RANT! Its 'Punch A Resto-Nerd In The Nose' Time

[Homeresque]

OK. Im not some young stud covered in tats, I got more gray hair than not. And Ive been addicted to the FordBarn message board as long as Ive been to the HAMB. Lately the usuals on the Early V8 portion of the Barn have been getting a little militant in their disgust of anything not totally restoration-minded, even berating one guy who had the GALL to consider fitting a '40 dash in his '39. So now, one dude chimes in about how he'd ventured onto the 'Streetrodder' board of the Barn and how it painfully affected him and this whole long thread develops about 'bad hot/streetrodders' chopping everything up, one guy even going so far as to badmouth the HAMB. More than I can stand! I come in late and say how disappointing this all is and point out that you never hear a hotrodder bagging on resto-guys, yet its common for the older(and supposedly more mature?) nerds to regularly take an elitist/snobby/shitty attitude towards hot/streetrodders, and asked why dont they just grow up? Some dork comes back accusing me of cutting up cars, blahblahblah.
So I quit the Barn(you know, before they fire me!).
Soo...as soon as my roadsters on the road and I encounter the first resto-dork(prolly in 'period-correct outfit') coming the other way, Im giving him one big fat juicy HAMB middle finger. He wont even see it as he'd rather die than look over at my rolling abortion. But it'll be there nonetheless in all its HAMB-glory!! C'mon boys, WHO'S WITH ME?!?
Ahhh, I feel so much better now, hangin with my TRUE homies. OK, Im done.

[PEDDRO]

Not worth worrying about....

(though this COULD crack 6 pages....)

[4t64rd]

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... Im giving him one big fat juicy HAMB middle finger...

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I knew this would come in handy,
http://home.earthlink.net/~mdandmc/images/Bird1.gif
I've gotten a few parts from the FordBarn advertisers, I just don't tell them what I'm using them for until I get a feel what their opinion of us "butchers" is. When they say "stinkin' hot rodders" I say "Yeah, them stinkin' hot rodders! fuck 'em all!" Then I get my part and do what I want with it.

[Upchuck]

there is/was some decent folks over there and answered several questions I had but when I got the idea not to "restore" it I knew better than to ask anything more and slowly just quit going to that board, good knowledge and resources there just have to play by their rules on their board same as here http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
they didn't seem anymore critical of a guy unrestoring a rig anymore than the more vocal HAMBers in regards to VW's and ricers http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

then again I haven't been there for several months

[tommy]

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there is/was some decent folks over there and answered several questions I had but when I got the idea not to "restore" it I knew better than to ask anything more and slowly just quit going to that board, good knowledge and resources there just have to play by their rules on their board same as here http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
they didn't seem anymore critical of a guy unrestoring a rig anymore than the more vocal HAMBers in regards to VW's and ricers http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

then again I haven't been there for several months

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Well said

[Tman]

Funny thing, I know a rodder that hangs out there and lurks here. He knows me quite well and thinks this place is a little "heathen".............wait, I answered my own thought http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[racer5c]

I am collecting parts for a replica of my dad's 40's lakes car (better known as Art Chrismans 25 car) I was at a swap meet in Zepherhills Fla and stumbled across a 1923 Franklin Steering that I REALLY needed for the car, the guy asks me what model Franklin I have and I tell him what I am needing the steering for and he proceeds to rip me a new asshole tellin me that Mother F**kers like me are why there aren't any Franklin steerings around and to get the hell outta his booth. Funny thing was the swap meet was at a vintage race meet.

[DRD57]

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I got more not than gray hair http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[thirtytwo]

i read one post on a guy visiting the street rod forum...and one guy posted something like you better not go over to the hamb something about having an annurism or something ... i thought it was funny .... face it hes up tight about tci ...hes probely gonna blow when he sees neil making a 32 shell out of a GM part i dont think that was a slam against the hamb

[Homeresque]

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there is/was some decent folks over there and answered several questions I had but when I got the idea not to "restore" it I knew better than to ask anything more and slowly just quit going to that board, good knowledge and resources there just have to play by their rules on their board same as here http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
they didn't seem anymore critical of a guy unrestoring a rig anymore than the more vocal HAMBers in regards to VW's and ricers http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

then again I haven't been there for several months

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Well, Ive never been one of the baggers of VWs/ricers since I spent 20 years squeezing VWs/Porsches and think Hondas are the Model A's of this generation. Butttt..., theres a certain relation between hotrodders and restos wherein we are 'working the same mine', and if you go over there(or anywhere with restos) and if you dont 'play by their rules' you suffer their wrath. But when was the last time you heard a hotrodder say on his board 'Gawd, I went to the Model T swap and what a bunch of toothless-hillbilly-overall-wearing-dorks with brass lamps'?? We dont do that, in fact its the opposite. You hear young guys saying they saw something really cool, or met some guy who really knew the shit. And in this case its wasnt even someone not playing by their rules, just a general urge to start bagging on non-resto-types.
I know, theres a LOT of really cool, knowledgable, NORMAL people there(ME, Bruce, Stan) but Ive just had it with the nasty negative shit from some Early V8 Club dorks in overalls and derby hats, and Im not going back. I had my doubts about us HAMBsters recently, but Ive seen us in a new light now...we're the best! We should just jump back and kiss ourselves. Even Don with his no-hair interior.

But dont forget about the finger!

[Homeresque]

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i read one post on a guy visiting the street rod forum...and one guy posted something like you better not go over to the hamb something about having an annurism or something ... i thought it was funny .... face it hes up tight about tci ...hes probely gonna blow when he sees neil making a 32 shell out of a GM part i dont think that was a slam against the hamb

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From my observation they think very lowly of the HAMB. 'Course, if we bathed once in awhile we might get more dates.

[steevil]

Yep. The only game in town for model A parts and the owner hates Hot rodders.

I bought a bunch of stuff from him and he finally got wind of what I was building and gave me nothing but attitude.

