Taste Test: The COLE 36 -VS- The 50Fraud 36!!!!!!

[Kilroy]

Here's a lighthearted question of ethics (aesthetics)...

Of two of the most beautifull Customs of all time which one do you like more?

There are no winners or losers here, and only a moron would criticize either of these cars, but let's just see what everyone has to say for comparisons' sake.

It will be an "...ahead by a nose..." situation... A question of degrees of perfection.

So which one do you wanna give up a more valuable body part for?

(And if you are a tasteless hump that doesn't like either of these cars or if you just hate 35-36 fords *GASP* in genral, start your own post about how the 58 edsel is the sexiest production car of all time)

[Kilroy]

Here are the combattants...

50Fraud

[Kilroy]

MR Foster...

[Kilroy]

50Fraud...

[Kilroy]

36 COLE...

[Kilroy]

I'll Start!

For me I love them both and on a Monday I'd take Cole's and a Tuesday I'd take 50Fraud's...

But if I had to take only one, it'd probably be 50Fraud's.

I like the purity of it. I don't know much about the build up but it just lives a certain era without any distractions.

Cole's is exciting in another way, in that it embodies the essance of a style that transcends time. It's the ultimate custom from my perspective. But Traditional Customs don't transcend time. They pay homage to it in the form of honoring a generation of customizers that broke ground in this hobby. So that's why today, I'd pick 50Fraud's...

It's a slight preferance mind you... I'd orgasm, crap myself and die (in that order) if I happened to find either of them in my garage one day. But I think it would be a slightly larger load if it were 50Fraud's.

[Alford]

Is this some kind of a joke?

[36couper]

I guess I'm a moron..........skirts are for women.
Seriously, I think to make an honest head to head comparison, Cole's should have a coat of shine on it. But I like finished cars so I vote for 50Fraud.............without skirts.

[Flexicoker]

I vote Coles with a flawless coat of black. or maybe 50Frauds with Cole's stance. I dunno, they're both friggin spectacular.

[Mass Butcher]

I don't think it would be fair to pick one over the other. Each was built with different end results in mind, and I think each achieved their goal, making them both winners in my book.
(Wow.I could be a f'n politician with that answer http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif)

[Kilroy]

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Is this some kind of a joke?

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Yep it's a joke... Everything's a joke... If you get it.
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I know the cars are very similar but that's when the best discussions happen. It would be easy to talk about preferences between a 50 Merc and a 36, but where's the mental challange in that. It's about training your eyes to notice subtle differences in appearance and training your gut to distinguish subtle differences in "feel."

And then telling me why I'm a moron...

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I don't think it would be fair to pick one over the other. Each was built with different end results in mind, and I think each achieved their goal, making them both winners in my book.

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In that case, which do you think was the better goal? I agree that the end result of each is stunning, but taking away all platitudes, which one would you rather have for your own?

[cheap-n-dirty]

I wood take 50Fraud's because it is more like the one I had in the early 80's but lose the fender skirts and give it a (31/2") chop.

[Gotgas]

They're both gorgeous. I like the shiny black one because it's shiny and black, and I like the bare metal one because it's in bare metal. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

I'll just adore them both and realize that no car can satisfy all my vehicular preferences.

[=mike=]

I am forced to side with Cole's car . I like customs , and I think the best custom is a very mild , very subtle thing . But TOO subtle and you lose the impact of a custom . Coles car just seems more custom to me . Little things make it different . The wheel covers , the stance , the body mods , they are all just a little more " custom " than the black car . That one looks more like a chopped stocker .

[Scotch]

I don't like bumpers on '30s-era customs (or rods, for that matter), so I'd go Cole...

Love 'em both, though...great cars.

Scotch~!

[Donzie]

I would agree with =mike=. The chop and the rake make a big difference. The black one is a beauty but I prefer the overall look of Cole's bare body. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[Anderson]

Coles with 50frauds hoodsides. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Harrison]

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Coles with 50frauds hoodsides. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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'Zactly what I was thinking.

50fraud's is a killer. Cole's is a killer. The louvers in Cole's hoodsides throw me off though.

