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BigJim394
09-26-2004, 10:44 PM
Well this is sort of OT for this board, but seeing the post about that Z28 Cross Ram on ebay that will probably go on a trailer queen that never gets driven, I thought I'd post this newspaper article from a Midwest paper:
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Real estate developer buys $2 million vehicle
By Dave Kolpack,The Forum

Published Friday, September 24, 2004

Bill Wiemann recently paid millions of dollars for a rare muscle car, but
that doesn't prevent him -- or some of his friends -- from driving it.

The West Fargo real estate developer and construction company owner bought
the 1971 Plymouth Barracuda convertible from an English car collector,
reportedly for more than $2 million. Although the price raised some
eyebrows, Wiemann isn't mothballing it in the garage.
"He'll drive it to work," said Roger Gibson, the Scott City, Mo., mechanic
who restored the car. "I take my hat off to him; he's kind of a cowboy.
"He's having fun with his stuff," he said.

The car is known for its beefy "Hemi" engine that recently made a comeback
in pickup trucks and sport utility vehicles. Of the nine "Hemi Cuda"
convertibles manufactured in 1971, the last year of production, Wiemann has
the last one made. It's also the best one made, Gibson said. "With the
production numbers so low, you have guys who have them and don't want to
sell them," Gibson said. "That's the key to cars being worth that kind of
money."

Wiemann, 43, calls the car a "passion, not an investment" and said he has no
plans to sell it, although he jokes about changing his cell phone number
because of numerous calls from interested buyers. "If I sell it," he said,
shaking his head, "then I'm just a broker." Some classic car owners fear
that the market is being inflated by investors who are acting as brokers,
said Lynn Mickelson, of Colfax. "In talking with some investment bankers
and financial people, the poor performance of the stock market over the last
couple of years has had something to do with the prices," said Mickelson,
who owns 15 classic cars. "People have pulled their money out of stock funds
and started investing in muscle cars and motorcycles."

Wiemann's car is white with black billboards on the rear quarter panels that
advertise Hemi. Gibson spent about 18 months restoring it, using parts that
were never sold. "New old stock is what we call it," he said. Gibson said
the car was in outstanding shape when he received it, with no rust. It had
been repainted once, but all the panels were original. "It's almost a piece
of Mopar history," Gibson said. Muscle cars were driven out of production
in the early 1970s by an energy crisis and skyrocketing insurance premiums.
"The price of gas went up to a quarter a gallon," Wiemann said. A native of
Verona, Wiemann bought his first muscle car, a 1970 Dodge Charger, when he
was 15. He owns several other classic cars, including the first Hemi Cuda
convertible ever made, in 1970. Wiemann said he wouldn't be surprised to
put 4,000 miles on his newest purchase this year. "I don't think you'll
find many owners who have driven their cars even 100 miles," Gibson said.
"He's a car guy. Everybody says he's crazy, but let's face it, this stuff is
about making you feel good." Said Mickelson, "I'm glad he's got it and not
me. I would be worried sick about it."

bufordtjustice
09-26-2004, 10:50 PM
That does not surprise me at all...as far as the price goes. They are so damn rare as it is and it being the last one is icing on the cake. I commend the rich fellow for driving it and not being a pansy when caring for it. Having these cars is all about driving and enjoying them after all, isn't it? If you have the money to burn to do that...more power to you.

Greg

Cadillacin Marcus
09-26-2004, 10:56 PM
Hey.... why the hell not?!! Its only money!

fab32
09-26-2004, 11:19 PM
Can a $2,000,000 '32 be far behind? Or has that barrier already been broken?

Frank

Mojo
09-26-2004, 11:27 PM
man, that's some serious balls... you're pretty much putting it in the hands of the other idiots on the road. It would be different if it's some new ferrari that can be replaced, but that's a pretty rare-assed car.

Just yesterday I saw some mint original 67 Olds 88 that was t-boned by a honda... pushed in the passenger door to the console. It survived some 37 years before some dumbass ran a stop sign...

leadsleadolds
09-26-2004, 11:34 PM
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Can a $2,000,000 '32 be far behind? Or has that barrier already been broken?

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Not unless they made 7 32's and I'm pretty sure they made at least 8

ray
09-26-2004, 11:39 PM
i look at it this way, it's just a car. it's insured. yes if it get fucked up on the scale of that carrier load of porsches's last week, it would be quite a loss, but remember, it's a car, meant to be driven. if it's worth two million, then it can be fixed from most any tragedy. the market on cars like this is getting to be it really doesn't matter any more if the car was a cherry stocker, or ressurected from the dead if it's THE car. few bother to leave em alone anymore anyway.

i hope he puts a sticker on the bumper that says "drive it like you stole it" http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Slag Kustom
09-26-2004, 11:39 PM
if he wrecks it it will make the others worth even more

guacamole
09-26-2004, 11:47 PM
Agreed, drive it like you stole it!

SinisterCustom
09-26-2004, 11:53 PM
Right on! Drive the piss out of it. If I had that kind of money, I'd throw some headers and a big 'ol cam in it with some Cragers and really piss off the purists. I don't understand why the people who can afford these types of cars never drive 'em. I say if you are too scared to drive it then sell it to someone who will. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Slag Kustom
09-26-2004, 11:57 PM
its a 71 it needs some side pipes and anson sprints along with the big cam http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

choprods
09-26-2004, 11:58 PM
Id like to be there when the joker pulls up alongside him and parks- gets out and throws their door into his.OUCH!

Brad54
09-27-2004, 12:07 AM
Milton Branson lives about 20 minutes from me--a couple years ago, his Hemi Cuda went for $1 Mill--the record at the time. He's got so many rare cars it's overwhelming--and they all drive. I watched them power shift an aluminum front-end Z-11 Chevy a couple months ago.
He put his '69 ZL-1 Camaro in Year One's showroom for a while, too: and drove it over there.
When the cars are that rare and expensive, it makes sense financially to restore/repair it if it's in an accident--even if it's totalled. If that Cuda fell off a cliff, the engine, fender tag, rear end tag, rear end center section (Dana--they'd have to replace the tubes, but the center of the housing would survive), Vin tag and the other body numbers would be the basis for a restoration, and it'd still be valuable.

Zora Duntov was at an historic race one time and said "We only made 7 Gran Sport Corvettes--and all 9 of them are here." or whatever the actual numbers were. At that point, someone found a part of the original car on a scrap heap after a race and built a car around it.

More power to them. Especially the guys with the big brass balls that drive and enjoy them!
-Brad

AntiBling
09-27-2004, 12:28 AM
Hes from ND, theres only 3 months of the year he'll drive it, on roads where our biggest traffic jam is when you get caught behind a combine.

Tony Bones
09-27-2004, 12:29 AM
If you have two million dollars to spend on a car you have the money to fix it if it gets hammered.

It's all relative. I like that he drives it. That makes me happy.

Tman
09-27-2004, 12:44 AM
ITS ONLY A PIECE OF FUCKIN STEEL! DRIVE IT!!!!!

ChuckleHead_Al
09-27-2004, 12:52 AM
Hey that's not fair David Koresh's 1968 Camaro sold for 35,000 dollars yesterday to some dumb ass from here..Seriously.......

willowbilly3
09-27-2004, 02:23 AM
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man, that's some serious balls... you're pretty much putting it in the hands of the other idiots on the road. It would be different if it's some new ferrari that can be replaced, but that's a pretty rare-assed car.

Just yesterday I saw some mint original 67 Olds 88 that was t-boned by a honda... pushed in the passenger door to the console. It survived some 37 years before some dumbass ran a stop sign...

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You can bet the 67 didn't survive all those years with a driver that didn't pay attention. We all know these jerks are out there and have to drive accordingly. If everyone would spend a couple years riding a motorcycle they would learn to drive like they were invisible and watch everyone like they were out to kill you.

briggs&strattonChev
09-27-2004, 03:23 AM
I wonder if its west fargo, ND? 2 miles away from me maybe ill see it.

zman
09-27-2004, 09:21 AM
It makes me feel good that he's gonna drive it. Hell if I had the money I'd drive all kinds of rare shit...

graverobber63
09-27-2004, 10:12 AM
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ITS ONLY A PIECE OF FUCKIN STEEL! DRIVE IT!!!!!

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BBAAAHHH!! I couldn't agree more!


...plus it's a fuckin mopar!

tinyelvis
09-27-2004, 10:20 AM
Willowbilly.. you are so right.. I had 2 REALLY close calls yesterday in the Imperial, full lock on all 4 wheels screeching to a halt.. I didn't hit anyone becuase I was really paying attention, and drive like I'm invisible, just like when I ride my bike.

Oh yeah, I love that that guy drives his Cuda.. that's cool!

HOTRODPRIMER
09-27-2004, 10:24 AM
I could have been a goldchainer if I had bought that hemi cuda that was for sell here in my hometown in 1972 when the gas prices shot up and everybody was unloading the gas hogs!

But, in the early seventys I couldn't afford rent and beer! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

The car belonged to a neighbor and he let a local guy take up payments,,,,,,,,,he bought a 55 chevy!HRP

Dat Dirty Rat
09-27-2004, 10:30 AM
Whitney Houston put that much up her nose..

Atleast he has something to show for it! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I'd drive that muthaf@#$er like it was my last day living!

Dirty

Kojack
09-27-2004, 11:08 AM
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Whitney Houston put that much up her nose..

Atleast he has something to show for it! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I'd drive that muthaf@#$er like it was my last day living!

Dirty

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LOL!!! That's a good point. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

hotrod54chevy
09-27-2004, 05:00 PM
hey,you paid for it,drive it.it's a car with wheels..if you wanted to pay 2 million for somethin that doesnt move,get a piece of furniture or somethin!
creepy

bootie
09-28-2004, 05:14 AM
had a custy shelled out best part of half a mill over 15 years restoring a rolls silver ghost started life as a rotted out chassis - drove the arse off it for a couplke of months and then sold it for a million - thought it needed red wheels and whitewalls - - if ya own drive it

Bruce Lancaster
09-28-2004, 10:46 AM
As several people have pointed out, a real top end $$$$ car like this may be the safest collector car to drive financially. There's nothing you could do to the thing short of dissolving it in acid that would render it unrestorable for far less than 2 million, and as for general wear&tear, the cost of taking it apart and redoing paint and soft parts every few years is peanuts at this level of value. It's people with cars that are worth $20,000 that have to worry about destruction beyond car value or real insurance coverage.

Bigcheese327
09-28-2004, 11:01 AM
This is what I like about hot rods (and I'm using the term generally, not just '23-'48 Fords) is that you can build whatever you like, to drive, and never feel bad about it. In fact, after about 1949, if I were to build a car it would look largely stock, cosmetically, and have as much later-model high performance as possible.

I don't know what production figures were on '71 non-Hemi 'Cuda convertibles, but you could still get a cheaper one, a crate Hemi and assorted other heavy-duty parts (Like maybe a six-speed from a Viper and not necessarily Chrysler parts... like a Ford 9"?) and have a car that was as nostalgic and fun to drive without the worries and headaches of owning something that was one of seven originals.

That being said, the guy rocks for actually using his collector car. After all, they are still cars, right?