Have a "Survivor?" Corvette guys say otherwise. (TM ) Read !

[Brad54]

Seems the gold-chainers over at Bloomington Gold have trademarked the word "Survivor" as it applies to old cars. To be called a "Survivor," Blooming Gold MUST certify it as such.
I could go on, but I'll let their words speak for themselves.

http//www.bloomingtongold.com/index.php?link=survivor2

I don't know how to add a link that automatically takes you there, but there's the addy.

I clicked on the "Contact us" tab at the top of the page, and it pops up an index of people, including CEO of BG.
I sent him a pretty pointed letter explaining why this was stupid, including the fact that Corvette enthusiasts are already viewed as gold-chainer elitists by the rest of the hobby, and this move on their part won't help matters. Also that writers aren't going to enjoy getting "Cease and Desist" letters or writing that stupid little "TM" after the word Survivor all the time.
Went on to suggest maybe they'd want to consider copywriting "Original Unrestored", "Original," and even "Restored" to really screw the rest of us.

Write them a nasty-gram like I did. Let's see if we can crash the CEO's mailbox!
Reason number 135436 to hate Corvette enthusiasts.
-brad

[Blownolds]

Geez, I think I'm going to "tm" the term "car" and wait a few years... then file a class-action and cash in!

Thanks for the idea... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[willowbilly3]

In 79 my best buddy bought the car of his dreams, a 62 vette. We really got into the nuances and how to spot damaged repair and all. Then when out driving around one Saturday and sucking up a 6 pack of Michalob (yeah we used to do that), we get invited to a Corvette club meeting. Geez, what a bunch of pud whackers. They were all into how they had one of a kind cars beacause they had the only puke green one with no cigarette lighter that year or other such stupid nonsense. We left there laughing our asses off and never went back.
There is something about driving one that just makes guys look like a flaming shitheels and the newer the vette the older and more impotent the drivers seem to be.

[manyolcars]

The difference between a porcupine and a corvette??? The porcupine has the pricks on the outside.

[BigDdy31]

What a bunch of beeyotches! I must admit that I am more than a bit tired of hearing the term Survivor every three seconds, anywhere cars are discussed but that pretty much makes the point that they are not entitled to use it exclusively.

Shame about all that Corvette nonsense. Great car, mostly retards for owners. It's like seeing a nice dog get beaten by a dumb master.

[flatordead]

"It's like seeing a nice dog get beaten by a dumb master."
Couldn't be said better. What a bunch of brain farts with shorts and tennis shoes.

[Automotive Stud]

I also wrote them a letter, we all should. I also noticed they have SURVIVOR in all caps, that must be thier trademark. So you can still have a survivor, just not a SURVIVOR. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[MIKE-3137]

Its a shame, twerps like that is why I used to love to drive my buddies 62 vette with the tubbed rear, roll cage, and the 502 under the hood. They'd just shake their heads.

[modernbeat]

This is really fairly pittiful.

If they ever took action against them all you have to do is show prior use in the same vein. And you can always go back to the early '70 Model A and Model T club newsletters where they call any running barn find a survivor.

I think their REAL intention is to TM it for use as a judging standard, a class of car in their concours and prevent other Corvette concours from using the name "Survivor" as a class.

Still lame, but that's the sort of BS it takes to prevent someone from buying a ticket, copying everything you do, and hosting another show right across the road.

[A32Flathead]

What a bunch of twats....

Saw these 2 at a show earlier in the year, there were a couple of goldchainers bitching to each other about how the owners had 'totally destroyed' 2 rare old cars....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/prophoto/General%20Shots/vettepairGP.jpg

Personally, I loved em!!

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Dave

[WildWilly68]

This is one more reason I'm glad those assholes left my town. Bunch of self-righteous no good pricks...I feel for you guys up north that have to deal with them now.
Bill

[Brootal]

Here's my little letter to them...

******************
SURVIVOR (R)... You're joking right??? You people take this shit way too seriously.

I love my cars, but fer chrissakes, it's still just a car!!!

I guess it's another one for the "Only In America" pile...

