'34 Ford pick-up stuff....help a Broman out.

[Broman]

I have been searching all over the internet for some helpful info on 34 PUs and it seems like all I get is junk. It's either a MII/IFS or a full fendered truck that hides all of the goodies.

I wanna see some pics of fenderless trucks or rolling chassis stuff. I need to see some details - mostly frame/chassis work and suspension stuff. I want to learn more about z'ed frames and things like that. All I can find is Jimmy Shine stuff - which is cool, but I need other ideas too. Radshit is the only one who has given me some good details so far. I know there is more out there in HAMB land. I read the whole Tech-o-matic over twice and I have been looking at cheap ass web-pages all day.

Help me please. I want details - pics AND words (specs).
PLEEEEASE..... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[manyolcars]

I just got a cab and wanna know how to tell if it is 32 or 33 or 34

[Jeff Norwell]

manyolecars/33-34 cabs have an extra reveal/rbb that is around the back of the cab(beltline)
pick up stuff is getting harder and harder to find....I bought ALOT of sheet metal from wolf steel in Vermont.....good prices as well..I will try to find his web site.......

[Jeff Norwell]

here are some pics......

[Foul]

brush -
where in VT? by sheet metal, do you mean flat stock sheet or vintage tin?
sorry to hijack the post, broman
dan

[Jeff Norwell]

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[Jeff Norwell]

ops..sorry..last pic..I have shown these over and over again... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Jeff Norwell]

lemme see if I can find wolf steel......

[Jeff Norwell]

http://www.fordbodypanels.com/

go here....... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[NealinCA]

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I just got a cab and wanna know how to tell if it is 32 or 33 or 34

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32 has a removable firewall just like a car. 33-34 has a welded in firewall. Only 34 has the extra beltline on the back of the cab. If you cut the firewall out of a 33, it could pass as a 32.

Neal

[29EHV8]

Jeff,your truck looks kill.
Broman heres a few pics.....Shiny

[LeadSledMerc]

Broman,
Here are a few of the frame and suspension on my 33 during the build. The pictures aren't the best, but it's what I've got. I'll look for some others.
I think I gave you the specs for it last time you posted, but if you have any questions ask away.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/GOTCH/33%20Pickup/MVC-004F.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/GOTCH/33%20Pickup/MVC-007F.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/GOTCH/33%20Pickup/MVC-005F.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/GOTCH/33%20Pickup/MVC-010F.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/GOTCH/33%20Pickup/MVC-019F.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/GOTCH/33%20Pickup/MVC-038F.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/GOTCH/33%20Pickup/MVC-014F.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/GOTCH/33%20Pickup/MVC-017F.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/GOTCH/33%20Pickup/33rear.jpg

[Jeff Norwell]

SHINY/ http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gifDid you build that wicked commercial?......awesome......

[Jeff Norwell]

LEADSLEDMERC/.... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
DITTO on the wicked!!!!!

[tommy]

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I just got a cab and wanna know how to tell if it is 32 or 33 or 34

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32 cab uses the 32 removable firewall
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33 or 34... welded firewall protrudes into the engine bay
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32 and 33... 2 rear belt mouldings
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34 is the only cab with the extra belt moulding

If it's got the 3rd rear moulding it's a 34. If it doesn't, check the firewall to see if it's a 33 or a 32. There are other differences but if you have a bare cab this will tell you what it is.

[Jeff Norwell]

Hey Tommy..Daddy like! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[tommy]

Thanks I'm sure everybody else is tired of seeing them, but a picture is worth....

[Killer]

coil overs?

disc brakes??

RADIAL TIRES?!?!?!!!!!

fags.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/akakiller56/leftfront.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/akakiller56/rightsidebody.jpg

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[manyolcars]

Thanks guys, My cab is a 34 and I have a grill and an extremely good 34 bed, so I guess I have the start to another project......as long as I live to be 167 years old I have a chance at completing some of these http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Will someone please put up a pic of the hood side panels? I was surprized at how many hoods I got. I know most of them are A and T but theres two that may be 34. Thanks

[Tman]

And the most famous, I think Jimmy Shine had to get permission from Rocky before he built his http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Jeff Norwell]

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coil overs?

disc brakes??

