1965 Grand Prix

[Mike Landwehr]

No secret I have been trying to get off my red belair , well have an offer for it , I have to kick in a bit of cash ,but I'm thinkin tow vehicle for my gasser -thoughts/ideas/what would you do w it?

[Mike Landwehr]

says he found paper work that says 335 HRSPWR premium fuel motor- 421? no pic ,but here is the interior

[poncho]

im thinkin' lowrider
http://photo.starblvd.net/~poncho/2-4-2.jpg
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[Mike Landwehr]

back seat

[Fat Hack]

Old school Lowrider/Custom!!

Shave it, slam it and cover it in some stellar paint. Thin whites on chrome wires with it's ass on the ground. Not a Ghetto Hopper...but old school cool. See Butt Reynolds' post on Lowriders for some inspiration. Check out that chopped 67 Poncho I posted there...

That thing begs for it, Dude!!

[Mike Landwehr]

low riders are'nt my style ,at least the current crop,like the 60's style, make it kinda tough to tow anything, would'nt it? besides I hate that tiny ass wheel look,I am thinking those five spokes I got from a fellow member + maybe a little drop (like 2")

[Bigcheese327]

Maybe I'm just a fuddy-duddy, but I think that'd be a nice clean driver/resto. It's too heavy to be a hot rod (although a 421/4-speed car would be fun!) so I'd just leave it alone, maybe a neater paintscheme, but nothing radical.

[Mike Landwehr]

thats what i'm thinking , I'd like a dependable driver for the ol lady ,that I can use to flat tow my gasser to the drags ,-this is a running, driving, lic car w new brakes shocks and glass pack dual exaust, he's coming up this afternoonto make a deal, but he's talking my red 57 and $200-$500 cash , steal from my point of veiw- as i have like $200 in the 57 after selling off parts and using a bunch on my gasser.Plus i get a space open in my yard http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[CruZer]

Mild custom / driver.You could still use it as a tow vehicle.

[Mike Landwehr]

guy claims he'd drive it anywhere coast to coast if he wanted to ,sounds like my kinda deal , I'm with the old school look, as it has a T400 tranny I think it would haul the gasser on a dolly pretty easy and what a look 65 GP w a 57 gasser behind it what a time jump! it has the skirts and gennie caps-manuals etc. well, we'll see, everytime I say something b4 it actually happens ,it blows away.should be here in a couple hours.He's driving it up to prove its a driver.about 130 mi's.

[38Chevy454]

I think you have the answer already, assuming the car is decent. My guess is that the engine is a 389, not a 421, I believe the 389 four barrel engine was about that same 335 hp. Still plenty for nice towing, and the turbo 400 will be up to that task with no problems. The interior pics look like it has the "knee knocker" tach on the center console?

My plan for that car would be lower it about 2-3 inches, astro's or similar type wheels. If you do towing, keep the tires on the larger side for extra safety, a small 13-14 inch would be kinda risky. You can do some nice scallops with those body lines and have a nice clean driver car for not much money.

[roadstar]

I have many fond memories of cruising in my buddys mom's GP in high school. The car did the best burnouts you ever saw.
That car most likely has a 389 4bbl.
I think it would make a perfect car for what you are talking about. Ijust sold a 66 catilina, it drove like a dream.

[G V Gordon]

Mike, Would make a great mild custom tow car. I have a 63 GP 389 4V and they make tons of tourque. Get it, you'll love the thing.

pic in case you missed it the last twenty times it's been on the HAMB

[Bigcheese327]

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I believe the 389 four barrel engine was about that same 335 hp.

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He's right. Trophy Series tripowers were 348 (360 in the GTO) and the 421s were more. I should've realized that off the bat.

[Mike Landwehr]

ya ,still plenty of power ,My wife and I had one of these in 77 with a 421 /4 spd ,boat, but WAY fast out on the road,blew a gear out the side of the muncie slam shifting it and sold it to french lake -gutted,these are the wheels I'll use.

[Mike Landwehr]

I'll use 15"white stripes,can anyone photoshop some paint ideas and five spokes on this?

[Deyomatic]

Do not rule out it being a 421, the V8 book that I was just looking at says that the 389s had available 333 and 338 HP engines, and the 421s had 325,333,338 HP models available.

[Peter Pan of Chicago]

Hey Mike,

As a previous owner of a few '65 wide track poncho's(2 GP's), I would say that is an excellent find. The car appears to be in great shape.

