O/T History of the Maltese cross

[hillbillydeluxe]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know the "history" of the Maltese cross and how it's become a symbol for hardcore, old school rods and especially bikes? I know it's a WW1 German Iron Cross icon, but what's the connestion to rods and bikes?

[GomezGarage]

Im not sure of the origin but didn't "The Red Baron" use it on his plane. That was a hot rod plane? Maybe Im just talkin out my ass. FWIW

[Cword]

The original Hot Rodders and Bikers emigrated to america from Malta...

Must be a new year, here comes the cross question again.

Mike http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I'm too lazy to search out a link one of the old threads (if they still exist)

[Tman]

Is it time for this post again already?

[repoguy]

Jesus, not this again.

Try doing a search. This dead horse has been beaten enough.

[Tony Bones]

Uh...

[hankcash]

[bobbleed]

Jesse James invented it.

I'm gonna paint an Upside Down Cross on my roadster.

Satan rules, just like Canada.

[drgnwgn289]

hey jeff, maybe its a regional thing...but I was always taught..."two in the cooter, one in the pooter," or "two in the poon-pie, one in the brown eye," or even "two in the bush, one in the tush."

[hankcash]

2 in the goo, 1 in the poo?

[SamIyam]

It was invented as a symbol of freedom from the trailer park back in the 70's.

Originally it was accompanied by a banner that read "It ain't home 'till ya take the wheels off".

Sam.

[Jeff Norwell]

The Prussian high priest,..Wulfgang Von Mutch treat-en gott.....Distant Cousin to Roth......where as the symbol was stolen and became property of Ken "piss off I hate you and the world" Von Dutch......who in turn ,on his death bed sold the entire rights and property to Yum yum bubble gum company ,who in turn marketed the image everywhere and make zillions off of stupid young surburbanites........
true history.honest injun.
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[slammed]

Spend a ton of time searching the Knight's of Malta, Knight'a Templer's, and their connecton's toward's high ranking Free Mason's, the Pope, Illuiminati, ec. Spent 2 yrs. reading that stuff. It ('Iron Cross') goe's much farther back in time than most people realize. Is it real? That's up to you the reader. But back to the topic of cool car's, truck's and such..........

[flatshoebox]

I know the swasticka (sorry 'bout the spellin) was a American Indian symbol. Hitler like'd American Indians..

[Unkl Ian]

The Maltese Cross,and the Iron Cross,are entirely different.






Either way,you will get the same stupid answers here.

[wingnutz]

Speedway invented it..., just got their new RAT ad and them crosses is everywhere...!!!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

(Satan is a Lesbian...!)

[Mike]

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Jesse James invented it


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Jesse James stole it from Eric Von Zipper, who invented it in 1962!

[buzzard]

I'll tell you the history, but first you must answer this one question:

What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

[saltflataddict]

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It was invented as a symbol of freedom from the trailer park back in the 70's.

Originally it was accompanied by a banner that read "It ain't home 'till ya take the wheels off".

Sam.

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Sam - I thought that was the rebel flag!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[hankcash]

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What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

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I don't know.. but I'll bet it's faster than your shifting http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

HC

[kustombuilder]

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The Maltese Cross,and the Iron Cross,are entirely different.




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REALY??? i was not aware of that. do tell.

[hankcash]

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The Maltese Cross,and the Iron Cross,are entirely different.




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REALY??? i was not aware of that. do tell.

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one is made out of maltise and the other is made out of iron!
duh!
Some people are so clueless!
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[krupanut]

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[plan9]

very long history, but heres a fast rundown. maltese and iron cross's are 2 different symbols from 2 parts of Europe... iron cross is Northern Europa (Prussia or modern day Latvia), maltese is Mediterranean (Island of Malta, Knights of Malta).

the IRON CROSS was adopted by the Prussian army. Prussia being home to the Teutonic Order who faught in the Crusades, they were considered to be some of the best mercenary soldiers at the time.

Hospitlars, Teutonics, Templars were a few of the well known Ordos during this time... ALL wore badges of the cross in different colors. in fact, Hospital is a derivative of the Hospitlar Order... ya see, theyd take the sick and dying and care for them, soldiers and peasants alike. what sets them apart from the other 2 orders is, theyd let commoners into their ranks... Templars and Tuetonics required noble blood.

the iron cross is a symbol of valor, it was used by Fred the Great in the 18th cent... again Germans/Prussians (Latvia) have a long history of top soldiering, and were available for hire... they faught along side us in the Revolutionary War as a matter of fact, we get a lot of our modern ceremonies from them.

back to the point... WWI and WWII Germans used this as their highest award. the Knights Cross and the Iron Cross 1st and 2nd class.

there is a shitload of history behind this symbol... it isnt a Nazi specific icon and wasnt a sign of rebellion until after WW2.. and gay ass hollywood.

this is a short half assed run down... it can be more detailed but i have to work now.

bye

[kustombuilder]

thanks Plan 9. i do know that after WWII, at some point, the surfers addopted it as a symbol of rebelion. just to tick off their parents i presume. anyway, i've read that Ed Roth, being involved in both the surf culture and the Hot Rod culture of the time, started using it in the context of the hot rods. his interest in that symbol likely had at least a little to do with his parents being German immigrants.

thats my take on the more "modern" use of the symbol known as the "Iron Cross". ...as for the Maltesse Cross. well, you better hit the books on that one, i have hot rods to build...