RADIAL TIRES?!?!?!!!!!

fags.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/akakiller56/leftfront.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/akakiller56/rightsidebody.jpg

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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When I git mine finished and git it to the hamb drags....lets have a grudge match...heh heh heh //// http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[LeadSledMerc]

Hey Killer,

What ever.........It's on the road, it's on the strip, and I drive the shit out of it.

Get over yourself!

[Jeff Norwell]

amen http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Tman]

Another

[tommy]

http://fototime.com/{78DE3C2F-52C9-441E-A102-EFD38140409F}/picture.JPG

The 34 V8 hood looks like this only the center louvers are shortened for a V8 medalion. This hood is a 33 (all the louvers are the same length) or it could be a model C 4cyl truck. You can see that the hood has a curve at the lower rear. 33-34 interchange.

[chad]

I guess my cab is a 34.

[Killer]

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Hey Killer,

What ever.........It's on the road, it's on the strip, and I drive the shit out of it.

Get over yourself!

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See the smiley face I put there???

Your lucky you got one... cause that means I was in a good mood and poking fun at you.

So get the sand out of your vagina and laugh with me.

I wanna know when the HAMB turned into a buncha pussies who couldn't poke fun at one another????

Brush, I'd love to race ya but it's not mine and it'll prolly be sold by then. and it looks like you might be able to whoop this one a wee bit?

I can take a picture of a 34 truck hood tomorrow if anyone wants to see it, it has the V8 emblem Tommy was talking about.

Radials still bulge.

[PEDDRO]

NO!NO!NO!...not ANOTHER opportunity for Rocky to post a pic of the Rocky 33!!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[haring]

BRUSH -- thanks for the link for body panels. I was just about to ask about this soon, so now I know.

[Broman]

Leadsledmerc,

I didn't mean to slight you....I just remembered radshit's name first. You were holding out on me though....


Brush,
Is that frame a home-built or is any of that still from Henry's house? I want SPECS!!!! Kick-ups, channels, where the suspension came from, etc.. That goes for everyone, not just Brush.

You guys are great, thanks for taking time to help me out. I have been wrenching on these newer cars (50s-60s http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif) for so long that I have never really had to study any crazy frame mods like the ones neccessary to build a decent hot-rod. This stuff is almost foreign to me. It's going to be a long cold winter though so I got nothing better to do than to tinker with a frame build.....


How's come Rocky himself never shows up for this stuff? I'll never get sick of seeing that 33.....

[Broman]

Ok,

I already have a stupid question.

I noticed that Rocky's truck has some pretty long suspension links instead of the typical radius rods. How does that affect the suspension? Does the angle matter much - his seems like it is located lower on the frame than what I have been seeing (under the cab). Seems like most of the shorter linkages are hitting the frame at it's mid-point. It would be good news to hear that it doesn't really matter, then I could just hack away......


Ohh, and I forgot to show you this. I found some links today that might be of interest to the board. Looks like a couple of good places to get sheetmetal patches for almost anything early Ford related.....I can't confirm the quality or even the availability of these sites, but I found 'em. Maybe you folks who have had older cars already knew about these, but I didn't.....


http://www.fordor.com/cgi-bin/store/fordor/getgo.exe?newbasket+/catalog/catalog.htm

http://www.dickspadaro.com/index.html

The first one sounded familiar, but I figured you might want a link anyways.

The second one has a (kinda crummy) online catalog, but it appears to have everything you'd want if you had a rust bucket to repair, and it goes on and on and on and on.......

[Tman]

Having owned Rockys truck, I can comment on how it drove. I forget all teh build info, but those are stock Ford bones, not lenghtened. The truck drove like a slotcar! handled very nice. I took off the remnants of the old rear shocks and it improved, I understand the new owner tweaked the rear spring mts as well.

One thing I can say, having driven lots of miles in the 33 and a 34 with stock type floors/toe kicks. The Rocky33 was a gas to sit in due to the firewall going straight down, NOT using the stock angled toe boards!!!!!! You gain about 6-8 inches of leg room this way.

