SDRA races at Tulsa May 30th

[348chevy]

Bob and all the people from SDRA I plan on running the car at Tulsa May 30th. My goal is tobe over 100 mph and in the 13's. I realize that isn't competitive but the fun factor way outways the competitive factor. If I ever get the other engine together I hope to be competitive. The Okie Outlaw flathead is really out on the outer fringes with 11.62 and I don't know if I could ever do that unless I built a super light chassis. Anyway Bob save me a place on the 30th. You guys are really a great bunch to be around.:DRoy

[mudflap261]

348 Iwould think you could get into the 12.90s withthe set up you have. I base this on the fact that the HORNET did itthe first year with about the same set up you have, we had 2 \1 barrel carbs a cam 261 /8to 1 compression cars weigh about the same same rear gear.WE were glad to have you and enjoyed talking toyou. looking forward to seeing you inthe 12s LJ

[Ron Golden]

Roy,

Is that 11.62 with an automatic or manual tranny?

Ron

[348chevy]

I believe it is an automatic. The thing is this is a super light weight chassis. I raced him and he had a 1.74 60 foot time 7.41 in the 1/8th. He just squirted out there, it wasn't car lenghts ahead of me but Peterbuilt lenghts ahead of me. He has it down good and it is a real nice car. I was haveing trouble with the clutch, lots of smoke come off it and so my 60 foot times were in the 2's my best being a 2.17. I hope to have that fixed on the 30th. Also one of the guys said it was a large by huge flathead [331 cu. in.] I didn't ask the owner but it is one fast flathead. Roy

[Rand Man]

The Outlaw is very well put together and that converter is set up real nice. I'll bet it's one of the hottest flatheads (Natural, on gas) in the country right now. It was never intended to conform to HA/GR rules, so please don't judge your HAMB rail against it.

[Ron Golden]

That must be a strong flat motor and somewhere around 3.375" bore x 4.5" stroke for 322 inches or 3.438" x 4.5" for 334 inches. That has to be the biggest flat motor I've ever heard of. The automatic would make it smoother on the launch also. I wonder what the car weighs?

Ron

[mudflap261]

300 inch FH not a 331 there is not one thing on that car that does not have to be there. They put alot of thought in to the car

[Drewfus]

I wonder what the car weighs?


Mike told me about the 1200 pound mark....every time I look at that car the clever details hit me.....tis one very smart and tuff car, which they know how to drive.

But, as mentioned above, it's not trying to be a HA/GR, so please don't try to measure yourself against it.

Cheers,

Drewfus

[348chevy]

It was anice day so I took the HAMB drag car out to take it's picture. Roy

[ThingyM]

Damn Roy, That is a nice looking car..Work on you clutch managment a dab, And you'll be right up there with the rest.. I too have this to look forward to..Haven't messed with clutches for quite some time..We'll be out there with you guys soon..By the way, I know where there is a 357 cu in flathead..BUT, Its built from a Lincoln flat motor. Runs at "B"ville.

[sgtmcd42]

It was anice day so I took the HAMB drag car out to take it's picture. Roy

that car looks pretty familiar. :D

Looking good Roy!

[348chevy]

I thought you might think it looked familiar. Come to MO-KAN in August and drive it again. :DRoy

[Drewfus]

It was anice day so I took the HAMB drag car out to take it's picture. Roy

What? only one picture?

more please...:rolleyes::D

that car looks 'a-whole-lotta' serious

Cheers,

Drewfus

[348chevy]

Ok Drewfus I'm going to try this. The popup blocker keeps me from putting photos on. The Norton popup blocker that is. I'll try for a shot of me and Bob coming to the starting line and then the intake manifold. That manifold took days not hours to make.:) Roy

[Ron Golden]

Drewfus,
Roy's picture of the intake doesn't do it justice. I saw it in the shop and the workmanship is top notch. It makes me want to redo mine.

Roy,
Let me know how you do at Tulsa. By the way, JE said the pistons shipped yesterday. I balanced your crank today and the rods are done. I think it will be difficult not giving the UPS man a hug when he delivers the pistons. That will be better than Christmas.

Ron

[Joe Hamby]

Hi Ron, I saw Roy's intake in Tulsa, they are a work of art and from what I saw that nite, he doesn't need those parts from you until after may 30. Please

[Ron Golden]

I think Roy's been holding his breath waiting for these parts. Unfortunately the parts suppliers don't seem to care if we hold our breath until we turn blue.

