Generator Mounting for a Flathead Any Alternatives ???

[MattStrube]

I was looking at some different 3x2 intakes for a flathead and some of the older "race models" don't have generator mounting brackets nor do they have heat risers(not necessary). My question is does anyone have any pictures/diagrams of how to mount the generator down low? Also, is it possible to do on an AV8 with a Model A frame? Also, is it traditional or was it done "back in the day"? Matt

[shifts]

I'm interested in doing the same on my flatty. Somebodys goota done this before. DAVE

[MattStrube]

The experts must be sleeping or away from the computer?

[Mike]

There are generator brackets that attach to the head bolts on either side of the engine. They are avalable from the usual places like Speedway, Hot Rod Custom Supply, etc.

[Deuce Rails]

Listen to Mike.

Get a Speeway catalog from www.speedwaymotors.com. (http://www.speedwaymotors.com.) There's a page that has three (I think) alternative mounting positions and they'll be happy to sell you the mounts.

--Matt

[Kevin Lee]

Take into consideration that down low - if you're talking about below the heads - is where the water pump pulleys are...don't think you're going to fit it down there.

[modernbeat]

I've only seen a few, but they usually had the engine raised up in the chassis and the generator mounted below one of the water pumps. A new-wave example is the Frankenshine.

Alternatively, you could run one motorcycle style off the end of the cam on the timing cover, or off the driveshaft, or off the through shaft and on the back cover of a quickchange.

[SamIyam]

Just mount it up top like everyone else... I don't see why ya' can't... plus you can run your fan off it, right?
Sam.

[Kevin Lee]

Maybe put a big rubber roller on it and mount it on a flip down bracket to run it off of your tire - just like those old bicycle generators.

Serious - I understand wanting to clean up your engine compartment - just seems like a lot of hassle with a flathead stuffed in an A frame. I know it wouldn't work on mine the way it's set up...but I'll settle for the offset bracket.

[Digger_Dave]

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I understand wanting to clean up your engine compartment - just seems like a lot of hassle with a flathead stuffed in an A frame. I know it wouldn't work on mine the way it's set up...but I'll settle for the offset bracket.

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Got to aggree, the offset gen mount is about the only practical way. (unless your only going racing)

There are also some neat gen covers (chrome, aluminum) that can make it look good too.

[Deuce Rails]

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Just mount it up top like everyone else... I don't see why ya' can't... plus you can run your fan off it, right?
Sam.

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There's no clearance for the generator housing on a 3 carb intake. Or a wide "super" 2 carb intake either. Unless I'm missing some trick alternative...

[MattStrube]

Well, at first I wanted to run a 2x2 with it up front, but then I read a bunch about Navarro's 3x2 technology. I then saw a 3x2 Navarro without the gen mount. This is the thinking that led me to look at other alternatives. The part about the fan is also another consideration. If you mount the gen low, then where do you mount the fan? Also, sometimes it's cool to have something a little different, dont you think Sam?

[Smokin Joe]

Some years ran the fan on a separate bracket below the generator. Still need that stud or the 2 bolt grooves for all the ones I've seen tho. Mount the gen over the head or use a non-super dual type manifold to put it up center. Carbs close together, you'll lose about 4hp from what a super dual will give you. You don't want your gen shorting out in the mud puddles anyway. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[willowbilly3]

You could run a magneto and just hand crank to start. Maybe a good sized battery in the trunk for turn signals and such.
Or get ingenious and make one off a Harley or a snowmobile fit in some inconspiciuos place.

[Deuce Rails]

This is from Speedway:

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/eCCStoreFront/smi/product_images//Full/5601096_1.jpg

[MattStrube]

So, A, B, and D are the only ones you can use a fan with? Looks like E your screwed for a fan. Thanks. matt

[tommy]

You never said which heads you are using. The off set mount that bolts to the heads fits the 59A head and not the 8BA head (thermostat housing). The 8BA off set mount will work and let you run a mechanical fan but you will need the intake to have the generator mount to use one. Some of the race only intakes didn't have it. Race cars didn't need generators. Find or trade for an intake with the generator/fan mount.

[Bruce Lancaster]

The other application for manifolds with no gen mount at the front was '39-41 Fords with the fan on the crank. Once the generator was moved to the head, there was no need for the center stud. On '42-53 type setup, you need the generator mount to attach the fan, either using stock parts with just part of a generator bracket used as a spacer or the aftermarket setup bracket that installed a late fan shaft directly to the manifold. Many aftermarket manifolds like Edelbrock have a bracket area that looks stock but is too narrow to take standard bracketry--this is meant for the aftermarket casting that mounts the fan shaft directly, which is maybe 1/4" narrower than stock generator mount. By the way, left and right early generator offset brackets position the generator differently on the head. Only one will fit applications like 1940 Fords with low radiator hoses.

[MattStrube]

Thanks guys, I've pretty much shitcanned the idea of using the race version manifold. Sam made me see the light in the ease of having the generator up front and the fact that it looks cool too. matt

[Deuce Rails]

How about a nice dual carb setup?

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/eCCStoreFront/smi/product_images//Full/5601090.jpg

[av8]

Vern Tardel makes this one that will adapt a generator or a fan/pulley assembly to a race-style manifold. It's 6061-T6 and sells for $65.00.

[MattStrube]

Can you mount the fan AND the generator on there? I saw a sweet intake for sale, but missed it. A Navarro 3x2 Race version went for $440 on ebay. Above my limit, but interesting to know that you can mount the generator that way.

[Digger_Dave]

Mike, does that adaptor "straddle" the front of the manifolds? (using the two forward bolts on each side of the manifold)

If it fits the way I think it does, it still would not allow a generator to fit in FRONT of a multi-carb set up would it?

It sure looks like a slick solution for mounting the (a) fan to a manifold without a mount though.

[burger]

strube 2,

check out the orange '34 lakes coupe in hop up #5. you'll notice that he's running an offset generator mount with no mechanical fan... there must be an electric one hidden behind the grille. anyway, my point in writing this is to say that from those pictures, it doesn't look like you could run an offset generator mount and a mechanical fan at the same time.


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[MattStrube]

Thanks, I'll look