[Jeff Norwell]

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Hey Killer,

What ever.........It's on the road, it's on the strip, and I drive the shit out of it.

Get over yourself!

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See the smiley face I put there???

Your lucky you got one... cause that means I was in a good mood and poking fun at you.

So get the sand out of your vagina and laugh with me.

I wanna know when the HAMB turned into a buncha pussies who couldn't poke fun at one another????

Brush, I'd love to race ya but it's not mine and it'll prolly be sold by then. and it looks like you might be able to whoop this one a wee bit?

t.

Radials still bulge.

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Killer...I knew that..just having fun too http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif......
Broman..chassis is a custom job...Henrys unit was too tired and had way to much abuse from last 50 years of hot rodd'in...I will retrieve the specs from my cataloged writings..one this for sure is that the wheel base was streched 3 inches(from 106 to 109..)
Haring/...the panels are (I think) inexpensive..I bought 2 door panels(from the beltline down..).2 cowl patches(from the beltline down) and 2 rear corners(about 15 inches in length)....deliverd too my shop....800 bucks....Canadian....ups and all!////I thought that was fare.......this fella does nice work,
Radials still bulge http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Rocky]

I'm here, I'm here, Broman. I was at the local cruise last night and missed all the conversation. Gotta few points and some input.
The sure-fire way to check whether you have a 32 or a 33 ford cab is the raised character line all the way across the top, just behind the visor. 32's didn't have this line---top was just flat but 33 and 34 both had the raised line.
My 33 [which sat on a 34 frame, according to the VIN] came with a 46 ford pickup rear axle. This is an open driveline banjo affair and mine had 40 ford axle housings with their wishbones, split with bungs and tie rod ends installed. Used a stock 34 "bent leaf" spring. The positioning of the wishbone brackets was determined by moving them around until I found a height where the spring shackles didn't bind with weight on the car. What you see is what I got.
The front split bones [which are model A, BTW] mount brackets were arrived at by moving the ends of the bones up and down until I got around 8 degrees caster at the kingpin. That put the wishbone mount too low, so I settled for a 5 degree figure at the height you see in the photos. It looked like shit with the 8 degree caster....real long brockets hanging really low and close to the ground.
It drove pretty good but the little truck really needed a panhard bar. The chassis would move around on the rear shackles in a hard corner..was a bit unsettling.
I used a 39 ford steering box in mine. The cross steer arraangement really helps to cancel out bump-steer IF you keep the draglink level with the ground and try to keep it fairly parallel with the tie rod. I took special pains to adhere to these rules and mine drove just fine.
One of the problems with installing the cross steer is exhaust interferance with the pesky steering box. I used that old flathead engine and hadda remove the front header tube and build a new one for clearance.
My frame wasn't Z'd at all but in retrospect, I'd have done it if I'd kept the truck. It had a Speedway flat spring with reversed eyes and a 4" dropped magnum axle and it still didn't sit low enough for me. The Bobbleed method of pie cutting the rails would have been my next step, along with repairing the X in the frame and doing a little boxing...especially the area around the steering box mount. If you go with a cross steer arrangement, check to see if you frame rails flexes when turning the wheel while stopped, with all the weight on the ground. Mine did.

[LeadSledMerc]

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Hey Killer,

What ever.........It's on the road, it's on the strip, and I drive the shit out of it.

Get over yourself!

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See the smiley face I put there???

Your lucky you got one... cause that means I was in a good mood and poking fun at you.

So get the sand out of your vagina and laugh with me.

I wanna know when the HAMB turned into a buncha pussies who couldn't poke fun at one another????

Brush, I'd love to race ya but it's not mine and it'll prolly be sold by then. and it looks like you might be able to whoop this one a wee bit?

I can take a picture of a 34 truck hood tomorrow if anyone wants to see it, it has the V8 emblem Tommy was talking about.

Radials still bulge.