Roy plans on picking up his engine a week from Monday. I bet he has it all together by Wednesday.

Ron

[Joe Hamby]

I was able to get my diamond pistons in about 3 weeks. It took me about 4 weeks to get Ross pistons. Joe

[Toymaker]

I'm inspired, I'm goin out to work on our car!

[Mr. Mac]

that car looks pretty familiar. :D

Looking good Roy!
It sure does,pretty damn good too.

[348chevy]

I went to Tulsa and had a bad night. I found that I had the timing off so corrected that and leaned out the carbs. The engine sounded really good. I pulled up to the line and the tires acutually broke loose and I shifted to 2nd. It pulled really good and I was up to 6000 rpm's fast:eek:. Then I couldn't get the gears to change. No matter how hard I pulled on the lever it would come out of gear. I slowed down to maybe 40 mph and finally made the gear change to 3rd. The car really accelerated good but only did 87 mph. When I got to the pits there was no getting the clutch to release no matter what adjustments were made. I jacked it up a little bit and looked throught the linkage hole and it appears that the facing came off the disk. I can see why the SDRA guys run Powerglides. This clutch business is disheartening, I'm going to go to a metallic disk. I'm also going to get my cousin to build me a powerglide. With the motorplate I can switch back and forth. With just one meet at MO-KAN a year I can run the stick trans but on the eight meets of SDRA I can run the powerglide. This is supposed to be fun and I don't know what is wrong with the clutch but I want to run down the track just once with the engine putting out all it can and the car going forward without breaking something.:(Roy

[mudflap261]

Well folks ROYs engine sounded strong and the run looked strong up till the time he had to shift ,once he got it gear it pulled hard . one of the guys watching said that would have been a 11sec run with a glide . ROYs a contender when he gets the bugs worked out WE should have 2 more cars for the next event DonAlexanders GMC and JOE HAMBYS slant 6 .we also lined up a sponsor for the events

[Joe Hamby]

I still have a standard tranny, and have no plans to change, but is it time for a standard and automatic class? I use a kevlar disk. With 2 classes you could call them HA/GR and HA/GR-A

[Jim Marlett]

I still have a standard tranny, and have no plans to change, but is it time for a standard and automatic class? I use a kevlar disk. With 2 classes you could call them HA/GR and HA/GR-A

I'd rather see flatheads and overheads split.

[mudflap261]

before you do anything you have to get the car count up

[64 DODGE 440]

I'd rather see flatheads and overheads split.

As an old friend used to say, "you can make it as complicated as you want". Rather prefer the KISS principle myself.

We can regulate the class to death rather quickly, or keep it in the spirit of "run whatcha brung" and have fun. I'd rather lose to a 302 GMC with my 218 flathead 6 Dodge, than run in a class where everyone was "equal". Look how boring the brands have become in Nascar where the only difference is the corporate badging on bodies that all look the same.

The challenge of this class is trying to make what you want to run be "equal" through innovation and shade tree engineering. If I'm not able to generate the same horsepower as the "big dogs" I'm happy to make the car lighter to equalize as much as I can and hope that my skills as a driver may give me the advantage.

I may lose more races than someone with a shop built car and engine, but the David and Goliath story always made me smile. Always have rooted for the privateers and runts of the litter. :D

Sorry for the rant, but it seems like some people take this whole thing too seriously. I may not have the fastest car, but I plan on having the biggest smiles per horsepower running some neat old stuff.

[348chevy]

The Okey Outlaw flathead has no problem holding his own against GMC's or Chevrolets. Lightness counts. I went to KC yesterday to pickup my block and pistons. Now comes putting everything together. I know the fun factor is what motivates me, If I could just pull up to the line pop the clutch and make a run without the clutch slipping or coming apart that would be fine. I am running a Zoom street strip 3000 lb. clutch with an organic disk. This seems to be wrong but Bob Hindman said with VHT on the strips second gear starts will give a standard clutch more than it can handle. My situation seems to bear that out. The guys up in Wis. seem to be doing fine but I'm not aware of what they are running. I would love to rev my engine up and pop the clutch like Cowboy Bob does but mine does not react the same as his. This racing has changed an awful lot in the last 40 years. It used to be trying to get a bite now there is to much.:confused:Roy

[Rand Man]

HA/GR is a game of skill and engineering. My team mate Brad Green has cut a near perfect light (.007 I think). Not everybody can do that with a manual trans. Could he do that with a big-inch, high compression GMC? I don't know, but I'm pretty sure I couldn't. My point is, the manual trans rule favors an engine with a controllable torque level.