Funny, even after he knew I was building a rod, he still had no problem taking my cash.

[Kojack]

I'm not much for the stocker type guys. I can't even GET help on my Kaiser if I say anything about the fact that I'm customing it... they hate it.

[thirtytwo]

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'Course, if we bathed once in awhile we might get more dates.

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[The37Kid]

racer5c, Is this the car your dad had? If so you'll need a Franklin front axle too. Back in the 1970's I was restoring a Riley 4-Port sprint car, and found a Franklin steering setup that was once in a midget, sitting in the dirt at the local junkyard. Walked over to the office to get a price on it, "What does it fit?" asked the yard owner. "Don't know, I need it for a garden tractor" I said. "Ok, five bucks.". You have to think quick. I like all kinds of cars, there is more info on the HAMB and more informed people than any other site I've seen. I really enjoy being here and sharing what knowledge I've picked up along the way.

[HotRod60F100]

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i read one post on a guy visiting the street rod forum...and one guy posted something like you better not go over to the hamb something about having an annurism or something ... i thought it was funny .... face it hes up tight about tci ...hes probely gonna blow when he sees neil making a 32 shell out of a GM part i dont think that was a slam against the hamb

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From my observation they think very lowly of the HAMB. 'Course, if we bathed once in awhile we might get more dates.

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They look at us the same way people look at members of any outlaw biker group http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Tman]

Hey, I posted something like this a couple years back. Wear your HAMB T shirt to an average rod event. I have seen the looks cast in my direction. Fuckin idiots wanna judge me? hahhhahaha, they should know I am the one who judges! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif that is entirely satirical, and I hapen to be watching the HISTORY OF THE WORLD http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[BUICKNAILHEAD]

Sign me up on that.

NAILHEAD

[bigfive]

ive never been to the site but it sounds like a bunch of stuck up old farts. i know a few around here like that. i'll see um check out my 54, try to figure out what it is... then shake there head. fuck um. i got a friend i buy model a parts from. he's a resto guy. looks at my cars and laughs. i told him about my 31 build... chop, channel, z'ed... i told him "hey at least its not sittin in some old farts back yard, waiting for some love." he agreed.
i think the hamb is great. large varity of styles, people, and knowledge that are ready to share.

[haring]

Building a period-correct hot rod is just as anal-retentive as restoring a car.

Well, it is if you're doing it the right way. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[tomslik]

no shit!


kinda funny, those old restorers don't want to pay for the parts we don't need, they think we should give 'em to them.


...then i throw it into the iron trailer;)

[swazzie]

Fuck YAH! HOMER! Get it man!

[Petejoe]

Why is it important to be accepted by any group ?
If we chose to be different and our tastes is not of the majority. Then we are asking for a mix of attitudes and opinions of our cars and/or lifestyles. The fordbarn has a great wealth of knowledge and experience. Most of these guys were actually driving these cars everyday in the 40's and 50's. These guys love the look of the Ford cars in the original form. How could anyone not love the body styles created by the men who were lightyears ahead of their time. And the sound and nostalgia created by a flat out running flathead is the best music ever created. These older guys worry that we are ruining these styles and lines created by Ford. There are also alot of old hotrodders from the 50's whom have decided to go the stock route later in life just for these very reasons. I appreciate the stock form along with the chopped channeled look. Most of the cars we tear up are actually in a condition too far beyond making them stock anymore. It's one thing to tear up a choice original Ford that's in good shape. Its another to take one in pieces and throw it on a Ford or fabricated frame and bring a junkyard flatty back to life.
Who said...........???
Chop it with an axe and paint it with a broom. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[deuce]

hambers don't bag on other car builders (restorers, gold chainers, other general screw ups), since when??????

[JimC]

It is my thought that if any item is advertized or displayed publicly for sale, then the item is and should be available to any one who displays the capability of purchase(Money or item of barter).
I believe that any one who refuses to sell to any one is guilty of breaking at least four or five points of law and even trampling on some of the amendments to the United States Of America's constitution.
I am not in favor of "the finger", I am in favor of asking the individual, or individuals if they want to face me in a court of law.
It really does not cost that much to use the Small Claims court system.
Another option would be to ask for the swap meet's organizer to intervene or if the refusal to sell and the added negative comments were the opinion of the promoter?
Maybe, the word would get out and this unacceptable behavior would cease to exist.

[J Man]

If you really want to piss one of them off buy one of their totally restoed cars and turn it into a hot rod. When you are done drive back to their house and tell them that it was their car.

[ponyboy]

I am just happy that no matter how monstrous my car becomes, it will still be accepted on the HAMB http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Morrisman]

I had a parts-shop owner give me some mild grief because I chose to hot rod my Morris. I pointed out that I'd started off with about half a rotted bodyshell and no running gear. What the hell am I supposed to do, I asked him, scour the earth trying to find a complete 1934 Morris Eight rolling chassis, drive train and interior, just so I can have a car exactly the same as several thousand others that rolled outta the Morris factory? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[earl schieb]

Man, this IS gonna go six pages(so I'll do my part http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif)

It really seems to be a poisonous attitude with those resto guys--too bad http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif.
One of my goldchain customers was building a glass 37 Ford, had it up to roller status, and an old geezer came in his shop, saw it, then proceeded to give him immortal hell over "ruining that old car". After a 3-minute screaming red-faced rant, my guy says "Are you through? It's FIBERGLASS!" The geezer turned and left http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[oldspeed]

Ok, I'm a new guy here, so maybe my vote don't count, but I got lots of gray hair hell I'm lucky I got hair. I have restored cars and bikes as well as built choppers in the sixties. I got retored cars and a hot rod. I built my model A as a hot rod I always wanted, Hell it's not period correct, I didn't know what period correct even was until a year or two ago, but I did all the work including the motor tranny and paint. The end result of all this is who gives a fuck, it's about doing what makes you appreciate your ride, it's yours. If someone gets uptight about you cutting a car fuck um, If the restoration people get bent cause they don't like the rods it's there loss. Look at who was one of the original rodders Henry Ford himself, he was always interested in speed and style, If it wasn't for rodders the new Chryslers would have chopped tops now would they. Sorry for the long post.