JH

[50Fraud]

I'm incredibly flattered by this whole conversation. I like both cars, of course, but you're correct in observing that they were developed with different goals.

I've never met Cole, but he is certainly a wizard at fabrication and a man with great taste. I think his car is more an "intentional custom" than mine is, and that he had a pretty clear vision of what he wanted when he started. There are several details on his car that are very creative and original: the hood sides, the tail pan, the flush skirts -- and I can't imagine the work necessary to build this car from a 5-window. It's much lower than my car all around, looks to have a deeper chop, and the stance is down in back.

My car was very straight and black when I bought it in '95. I've made changes steadily since then, adjusting it in steps to "improve" it according to my old-school tastes. I've always intended that its style was that of an early-'50s magazine car, something I might have seen in the original Hop Up.

I've always preferred tall wheels, so it's stayed on 16's as long as I've had it. The customizing on the tail was borrowed directly from the Jack Calori car, although I think the use of a '37 front bumper at the rear is original. The top was chopped 1 1/2" by Donn Lowe, who understood my desire to lose the wide-eyed look of the stock side windows without spoiling their graceful arch. Respecting tradition, we agreed not to fill the top insert.

The choice of engine came straight from those early magazines: it's a GMC-blown flathead, which was the coolest old-timey motor I could think of.

Up to that point, it had always been a nose-down hot rod. Thinking back to that early-50's period, I had admired early Fords with skirts, but they were waay out of style by the time I started driving. Phil Riehlman, one of the Hot Wheels designers, did a fanciful taildragger called "Swoop Coupe" a couple of years ago, and I thought it looked sensational. I decided that I would like to try reconfiguring the car as an early custom, so it went down in the rear (to dead level) with smaller rear tires, smooth running boards, and skirts. That's how it is today.

I'm glad I did it, and the reaction has been generally favorable, but it's not yet a finished car. Its mechanicals and its appearance still have changes coming.

I think Cole's car is spectacular, and I'm eager to see it finished. For that matter, I can't wait to see mine finished, either -- I still don't know how it will turn out.

Again, I consider it a great compliment that you compare my car to Cole's at any level.

[Paul]

as an observer?

I would have to experience them in person to pass judgement

as an owner?

wouldn't matter, I hack the shit out of either one,

I'd have to make it mine ya know http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Paul

[DrJ]

This is like discussin' with two of your friends which one of their wives you'd rather fuck.
Your ass is in deep shit if you say anything at all. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[Kilroy]

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This is like discussin' with two of your friends which one of their wives you'd rather fuck.
Your ass is in deep shit if you say anything at all.

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I'd hope it isn't that serious...

But I am asking people to step up and establish a real opinion which can sometimes be uncomfortable.

There is no car I wouldn't do something different on so that goes without saying. I'd like to see either of those cars with "floating" 37 taillights in recesses in the fender for example. But I think we can agree that they are both beautiful cars and all I'm really asking is what makes one or the other more beautiful to you.

I hope it turns into a good discussion of styling and aesthetics.

That's why I didn't make it a Poll... I wanted more than just a yes or no type deal. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Kilroy]

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I think Cole's car is spectacular, and I'm eager to see it finished. For that matter, I can't wait to see mine finished, either -- I still don't know how it will turn out.


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That's kinda why I chose your two cars...

They're both evolving in their own way which I find exciting. I've never owned a completed car. Happy life is forward movement. To be "finished" it just that, death. The day that Hammond picks up his car, is the day it stops interesting me to this high a level.

I have to admit too that big cool points are scored for me by the lack of modern suspension and the blown flatty on 50 Fraud's car also. That said I also love COLE's car's stance. Instead of 6 of one and half dozen of another, it's more like a 5 to 7 ratio for 50Fraud. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Tony Bones]

Both beauties, but I choose Cole's.

- Cole's has a round, plump and sexy look to it. Kind of like a vuluptous, naked Latina.
- I prefer the caps on Cole's car. They're subtle. All attention is pushed toward the body and not the shoes.
- Finally, there's just no comparison with stance. Cole wins hands down.

I think I want to have sexual relations w/ Cole's car http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[cleatus]

Guys who don't like skirts are not secure in their masculinity.