[recycler]

Roy, we leave in second gear at full throttle.
Lose the organic disc (get a sintered iron RACING clutch disc) and ease the clutch out when you leave. Stage the car (shallow)with the clutch "tugging" the car and hold it with the brake. Release the brake and ease the clutch out (with the throttle mashed) when the second yellow comes on. It isn't easy but if you practice you'll cut good lights and get comparable 60 ft times as the auto trans cars.You can't have your clutch foot on the floor and "dump" it. We learned all of this the hard way. Right Randy?? We finally started winning some rounds and a race when we learned to do this.

Oh, this will probably only work with your race motor. It takes some power for it to work. I don't think a stocker will have enough power but you can try.

Brad

[recycler]

Oh, forgot to mention, unless you have 3 legs, this only works with a hand brake.
Brad

[Jim Marlett]

before you do anything you have to get the car count up
Yes indeed. And I'm sure not helping in that regard.

[Old6rodder]

This's a good point regarding my preference for manuals. You really are racing the man/machine combination, not just matching up machinery. It's also one of my two primary reasons for building in the HA/GR class, getting the driver back into the race.

And now; actually, if your pedals are arranged effectively you can do it with the normal compliment of feet. We called it "heel & toeing" and it took a bit of practice but was definately masterable (the road racing boys were even better at it). Handling the pedals was one of the big keys to the game when these cars were running.
Eventually slush pumps made it do-able for the twice left footed.

That said, the hand brake does indeed make it far easier.
Rather wish I'd thought of that earlier, like, say at 15 or so ...... :rolleyes:

[mudflap261]

It might be of interest to you guys that the Red Barons 60ft times of high 1.70s of last year , have risen to just over 2.0 . this was after they made the front end solid and spent a ton on the the engine for more HP .THE 6 INCH TIRE RULE WORKS .Ofcourse it pulls like mad on the other end

[Old6rodder]

"THE 6 INCH TIRE RULE WORKS" :cool:

Pretty hard to deny physics. :D

[Ron Golden]

As I read the comments above a smile came across my face, and I realized just how much all of us seem to be enjoying these cars. The frustration of destroyed clutches, getting screwed by parts suppliers, more horsepower resulting in worse 60' times and 218 flathead Dodge vs 302 GMC's don't appear to chase any of us away.

Lets hope the class grows so there are more smiles....from the winners, and the losers.

Ron:):):)

[348chevy]

That'swhat I need to do is go to 5.20's on the back and then I could be like willy Borsch in the Winged Express, sideways the whole track.:DRoy

[Joe Hamby]

with all of these reasons listed above is why we all run every round in Tulsa, even if you loose. You still get to run as many times as the winners, and we run as many times as it takes to declare a winner. This way we all win. And smile a lot because my slow car is not on the trailor after the first run.
We all come to have fun, and this works real well. Joe

[348chevy]

That is right, it is a lot of fun and I wouldn't throw in the towel just because I'm having problems. The SDRA has got the fun factor on a high plain because they do have a race after you lose the first time. Like when I used to play high school basketball if you lost you went to the other bracket. Anyway I'll get this solved and be back to Tulsa to see if I can make a full throttle run all the way. This time I'll have 320 cubes and 11 to 1 compression with a different setup in the transmission department. Solving problems is part of racing. :)Roy

[64 DODGE 440]

with all of these reasons listed above is why we all run every round in Tulsa, even if you loose. You still get to run as many times as the winners, and we run as many times as it takes to declare a winner. This way we all win. And smile a lot because my slow car is not on the trailor after the first run.
We all come to have fun, and this works real well. Joe

Thats a great concept, Joe. The racers are having more fun, which is what the class is for, and the folks in the stands get more exposure to the cars and what we are all about.

When Dick and Russ, (team Geezerspeed), raced Rocky and Lee, (team Twirlin'), at Famoso, after every run, people would follow them into the pits and ask about the cars. The idea that you can build one of these at home and race for fun has a lot of appeal to the guys sitting in the stands, and the guys in the pits too.