******************

Wonder if they'll send me a reply trying to explain it all to me.

Like someone said, looks like you can't call your car a SURVIVOR(R), but if you've got yourself one of them thar gen-yoo-wine survivors, then you should be just dandy.

Where's that Rolling Eyes smiley... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Django]

Will they open all their meetings with EYE OF THE TIGER now?? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[RocketDaemon]

thats so sick!

what morons, and how the fffffff could they get away with that?

[Deuce Rails]

Those guys are nuts.

They take extreme measures in order to have overspray and orange peel. (How hard is that to do?)

They'll praise a car for reproduction greasepen marks. (How could you replicate those?)

They'll look down their nose at you if your window glass isn't correctly date-coded. (But you can purchase the correct date-coded windows by mail order.)

And I reaally hate them because they've made 61-62 Vettes too damn expensive.

--Matt

[Plowboy]

My buddy has a 59 vette that has been a drag car since day one. He is currently redoing it to be licenced on the street for the first time. He took it to a Bloomington gold show several years back. "I ain't ever going back around those sons a bitches" he said. "I got my ass chewed all weekend." Another buddy of his was going to take his tubbed out 63 a few years later, He warned him not to, but the guy went anyway. He got his ass chewed too and an "I told you so" from my buddy.

Pricks.

[C9]

[ QUOTE ]
Saw these 2 at a show earlier in the year, there were a couple of goldchainers bitching to each other about how the owners had 'totally destroyed' 2 rare old cars....


[/ QUOTE ]


Not so sure about 'totally destroying' a couple of rare old cars.
Many a Corvette took part in the drag racing wars.
Built, blown and slick'd Vettes are a part of their history.

I wonder what these guys would think if John Mazmanian brought his Candy Red drag racing Vette to one of their little shindigs?
Most know, but fwiw - Mazmanian ran a Vette (very successfully) before he ran the Willy's coupe.
It was an awesome car and something else to see when it ran.

Vette's were always one of my favorites at the strip.
Some guys could row the 4-speed so well that it made the later on Hydro's ashamed in the shift speed dept.

From what I remember about the 57-58 Vettes (my favorites) most of them were modified in small ways and some of them were modified a whole lot.
Vette owners back in the day fit right into the traditional (even if we didn't know it was traditional) hot rod scene very well.
We admired the cars and had no problems with them coming into the Frosty Shop or Merles Drive In and hanging out with the typical crowd of built Fords and Chevys of the era.
The era being the late 50's and early 60's.

I don't know where the matching numbers bit came from, collectors I suppose.
Seems to me the Vette is a car you should drive and not worry about it.

Different strokes for different folks I guess, but it sure seems some don't have a handle on it.... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[53Chebby]

Here's a coule of pics of some race Corvettes for you guys including Mazmanian's.

[53Chebby]

Another

[53Chebby]

Last one for now, the others are too big and I'm not in the mood to resize right now.

[glassguy]

i think i would have sacrificed a set of rear tires on your buddys tubbed 63!!!! i would go to the show and cruise the isles with the line lock on and the tires on fire, hummin empties at them.. hahahahahahah

[luketrash]

This is just one instance, but I'll relate it anyway:

I was recently at a small car show that you could enter pretty much any car into.

There were a lot of 50's cars and even some 30s-40s and then there were a bunch of corvettes from 1975-2004.

At the end of the show, they were giving awards away to people and EVERY single time a corvette guy got an award (it seemed like they all got an award) some tall, fat, on the verge of death from either obesity or a life of chain smoking would waddle up to accept his prize, wiping the sweat off his brow as he struggled to heft his frame up to the prize table.

Anyway, I got to thinking of how much of a loser I'd feel like if I was winning an award because I went out and purchased a new vette. I mean these cars were all bone stock, and some of them weren't even clean. I just sat there in a moment of thought and thought "Luke, if you EVER get that pathetic, save your fifty grand and hire a hitman to randomly take you out when you least expect it... Because you've LOST at that point..."

I mean, honestly, I couldn't walk up in front of a crowd of 200+ people and accept an award for going out and buying a new car.