I'd have to pick Cole's simply because of the extensive and masterful metalwork involved, but 50fraud's cars are perfect in other ways.

[SLAMIT]

You could look at coles car every day for a year or more and see something new everytime. The whole less is more thing is so well executed on coles car. Everything works well together. You cant look at it and say well that is a nice car but what happened there.

On the other hand 50 fruads is a way bitchin car but had different goles set for it and looks like it was well achieved.

So I would have to say coles is my pick but both are very nice cars.

SLAMIT

[slazzen]

the engine on the 50fraud car is bad ass too i like both cars I cant pick a winner

[KIRK!]

You suck! You make me cry. I can't choose. It's not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

OK, if I had to pick I'd say.......the '36

[McGrath]

I would have to lean more towards 50frauds, minus the skirts... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Fat Hack]

Hmmm...Tanya Roberts or Courtney Thorne Smith??? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Been in love with BOTH of 'em since the 80s...and still couldn't pick between 'em! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Ha Ha Ha...and with these two drop-dead-fucking-GORGEOUS rides, it's sort of the same concept!

50fraud's is a little more 'mature' (in a very good way!) and elegant...where Cole's is a little spunkier and "younger", if ya follow.

I love the roof and hood sides on Cole's...and the gleaming black paint on 50fraud's...

Damn, I'd die happy to wake up next to either one! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[McGrath]

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This is like discussin' with two of your friends which one of their wives you'd rather fuck.
Your ass is in deep shit if you say anything at all. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

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I didn't know that was a taboo subject. Maybe its just a generation Gap thing... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Rocky]

Really

[SinisterCustom]

I pick 50Fraud's 36. WITH the skirts!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[jerryjagger]

I like em both a lot of hard work went into these cars and I respect that.

[RocketDaemon]

seems like both are already dibbed and picked for so i take that henry j in the background and just admire both 36' coupes because both are really stunning

[Kilroy]

Well since there hasn't been a whole lot of discussion here I'll through a monkey wrench in the works...

I still like 50Fraud's better. I'd like to see the back an inch or 2 lower so that all that shows are the white walls but other than that I think it's pretty much perfect. Like the customs of the 40's it has a hot rod heart beat. The stance is fine the way it is and I like it better than Coles in that it isn't complicated by a bunch of moving parts and it's a good, loooowww, useable driving hieght. I like the wheel treatment better, it is more classic and I think more subtle than Coles.

So here's the question for all you elitest custom afficianodoes out there....

Were the modifications on the 3666 necessary?

I mean, since customizing at it's root is about improving the over-all appearance of a car, did Cole need to make all the significant changes he did?

You all have pretty much agreed that 50Fraud's car is pretty much stock and not much of a KUSTOM, and that Coles is more KUSTOM and therefor more exciting. I think I agree with that to a point but that raises a question. Is Coles car really THAT MUCH nicer than a "mild custom" like 50Fraud's? Are the mods justified?

And again I love both cars but I just got these fucked up questions that run through my head and I figure you guys are cheaper than therapy. Also the "skirt/no skirt" type of statements aren't really necessary. I know that everyone here would most likely change something on the cars if they owned them including me.

However if you think either of those cars would look better without skirts, you are probably the kind of guy who would think Pamela Anderson would look better without breasts and therefor your opinion is absolutely useless to me as it obviously comes from a psycopath from a bizzarro exsistance that my kind will never fathom.

[hillbillydeluxe]

Excellent topic, and I about spilled my coffee when I saw the 50Fraud-mobile. That thing is drop-dead gorgeous! In some way, it reminds me of the Mantranga Merc. Always loved the long, sloping rear deck on those cars. But Kilroy had a good point:

"I mean, since customizing at it's root is about improving the over-all appearance of a car, did Cole need to make all the significant changes he did?

You all have pretty much agreed that 50Fraud's car is pretty much stock and not much of a KUSTOM, and that Coles is more KUSTOM and therefor more exciting. I think I agree with that to a point but that raises a question. Is Coles car really THAT MUCH nicer than a "mild custom" like 50Fraud's? Are the mods justified?"