'65 GP's are hard to find nowadays, especially nice ones in good shape for cheap. It would make a great project car or restored driver. As a lowrider lover, it sure would make a great one or even a nice '60's mild custom.

Actually, you may try to freshen it up to increase it's value and then sell it to put cash into your Gasser. Trucks make better tow vehicles. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

2 cts. worth http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Mike Landwehr]

He was just here , it looks a little "iffy" at this point,with him checking parts availablity . when he finds out just how much 57's cost to do, I bet he bails.But we'll see. straight cash ($1700)is out of the question for me right now. like I have room for another car w/o selling one first. -NOT

[Broman]

This is coming from a true Pontiac lover but it just kills me that you are always finding cool/rare Pontiac stuff and you don't have a clue what it is or what it's worth......

This isn't a slam on you - it just figures, that's all.

[Renae]

Hey here's my daily driver and god I love it!!!!

[Mike Landwehr]

Broman, I do have clue, been a Pontiac fan /owner for over 20+ years, prices here are not what they are in large city's or nonsalt states as rust never sleeps w the dummy's using it on the roads all winter long,just no cash to back it up -lol- as a fact, I found another 63 catalina 2 dr hdtp , nonrunning, black + titled for $1000-waiting for pics-another trade deal.I find cars and get phone calls on a daily basis, If I could afford it these days I could have an instant car lot,been thinking of a consignment thing ,but somebody local beat me to it,Only some of the Pontiacs in my history are - 62 catalina 389 tripower/64 GP SD421 tripower/65 GP 389 4bbl , WIFES 67 firebird 455 -WAY fast street car -10.60's /66 2+2 421 4bbl,67 Bonnie convert 400 4bbl,I also have a SD 62 Catalina convert busted in half no frame and super rusty, but SD fender/trunk tags intact w the top bows,dash,rotted buckets, console shifter etc still in it -just can't bring myself to crush it-Mike

[Mike Landwehr]

It like I told the guy if it was a 61-3 catalina or a 63-4 GP, I'd hock the wife to get it , but I'm just not that hot on the later catalina based (121" WB) boats.Owned em b4 + don't like that floating down the road feeling with every dip.NICE rides don't get me wrong and long lunged on the hwy,,but NEVER a HOT performance car after 64,bigger/more powerful motors to be sure ,but also HUGE bodys and sloppy/mushy suspension settings of course there are exceptions like some sd's/HO's or built ups like the one on www.63cataina.com (http://www.63cataina.com) I owned all those cars (except the 67 bird) b4 they caught on and were daily's for my young family and were sold/traded off or parted out when shot,see I do know a little about these cars http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif -but no expert by any means- hence the question. BUT as a tow /mild custom car they would be great I think.

[porknbeaner]

The Ponch is slick to start with. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

I'd loose the Ghetto Cruiser wheels, and get it down in the snout.

If your gonna use it for a tow vehicle, you'll need a decent pair of skins on the back, I run Winston Winners on the back of the Galaxie. Not the ultimate cool tire in the world, but they're big and 6 ply.

You can still go low, Mild Kustom and tow. Snag a set of air shocks, not bags http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif, bags are for furniture haulers. When ya wanna tow poke some air in the shocks. When ya wanna cruise let the air back out.

I had a '66 Grand Prix in the late 70s, big block, fatties on all 4 courners, and way down in the snout. Great cruiser. Don't know about your trade but you couldn't ask for a neater cruiser. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

if it don't make ya dirty it aint yours http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Mike Landwehr]

That blue one is a internet pic belongs to some kid that uses lots of z words like sudz,NOT my idea of how it will/should be, I'm leaning towards flat black FLAKE w scallops in a dark pearl w five spokes about 2" lower,sknny white stripes -all could be done in my driveway-VERY close to what Bunny posted,Prob work out as we are MILES apart,I hate seeing simular cars at a car show,I get that cookie cutter feeling,lol hell, maybe a flake replacement vinyl roof (that one is faded GREEN GACK http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif)wish I was better at photoshopping.Another item of note is that it had a bit more rust than I was led to beleive BUT very nice runner and very fixable rust in the lower quarters only.He says there are panels avail. but Ames don't have em.