[Slag Kustom]

i own a 64 corvette and always hear shit about how i destroyed a rare car.It is just a car!!! corvette guys think they are the highest on the car food chain.


this is my 1964 radio delete fullie cut to ribbons

[Slag Kustom]

this really kills them

[The37Kid]

History always has a way of repeating itself.I think is was sometime in the 1960's that the Classic Car Club of America got a trademark on CLASSIC. Really bent then out of shape when Classic Chevrolets started filling up the pages of Hemmings. Words mean a lot of different things to different people, I never let it bother me much.I thought "SURVIVOR" was a TV show. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Andy]

I had a full fendered all steel 32 3-w at a show. Thought it was a nice car. Black with gold stripes and Americans. Had a 65 FI moter in it. A corvette guy comes up and says that the moter was the only thing worth anything there. The rest was c**p. I am still mad.

[plan9]

luketrash.... great description, and agree 100%

i dont think many people on this board are at risk of becoming gay like that.

[negativeMatt]

sorry to bring another vw topic into this, but a few years back, volkswagen of america, hired a company to go out cease and desist any business using vw, slug bug, bug, buggy, bug shop, etc...
apparently they had trademarked all those words, and were now enforcing the laws. you could pay 5000.00 in fines, or they could take any merchandise with those words right off your shelves.
it really caused a riff among vw owners who had old vw's and new vw's.


i personally think it's rediculous that you can even trademark a word.
i think i'll trandemark the word,.. "and"... i'll be rich in no time!!

[stoggie]

these corvette guys are a nationwide phenomenon(sp). How they hell could they trademark something the publishing companies use every month.
I was at a Super Chevy years ago in Indy - Corevette guy got pissed it was raining and put his car back in the trailer. They judged in the rain and he tried to get them to go into his trailer to judge his. He didn't get judged.
Then I was at a show and a group of judges were discussing how the phillips heads in the door latches were not turned the correct way - WTF? it's in the door jamb.
We really pissed some of these guys off when we cut up a corvette to put the suspension in my dad's delivery http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Best corvettes in the world are blown big blocks that break the independent rears. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[38pickup]

[ QUOTE ]
I was at a show and a group of judges were discussing how the phillips heads in the door latches were not turned the correct way - WTF? it's in the door jamb.
We really pissed some of these guys off when we cut up a corvette to put the suspension in my dad's delivery http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Best corvettes in the world are blown big blocks that break the independent rears. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

LOL, I think trademarking Survivor is just stupid.....

[Slag Kustom]

you dont need a blown big block to break the rear http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[DrJ]

So it only applies to old cars?
All old cars or just old Corvettes?
Do they get or are they trying to get royalties or a cease & desist from that TV reality show SURVIVOR?

I think it's time to write thousands of computer generated letters to trademark each and every word in the English Dictionary, or at least attempt to just to show how ludicrous the whole concept of trademarking individual words is.

[fordnutz]

A buddy of mine years ago went to a Corvette swap meet with a T-shirt on that said " Corvettes make great parts cars" He was lucky to escape with his life. Lighten up vette guys, its just tupperware. Nutz

[Bass]

[ QUOTE ]
And I reaally hate them because they've made 61-62 Vettes too damn expensive.


[/ QUOTE ]

I feel the same way. My dad had a solid black '62 with a later LT1 350 in it (1970 LT1 not the new shit) when I was a little kid. I remember riding in it and hanging on to the grab handle on the dash as he went what seemed to be impossibly fast at the time.

That Corvette is one of the things that hooked me on cars in general...and probably why I like pretty stout small blocks. I would really like to own a similar '61 or '62 someday, but with prices the way they are I doubt it'll ever happen.

Some people absolutely hate Corvettes...I wonder how much of that has to do with the people that own them?

Personally I really like all the straight rear axle years...and I have a serious weakness for the Vettes that were turned into drag cars in the early-mid '60s like Mazmanian's.

[draider]

Quick! Someone email them and see if they will trademark 'barn fresh". Maybe people will quit slappin that on every car with some rust...