[Bigcheese327]

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If you really want to piss one of them off buy one of their totally restoed cars and turn it into a hot rod. When you are done drive back to their house and tell them that it was their car.

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And how do you piss off a HAMBster? Buy his period correct, flattie/early overhead powered roadster and stick billet geegaws all over it with a crate motor and a faux-EFI aircleaner.

[Bruce Lancaster]

We're restorers too, we just have time machines with more adjustments available--
If those guys get hold of a deuce, they have one setting stuck on the time machine: That thing has to be brought back to October 5, 1932 and that's it.
We can take the same heap and choose to transport it to 1952 or 1962 or...

[AHotRod]

There are No-Rules.

If you don't do what makes YOU feel good, your wasting time and lot's of money.

[Steel Phoenix]

Wow, that's the wisest thing I've read all morning! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Can I use if for my sig line?

[Petejoe]

Bruce, That almost sounds like a quote from Fred Offenauser.

" Restorers have their time machines set a 1932, A Hot Rodder has multible settings of 1942-1952 and 1962."

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I love that saying! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

A Streetrod has a Smallblock up front and a can of Wax in the trunk.
A Hotrod has a Flathead up front and a box of Tools in the trunk.
Fred Offenauser

[Kilroy]

The Fordbarn has always had that element on there. I've been on there for years. Good people have come and gone from that forum because of the holier-than-thou mentality of many of the participants.

But to play devils advocate a little bit...

We all know how hard it is to find suitable bodys to Hot Rod, think about how tough it's gotta be to find one to RESTORE. And for all of you saying that period-correct hot rodding is the same as restoring, I'm calling BS on that one. We can start with something of much lower quality and create a bitchin hot rod out of it that will get all sorts of awards. But try winning anything with the same piece of crap as a restoration.

For myself, I understand the frustration of restorers and will never hot rod anything I find that I feel is "too nice." It just wouldn't feel like hot rodding. It'd be cheating. But then again I have a pretty good idea of what restorers are looking for and I just don't have the cash to but into that market.

[Smokin Joe]

I can respect people who bring a car back from the dead. If they chop & channel & hotrod it or hunt everywhere for that NOS dash clock to make it just like it came from the dealer. Either way, they're car people, having fun with what they're doing. I can dig that. Holyer than thou attitudes detract from either group. I can even understand ricers and V-Dub freaks. Everybody has to start somewhere and while I think putting the slicks on the front wheels of a drag car or putting $4,000 stereos in $400 cars is just plain wrong, at least they're not competing with me and jacking up the prices of the stuff I want to use. The HAMB is for traditional rodders, FordBarn is more for the restorers and there are other sites for the ricers and Volks-Folks. As long as we keep our dogs from shitting in each other's yards and show a little discression there's no reason we can't all get along in this neighborhood. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[345window]

Here we go again...I can understand it pissin you off, but when you stopped going on the board you once thought was great....they won. We have a vendor spot at Hershy, yeah you get some looks...but I'll bet there aren't too many people having more fun than us!

[Petejoe]

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For myself, I understand the frustration of restorers and will never hot rod anything I find that I feel is "too nice." It just wouldn't feel like hot rodding. It'd be cheating.

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Does this car fall under this category? I have been struggling with this one since i bought it. It has every nut,bolt and even extra pieces of sheetmetal.
29 A Briggs (http://volcano.photobucket.com/albums/v11/petejoe/29%20Ford%20Briggs%20Blindback/)

[Darkharts]

I know i just found the hamb not to long ago but i grew up with cars and see a pretty good tragic flaw. In two cases with different cars i have owned i have incountered the same crap. With my stude the older club members had absolutly no interest in being any help other then to tell me it was wrong to make it a even slightly hoped up. With my olds the club took me in and was very nice about offering help in locating the few parts i needed in the beggining. Mind you when it came time to get parts i got two seperate talks from two different members basically telling me i was in the wrong if i was not going to use the parts to make it original and that all deals were off if i had other intentions. So in the end they both have never seen or had any of my support for there club. The particular olds i bought was well know to the club - they had first dibs on it and passed it up, i bought it got it running and took it straight from the field to there meet happy as a clam. They even gave me an award for the work i had statrted to do and were astonished i drove the car they did not want to buy. After that meet i had no desire to be part of any group that thinks they need to think for there members. The tragic flaw in both cases would be who is going to get there cars when they turn for the dirt nap comes? Not all the young members they embrace! They have a holy quest that is too heavy in stupid and not so filled with wise folks who can see above there own limited opinions. Crazy's folks are good because they keep a group interesting and drive up - fanatics end up with lots of stuff they can never enjoy and very bitter. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif I like the hamb because the folks are taking the time to hand the knowledge down - not the bullshit! Thanks to those who make it possible - and to the resto nazi's it don't matter - you whont be around. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

People who carry the torch need to keep in mind the torch was passed and it is hard to continue the tradition when theres nobody left!

[Bruce Lancaster]

Aaaah, the engine's the wrong color, and the emergency brake cotter pin is zinc rather than #2 cadmium. Might as well chop and channel it.

[cleatus]

Hell, I've got nothing against restorers - I'm glad there are guys that make a point of preserving stuff just as close to original as possible, but once there are several hundred "perfect" ones out there, the rest are all fair game.

A few years back, I was at a local auto museum and the volunteer tour guide guy spots me looking over some cars real close and latches onto me (mostly cause I was about the only one in there) and starts going into his monolugue. Eventually he gets around to asking me if I have an old car. Yep, I say, I'm working on a 40 chevrolet. Well...now he really lights up - big smile - and starts asking me about it. So I tell him I'm trying to make it look like an early 50s custom ....I chopped it, and stretched the....Wholey cow! you'd think I just pooped in his cheerios! He starts on a tirade about how wrong it is not to restore it.

