hands up - boyds raided

[weemark]

looks like Boyd C as wound someone up the wrong way...someone on the NSRA site has posted this link

http://streetrodderweb.com/hotnews/0410sr_boyds/

looks like there could be more shops will be getting visited as a result of this..and some very interesting comments about glassfibre cars!!

doesnt look like this is going to be taken lightly - i guess when the govt. think they are loosing money they are like a pitbull with something between its teeth.

[MattB]

[ QUOTE ]
looks like Boyd C as wound someone up the wrong way...someone on the NSRA site has posted this link

http://streetrodderweb.com/hotnews/0410sr_boyds/

looks like there could be more shops will be getting visited as a result of this..and some very interesting comments about glassfibre cars!!

doesnt look like this is going to be taken lightly - i guess when the govt. think they are loosing money they are like a pitbull with something between its teeth.

[/ QUOTE ]

WOW! I had heard about this "through the grapevine", but I had no idea it was THIS serious! This will probably be a huge 5 page thread I'm guessing.....

[Useless]

I'm glad all mine are real steal cars, no repop stuff here. Although I do like the looks of some of them they are not all 1932 FORDS no matter what they look like they are just not from 1932.

[willowbilly3]

Good thing they hads weapons and flak jackets, that bunch over at Boyds are pretty dangerous hombres. His ex could take down several with just her attitude. Lucky no one was killed.

[GomezGarage]

Steel is Real.

[Flat Ernie]

[ QUOTE ]
This will probably be a huge 5 page thread I'm guessing.....


[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, it already has started - it was touched on in a thread by RF here:

Big Brother Thread (http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=580084&page=0&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=2#Post582284)

I see both sides of this & the sad part is, rodders will end up lumped in with the kit-car industry...

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[choprods]

I suppose since different types of media are being monitored on these subjects, we should seriously consider what we post here reguarding things of that nature. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[NoSurf]

I guess you really CAN'T build a tradional hotrod for less than 5K...

[MIKE-3137]

Yes, steel is real, unless it is repo steel.... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Kev Nemo]

Yet another reason NOT to live in CALI!
God Bless Texas!

[Jeem]

Big Brother is a Muther

[james]

Did you read the article, at least 4 other states are doing similiar raids. I had a hell of a time with the DMV when my parents sold me their jeep for $100. The tranny was bad and that's all the junkyard offered them, so that's what they charged me. The DMV wanted me to pay the taxes on the full value of one in good condition! Now I'm worried about what to do when I finally get the plymouth on the road. I only paid $400 for it, and am using 90% junkyard parts. Are they going to try to get me to pay taxes on a "restored classic"?

[The Anarkist]

Here in Ontario, (canada) the Gov. came up with "valuing" cars. Even if you get the car for free you have to pay "book value" taxes on it!!! There are a FEW ways (like a "direct" relative) etc but you still have to sign a waiver and they still warn you that they may audit you!!!

Big Brotherism is a desease and they're drunk on power.

[HotRodHon]

[ QUOTE ]
Yet another reason NOT to live in CALI!
God Bless Texas!

[/ QUOTE ]

It just happens here first. Like the smog laws and everything else. I'll be on its way to a state near you real soon.

Craig http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Tuck]

another reason im glad im doing things LOW BUCK, REAL STEAL and rough as hell...

In the world of high dollar cars mines a bag lady's shopping cart... stuffed full of shit other people threw away.


Tuck

[DrJ]

Governments, all of them, are just the biggest GANG in town.
Understand that...
Just like other gangs or mafias, they want their "cut" of every business and business transaction in their "hood" they can get their hands on.
The only reason they don't tax or collect fees on every exchange of corporate stock is because the guys who are buying most of that are the ones running the gang.

[DrJ]

[ QUOTE ]
Did you read the article, at least 4 other states are doing similiar raids. I had a hell of a time with the DMV when my parents sold me their jeep for $100. The tranny was bad and that's all the junkyard offered them, so that's what they charged me. The DMV wanted me to pay the taxes on the full value of one in good condition! Now I'm worried about what to do when I finally get the plymouth on the road. I only paid $400 for it, and am using 90% junkyard parts. Are they going to try to get me to pay taxes on a "restored classic"?