[Bigcheese327]

I'd really love a '57 with a straight axle and a 409 - I'd take it to all the Corvette shows and see who the first guy to stroke out was. I'd also love a dual-quad, four-speed stocker, but I wouldn't leave it all original - playing with old cars is too much fun to not modify them at least a little bit.

[hudson_hawk]

so does this mean that survivors of the concetration camps can no longer use this word?

[Mutt]

[ QUOTE ]
so does this mean that survivors of the concetration camps can no longer use this word?

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually, no. They have only trademarked it in reference to CARS' descriptions, and that's probably why they were able to get it registered. You can use the term survived, or survives to describe your car without a problem. I think every one should use the term survivor in a car ad just to keep them running around to enforce the trademark. Or, name your car The Survivor. Maybe someone will come out with a new SUV called Survivor - that would really drive them nuts. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Mutt

[Gotgas]

[ QUOTE ]
this is my 1964 radio delete fullie cut to ribbons

[/ QUOTE ]You hacked a '64 fuelie racer? You animal. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[BigDaddySteamRoller]

At any show I go to, as I casually check out a vette with the owner nearby ( He's usually the guy with the corvette hat, vette shirt, vette gold charm and if you are lucky, the vette driving gloves) I tell this joke to my buddy loud enough for anyone to hear :

An ant & elephant were walking thru the jungle talking when the elephant falls in a trappers hole. He yells to the ant to help him get out of the hole. The ant runs to the nearest village & gets a Corvette and drives it back to the hole. He ties a rope around the elephants trunk & the other end of the rope to the vette & jumps in & floors the vette & pulls the elephant out of the hole. The next day the ant & elephant are again walking thru the jungle & this time the ant falls in a hole & can't get out. He hollers to the elephant for help who walks over to the hole, and drops his dick into the hole. The ant climbs up the elephants wang & gets out of the hole. The moral of the story........ When you got a big dick, you don't need a Corvette !!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Corvette guys HATE that joke

[noboD]

The editorial in Hemming's Musclecar mag was about this recently. I think there are other words that Bloomington trademarked too. But Hemming's had to go through the whole months ads to check and see if anyone had called any make car a survivor. They were threatened with a law suit along with the owner of the car. The VW thing is a fact, they had people going to VW shows to make sure no one had printed T-shirts or hats with a logo on them. How about the TV show?

[dixiedog]

BigDaddy - that was hilarious!!! I have to remember that one.

I used to work for a guy with a "show-points" corvette a 63 split window, he would tell me that they take mirrors and verify that the undercarriage bolts are correct and have the proper paint marking on them!! He embezzled the company, cost me $$$ and fucken ran it into the ground, what a POS.

I never liked the vettes, I used to work on them as a mechanic out of high school and everyone I rode in rode like shit and were a bitch to work on. I also remember the Leisure Suit Vette Crowd from the disco days and what pricks they were.

Okay - I rambeled and ranted enough

[zman]

[ QUOTE ]
sorry to bring another vw topic into this, but a few years back, volkswagen of america, hired a company to go out cease and desist any business using vw, slug bug, bug, buggy, bug shop, etc...
apparently they had trademarked all those words, and were now enforcing the laws. you could pay 5000.00 in fines, or they could take any merchandise with those words right off your shelves.
it really caused a riff among vw owners who had old vw's and new vw's.


i personally think it's rediculous that you can even trademark a word.
i think i'll trandemark the word,.. "and"... i'll be rich in no time!!

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah and Harley did ti with "hog".. they suck just as much....

[Django]

These fuckers are going to give CORVETTE SUMMER a bad name. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[earl schieb]

Let me say this first---I AIN'T taking up for them(the BG guys)--just trying to make some sense of this.