I said, "well, you should have seen what I started with, it really wasn't prime for a resto"..."Dosn't matter.." he says...So I say "I wouldn't even want an all original 40 Chevy, 'cause they were damn ugly cars straight from the factory!" now he's really bent.

When I left, I dug around in my truck and found a couple photos of how fucked up my car was when I originally brought it home - really just a rotted shell on two frame rails, so I walked back in and showed the guy. He utters very quitely "yeah, there were no good parts left on that"

[Kilroy]

Well Pete, if you want my honest opinion...

I'd try to sell it to a restorer. It's a 4dr which isn't as desireable for a hot rod in the first place. I think in the end it would be more valuable as a restored car than it would as a Hot Rod. If it's all there down to the correct bolts, someone will probably bring it back.

[Neverdunn 51]

My dad has a pretty tight 37 humpback sedan with fames. Wax in the trunk too.

Anyways, a few years back, some old turd saw the 454 under the hood, looked over at my dad and said "It's a damn shame that you cut up a perfectly good car to do THIS to it"

Well, my old man came unglued and replied with "Who in the hell said ANY of the cars here ever started off as perfectly good? The truth of the matter is that street rodders and hot rodders have saved WAY more cars from the scrapheap then you asshole restorers EVER will and since you are at a STREETROD show, I suggest you either start to appreciate STREERODS or get the phuk outta here."


The point is the same here though, you might not like what you see at a certain site or show, but you should at least have enough common sense to act accordingly - at least till you get what you wanted.

John

[metalshapes]

I had an old guy come up to me at a show where I had my Roadster, And he said " You took some libertys with that body."
He made it sound very accusatory...
I could have explained to him that I built it out of parts of 5 different cars ( different types and years too ), but I just looked him straight in the eye, smiled and said "yeah."
If anybody is going to be pissed off, I'd rather have it be him than me...

[lucky_1974]

Hobbies are always changing...I wanted to raise Passenger Pigions but that look unlike as they are all dead. When all the "good" bodies are gone then people will have to change. I think the funny thing is that people feel as though they can effect this evoloution. If there was only two original 32 three window left in the world some guy rich then any restorer would buy both and hot rod one just to make it real rare... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

And ya that car is Racers5c's dads car, personally I like the car better in that picture then in the extended frontend version that is in the Museum. But its cool the car is still is around in any version.

[Roadsters.com]

Although I would never defend someone that was cutting down a hot rodder for not restoring a mass-produced early Ford, I can understand both points of view.

Whenever I see a group of hot rods, it's maybe one car in twenty that will really get my interest. The rest of them always seem to miss the mark in some way. Either somebody started with something that I wouldn't have bothered with, or they did something to their car that detracted from it in some way. In cases like that, the car would have been more appealing to me if they had just left it alone.

Although I love traditional hot rods that are built with authentic, early parts as much as anyone, I also appreciate nicely restored cars, too. If you think that a '53 Studebaker coupe needs louvers and Moon discs to look good, wait til you see one that's been flawlessly restored. Those cars were great art. And I don't think that when a hot rodder finds, for example, an uncut '32 Ford Victoria and decides not to chop it and fill the roof that there's anything wrong with that.

I've seen thousands of hot rods and customs that I just plain didn't like: cars that were changed for the sake of change without achieving the improvements in performance and aesthetics that we strive for. Think back to the Eighties, and all those billet smoothie cars that were built. When I see someone take a '39 or '40 Ford Deluxe coupe or sedan delivery and take off all of the trim and paint the grille, to me they spoil the car.

I don't care what most people think. Aside from sites related to drag racing, I don't read any other hot rod or classic car forums because I don't have the time. But the split between hot rodders and many of the restoration crowd has been going on since before most of the people on the HAMB became hot rodders. My first exposure to it was when I was 16, in 1968, and had to convince a 70-year-old man that the '29 Tudor I bought from him was going to be a father and son restoration project. Then, in 1970, when I bought a Deuce five-window and went to a meeting of the local classic car club, I got up and announced to the group that they could have their mechanical brakes and their gutless engines, because I was building something that I could drive on the highway. My remarks were met with nervous smiles and weak handshakes and I never went back.

We are hot rodders. We build what we want, what we love. The restoration crowd has its vocal purists and I can understand and appreciate their passion for preserving history and being respectful of the work of people who designed and built some very beautiful cars.

There will always be restorers who look down on us, just as there will always be classical musicians who don't relate to metal bands or jazz legends.

Dave Mann
http://www.roadsters.com/

[SamIyam]

Just keep in mind that the guy(s) who raise all the stink are in the minority.

Btu because they are so vocal, they seem like they are in the majority.

I grew up in a Model A club, and the politics and bs that make up the stock vs. hot rod argument are engrained in some people... and they will not go away until they die.
(boy do I have stories to tell)

So, take pride in pissing these people off and getting a rise out of them... and never, ever... EVER let them see YOU sweat.

FWIW, there are MANY restorer's out there that appreciate hot rods and what we do... just as there are many hot rodders (like me) who appreciate restored cars... one hand washes the other... and it is the guy who is pissing and moaning (in both camps) that is loosing out.

Sam.

[scarliner]

This happened to us this year on the way to the Hamb drags.Me and choprods were fueling up at a convience store, a guy comes up to choprods and says"I hate to see those old cars all cut up like that"---choprods reply was a classic---"then turn your head and look the other way".

[lucky]

back when i was beginning to learn bodywork, the guy i worked for and i were discussing how uptight those folks are...at that point i came up with a great idea...wouldn't it be a f'n RIOT to take a nice, older-resto model A to one of their shows along with a truck full of tools and start stripping off everything and start chopping the top on it...stick a for sale sign in the ground and start making a pile around it: fenders, steering, etc...everything you would not use! they'd shit their pants!