I can really appreciate all the work done by Cole, but when you put these two cars together, and the 50Fraud looks better, WHY did you do it in the first place? Just to say you could modify a '36? The only part that is sexier on Cole's is the angle of the roofline as it comes down to the rear deck-that's beautiful.

Hell, I ain't diminishing what Cole had done, I'm just saying it might have the result of a damp firecracker-especially next to the '50.


http://www.motorcityhotrod.com

[lucky]

you are comparing green apples to red apples...the replies are very interesting though.
"I can really appreciate all the work done by Cole, but when you put these two cars together, and the 50Fraud looks better, WHY did you do it in the first place? Just to say you could modify a '36? "

well no is the answer there..look deeper. the foster-built `36 is amazing for starters..this is no run-of-the-mill chopped `36...notice the door window openings?they have been opened-up to keep the roof from looking aquashed...want more? keep looking...
some folks prefer mild customs, some don't...this car was slated to be a tail-dragging full-custom..a task that has been accomplished indeed...is there a better-looking `36 ford full-custom out there? to me, no...but to others, i'm sure there is..
50 fraud's car is beautiful indeed, but not really my cup of tea..now look at it as if it were in bare metal..would your opinions change?now you would be comparing the styling of the cars ONLY...lots of folks love the black paint(myself included...damn classy)..cole's car will be painted.we all know what paint can do to a car...when i remove that beautiful black paint from 50fraud's in my head,i prefer cole's car...it's ominous looking, i can see it slinking down the road @10mph looking as dangerous as danger has ever looked...but that is what i want to see in a custom car of that era.it's cartoonish in a way..in a very cooool way.

[CruZer]

This is a great topic. I wish there were more on here like this. I gotta go with 50frauds,but Cole could park his in my driveway any time. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Kilroy]

Strip the paint from 50Fraud's car and I'd still take it. Let's remember that Cole's car is bare for the same reason that 50Fraud's is in paint. To show off the lines...

And I for one prefer the look of bare-metal on Cole's car. I can't picture it with a paint job that would do it justice. Black? A really nice black paint job on Coles car would plasticize it and I think hide part of it's character. I'd still take 50Fraud's first.

For the purposes of the second half of this discussion, I'm only asking if the mods were necessary. The fact that they were beautifully exicuted goes without saying. I can see all the details that went into Coles car. In fact I say they are highlighted by doing a comparison between it and 50Fraud's car.

I really don't get the "there's no comparison/green apples to red apples" type replies.

They are both under-development 36 Ford taildraggers. They are both top-five type cars in my book. The only difference is that they accomplished the same objective in different ways.

Whether you like one or the other doesn't lessen the other.

[50Fraud]

This has been really interesting for me, and I've learned some things in the bargain. Risking boring everyone, I'd like to make several observations:

1. I believe that Cole's car was conceived as a radical custom from the get-go. He very likely had a clear idea of what he wanted, and built the car according to his vision the first time.

That was not the case with my car. I started with a really nice stock-bodied 3W, and have tried to refine it. The clutter on the back had to go, and the Calori car had the best solution I'd ever seen on a '36, so I copied it. After lowering it, the top seemed too tall, so I chopped it just a little. The most recent adjustments, including the skirts, were experiments to see how it would look. I'm still not satisfied.

So, in terms of realizing the original objective, I think Cole's car is more successful. Even though he's not finished, I think he has already achieved what he was after, and I'm not there yet.

2. In the mid-'50s, I decided that taildraggers were no longer cool, that you should be able to see all of a car's wheels, and that big rear tires and a little rake make cars look more athletic. I still believe all of this, as it pertains to the cars that I drive.

When I decided to try skirts on my '36, I still resisted the taildragger thing, and lowered the back just enough to level the car.

I see now that this was a miscalculation on my part. The look of traditional customs includes the speedboat/airplane/leaping posture, and my car looks a little stilted without it. So, further adjustments will be made.