Modernbeat pretty much nailed it on page one(I'm still wondering why this topic is at page 3 http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif) It's basically to keep every jack-leg car show promotor and gold-chain pseudo-car salesman from misrepresenting what the Bloomington Gold SURVIVOR(tm) truly is---a Corvette that has SURVIVED in an unmolested, original state, complete with all the nuts and bolts and crayon marks that it was born with. How many ads for cars for sale have you seen with the term "rare" or "original" or "collector" or "limited"? Yeah, a bunch. All the BG guys want to do is keep it real. They're not doing a Donald Trump and trying to copyright "you're FIRED" http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif(what a MORON, btw)
It's become a regular occurence in the Corvette world for sellers and promotors to use phrases like "gold certified"(which USED to mean something). A TRUE survivor is special, and a piece of history, and should be recognized as such. No different than pulling a traditional car out of 50 years of barn slumber and KEEPING it like it was originally built.

I totally agree with a bunch of the comments about Corvette owners in general---that's a big part of why I'm not "club" active anymore, but I still belong to the NCCC(whose owners race and flog the shit out of their cars) Even Duntov said he liked that bunch, cause "they use the cars for what they're designed for!"
Now that I've come out of the closet.....
I've owned about 35 plastic pigs in my lifetime, currently have 4, and NONE are stockers---there ARE exceptions to the rule("Corvette people are_______"--you fill in the blank)

Sorry to perpetuate this thread, but it seems to be the proverbial mountain made from a molehill. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[zman]

[ QUOTE ]

Modernbeat pretty much nailed it on page one(I'm still wondering why this topic is at page 3 http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif) It's basically to keep every jack-leg car show promotor and gold-chain pseudo-car salesman from misrepresenting what the Bloomington Gold SURVIVOR(tm) truly is---a Corvette that has SURVIVED in an unmolested, original state, complete with all the nuts and bolts and crayon marks that it was born with. How many ads for cars for sale have you seen with the term "rare" or "original" or "collector" or "limited"? Yeah, a bunch. All the BG guys want to do is keep it real. They're not doing a Donald Trump and trying to copyright "you're FIRED" http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif(what a MORON, btw)


[/ QUOTE ]

Did you read the article? Did you look at any of the other BS they're pulling? Like have Hemmings not allow you to call your car, any car, a survivor. They sent them a Cease & Desist over this shit. They are out to control the use of the word survivor as it pertains to cars, and car. it spells it out in butmunches letter....

[Slide]

[ QUOTE ]
It's basically to keep every jack-leg car show promotor and gold-chain pseudo-car salesman from misrepresenting what the Bloomington Gold SURVIVOR(tm) truly is... All the BG guys want to do is keep it real. They're not doing a Donald Trump and trying to copyright "you're FIRED" http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif(what a MORON, btw)


[/ QUOTE ]

Could they not have tradematked "Bloomington Gold Certified Survivor" or some abbreviation of it? Or did the CEO of BG's niece need a job so they created the position to go on a witch hunt to see who's misusing the trademark of the day?

This just goes to show that these dudes aren't aware that there are other segmentst of the car hobby outside Corvettes. Survivor means something completely different to hot rod/custom enthusiasts than it does to the BG crowd.

[willowbilly3]

I remember when Harley did it and it was a different deal. They basically just wanted to approve of anything that had their name on it because there was such a proliferation of total shit on the market with their logo and they wanted to maintain some standards. The thing with VW was a lot more anal. There was a shop in S.Dak called the Od Volks Home and had been around dam near as long as there had been beetles. VW made them change it. It has been Old Erv's Home since.

[SnoDawg]

Here is the message I sent to them I know I am a bit out of context but I think I got the point across. I always wanted to get late 50s vette and stuff a 427 FE ford into it just to piss everybody off, some day I will find one.

So you are saying I cannot call my 65 Cadillac Superior hearse that is pretty much all orginial a SURVIVOR unless I have your permission. How about the winner of Survivor on TV do they need your permission hmmm Let me see if I am in a train wreck and I live through it do I need Your permission to call myself a SURVIVOR how about I beat Cancer Would I Need you permission to be called a Cancer SURVIVOR? Look If this message sounds stupid maybe you should look at yourselves.