[Assdragger]

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This happened to us this year on the way to the Hamb drags.Me and choprods were fueling up at a convience store, a guy comes up to choprods and says"I hate to see those old cars all cut up like that"---choprods reply was a classic---"then turn your head and look the other way".

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Yeah, they hate to see those old cars cut-up like that but they also dont see the pieces of shit we start with, they sure as hell dont wanna RESTORE em!!

[Fraz]

What shuts them up best is this:

"If YOU want ME to restore MY car, than YOU pay for it. I'll restore it no problem. Oh, you're not going to pay for it? SHUT UP and SIT DOWN. It's MY car I will do what I want with it. If you want to restore it so bad, I'll sell it to ya. Will cost you $250k."

That got the Kaiser purists off my back for me wanting to customize my 48 Frazer. It's worked on a few guys that want me to put my 60 Buick back to stock too. They back off when you mention their pocketbook.

[porknbeaner]

Don't know nuthin' about the fordbarn so I can't comment on them. But I do know somethin' about resto guys. I think they should all own Muscle cars and leave our stuff alone.
About a year ago I was going to buy a 51 buick 2 door from a guy cheap because the tranny didn't work/shift right and it was rough (but doable with a little primer and some blankets) but solid.
Almost had the deal tied up 'til I opened my big mouth and said I was going to drive it. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif he said," Nope you can't drive a car like this." and it was instantly not forsale. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif And he was a younger guy to boot.
Ya know what they say, anyone can restore one but it takes a real man to chop one up. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Just blow it off friend, we still like ya.

[Flexicoker]

Elrod drives a bone stock Model A http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif



http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Rand Man]

We would not be able to find a car to hot rod if it had not already been passed over by a restorer

[leadsleadolds]

I agree with SamIyam The guy I go out car/part hunting with is a restorer and we have no problems. Hell Ive bought a car from him and cut it up. Although the more we hang out the more he seems to be leaning to the dark side. The asses are always louder than the silent majority who dont care its your car do what you please. Even if I had the money if I found a RARE car in great shape I probably wouldnt use it for a hot rod or custom anyway, but mostly because I cant afford it.

[TooMany2count]

ya know what FUCK them all. first off if its my car i'll do any damn thing i want to it, but at the same time i'll never bad mouth someone who likes them restore them. and who really gives a fuck what kinda car it is, wethers its a damn ricerburner/VW/stocker/streetrod/hotrod/old school or whatever. to each his/her own.
personally i cant stand the newer ricerburners/VW's but i do like some of their older stuff(pre70's). i could care less whatsa got, personally i may not like your car but i'll respect your choice(at least most the time).
this kinda reminds me of a friend who raced a hot vw bug. it was an all steel, 32,000 mile car that was given to him when his g-ma passed away. well after driving it for 3yrs stock he decided to make it a street/strip car. he built a 2500cc mtr & wild tranny set up. at the track he was known for pulling about an 1/8 mile wheelie & going through the traps in the mid 10's. and all he ever got was grief becuase he was winning lots of races against big block chevy/ford/mopar cars. for the most part all he heard was "Fuck'n Volkswagon" from the guys he beat, very few would talk to him just because they got beat by a VW
i told him one day, yea know Elo fuck'em all. cause all i know is if a car, any car beats ya in a race, ya ain't gotta like it but you should at least respect the guy NO MATTER WHAT HE's DRIVE'n cause on that given day he was better & faster then you.

same goes w/hot rod'n or restoring a car. ya ain't gotta like what the other guy is doing but ya should at respect his views on how a car should be. wether it be hot rodded or restoring a car or truck..... like i said b4.. fuckkkkkkkkkkkk'em........joe

[tatts]

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OK. Im not some young stud covered in tats

[/ QUOTE ]
i am but i still feel the same.

[Baron Von Mike]

[ QUOTE ]
Aaaah, the engine's the wrong color, and the emergency brake cotter pin is zinc rather than #2 cadmium. Might as well chop and channel it.

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Well put. But it is hard doing a resto, and it costs more money, so I have respect for that crew and their way of preserving history. Too bad they don't have the same respect (as often) the other way. I can go to a vintage car museum or car show and get just as excited by a period perfect resto or a custom. There's good work done by both camps. It's hard to play perfectly within the rules, and its hard to think outside the box.

[Hubnut]

I don't know about the "restorers" in other parts of this country, but out here it's the biggest joke you'll ever see. Old guys with these "all original" cars they keep locked away, when in the hell did an electric fuel pump on a 34 ford become original equipment! If you repaint your "all original" 50 chevy, guess what? IT AIN'T ALL ORIGINAL ANY MORE DUMB ASS! I have a good friend that is a "restorer", high dollar cars(shellby gt500, edsel convert, 55 t-bird, etc) they are really something to look at. He is also into buyin new stuff and putting it away, how bought an 82 vette with 386 miles on it, or an early 90's Bentley with a thousand miles on the clock, but he is also a hot rodder from back when. I love his stories of the old coupe he ran with a 430 Lincoln with a homemade log manifold on it. Guys like him are the true "restorers", they don't just know what size the hater box bolts are for their 34 Hupmobile but they know the history and understand all the aspects of this hobby and they respect those aspects. Sorry this was so long, I'm a dumb ass who has no friends. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[00 MACK]

And people wonder why Slag goes to wine and cheese cruise nights and sits on the hood of his flared ,big block tunnel ram,sleazy ass 64 Vette convert with his filthy boots,a greasy box of pizza,2 cans of soda and a pack of Marlboros sprawled all over the hood.

[SnoDawg]

Fuck em it's my car if I want to paint it piss yellow with olive drab flames I will if they dont like it look away.............