3. The stock '35-'36 3W profile has kind of a wide-eyed Goldie Hawn look to the side windows. The car I wanted to drive didn't have to be sinister, but I wanted it to be sleeker. I studied a slew of chopped '36 3-windows, and found that most of them had lost the shape of the stock side windows by making them more rectangular, with the top edge straight and parallel to the bottom. Tracing a stock garnish molding, and cutting the traced outline by various amounts, it seemed that the only way to preserve the nice curve was by chopping it very little. In fairness, there is one early Barris chop out there that is quite severe and absolutely perfect in shape. I have no idea how he did it.

In the end, Donn got exactly what I wanted. I think the chop is perfectly successful in meeting my objective, and I'm very proud of the outcome. That part is DONE.

4. Regarding the tail: I really think that Jack Calori nailed it, with the frenched license plate and Hudson taillights. I tried to copy his placement and alignment exactly, although I used a different treatment around the license. The straight rear bumper made sense to me.

One detail of Cole's car that I wish I had thought of is his modification to the tail pan, which has been covered in another thread. He got rid of the unsightly bumper mounts, and replaced the straight plan view of the tail with a subtle curve. Perfect.

5. I kept the stock '36 headlights, although they're lowered and moved inboard slightly (I know, you can't tell). I think they are the coolest looking standup headlights ever made, and I can't imagine why anybody replaces them on a '36. I can imagine lowering them further into troughs in the front fenders, and that might look cool.

6. I think the stock '36 hoodsides are OK, and with the flattie, I'm reluctant to have any less cooling in the engine compartment. But they look like an engineer's design, and I'm still looking for something with a little more style. I commend Cole for his bold solution, although I'll do something different from his.

7. Wheels: I'm still using the wide-5 bolt pattern, partly out of thrift and partly inertia (mine). The wheels are an obscure 3/4 ton truck part (no bottle-cap scallops) and the hubcaps are '39 Standard, which I felt had more of a Deco look than the '36 or '37 designs. I like Cole's discs a lot, though, and I'm thinking about Grimlok's cool Spun discs for mine.

8. Several people have commented about my gleaming black paint. Funny, because it's been painted in five stages: circa 1960 black lacquer all over, which is still on the front clip and doors; tail and rear fenders repainted with the custom work in 1999; top repainted after the chop, 2001; firewall painted when the engine went in, 2002; skirts and running boards painted in 2004. It's pretty scurvy looking close up, and will be repainted (not black) when all the dust has settled.

(pause)

For the very few who might be interested in further consideration of the number of angels that can dance on a fender skirt, I think several other '36 3Ws deserve consideration:

1. Jack Calori's (bad picture enclosed) that started it all. Nearly perfect, but I don't like the antenna and it needs whitewalls. This car has been in the back of my mind for fifty years.

2. John Fisher's (Choppers) who did a wonderful homage to Calori, in nearly every detail except for the tail, which he apparently left to me. I particularly love his LZ dash.

3. Billy Gibbons', the first modern interpretation of the black, chopped '36 3W with Halibrands. Tits.

4. Keith Tardel's blown Ardun car, which raised Gibbons' ante for badass looks -- even though I don't like exposed engines on '36s.

5. The purple Brizio car (Evans?), which is as clear a traditional hot rod statement as Cole's is a custom.

6. The black-and-red Orange County sled that has been discussed on the HAMB before. I hate the grille and exposed engine, but the color and stance of that car are my #1 for a fresh look at Sinister.

I think that Cole is a man of few words, but I'd love to hear what he has to say about all of this.

Kilroy, thank you very much for starting all this fun!

Tony

[zman]

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For the purposes of the second half of this discussion, I'm only asking if the mods were necessary. The fact that they were beautifully exicuted goes without saying.

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Hmmmm... mods necessary. Well gee, half the mods I've done in my life weren't needed. Were they appropriate, I think so. I want to see Cole's car with a nice paint job. The maybe I could make a decision...

[50Fraud]

I'm sorry, I thought I had said it all, but I haven't:

Were the mods necessary? No, none of them. On a radical custom, though, I think they're expected. And in my "refinement" mode, they are a big part of the fun of having such a car.

By the way, besides the Calori car, there is another item that has inspired or informed the changes to my car: a doodle that I did around 1984. It could never be realized with a '36 Ford, but I've tried:

[Tony Bones]

Are the changes necessary? Well of course not. Those changes cost an ass load of money and hardly differentiate the car from 50Fraud's...to the average Joe.