[RocketDaemon]

[ QUOTE ]
These fuckers are going to give CORVETTE SUMMER a bad name. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

hell yeah, i'm gonna buy that one on dvd right now just because of that http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[zman]

[ QUOTE ]
I remember when Harley did it and it was a different deal. They basically just wanted to approve of anything that had their name on it because there was such a proliferation of total shit on the market with their logo and they wanted to maintain some standards. The thing with VW was a lot more anal. There was a shop in S.Dak called the Od Volks Home and had been around dam near as long as there had been beetles. VW made them change it. It has been Old Erv's Home since.

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually NO, they went after legit businesses just because of "hog" in their name. http://www.the-hog-farm.com/ They weren't even using Harley. That's what I'm talking about. And they sued Honda over sounding to much like a Harley, that's bullshit any way you look at it. It was shitty of them, VW, and now these asshats with the "survivor" BS...

[RocketDaemon]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I remember when Harley did it and it was a different deal. They basically just wanted to approve of anything that had their name on it because there was such a proliferation of total shit on the market with their logo and they wanted to maintain some standards. The thing with VW was a lot more anal. There was a shop in S.Dak called the Od Volks Home and had been around dam near as long as there had been beetles. VW made them change it. It has been Old Erv's Home since.

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually NO, they went after legit businesses just because of "hog" in their name. http://www.the-hog-farm.com/ They weren't even using Harley. That's what I'm talking about. And they sued Honda over sounding to much like a Harley, that's bullshit any way you look at it. It was shitty of them, VW, and now these asshats with the "survivor" BS...

[/ QUOTE ]

http://www.the-hog-farm.com/articles.html

intresting reading

[Brad54]

Well, the guy actually wrote me a letter back today.
Said he appreciated my perspective, and that I raised several good points. Also liked that I was respectful and a couple other nice things. I guess I was "On" at 2:30am when I wrote him.
Said all the other writers that have written about it spoke from emotion and one sided, etc. and said he'd like a chance to talk with me and tell his side--though he admits it may not change my mind, but he'd like a shot at it.
I'm going to talk to him in two weeks.
In the Mopar group, there is the OE Certified judging, and that's the benchmark. It's trade marked, for reasons listed in earlier posts. If the BG guys had done "Corvette Survivor" or some such thing, than fine. I agree with that, so they can protect their show judging, etc.
But to blanket ALL cars is just dumb.
If anyone is interested in the outcome of the conversation, I'll post it when it's done. (And I did actually say in my letter to him that "Corvette enthusiasts are perceived as gold-chainer elitists by the rest of the hobby...is this action on your part going to help or hurt how the rest of the hobby perceives BG and corvette enthusiasts?"
And he said I was polite! I wonder what they usually hear?
-Brad

[Flexicoker]

[ QUOTE ]
And I did actually say in my letter to him that "Corvette enthusiasts are perceived as gold-chainer elitists by the rest of the hobby...is this action on your part going to help or hurt how the rest of the hobby perceives BG and corvette enthusiasts?"
And he said I was polite! I wonder what they usually hear?
-Brad


[/ QUOTE ]
Maybe he took Gold-chainer as a compliment? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Unkl Ian]

[ QUOTE ]
Seems the gold-chainers over at Bloomington Gold have trademarked the word "Survivor" ...

[/ QUOTE ]

Maybe I should trademeark the word "Fuck",
and any obvious derrivitives like "Gold Chain Dumb Fuck".

[briggs&strattonChev]

honestly does this really impact anything? You can no longer use the word survivor in what case? They have control of it in any sense, so they can sue the tv show survivor now? Or they just somehow have control of it when referring to an old car? How/Why is it even possible to trademark a common adjective? Honestly, I dont understand how this could impact anyone........ http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

please explain to my why I am wrong in my train of thought

[Assdragger]

Sooo Brad, you gonna do an article on this?

If you put this in one of the mags you`ll have that many more people telling them what idiots they`re being!