[mtflat]

I hang out at fordbarn, but it's a lot more comfortable here. I think their problem started when the Early V8 Club blew up and some of those guys hijacked the fordbarn site. It wasn't always like it is now, and I was disappointed Shelly caved in to their demand for a street-rod forum. It has really weakened a good site. There was even a guy recently going on about using slang terms like flatty, tranny, etc.

My favorite flathead forum is still BillB's msn group for '32-53 flathead V8's. A couple of the guys there are incredible gearheads and downright decent to boot. It's ok to ask hotrod questions, the guys drive their cars/trucks, and they'll even put up with an occasional sbc question without blowing a gasket. My daily driven '48 F1 (duals/smitty's/radials/12V and blue dots of course) is on the road because of them.

But that's flatties - for variety in my education I show up here. Thanks for letting me hang out - you guys and dolls are super cool!

[Thirdyfivepickup]

This is almost as much fun as the streetrod guys that won't let 1948 and newer cars into their 'club.'

Our local bunch is called 'Vintage Tin.'

Guess how many of them drive fiberglass cars...

[choprods]

Buy the restorers old Ford body and then send him the 4" sections of the roof posts you chopped-all wrapped in styrofoam packing to protect during shipping!
They will then get an Idea of how you REALLY are....... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Best parts source on the web is fordbarn, Sam's right- loudmouths talk all the crap and usually don't even have a car. I found out REALLY quick not to waste and time on the forums with the STOCK NAZIS! Also those forums are so GOD DAMN difficult to read I just can't stand it. I never know if I read all the replys or not- that side sucks, but if you need anything that's the BEST place to put an want ad I've ever found- sold a few things there too- and all of them were hot rod parts to hot rodders!

[kustombuilder]

they'll al be dead soon, and then we can hot rod their restored stockers!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[DrJ]

I think the one's that possibly irritate the most people outside their own group have got to be the "Resto-Rod" people.
Think about it, it's not a "hotrod" because it's very stock looking.
In fact, if it was a 39-54 Chevy it would be a "bomb".
But it's got just nough changes made to irk the restorers and not enough to get a rise out of the rodders...
I love them for it...Luggage racks and cowl lamps and small block Fords in Fords. With Jag suspension and Chrome wire wheels of course!

I met this restorer at the Belmont Shore show about a decade ago who had a couple of restored Star automobiles, one's a woodie. He was livid about all the "screwed up" cars surrounding him at that show. I tried to explain that a lot of them were probably beyond restoring to which he said "They can all be restored, it just takes more parts hunting" or something to that effect.
I said "Well So you find a couple of parts cars to get parts off of th restore one car, what do you do with what's left of the parts car? Isn't it ok to hotrod whats left of the one that's been compromsed? 'Mumble Mumble..." we didnt get anywhere...
Shoot forward to the Back to the Beach a couple or three years ago, I run into him again. He's still parking his restored Star woodie amongst the customs and rods but he isn't red in the face and mumbling an old man's conversation anymore. He's had the sense of mind to check out what peole are doing with the rods and has seen the creativity in them and although it's not the way he want's to put the stamps in his stamp collection albums at least he's accepted that this is the way other's have fun. We even compared wood work on our vehicles! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

I don't see any point at all in buying a $10,000+ perfectly restored, complete Model A roadster, just to yank the body off and channel it over some rails for a rod, and toss off the rest.
It is just cheaper and way less work and shows more integrety to buy a Brookville body for less money and build from that.
Doesn't it?

What I can see doing is using a perfect original or restored car for is a Zocchi, or Dore style, every piece of trim perfect, style of custom. Ya gotta have a perfect "like new" car to begin with to build that type of custom.

[fordnutz]

My take on restoring a car. Pull it apart, clean and repaint and rebuild the original parts and bolt it back together without changing a thing. Is this really fun? Am I missing something? Then go to a meet and have someone rag on you because you used the wrong bolts to attach something. Way to bizarre for me. Where is the creativity? Hot rodding: start with a body shell and make a complete running car the way you want, now that is a challenge. I could never be a restorer. Nutz

[Blownolds]

Just my own opinion, in terms of pre-war stuff, really super nice original cars pro'lly SHOULDN'T be hotrodded in anyway that can't be reasonably undone. There's TONS of rod material out there still to turn into some killer rides, I haven't yet seen the need to tear into a nice complete stocker yet.

I actually got the heebie-jeebies when I saw that a restored '40 LaSalle coupe got turned into a billet-mobile. It was icky-sickening actually. Maybe it was just because I find billet-mobiles to be rather bland and decidedly VOID of having any flavor of being an old car. Who knows.

I guess I like cars both stock and rodded, maybe that's where I'm coming from. But the way I see it, there are TONS of cars out there that are not nice originals, and plenty of incomplete or rough material that can be turned into killer rides.

I guess that and two bits will not even buy a cup of coffee...

[choprods]

I will confess to this-
I will never have the patience or desire to RESTORE anything. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
it must be something thats just inherant in your personality that God left out of me,,,,,,,,Imean -REALLLLLLY!
I am glad however that he saw fit to instill the urge to CUT SLICE FOLD SHRINK WELD AND HAMMER the FUCK outa anything and everything I come into contact with, till it suits my way of thinking. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
I envy those dudes!

[SKR8PN]

4 of my best friends are restorer types,and we all go to the Hershey meet (we camp together) every year. They give me a little shit(teasingly) about cutting my truck up.Only because it was a 65,00 mile, all original,numbers matching,VERY WELL documented,2 owner vehicle http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Ron,(one of the restorer buddies) just happens to be a MOPAR nut that still owns the very first car he ever bought, a 1940 Plymouth coupe. Ron was here the day we brought the truck home,and as we were standing around bullshitting,I happened to look under the front seat,and there,was the original hand crank for my truck. Ron was just AMAZED at how complete the truck was,and mentioned the fact he had never got around to getting the crank handle for his car. I handed it over to him and said "here ya go,you can have this one". He was stunned that I would give him a part for his car,especially one the belonged to a complete vehicle like mine. My comment? "If this fucker won't start with the battery,then I won't be DRIVIN' IT!,I am NOT going to be hand crankin' a V-8!!"
He took the crank without saying another word..........