[/ QUOTE ]

That's about the time I'd say "If you think it's worth that much you either buy it from me right now for that amount or find a licensed car buyer willing to buy it for that much today"
A car's only worth what you can sell it for.
They know that and I suspect somewhere in the fine print of their laws that it states that in cases of value arbitration.

[Mr 42]

Here in Sweden
If you have a document (pink slip) showing that the car has been registred in Sweden sometime. You can get it registred, at a low cost. 150$
But you can onky change front and rear axle and driveline. Or if you want to swap the body you have to leave the frame axles and driveline original. I know there is discussion,s that as long you hava a frame with pink slip you can change everything.

Or you can register it as an Amateur built vehicle, then you can build it from scratch. paying around 1000$ as a environment fee if you dont have a catalysator on the engine. Then you have to have the car inspected once when you build it and then one more time before you get show it for the goverment inspection.

An other way to do it if you build up a car from original parts you can get it registred as an old vehicle if you dont change to much.

And if you have a car older than 1951 you dont have to pay any road tax, and dont have to do the yearly carinspection.

So i guess we have it better than the California guys, just now :-)

[bufordtjustice]

[ QUOTE ]

Big Brother is a Muther


[/ QUOTE ]

you said it Jeem...sounds pretty crazy... Is this part because of the Governator? Can only hope this crazy BS doesn't spread throughout the country... Someday there is gonna be a big ass revolt, take away the rights of Old Car enthusiasts and gun owners and its gonna hit the fan sooner or later...

Greg

[k9racer]

I agree with Dr J. Last year I did not cut the grass at a house that was owened by my late parents. I had the local city police come to my house with flak jackets guns drawn with back up to serve a warrant for the grass and a automobile with out current tags and 2 flat tires. When I asked the police why all the force I was told that because I had a gun permit the decided to do it that way to be safe. When I asked why he did not bust the crack house by my shop I was maced and put in a patrol car. later turned loose. I went to internal affairs. what a F@#king joke because boy o boy that blue line sticks together. and the police wonder why no one has respect for them. Sorry for the rant. I guess the Alabama title busisness will slow down a little now..

[yorgatron]

[ QUOTE ]
When I asked the police why all the force I was told that because I had a gun permit

[/ QUOTE ] you need a gun permit down there? i always thought the only permit i needed was the 2nd ammendment... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[k9racer]

about 10 years ago for a hand gun you need a permit to carry in car . I was told its not a TAX its a fee.

[CharlieLed]

[ QUOTE ]
Yet another reason NOT to live in CALI!
God Bless Texas!

[/ QUOTE ]

[Fidget]

[ QUOTE ]
On Wednesday the 6th of October, 22 law enforcement agents and other individuals from the State of California, Department of Justice Fraud Division, Department of Motor Vehicles, California Highway Patrol, Department of Automotive Repair and others arrived with guns drawn and flak vests on at the shop of Boyd Coddington Hot Rods & Collectibles (La Habra, California).

[/ QUOTE ]

What the hell is the 'Department of Automotive Repair'?? 'Flak vests'? did they airdrop in while getting shot at with anti-aircraft fire? I'd most likely think that the local cops provided the muscle for the DOJ, and representatives from the DMV and other paper pushing agencies. Nothing like the People's Republic of California http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[reefer]

All jokin`aside, this is real bad news and like one of the posters said, what you Californicators get today, we get tomorrow(the bad stuff anyhow).I can see that tax grabbing SOB Blair writing up the new laws this weekend.I argued that this high visabilaty T,V shit would cause trouble and get people taking an interest in something they never even knew existed.

Condolences from "The Land Of The Fee"

[Byron Crump]

I don't get this, what happens if you buy a car that is not running and needs a ton of work for say 4000 bucks and you spend some time working on it and put say 30000 into it. Do they say you have to go back and pay the difference once they see how it looks today?