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Hey Killer...Bite Me http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[LeadSledMerc]

I'm runnin a 4" drop superbell I drilled and chromed with hairpins on a reversed-eye drop posie spring. I ended up with a 8 degree caster. Vega box, 37-41 spindles with the control arms bent. The frame rails and front crossmember are '33 that I z'ed 6" in the rear with 2x3, stock wheelbase. Rear ends a 9" with ladder bars and coil overs http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif and a panhard bar. 15" wheels with RADIAL http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif 165's front and RADIAL http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif 235/70's in back. Bodies chopped 6" and channeled 8".
The truck drives really good like it's on rails. If I did it again I would have z'ed the front or dropped the seat down between the rails or something to give a little more head room. I'm 6' and need to get out and stretch after about 1-1/2 hours to get the circulation going in my legs.
All the patch panels I used were from Howell's. The price and delivery was good and they fit nice. That's one of the links you put up.

[Killer]

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Hey Killer...Bite Me


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Thats much better.

The one I posted is z'ed 4in. in the front, with a flat crossmember.

The rear is kicked 13in. with the spring behind the rearend.

The body is channeled 6in (the front of the frame is 2x4, everything after the z is 2x3)... it sits level (no rake) with 6.00x16's on the front and 7.50x16's in the rear.

It has 4in. of clearance from the ground to the body. The only thing that hangs below the scrubline is the body.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/akakiller56/rearsuspension2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/akakiller56/rearsuspension1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/akakiller56/frontz.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/akakiller56/railtaper.jpg

[Jeff Norwell]

LSM/ who is Howells?

[Swedester]

howell is at http://www.fordor.com weird www for a sheet metal fabricator,but the stuff seems good,and he has lot´s of experience.

[LeadSledMerc]

Howell's is out of Texas. Great people to work with. When I was looking for PU patch panels they were the only people I could find, but with the service, price and parts I got from them I'll go back for sure.
Use the link Swedester posted.

[Broman]

...this place is awesome.

[chad]

LeadlSledMerc,Do you have any pics of the floor construction when you were in the channeling stage?The cab I have has perfect subrail and is totally rust free.But what the hell, I want a channelled rod.

[LeadSledMerc]

Chad, I looked through my digital pics and couldn't find any good ones of the channeling. I know I have some prints I will find and scan for you.
My cab was easy to decide on, it didn't have a floor or subrails.

[Rocky]

Channeled? I'll show ya channeled. Mine had no floor either. Had the rockers welded to the frame rails witha hunk of angle iron the length of the rockers. I started repairs by making front cab mounts but never got the rears done before selling it. Yeah, it was a unibody!
I swear, some butcher had installed an allison aircraft engine or sumthun in this poor little truck at one time.

[Rocky]

Bad, huh? I welded in a 41 ford pickup "X" leg with it's pedals and master cylinder on the left side and patched the right side...never got it where I wanted it....

[Tman]

And to think I caught flak when I called it a POS? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Broman]

Wow rocky,

And I thought mine was rough....damn.

I have no floors left either. and the rockers are almost like a piece of rusty Brillo pad stretched across the bottom of the door. The firewall is decent, but from what I heard it sounds like I should make some adjustments to it for more legroom...

You guys are a big help, I really appreciate it. Thanks.

[sodbuster]

Here is one from a junkyard in downtown Kansas city.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/sodbuster/300junkyardtruck.jpg

[haring]

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Here is one from a junkyard in downtown Kansas city.

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And why isn't it in your back yard? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[lownrusty]

anybody have pics of the red oxide 33-34 p/up at speed week ? fenderless chopped like to see more of that one.

[Rocky]

I was there and saw the truck you speak of but alas, didn't click a photo. Did we meet? What were you driving? If we met and I've forgotten, remember...I'm a dottering old man with hardly any brain cells left..
What?

[lownrusty]

No I missed out this year but saw some pics of it somwhere it kinda lit a fire under my ass just wanted to see some more pics of it Just got started on my 33 this week. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Rocky]

Aahhhh, I see.
I'll take another look through my Bonneville photos and if I find one of that little truck, I'll post the sumbitch.

[lownrusty]

I'd like that fo sure.