to know where it came from.

your humble srvt,
yblockhead

I know where this "Lady Luck" came from, it was the nose art on my uncles B-24. The plane was part of the 8th Air Force, 2nd Air Division, 446th Bomb Group and stationed at Bungay Air Field, 3 miles SW of Bungay, England. Below are some pictures, my uncle is back row first on the left.
http://www.angelstouch.info/LADYLUCK-V7-2.jpg
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/jal_attachments/5/5/7/8/7/567130.thumb?d=1230953341
If you notice the original and the new deacal the whole thing is reversed, but it's the same gal
http://www.angelstouch.info/Lady%20Luck.jpg

Below is the crew reunion sometime in the late 80's
http://www.angelstouch.info/Lady%20Luck%20Reunion.jpg

I think it's nice that the plane live on .....on the side of "Hot Rods"

big bad john
11-06-2010, 05:25 AM
...........Don't know.......sure looks good on my 39 ford coupe....by the way....."Great thread" and great pictures of the B-17's

40fordtudor
11-06-2010, 05:50 AM
I think it was nose art on a WWII bomber. May not be where it originated though.

that was my first thought--40fordtudor

DocWatson
11-06-2010, 06:05 AM
Man I can't believe people would use an image with no idea where it came from. Arbitrarily using military insignia could wind you up in a shallow hole!

Doc.

ts086
11-09-2010, 04:46 PM
When you think about it.....most of the U.S. Planes had some kind of thing painted on the side of the aircraft from fighters to bombers from missions flown to aerial kills, unlike the English.
http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gregkrenzelok/noseart.jpg

Even observation planes were decorated

http://www.heritageflight.org/images/Aircraft%20Photos/L13_001130_nose_art.jpg

Tom

Gigantor
11-09-2010, 05:23 PM
ts086 - thanks for sharing those pics.

Francisco Plumbero
11-09-2010, 05:43 PM
This girl looks a lot like an early Olive Oyl or something from the guy who did Felix the cat, a lot of similar features. Who did Felix? Who did Olive? Also who did the wood pecker? The early Woody that was used with the cigar? I think we can find her, we just have to figure out where the bomber artists first saw her.

Atwater Mike
11-09-2010, 06:41 PM
Also who did the wood pecker? The early Woody that was used with the cigar?

Walter Lantz was the original artist for Woody Woodpecker. Cam guru Clay Smith had a Disney artist caricaturize Woody for Clay's red hair, and the cigar? Hardly saw Clay without it. "Mr. Horsepower".

Dean Moon was the first to hire a cartoonist for the 'right look' for his "MOON Eyes".
Then everybody went trademark-and-logo crazy.

rbroadster
11-09-2010, 06:47 PM
Man I can't believe people would use an image with no idea where it came from. Arbitrarily using military insignia could wind you up in a shallow hole!

Doc.

Definitely around before nose art. Earliest decal I have seen was copyrighted in 1939




Marcy

Don't think it originated as nose art. Like someone else said earlier, it definitely has the look of flash art. Probably was being placed on a different piece of military equipment (GIs) well before it went on the planes.

- RBR

Mart
05-29-2011, 06:57 PM
Who did Olive?

Popeye.

The37Kid
05-29-2011, 07:13 PM
For the record Seventeen B-17's were named Lady Luck in WWII, three were named Lady Luck II, and one was Lady Luck III. Best Memorial Day wishes to all who served and those on active duty.

2Hep
05-29-2011, 07:26 PM
I knew all my reading of the little books would one day pay off. I had to dig and dig through the shelf to find it::::

According to Hop Up May 1952 on page #26, Bob Lester is the man who first drew that image up.

In 1948 after being discharged from WWII, he started a business called the "Stylized Emblem Co." here in CA. Emblems for jackets, decals etc. The Lady Luck you have pictured (I have a couple as well of Impko Vintage) Is shown being silk screened. It states that it is his design. So the picture of the one on the B-17 very well might have been done by Bob himself.

The article is in the Meet the Advertiser section of that issue of Hop-Up

hotrod1940
05-29-2011, 08:37 PM
Now that's funny right there.

stillrunners
05-29-2011, 09:20 PM
thanks for a fun post....and thanks to all those that served....

Rudebaker
05-30-2011, 10:44 AM
Popeye.

I always heard it was Bluto......

ZRODZ
05-30-2011, 11:11 AM
George Barris drew it.:D

Nah, he would have chopped it and at least frenched the 8 balls.

Steven D. Lester
10-23-2012, 06:38 PM
I am the oldest son of Robert Lester. I worked many summers at Stylized Emblems. Anything you might like to know about the man?

ClayMart
10-23-2012, 07:15 PM
There are some similarities between Lady Luck and Betty Boop and she dates back to the early 1930s. Maybe Max Fleischer or Hal Seeger had a hand in LL's design?

seb fontana
10-23-2012, 07:49 PM
I am the oldest son of Robert Lester. I worked many summers at Stylized Emblems. Anything you might like to know about the man?

Sure..Give us a biography of your father and Stylized Emblems and tell us about the design of Lady Luck?

DocWatson
10-23-2012, 08:19 PM
The 'Lady Luck' nose art was around in WW1, since then there has been thousands of them and every one is slightly different to nothing like the one pictured.

Doc.

propwash
10-23-2012, 08:25 PM
George Barris drew it.:D

and Carroll Shelby signed it