[Denis C]

Hi i own 1965 grand prix and this car wins more trofies and gets more head turns then any rod ive ever own. My car has a 389 cu. 3 spd tran. Its a very fast car If you want to see a pic of it go to www.pbase.com/staceyfox/image/67536686 (http://www.pbase.com/staceyfox/image/67536686) I was offered 45 Thousand Dollar for this car. no lie.because the car is very rare

[briggs&strattonChev]

Hi i own 1965 grand prix and this car wins more trofies and gets more head turns then any rod ive ever own. My car has a 389 cu. 3 spd tran. Its a very fast car If you want to see a pic of it go to www.pbase.com/staceyfox/image/67536686 (http://www.pbase.com/staceyfox/image/67536686) I was offered 45 Thousand Dollar for this car. no lie.because the car is very rare



hahhahahahahahah

btw, did mike get booted?

[Automotive Stud]

hahhahahahahahah

btw, did mike get booted?

LOL! That's what I thought. Who's gonna tell him he's on the wrong site?

Newbies :rolleyes:

Yea, where's mike?

[dragrcr50]

better get rid of it or tell another site about it, every time i mentioned my 65 biscayne big block project I get slammed by the punks that be as to the fact it is too new and traditional guys dont like big block biscaynes only 6 cyl with flaked roofs and shit , so sell it quick and get a older ride or at least flake the roof and slam it with some of those ugly white wall tires and radirs... :cool: l

[ray]

better get rid of it or tell another site about it, every time i mentioned my 65 biscayne big block project I get slammed by the punks that be as to the fact it is too new and traditional guys dont like big block biscaynes only 6 cyl with flaked roofs and shit , so sell it quick and get a older ride or at least flake the roof and slam it with some of those ugly white wall tires and radirs... :cool: l

what are you TRYING to get yourself booted off the hamb? you keep bringing up your 65 every damn time someone brings up a later model, now you talk shit about the style of cars that we dig? yes, the rules sometimes get bent a little if the year of the car is wrong, but the style is right. we don't dig mullet rides here. a 65 model that is customized as it would be just off a showroom floor can pass...sometimes, 65 was a year that styles changed quite a bit, the cars that are 65 or later generally were cars that had carry over styling, like 65 rivieras, or bodys that were more of a early 60's flavor but carried on, like later 60's trucks and vans. it really doesn't matter to anybody how you build your car, drag style is cool, just quityerbitchin about what is accepted here. maybe YOU should be looking for a different site?

[oldcarmike]

Hi i own 1965 grand prix and this car wins more trofies and gets more head turns then any rod ive ever own. My car has a 389 cu. 3 spd tran. Its a very fast car If you want to see a pic of it go to www.pbase.com/staceyfox/image/67536686 (http://www.pbase.com/staceyfox/image/67536686) I was offered 45 Thousand Dollar for this car. no lie.because the car is very rare

Denis, that's real sweet about your Grand Prix. Lovely to hear that. I say sell the car, take the money and run, as in away, far away.

I don't want to piss in your corn flakes and dampen your entusiasm but it's 11:20 PM here, Germ has been scarce lately, and I have nothing better to do. So here goes:


I see they have meth in Canada now.
Your 1965 is a year after the cut-off date for cars on this board. It may share bodystyles with a '64, which would technically make it OK for here, but frankly I don't care.
Your car is not a "rod" & will never be a rod, even if you put a full 36 inches of pure wheel bling on it.
Your car may "gets more head turns" but a loud fart in church will have the same effect.
Why in the name of Hell are you dragging a THREE YEAR OLD THREAD BACK TO LIFE??? Whip the horse if you want to, it's still dead...I'll cut this short 'cuz I'm tired and too damned cranky to continue digging in my crusty cermudgeonly psyche to concoct barbs to hurl at you.

Thank you and goodnight.

[skajaquada]

Thank you and goodnight.

LMFAO!!!!!:D :p :D :p :D :p

[Ryan]

mike didn't get booted... I'm not sure what happened actually... his account looks jacked though...

[rustynewyorker]

Motor will have a 2-letter code along with the sequential production number, right bank below the head (passenger side).

There is a tri-power 389 rated 338 HP and a 4bbl 421 also rated 338 HP according to my book; standard GP motor was a 325HP 389 code YE or YF. The 4bbl 421 codes were WG or YH. Block may have the CI cast in on the top near the distributor also. The sequential number should match, or nearly match, the production number in the car's VIN - if it's wildly off, then you're going to need to find date codes for the block and heads to verify what engine it is.


FWIW, if you decide to get rid of that '62 Catalina SD, I'd come get it, busted in half or not. So don't crush it - heck, I can swap you the fairly solid '64 GP parts car (frame's broke on the left side ahead of the axle) I have here if you want

[6t5frlane]

If your towing the gasser I would not " lower " it too much. Safety is of the utmost concern here when towing ...my 2 cents