Too bad "AntiChrysler" is taken....

[RileyRacing]

Not a slam on the man, but the brand! I rebuilt this damn 360 of mine, made it real nice. Drove it about 2 weeks, now I can't get the damn thing to stop leaking oil. It's coming from the stupid plate thing that the oil filter screws up against. I have changed the gasket twice, tried RTV silicone, dry... What should I do? Any of you Mopar guys got any ideas? PLEASE help!!! I was gonna drive the thing to the get-together tonight, but after putting in a fresh battery, it poured out 4 quarts onto the ground!!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Jason

[Bondo Slinger]

I`ve got a 360 that I`ve rebuilt without any problems. what plate are you talking about? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gifadapter elbow?

fix your leak and apoligize to the MOPAR Gods for bashing them! LOL http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[RileyRacing]

No, I got a later model that doesn't need the 90 degree adapter. It's this little plate thing that gets held onto the block with the adapter the filter screws into. It's harder to explain than I thought http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif But it goes in the same spot as that filter adapter thing does...

I will apologize once it is fixed and not leaking oil http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Jason

[Bondo Slinger]

Geez man, I don`t know what the problem is. The only thing I can think of is that plate got smashed or bent and the oil filter seal isn`t sealing evenly.

[RileyRacing]

I thought so too, but it straightedges fine. I guess I will have to go look for another one... Thanks though. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Jason

[Unkl Ian]

If it didn't leak that badly before the rebuild,sounds like something is missing or damaged.Any chance this adapter plate has a crack in it?Or maybe the wrong oil filter?

[Bondo Slinger]

Wrong filter? I dunno keep us posted I`m curious now. Good luck

[RileyRacing]

Don't know, Unk. I got the engine as a core to replace the one I bought the car with. It threw a rod on the freeway. MercMan1951 can tell you how pretty that engine was http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Jason

[Fat Hack]

The Exxon Valdeez lives, eh??? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Can you use the older style angle adapter on the block you have? I've had my small block Mopars leak a LITTLE oil from the front timing cover after cam changes before, but never at the oil filter adapter....that's a new one one me!

If all else fails, would a Trans-Dapt remote oil filter kit solve your problem? I just sold one for a small Mopar/Ford application...I wish I woulda known you needed it!!!

[McGrath]

Is it coming from the sealing edge of the plate you are talking about, or the Filter gasket? If its the Filter gasket, you may very well have the wrong filter on it.

[RileyRacing]

FH, boy the valdez is nothing compared to the driveway... I dunno if the 90 degree thing will work or not. I thought it was for applications with headers, but I got stock manifolds. I dunno. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

bftwcs, it is coming from the plate side. I too thought the filter was loose so I reefed it down, but now I see it is on the plate side. I am gonna go out in the garage after my son leaves (night at grandma's yeah! wife is gonna be gone too!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif) and look to see if I have another plate. Hopefully that'll do the trick? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

BTW, is it bad to use RTV in that area. I don't want it to get sucked into the filter/pump and screw up stuff, ya know?

Jason

[Fat Hack]

If ya get fed up with that thing, come on up to the bar tonight...we can make Chrysler jokes and drink a few beers...laugh your troubles away!!!

(My buddy's girlfriend drives a little Neon that leaks oil from the cylinder head like they all do. She has to dump oil in it every day...she told me that Neon stands for Needs Engine Oil Now! Witty gal she is!!!)

[Rooster]

Filter is same as Ford. PH8A for long, don't recall the short off the top O' my head.

The filter does indeed screw onto a stamping that's threaded into the side of those older blocks but I'm not sure exactly what to seal it with. Have you got it torqued on properly? That things gotta be pretty damn tight to insure it NEVER comes off when trying to pull the filter. But I don't see anything on it in my book here...

[RileyRacing]

FH, I might just do that... my wife had one of those "neon" things. First new car for her. POS. (shakes head)

Rooster, Yeah it's torqued up. My brother forgot to put the gasket on his when he rebuilt his truck engine, and it did this. So I was SOOO CAREFUL to remember to put it in, make sure it was torqued up, clean, etc. See what I get? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Jason

[tragic59]

Have you tried a new FILTER yet? If you straight-edged the face of the pad the filter mounts to and that checks out, then the gasket should take care of any surface irregularities that might be there... And silicon RTV, or some other gasket seal would DEFINITELY do the trick. The only thing left that I can think of is that the filter can itself must be mis-shapen somehow and that's causing uneven pressure on the gasket... Just a thought, but I think I'd try another filter. Maybe another brand too.

[Fat Hack]

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Put a small block Chevy in it! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I hear they never leak oil, won't break down or run slower than 9s in the quarter, and that parts stores will give you parts for FREE in the rare and unusual event of mechanical failure! How can you LOSE???

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10,000,000 Goldchainers CAN'T be wrong!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[RileyRacing]

Tragic59, yeah, I had a MOPAR filter on it before, now I just got a NAPA special. It is still leaking. It's that damn plate thing. Pisses me off ya know,!