[4t64rd]

One more thought, then I'll leave this alone... OK two more thoughts.

When I was younger (14-15) my dad had me convince that restoring a old car was the only thing to do. I even judged A.A.C.A. shows a couple of times. I can tell you, we never judged one to be 100% orginal snd PERFECT, if you've got a stray modern hose clamp hiding under the engine or plastic wire connector lurking inside a framerail, my monkey ass climbing under your car was gonna find it. There are very few people that have the time or money to find and pay for everything to be PERFECT on their cars. If a restored car isn't 100% original in EVERY way, like somebody mentioned better than original paint work, it's customized. Period.

Second point, we only need one PERFECT example of a car in a museum to preserve history. I doubt that anyone with a truly PERFECT car would fault hot rodders for modifying a car, they know what it takes to make one perfect.

[Kev Nemo]

Time to chime in....
I'm going to wear, listen and do whatever the hell I want cause it's my life, and f*ck'em if they can't take a joke http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Seriously, I listen to everything from underground hip-hop (Def Jux, Atmosphere), punk,drum n' bass, electro-core, 80's
watch everything from 'ER' to any Charlie Kaufman movie
I wear Chucks,New Balance, and old cowboy boots
and I like pretty much anything that goes fast...
close-mindedness is a disease that should be wiped out at all corners.
When someone asked about joining a club, the club guy said 'I don't know you; we're just a group of friends' so essentialy the question is 'Are you driving/wearing/listening/watching/reading something because of someone else's opinion or because you just love it'
Life's too damn short to live up someone else's expectations... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

ps-the Chevytalk guys are also Nazi's and VERY political(as in GWB vs. JK).Thank you Ryan and Grimlock for cutting all that crap out. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[oldchevyseller]

reminds me of the story of the guy at an auction, he bought a big axe ,and the home owner , came over after the auction and said "well i am glad to see somebody bought my grandpas axe, he cleared all the land around here and built this house, and what a history ," the guy said well that;s cool, of course the home owner said well i had to replace the head twice and the handle 3 times , but it sure has alot of history http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[48stude]

I think anyone who owns a HotRod or Custom probably has been accosted by some purest type at one time or another. Thing is,I love restored cars too, but I love hotrods and customs most of all. I've had this magnet on my dash for the last twelve years or so. Since I put it on, I can't recall being ragged on about butchering up my ride. It's kinda like one of those little things you put on your car to ward of the deer and other animals http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Bill
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v422/wbharrison/09_25_0.jpg

[HELLBILLY]

Got this on my frame rail,most of the time I get a Hell Yeah!
One time an older fellow looked me in the eye and said FU*K You Hippie! We rolled and laughed all over the parking lot for 5 minutes! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[oldchevyseller]

i see this come up in other forums also,


http://www.autoforumz.com/Antique-Cars-purist-rant-ftopict68936.html

[RaggedyRacing]

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this kinda reminds me of a friend who raced a hot vw bug. it was an all steel, 32,000 mile car that was given to him when his g-ma passed away. well after driving it for 3yrs stock he decided to make it a street/strip car. he built a 2500cc mtr & wild tranny set up. at the track he was known for pulling about an 1/8 mile wheelie & going through the traps in the mid 10's. and all he ever got was grief becuase he was winning lots of races against big block chevy/ford/mopar cars. for the most part all he heard was "Fuck'n Volkswagon" from the guys he beat, very few would talk to him just because they got beat by a VW
i told him one day, yea know Elo fuck'em all. cause all i know is if a car, any car beats ya in a race, ya ain't gotta like it but you should at least respect the guy NO MATTER WHAT HE's DRIVE'n cause on that given day he was better & faster then you.


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he he he

to me, that's what it's all about http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[adjustablejohnsons]

There's a guy with an import who wants to race my flathead powered Model A. I tried to explain the apples and oranges thingie, but it didn't get through. Then I proposed another competition. I would duel him with my pickup truck. Two races...Race #1 Red Light to Red Light. I predicted he would win. Race #2 We nose up to one another on a local dam. Then we see who can shove the other one into the water. He passed.

[Nads]

I've never been to the Fordbarn, but now I might, I just want to see what reaction the Packford gets. The HAMB is the ONLY place I frequent, thank God, otherwise I'd have even less of a life than some of you 'multiboarders' do.
I do go to AACA events as well as Studebaker/Packard and other tight assed shows specifically for the purpose of finding parts. Sure I look at the meticulously restored cars and I'm in awe of what it took to get the cars there. At the same time I find those cars to be lacking in soul.
For example my favorite car at the last Studey show was a '53 Starliner that had a hopped up SBC, it was seriously dropped and was running slot mags. It also had the original faded black paint. The guys that DROVE the car in were super cool, we yacked for ages, they also took a shine to the Packford.

The restorers for the most part had compacted toilet paper stuck up their bungholes. I'm sorry but this has been my experience ever since I was active in the local Tri Chevy club back in the mid '80s. I honestly wish I could have that time back, but the truth is there were no young dirty greasebags like me around in those days, so I wasted time with a bunch of geeks.

Restorers have to be myopic geeks, otherwise they could never build the sanitized cars they do. It's also been my experience that the hardcore restorer's goal is to accumulate points and sell that car and move on to next one so they can get closer to The Holy Grail, i.e the 1000 point car.

And if you wanna know the truth, every single "perfect" restoration I've ever seen is so far beyond what the factory built that it's not even really "restored", it's more of an excercise in utter cleanliness.

A car you can't drive isn't worth having, ditto a piece of furniture you can't sit on, a musical instrument you can never play or a girl so gorgeous she won't let you get in her pants.