[JamesG]

And I thaught it was a symbol of badass lawnmower racers every where.....

[Byron Crump]

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I know the swasticka (sorry 'bout the spellin) was a American Indian symbol. Hitler like'd American Indians..

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Wrong Indians...

[Jeff Norwell]

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I know the swasticka (sorry 'bout the spellin) was a American Indian symbol. Hitler like'd American Indians..

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Wrong Indians...

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yep, ....the snake charmer kind.

[fatassbuick]

You guys are all dumb. Here's the real story!

In ancient Egypt, there was a Pharoah named Munayes who had a glorious racing cart that was pulled by the majestic Jewish-Egyptian dogs ( Jahtleyeau (http://www.jewishegyptian.bravepages.com/) ). On the Bi-annual "Beautiful Sunrise of the Kart Draggings" (as it was called in the day), Munayes wanted a unique insignia for all of Egypt, nay, ALL of the WORLD to remember him by, and his favorite artist, Ratileah Finkk, did his honor well by inventing the very first Maltese Cross. It brandished his wonderful golden chariot and stunned his opponents with it's beauty, making him the eventual winner.

[plan9]

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I know the swasticka (sorry 'bout the spellin) was a American Indian symbol. Hitler like'd American Indians..

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Wrong Indians...

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the real Aryan tribe were Asian Indians.

they are a dead, extinct, or better put asscimilated culture.

Hitler liked to write his own version of history.

[Kev Nemo]

Actually Hitler got the swastika from the eastern indians along with the whole concept of Aryans. Aryans are green eyed, light skinned Indians who are the elite (Brahman) in the caste system...

[Kev Nemo]

Sorry, the thread didn't print all the way out. My response is redundant.That Hank Cash comment about one being iron and the other maltese had me laughing for ten minutes http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Byron Crump]

Most of Indian culture and the caste system itself comes from the Vedas. The Vedas is indoeuropean in origin and was the holy book of the Aryans. The Iranians, Afgans, and Indians are all influenced by the Aryan migration out of central Europe. Hitler got into the work of a guy whose name escapes me that tried to say the Aryans were not from central Europe (the lands of the Slavs in Hitlers view) and were "viking" in nature. He tried to tie in the probability that Vikings made it into China,hence green eyes, red hair, etc. on some people in far western China and ties into the bodies that Chinas gov. found and won't even let Nation Geographic look at. Now to tie it into the HAMB, the Aryans ride Royal Infields http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Kev Nemo]

Yeah-The guy was french. He was also influenced by HENRY FORD'S book about the secret Jewish banking conspiracy "The Elders of Zion" -
Hence DUNT DUNT DUUUUHHHHH!!!
ALL FORD DRIVERS ARE NAZIS!!!
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[Turbopackman]

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I'll tell you the history, but first you must answer this one question:

What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

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Is that an African, or European Swallow?

Eric

[hell_fish_65]

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He was also influenced by HENRY FORD'S book about the secret Jewish banking conspiracy "The Elders of Zion"[ QUOTE ]

Henry old reprinted it. It was around for many years before him. At one point it was from Russia.

[GomezGarage]

Now I get it...Its just another bastardized icon.

[Revhead]

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Now to tie it into the HAMB, the Aryans ride Royal Infields http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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yes....yes they do...

[the_horrormoans]

hitler had the shits one night and after stepping off of the porcelain god he looked in amazement at the object that lay steaming in the shitter...he immediately ordered Himler to join him in the jon and see what his ass has kreated....they both stared....their BROWN EYES were wide-open and astonished at the shape that emerged from hitler's ass, they named this "creation" ass cross....but that didn't sit well with the rest of the nazi party so they changed it to it's current status the maltese cross...in other words who gives a shit!!

[hollywud]

uh!

[hollywud]

um!

[hillbillydeluxe]

Oh, I get it now.....A bunch of smart-ass rodders created it it malta, and dumped it on the mush-brained Americans during Kaiser Wilhelm's rein of terror at the Salt Flats, whereupon they also blindly followed the cult, plastering it over all things with wheels, and berating those that asked of its history.

Thanks, guys.

[JamesG]

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[Mai Ki-Ki]

"immediately"?

What the hells wrong with using that?

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[JamesG]

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[Bobber]

Maltese is my last name... So I own it.

[tinyelvis]

Chet.. welcome to the HAMB brotha.. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Chili Phil]

FWIW, the first cross I ever noticed was on the T-shirts and decals from Schnieder Cams from San Diego. As I recall they were also the first printed T-shirts at the drags. Around 1960-62.

[nate]

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I'll tell you the history, but first you must answer this one question:

What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

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Is that an African, or European Swallow?

Eric

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http://www.style.org/unladenswallow/

this explains it all, glad i could help

[big jungle jim]

We are the knights that say NIP.

[bootie]

what kind of a shrubbary do you want????
i can't help with the history of the iron cross - except to say its so comercialised now you go into town and theres a heap of people wearing westcoast chopper tshirts and hoodies - half of them couldn't even ride - go schnider cams thought about trying to get a sticker or tshirt from them and wearing that around as a big FU to all the wanna be jessie james- hell half he people i've alked to think west coast choppers is to do with load rider bicycles