FH, do you have one of them 90 degree jobs? I will love you forever if you do http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

BTW, I thought this was a small block chevy until it started leaking oil! Then I went to the parts store and told me it was a Chrysler. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Jason

[Fat Hack]

Sorry, J2...no Mopar parts left in inventory right now, but I can rattle a few cages and see what turns up for ya! I have a line on a whole 340, but haven't seen the kid around in a while...

...but look at the BRIGHT side...

....you can always roll through your own oil and do some WICKED burnouts! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[RileyRacing]

OK, I'm gonna dig around in awhile, see what I can come up with in the garage. There is some JB weld, duck-tape and a length of logging chain... hmmmmmmmmm http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif Oh yeah, the wife is gonna be out tonight http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Jason

[hotrodladycrusr]

I just sent a link to this thread to a Mopar buddy in Ohio, Jim Branch, SKR8PN. He should be able to help, he's a Mopar guru.

[Stevie G]

What condition is the gasket mating area on the block in?

Can you have someone else crank it while you watch with a drop light to get a better idea where exactly it's leaking?

I'm putting one of these in a 65 Barracuda and will be sure to look out for this when I get there.

[ELpolacko]

One of my former employees had the exact same proble with his 318. There is a "lathe cut O-ring" between that plate and the block and the ones that come with the engine gasket kits suck big time.

I took that plate to an industrial supply company and had them pull a ring that would fit. Next I used some 3M weatherstrip adhesive and glued the O-ring to the adapter plate and let it dry. A few hours later we installed the new ring and plate and solved the leak for good.



By the way, it is a stupid design. Similar to the spin on filter arangement on a Y-block Ford, only stupider. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Crease]

He only posts like once every five years anyway, you can probably borrow it.

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Crease
Barons So Tex

[RileyRacing]

Thanks for all the responses. I got ahold of my ex's stepdad ( http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif) and he has one of them 90 degree deals. I am gonna try that, along with a fresh gasket. Hopefully (knock on wood) that will allieviate the situation. And to anyone with a small block mopar, GET A FACTORY GASKET!! DO NOT TRUST THE REBUILD KIT!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

And to all who helped on this thread, THANKS. The HAMB rules!

Jason

[SKR8PN]

Rocket.......Let's start at the beginning......
When you assembled the motor,did you get a thick paper gasket to go behind that plate? Did you use it? If not,go to you local Chrysler dealership and get a new one. Next,BEFORE you install this piece again,I want you to lay in on a perfectly FLAT surface,like a piece of glass. I don't want you to look so much for warpage from side to side,but,I want you look and see if the CENTER of the plate sets flush,or a little bit ABOVE, the outside ring that the gasket sets on,where it meets the block. If it does,then reinstall it with the gasket,BUT DO NOT USE ANY SEALER ON IT! Put the gasket on DRY. Make sure that when you go to put that threaded piece into the block,that you torque it to 65 ft lbs and be sure you use some thread locker on it.
Next question........Do you have an oil pressure guage? If so,how much oil pressure does the engine carry? No guage?
Get one.......make sure the pressure relief valve in the oil pump is not sticking,and allowing to much pressure to the filter. Let me know how this works out. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[RileyRacing]

Yes, I used a thick paper gasket. The first time. That didn't work, so I tried the RUBBER(neoprene?) one that came in my rebuild kit. Leaked again. So tried RUBBER with RTV. Still leaked. Tried punching one out of paper. Dry. Leaked. Paper/RTV. Leaked. That is where I am now. Good thinking about the center though, as soon as I get it off the car I will check that out. Maybe it got overtorqued at some point and is warped. Definiately have to check that out. Thanks for your help, when I have more problems (not if http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif) I'll drop you a line. Now, off to work on the car!!!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Jason

[k9racer]

I ran into this problem a few years ago. The threads on the adapter(for lack of a better word) had been damaged and the filter would not bottom out it looked like it was closed tight and it felt that way but no crush on the gasket.I hope this helps.

[MercMan1951]

Jay, if you haven't told Dad about the leak yet, now would be a good time to give him the car...just an idea.

How about some of the "MotorSeal" stuff for plugging oil leaks?

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[RileyRacing]

Good thing he doesn't lurk on this site http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Went to Michael's and got an adapter. He's got a 440 sitting there "taking up space". Now that the Jeep's gone there's room in the garage... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Give me a shout tomorrow beeeee-ah-tch!

Jason

[MercMan1951]

I will, I relieved the Merc of the rest of it's floor this afternoon...I can see light at the end of the tunnel....

Check on the post about "kids and rods" pictures..I put one of Michael in Matt's truck on for ya, complete with the BUD can... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[RileyRacing]

Cool pic. I forgot about that day. Matt tried so hard to get that beer can to stay put in that window http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Too bad michael kept trying to drink it!

Jason

(it was empty, btw http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif)

[RileyRacing]

Well, the 90 degree thing didn't work. It interfered with the exhaust. Time for headers http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif. I dug around and found another plate, put that on, and viola, no leaks http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

But the damn clutch fan was shot. Found a spare for that too.

So, it seems to be roadworthy now. Drove it to fill the tires up. Yeah!

Thanks to EVERYONE who helped. You guys are the greatest!

Jason

[Fat Hack]

Keep that 90 degree oil filter adapter to get your Duster running, Bro! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

(Glad the oil leak is cured...no more slick driveway, eh?)

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