[Gotgas]

You could just tell them you accidentally misspelled "survivur". http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[oldchevyseller]

the group i hang with is serious in vettes and went to bloomington in 95 with a 69 black on black, totally untouched the finest , one owner left in the garage car ,anyhow it got a 99 point rating, 8 thousand miles, we got gigged on a master cylinder with out bleeders, even thought they came with and with out either was correct , but not to the series of judges,being of sound mind my buddy, he started taking bids on it, and it went way high, then he said ,well i guess i am gonna just race it put a blower on it and run it , hell i cant be the guy that sold just a 99 point car ,or be seen driving a 99 point car, and we moved on , this is from a guy that carries 40 large where ever he goes ,but looks like he needs a free lunch, anyhow we bought a few bricks at the corvette museum and whenever we are there we talk people over to the bricks and just drone on and on about how my brick is slighter off color and his is more polished,christ ,they can't take a joke http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Nads]

Need a big stick? Look up a Corvette owner's ass.

[41ChevyTrucker]

Their argument quoted below is ridiculous. They didn't make up the word "survivor" it was in the dictionary and was a noun long before he was born, unlike the other made-up names he compares it to.


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"We don't want SURVIVOR® to lose its meaning or significance," said Burroughs, "only to have it become a descriptive generic name like 'yo-yo,' 'aspirin,' 'kerosene' or 'escalator.' Some trademarks that are often mistakenly used generically include 'Band-Aid®,' 'Jet Sky®,' 'Xerox®' and 'Formica®.' "

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[Gotgas]

He didn't even spell jet ski right. I wonder if Kawasaki is going to sue them for misspelling the name of their 1973 Jet Ski 400 product. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif And he completely alienated Scissors™ brand shears, and Crayola™ brand crayons.

Fuggin Vette guys. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

And fwiw, the word survivor ALREADY IS a descriptive generic name for anything that "made it" through an event or passage of time.

[Blownolds]

How many members are on this board?


Let's all chip in $100 and buy a pristine '54 Vette (or was the first ones '53? I can never remember) and then we can have a HAMB demolition derby with it. Wouldn't that be fun?

I suppose I am biased in that I don't care for fiberglass...

[Brad54]

The question is asked how this impacts anybody. I was told Hemmings had to go through all their ads and change the language of any car being sold that had the word "Survivor" in it. I haven't read the editorial they wrote on it, but I will find it.
So say you find a cherry '40 street rod that was built in 1955 and then parked. You can't say it's a "Survivor," according to these guys. And when you list it in Hemmings to sell down the road, you can't list it as a Survivor.

Or you luck upon a '72 Road Runner that's only got 18,000 miles and is PERFECT in every way. Road Runner's aren't your thing, but for $5,000 you can't pass it up, because you know you can take it to the Mopar Nationals and get $25,000 for it. Only you can't advertise ANYWHERE that it's a Survivor. Instead, you have to put in the descriptions "Low, original mileage, untouched original, perfect and original in every way, never modified, never damaged, looks showroom new." All because you just can't say "Survivor."

That's why this is stupid, and that's why it affects the entire hobby.
Hell, at all the big Mopar shows there is a Survivor tent, where they display low-mileage original Mopars (and you'd shit when you see some of these, even if you're not into Mopars or muscle cars: 440-6pak Road Runner, Hemi Challenger and Wing car are a couple I've seen). How does a Mopar show advertise they're going to have a display of these great cars?
I probably will write about this, but I don't know what my boss will do with it. I am going go get their side of the story, but short of protecting their interests in the Corvette world, I can't see how this is good for them.
Can anyone show me a quote from a Little Pages book talking about Survivor As and 32's written in the '70s?
-Brad

[kentucky]

Someone should trademark the phrase "Rat Rod" that way we will not have to see it plastered all over ebay and all the magazines http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I have a buddy with a 77 vette, I'm trying to talk him into putting a 351C in it http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[luketrash]

You beat me to it http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I guess I'll patent bling bling.

It shall now be only associated with my feces. Any further use of bling bling shall result in heavy fines and jail time!

[sedan_dad]

Ain't nuttin' like pissin' off the purests.
I've thought about picking up an older vette.
I can't beleave the prices these plastic pigs are bringing.
Some of these vette folk take them selves way to seriously.
SD