[deuce]

what happened to the recent ruling in california allowing repro cars to be registered as what they represent? also aren't boyds cars built for far more than they can be resold for? if so what are they really worth and what should they be taxed for, what they cost or what they are "valued" at????????

[SlowandLow63]

i dont think anhyone would want to repop my car so it cant be fiberclass who the hell makes a 63 ford a kustom anyway

no if they start crackin down on mud cars then im screwed just kidding 95% steel 5% mud

[choprods]

I just had a thought-Maybe why the G"Chainers always trailer their shit, is because they arent titled liscenced or http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gifTAXED!
I KNOW A GUY WHO HAS A DAMNED NICE RED 58 iMPALA /A SHOW CAR OF VERY NICE DETAIL....no title at all! HES AT A LOT OF GOODGUYS SHOWS.....DOES THAT MEAN HE HAS NO INSURANCE EITHER? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
SORRY " http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gifCAPS!]

[Bass]

After reading that article...it does not sound good for anyone that's building a car, be it real steel or fiberglass, that does not have the original title to the car. Or even anyone that's planning on transferring a title on an old car in the future.

Can you imagine what kind of hassle it could get to be if you have to prove what your car is worth (or not worth) every time you go to transfer a title?

If you think you are immune because you don't live in California, you are wrong. It's as simple as that. Other states routinely follow California's lead, especially when it's something that can be viewed as a "money making opportunity" by tax assesors and collectors.

What really bothers me is that they say that this has "COST" the state of California this much money, when in reality they never would have known they were missing anything if not for the investigation. I have a feeling that the cost of investigation and enforcement is going to equal or exceed what the State of California believes it is "owed."

The most important thing here is that they have the ability to charge you with a felony. That means jail time if you don't do things the way they want.

I hope SEMA is frothing at the mouth right now...they are really the only voice we have that the state and federal governments might listen to.

I have to agree...Big Brother sucks.

[steevil]

definitely a foreshadow of what't to come for the rest of the world.

If you aren't alarmed by these events, you are in a for a rude awakening.

[manyolcars]

Even though this is not a political forum and Ryan discourages political discussion, either we talk about it and DO something about it or old cars will cease to exist.

[oldchevyseller]

the best thing to do first is to go down to your local DMV and get the info that is used right now,no "i heard you do this" or do that, get the actual state booklet or info from the actual book that is used now to determine title and tax base and what the variables are, and then you have some direction to go forward with, see if the tax is included in your salvage parts cost or are you required to pay later , be informed is the best way to start,

then go on the political warpath http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[delaware george]

i already tried that here in delaware cause i have an assembled 1972 title on a 29 and i got fifteen different answers from fifteen different people and nobody had anything on paper they could show me......FUCK THE DMV!!!!

[oldchevyseller]

wow

[Brad54]

Year One was raided by the Feds a bunch of years ago, and they hauled out several cargo truck loads of parts--a lot of speedo faces, speedo gears, new odometer faces and numbers, whole assemblies, etc. Wanted to bust them for chop shop-like speedometer fraud. That's an interesting can of worms when you think about it: tampering with mileage readings and the odometer is a felony, but when you restore a car...
They won their case, and then sat their with very large grins on their faces as they made the Fed boys put all the packages back on the stock shelves over a year later.

When dealing with the DMV drones or any other drone, always ask to speak with their supervisor, and bring a notebook. Write down the head drone's name, the date you were there, what you spoke about and what was said. Don't know if it'll hold up, but it's nice to have in your files when they come knocking on your door.

On monday, I'm taking the title for my un-finished '57 Wagon down to the DMV and get the title transfered. Fuck doing it when the car is on the road--I should have done it years ago. I'll pay the tax on it now for what it was worth when I bought it, before they look at it and decide it's worth more.
-Brad

[JamesG]

They need to arrest Boyd for the sale of overpriced, uglyass cars!

[BigDdy31]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Yet another reason NOT to live in CALI!
God Bless Texas!

[/ QUOTE ]

It just happens here first. Like the smog laws and everything else. I'll be on its way to a state near you real soon.

Craig http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

You're right about that Craig.

Does no one else in this country see something wrong with armed, flak jacketed officers making raids for things that, if they are crimes, are 'paper crimes'? This country is going to hell in a bucket and I can't imagine how anyone can stand up with a straight face and say that our freedoms are not being eroded. Even in the '80s under Reagan some asshole in a suit would have had to show up first to serve the papers and take a look around.

How is Canada these days gentlemen? Somebody tell BadPat that I may need a place to hide if this election doesn't go right. LOL

[SnoDawg]

Sieg Heil Arnold This shit is scary considering my 62 unibody is sitting on a 74 Frame and titled and licensed as a 62. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif BASTARDS!!!

[Blownolds]

[ QUOTE ]
I don't get this, what happens if you buy a car that is not running and needs a ton of work for say 4000 bucks and you spend some time working on it and put say 30000 into it. Do they say you have to go back and pay the difference once they see how it looks today?

[/ QUOTE ]

Unfortunately, yes. This has been on the books in CA for more than a decade. They treat cars not like the rest of the stuff you own inside your household, but they treat them like your property (real estate) and thus they want to collect a property tax, every year, based on value. It's no different than the $500 plus registration fees that new cars have to pay (when they are worth $30K). This declines over time with depreciation, which is one reason I have always owned older cars that have $75 annual registration fees. But, when you fix an older car up and increas its value, they want to collect a higher registration fee (ahem, TAX) based on its new value.

BS, but true.

[Nick32vic]

Perfect World
if i lived in a perfect world
i would spend my days lying in the sun
the party never ends in a perfect world
if your life has hit the skids
wave goodbye to the wife & kids
i'm ready to move into a perfect world
nacho cheese and anarchy
boy that sure sounds good to me
every kind of drug is free
in the new america
shoot your pistol in the air
celebrate a brand new year
living leisurely in a perfect world
everybody's drinking hams
good by all you straight edge bands
sit around and get a tan
in the new america
when i turn on my t.v.
nothing but pornography
no more rated "g" in a perfect world
strung out hookers everywhere
have a picnic feed the bears
now nobody even cares
in the new america
nothing in this worlds for free
cause everything belongs to me
no more green fees in a perfect world

-Guttermouth

Theres no such thing as a Utopia-The perfect society. Someones always in charge. Someones always happy. Someones always rich.
Someones always bullied. Someones always mad. Someones always poor.

SEMA is a great organization and i hope they can fight this crap. This sounds like it will affect ALOT of people myself included. I think what we should do if figure out what we can do to help (SEMA?) and keep everyone else informed about what is going on. Not just sit around and say "hey, somebody will take care of it" Cause thats how things dont get done.

Nick

[rogue]

Who gives a shit. It's allways the same, when your on top, someone will try and bring you down.

Get over it................

[willowbilly3]

[ QUOTE ]
another reason im glad im doing things LOW BUCK, REAL STEAL and rough as hell...

In the world of high dollar cars mines a bag lady's shopping cart... stuffed full of shit other people threw away.


Tuck

[/ QUOTE ] Good plan Tuck. Even if you intend to snazz a car out you should get it running in the roughest mockup possible to get the evaluation for taxes. Then go finish it. I used to do that on homebuilt trailers. You had to bring in a weight slip so I would weigh it as soon as I could yie it behind the truck.

[bobx]

maybe the feds didnt have 'real' guns..maybe they were paint guns and they wanted to play paintball with the boyds workers..you know..to get on the t.v. show...

[slammed]

Do Any older reader's recall what a Felon was back when? A REAL Felon? Or what really warrented a 'pack of boot-jacked, armed to the teeth SWAT team, steam rolling through the front door? See the camera's pointing at public street's and hi-way's. A comic book,B-Hollywood actor, juiced for year's on 'roid's, son of an honest to-God WWII Nazi. 'Appointed' Governor Ah-nold. Operation Paper Clip has come to fruitation. Look it it up. Dr.J is correct...the Biggest Gang IS Goverment.

[Mike]

Hey rogue, I wouldn't take this so lightly, Jalopy Shop might not be all that far down on "the man's" list.

This whole thing might not be "the sky is falling, end of the world", but it is definately something to be concerned about.

[JamesG]

The Skankster!

[fab32]

Another on topic, contributing post eh, 1Load? I couldn't resist, you make it too easy.

Frank

[zman]

Yeah at least host that shit elsewhere....

[slammed]

[ QUOTE ]
Hey rogue, I wouldn't take this so lightly, Jalopy Shop might not be all that far down on "the man's" list.

This whole thing might not be "the sky is falling, end of the world", but it is definately something to be concerned about.

[/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ]


[/ QUOTE ] Right on the money, Mike! With all 'price quote's' on the Biker Build-Off machine's...the G-Men have all the name's and shop's to begin their 'investigation's. And anyone else that hang's out or even customer's are fair game. Comrade, are your paper's in order?

[OGNC]

Does it strike anyone else as odd that this is all happening when we have a republican governor (and president for that matter). I thought they were all for smaller government, a hands off attitude. Forever automotive groups like the California Off Road Vehicle Association (CORVA) and others have been supporting them because they're "friendly to the automotive enthusiast." Guess that was all a crock of shit, too.

[Flat Ernie]

I've never lived in CA & only visited once or twice. From the decidedly skewed news reports, sounds like CA has had so much financial trouble that your very existence is at stake - when vital interests are threatened (ie - survival), even folks who typically support you (republicans) may no longer be on your side...

...but what do I know? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Blownolds]

I think it happens after a Democrat has been in office, run the budget to heck, and a Repub' comes in and finds we're broke, and they've got to raise $$ somewhere http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Seriously though, I don't think it's a partisan thing so much as government legislative "public servants" have gotten themselves in office to "earn" a lot of money and are not above squeezing as much out of the populace as possible, without totally collapsing the economy.

Just my take, but that's my suspicion.

[rodrelic]

Finally a use for "blue bear",make him a patsy. And I always thought he was boar braests... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[JamesG]

[ QUOTE ]
Another on topic, contributing post eh, 1Load? I couldn't resist, you make it too easy.

Frank

[/ QUOTE ]

Yea, and your response was just as assistive. That was even easier....

[zman]

[ QUOTE ]

Yea, and your response was just as assistive. That was even easier....

[/ QUOTE ]

I hate to say it, but your talking shit about someone who at least has contributed tech, and good tech at that. I think maybe you ought re-evaluate your time on the computer, think about actually working on a car for a change...

[RocketDaemon]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I don't get this, what happens if you buy a car that is not running and needs a ton of work for say 4000 bucks and you spend some time working on it and put say 30000 into it. Do they say you have to go back and pay the difference once they see how it looks today?

[/ QUOTE ]

Unfortunately, yes. This has been on the books in CA for more than a decade. They treat cars not like the rest of the stuff you own inside your household, but they treat them like your property (real estate) and thus they want to collect a property tax, every year, based on value. It's no different than the $500 plus registration fees that new cars have to pay (when they are worth $30K). This declines over time with depreciation, which is one reason I have always owned older cars that have $75 annual registration fees. But, when you fix an older car up and increas its value, they want to collect a higher registration fee (ahem, TAX) based on its new value.

BS, but true.

[/ QUOTE ]

in a sence that could make real rat rods more popular

uuhhhh

[34Hupmobile]

Here in NC vehicle taxes come straight out of a book. Sometimes that is good, sometimes it isn't. The county wanted $45 for a years taxes for a rust-bucket Jag with a frozen engine I bought. Luckily I sold the car before the taxes were due. I just got a bill for my Hup for $17.64. The bill stated simply "antique value". Apparently Hupmobiles don't appear in the state book so they estimated the car's worth at $3k. That's ok with me. It's insured for 20k.