But guy's like us? We look at Cole's car and go Holy Jeezus. That's amazing!

On a dollar averaging scale, kustom mod.'s aren't worth shit. But to a car lover, they're worth every penny when people who truly appreciate cars are just blown away by the subtlety of it all.

[Big A]

They're both beautiful. Cole's give's me warm fuzzy feelings in my pants, and 50Fraud's was a close second until I saw under the hood. Now they're tied.

I can't decide... let's see their wives http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[lucky]

50, i think your decision to lower the tail more will improve the look...ten-fold. kilroy, i think this is one of the better threads i've seen on this board and the questions you raise are great, thought-provoking questions.i say red vs green because while they are both 36 fords, one is a radical custom and the other is not...although i do understand that you are comparing mild vs wild. i wouldn't want to see cole's car in black either, but i sure can see it in a deep, rich color. as radical as cole's build is, it still retains it's origins and i cannot see any modifications that do not compliment the car and it's lines. cars that function do not NEED modification, but when re-styling the car(which is what i consider cole's more than anything)modifications that enhance the car's looks are necessary...

[RocketDaemon]

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However if you think either of those cars would look better without skirts, you are probably the kind of guy who would think Pamela Anderson would look better without breasts and therefor your opinion is absolutely useless to me as it obviously comes from a psycopath from a bizzarro exsistance that my kind will never fathom.

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hahahahahahahahhaahahhaa, that is sooo fricking funny hahaha, http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

you rock

[cleatus]

It's funny to me that some people question the reason to customize something - "was it really worth it?"

For most people, No. For others, it's beyond words. Like religion, I guess...you feel it or you don't, but you can't describe it.

Myself, I've spent endless hours and hours modifying the lines of stupid little shit - like inside doorjambs - why? - fuck, I don't know - no one will ever see it or appreciate it. I've spent months on something and then cut it off and threw it away. But at the time, it was like a religious experience fine tuning the shape of the metal and learning. It had nothing to do with trying to blow someone else's mind - no hope they would even care - it had to do with satisfying my soul and transfering it into the car.

To a person afflicted with the custom passion, seeing a car like Cole's 36 in bare metal - when it dawns on me that something has been sweated, stressed and cursed, and then lovingly crafted just to make the slightest refinement and you can't even see where the old metal ends and the new begins. I feel something beyond words - like I've gained access to the pearly gates.

That's gotta be worth somethin?

[50Fraud]

I seem to have left the wrong impression. I said "further adjustments will be made". I didn't say anything about lowering it further, and it's very unlikely that I will.

And, although I am very fond of Pamela Anderson's rack, I don't think the car has to wear skirts.

[50Fraud]

Oops, guess that killed the thread. Anyway, thanks to you all for the wild ride!

[Tuff Tin]

Geeeeeze! I owned a 36 5 window for 20 years that now resides in Minnesota but I have always lusted after a 3 window. 'Til I get mine, damn if I'll pick someone else's apart. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Mai Ki-Ki]

50frauds ride is awesome....I'd kill to own it, but I have to say the COLE 36 is one of the most spectacular things ever...everyone seems down on the hood sides...why? cos they ain't traditional (usually meaning stuff thats been seen before )...and also i seem to remember Cole (bow) saying somthing about a shortened chrome piece running over the top- of the hood vents when the 36 is painted...

Um..oh yes COLE 36.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

maiki

[RocketDaemon]

http://www.camsnappers.com/images/svenne-ford35.jpg

my friends 1935 5w, chopped by dick dean...

5w can be made to look really cool aswell... i usually prefer 5w , like on 32-34 coupes, i think the 5w look way much better then 3ws.

[Kilroy]

50... Come on up to Whittier. I'll sit on the back of that sucker and see if you don't like the stance a little better.

I think it would really kick it in the pants if it were about an inch or 2 lower in back. It wouldn't have to be a permanent change.... Just for when you run the skirts.