Lastly, as far as how valuable a stocker versus a hot rodded car is concerned (let's just say Model As, not deuces etc) the hot rodded one usually gets more money.

Next time any you of filthy hot rodders go to to a resto swap, go incognito, don't let them know who you are.
Pretending to be European helps, but then they want to get more money for that priceless '28/'29 firewall.

[Byron Crump]

I can sum this up real quick...

Hot Rodder: Paints a mill and makes it look nice, can communicate with the general public and has buddies from all over the auto spectrum. Goes to car shows.

Resto goof: Paints a mill and then sprays overspray all over it because thats how they were from the factory, can't stand the plebs and wears those damn overalls and has a red rag out the pocket. Goes to club meetings and ice cream socials. I know of a sample we in Dallas would love to send you so you can see what they are like...I would just need to go over to masterBetos Mexican Food to get him and we can crate him up and send him your way. I think Rashy has first dibs on him, so keep that in mind.

[moparBenny]

i like hot rods and i like stockers....i just like old cars is there a website just for people like me?

[TUMBLEWEED GARAGE]

Time warp.............................................. .......

[Mooseman]

I love hotrods and I like restored cars as well they both have there place , the only thing that kinda of scares me is the thought that oneday we are all just going to run out of things . There will allways be aftermarket chevs and fords and stuff but what about the hemis and nailheads and olds rockets and flatheads and caddys and all the old cars and frames . You look at old pics of old scrapyards and at how many good cars were in those yards good bodies and chassis and it often makes me wonder just how many are really left out there .

[Weeks46]

If ever there was a time to say it, its now. FUCKING NEW GUY! Aye ca-rumba man look at the damn last time a post was made. Normally its spam this time of night that the old threads get drug up. That means I am comparing you to spam. I hope the mods close this drama thread.-Weeks

i like hot rods and i like stockers....i just like old cars is there a website just for people like me?

[DocWatson]

Its just like the eternal battle between Star Wars fans and Star Trek fans, will there ever be a resolution to the conflict? How many fake pointed ears and plastic Darth helmets have to pay the supreme sacrifice until we can all just get along?

Doc.

[666Irish]

I was on a similarly anal retentive board a while back. It was a British car forum. I was looking for a few things for the suspension on an MGA Twin Cam (a relatively rare car). I got hammered with a thousand snotty , holier than thou, asshole remarks from these guys. Funny thing was, it was a factory restoration that I was working on. They just wanted to puff up their feathers and show the 'new guy on the board' that they were smarter than everyone else.

I got sick of it really quick, so I played stupid and mentioned that I couldn't find the carb setup that I needed, so I tossed the twin cam in the junkyard and was fitting a Honda VTEC setup, and could use some advise.

Holy shit! I was amazed at how mental they all went, and how fast! It was hysterical! I was banned in 16 minutes, but I could still read the thread. It went from page 3 to page 31 in 6 hours before the mod locked it.

One of the best times I have ever had pissing people off via the internets!

[LOST ANGEL]

2004 says thank you!

[666Irish]

2009 says you're welcome.

;)

[Mooseman]

Haha I hadn't even realised how old this thread was .

[666Irish]

I didn't either. Read a few of the stories, and it got me thinking about my own experience with the D-bags on that Brit Car forum, so I thought I'd add my own. Never even looked at the date, just saw it on page 1.

[Cajun Kenny]

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x290/flh4speed/tinfoil_hat_antenna.jpg

wow! I think this thread may responsible for the rip in the time warp continium.

[moparBenny]

sorry i haven't been on here for a while...i actually have got off my ass
and worked on my car in my spare time.... so all threads are new to me....

[moparBenny]

holy shit 2004? is the HAMB really that old?

[Mark H]

I was on a similarly anal retentive board a while back. It was a British car forum. I was looking for a few things for the suspension on an MGA Twin Cam (a relatively rare car). I got hammered with a thousand snotty , holier than thou, asshole remarks from these guys. Funny thing was, it was a factory restoration that I was working on. They just wanted to puff up their feathers and show the 'new guy on the board' that they were smarter than everyone else.

I got sick of it really quick, so I played stupid and mentioned that I couldn't find the carb setup that I needed, so I tossed the twin cam in the junkyard and was fitting a Honda VTEC setup, and could use some advise.

Holy shit! I was amazed at how mental they all went, and how fast! It was hysterical! I was banned in 16 minutes, but I could still read the thread. It went from page 3 to page 31 in 6 hours before the mod locked it.

One of the best times I have ever had pissing people off via the internets!
Ha ha! They would have been spilling their gin and tonics all over their keyboards.
Just to let you know,not all us Brits are assholes,just some.:D:D
Mark

[666Irish]

Ha ha! They would have been spilling their gin and tonics all over their keyboards.
Just to let you know,not all us Brits are assholes,just some.:D:D
Mark

Oh, I know. I lived in North Yorkshire for a few years. I find that the actual Brits have more pride in their cars, while the Yanks are much more snobbish and self righteous about their British cars.

[panic]

Brock Yates said a long time ago that the best way to deal with the snobbery of luxury car owners was to rent a Rolls-Royce, and drive through their neighborhood very slowly with a crate of live chickens in the back.

[PhilJohnson]

Not worth worrying about....

(though this COULD crack 6 pages....)

Maybe this will get to be 6 pages after all, only took 5 years to do it ;)

[Ruiner]

holy shit 2004? is the HAMB really that old?

Older :O when the board switched in '01 is the oldest records you'll find around here...

[mctim64]

Ha!

[mctim64]

? that one didn't do it.

[zgears]

what's so bad about a restored car?

[Ruiner]

God damned FNG's and newbies are gonna keep this shit fest going for another year, can we close this please before more morons read the first post and chime in 5 years too late?

[hotrod32@usfamily.net]

Amen, the young uns or guns got this attude hell we,er all too old I owe all I know too the "olderguys" shut up and listen, oh and pull those pants up!!! yo pannties are shown