[Smokin Joe]

It isn't just California folks.
To get a new title here in Idaho, you need reciepts showing how much you paid and wether the sales taxes were collected on the parts you used in building the car. Been that way for years. No reciept on that carb? Then you'll pay the taxes again. And guess who gets to decide the value on your parts? And they won't look at it till it's up and running. I searched for a couple years till I could find a Model A with a title so I wouldn't have to deal with all the hassle in "New construction or replica vehicles". A Brookville body on a TCI frame is not a 32 Ford unless the vehicle inspector is asleep.

They want to collect the taxes, and they want to keep the State from being used as a stolen vehicle laundry. Republican or Democrat doesn't matter. It's about the money, not the politics. Those cops and DMV people weren't hired by Arnold in California. They've been there all along. If a Democrat was in office, this would still be happening. THINK before you vote. Don't just follow the popular bitching like sheep.

[brewsir]

I'm not sure if my vote really counts or even matters....Hell...Bush "won" the election last time even with very questionable votes. The way most people vote is by what they see on 20 second commercials on TV.....VOTE NO on 38...blah blah blah...no more taxes....then you go in to vote and can't remember what the hell the good measures are and what aren't.......then the fucking sheep end up voting in stupid tax increases anyway!!!!

SO....the real question is
How do we actually do something about the government??? Boston tea party?? sorry..theres an army of gov. enforcers out there nowadays....jailtime for sure if there's a revolt. Even the hint of a revolt stirs trouble . Vote yea right. I'm not educated enough to run for office ...I guess most car guys hate politicians...therefore it would be very hard to vote in a car guy ...we would rather work in the garage anyway.
I know...lets start raising funds nationwide to buy ourselves some politicians...sorta like SEMA but under the table bribery...I believe thats how the politicians work anyway!!!(shit...maybe I should run for local office haha!)

[Jeem]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I don't get this, what happens if you buy a car that is not running and needs a ton of work for say 4000 bucks and you spend some time working on it and put say 30000 into it. Do they say you have to go back and pay the difference once they see how it looks today?

[/ QUOTE ]

Unfortunately, yes. This has been on the books in CA for more than a decade. They treat cars not like the rest of the stuff you own inside your household, but they treat them like your property (real estate) and thus they want to collect a property tax, every year, based on value. It's no different than the $500 plus registration fees that new cars have to pay (when they are worth $30K). This declines over time with depreciation, which is one reason I have always owned older cars that have $75 annual registration fees. But, when you fix an older car up and increas its value, they want to collect a higher registration fee (ahem, TAX) based on its new value.

BS, but true.

[/ QUOTE ]
Yeah, a perfect reason NOT to restore or upgrade (or even maintain?) your older vehicles. Makes sense huh?! Just buy new and be good little boys and girls....

OGNC, I wouldn't make it a case of Rep. vs. Dem. for 2 reasons; first, Ryan will pull the plug on heavy political crap and secondarily, whichever party you stand in, you've GOT to know things are not as simple as they outwardly appear. Hidden, or at least, additional agendas ride on the back of EVERY issue we see.

Vote for Goldwater.

[disastron13]

Brew, I bet you have a better education than Ronnie and Arnold put together...unless you were a body builder/drug abuser or WWII draft dodger
They wouldn't be hired for dog catcher in this little villita.

[bufordtjustice]

I think what we all need to do is transfer all the cool cars and weather out of Cali and bring them to NY...then we can assist that state in finally falling into the ocean while the politicians are asleep.....problem solved....at least momentarily...

[reefer]

We had a similar sort of problem here a couple of hundred years or so ago, people just wanting to go about their buisness and get on with their pastimes without government buggin` them all the time.They all sold up, bought a boat called the Mayflower and set up home overseas somewhere or other...

[hatch]

With 200 billion spent in Iraq, we will need 12 trillion or so for the other 60 countries that have WMD's.....get ready for ALL your money to go for taxes. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[imfatdad]

LOL reefer....