And as for the skirts, I don't like skirts on just about any car except 39-40 Mercs and 35-36 fords (and of course 37-41 Lincolns). I think they just look better. You could strip the skirts off of your car but it wouldn't pop out at you as much and the wheel treatment would look weird. I've seen your 36 a few times before it's current config and it never really grabbed me. But now it just reaches out and smacks you. It really is a beautiful car.

Keep the skirts... You have enough Hot Rods! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Now for the "Necessary Changes" discussion...

No custom treatment is necessary. That's not what I mean.

I'm asking if the resultant difference from stock or mildly customized like 50Fraud's is significant enough to justify the work?

Also I feel I've "fluffed" 50Fraud enough and would like to talk more about Cole's car anyway. And frankly, there's just more there to talk about.

Let's start with the chop...

As compared to a mild 3 Window like 50Fraud's how does Cole's chop compare? Given all the work it took to make a 5 window into a 3 Window, did the end result look significantly better than if he would have just looked for a 3 window? I mean let's face it Mr. Hammond has the dough...

I really like what cole did there. I always thought about buying the significantly cheaper 5 sindow body and spending a little more time on the chop to make it a 3W. My mock-ups never turned out quite that good. It really is masterfull. I like the way it flows into the trunk area, with the window laid down slightly. It looks like it's extremely well proportioned.

The one thing I noticed is that in some of the pictures, the top looks a little flat in back. Am I the only one seeing that?

[50Fraud]

If you sit on the bumper, it won't make any difference, 'cause it's right on the bump stops now even with the frame C'd.

What's next is some more radical surgery to the rear frame and to lose the torgue tube drive, so that it has some suspension travel at the present height or lower.

I'm genuinely surprised at the level of enthusiasm for the skirts. The car clearly draws more comment/discussion with them than it did before.

[Flat Ernie]

Do you prefer Coke or Pepsi?

Please explain why.

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[Kilroy]

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If you sit on the bumper, it won't make any difference, 'cause it's right on the bump stops now even with the frame C'd.

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You have no idea how much I weigh. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

The skirts really do set it off IMO.

I guess I should let this post die now. Seems like the "knuckle head" element is dictating that post no longer include opinions.

We should all stop fucking around on the internet and go work in our garage. That way the HAMB won't exsist and I'll have nothing to do at WORK. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Flat Ernie]

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It's not knuckleheadedness - it's frustration. How do you pick between two things so similar, yet so different? At the end of the day, there is only opinion in matters such as this and you can't argue with opinion.

I do find posts such as this rather silly in the sense that it seems pointless to pick between two awesome cars. (seems to be common lately) I do enjoy the details that come out & the first-person thought process (like 50fraud's recent long post) that goes into building a masterpiece such as his.

So I'm torn. I despise these posts & crave them at the same time.

Besides, with a post title like "taste test", the coke/pepsi thing had to be done! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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[Kilroy]

I wasn't directing the knuckle-head thing at you...

And the fact that anyone liked one car or the other wasn't the point of the post, just a way to get it started. I wanted people to TALK about the cars. They both deserve it. They're amazingly, inspirational, works of art.

I too am frustrated but mostly by the incessant "atta-boys" and othe insignificant platitudes, that people waste bandwith with as they respond to cars that are posted on here. I just wish people would put some passion into the discussion. That's what used to make the HAMB so important.

It had Tech and passion. Not just one or the other. I miss that.

Too often lately, people just gloss over projects on here. No thoughtfull discussions happen. Just "That's cool" and move on. I think it's a shame.

Often the most valuable information comes as a result of a "heated discussion" (argument http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif). I think we learned a lot about 50Fraud's car and why he did what he did. That intrests me. I wish we could have done the same thing with Cole's car.

The HAMB is a DISCUSSION forum. If the discussion's aren't interesting, then what's the point. Also the HAMB is a place to TALK about cars etc, not build them. Not a single car has been built while actually taking part of the discussions on the HAMB. So the "get out in the garage and build something" replies are just assenine. If we were all in the garage, there would be no HAMB.

At least 99.9% of the times I've posted have been when I have no access to my house, much less my garage.

Today, I think I'd like to take a cruise in Cole's car. I guess I'll leave Fraud's in the garage... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif