banjo rear end question

[51Hg]

I have a banjo rear end that's out of a 39-42 ford. the problem i'm having is the drum rubing on the backing plates only when on the throttle. is it because there is slop in the bearings or do i need new axles? any help will be good? don't know much on banjo rear ends. talked to hank in GA and he suggested axle shims but this didn't help? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Kevin Lee]

Don't know what an axle shim is - could you explain that? Sounds like it could be a worn race on the axle housing or hub or a bad bearing...maybe all three at this point. If I had that problem I'd probably try jacking the rear end and grabbing the tire to rock it back/forth up/down. Backing plate bolts are all tight? wheel cylinder is tight? You're sure the noise is coming from the drum contacting the backing plate and not coming from somewhere else?

[alchemy]

If your drum is only rubbing on acceleration it probably means the axle is getting shoved inward by a loose differential. I bet it'sthe passenger side, right? Could you have bad bearings on the carrier, or worn spider gears that allow the axle to move inward.

If it did it all the time then I would be more likely to think outer axle bearings or bearing races.

The shim should move the drum/hub outwards a bit, but maybe not enough in your case. Sounds like a band-aid fix anyway.

Did this rearend just start doing this? If so, it sounds like worn parts. But if it's always done this it sounds like something may be clearanced wrong.

These are just my unprofessional opinions.


- alchemy

[51Hg]

is there any books on how to rebulid a banjo or anyone that works at a shop i could talk to, any suggestions would help.

[rodrelic]

"If your drum is only rubbing on acceleration it probably means the axle is getting shoved inward by a loose differential. I bet it'sthe passenger side, right? Could you have bad bearings on the carrier, or worn spider gears that allow the axle to move inward."
That's what I think too, but the best way is to get a hub puller and get em off and check for endplay. I have a '37-8 manual but they're mostly the same. Liberaries have them also, I photocopy stuff there all the time. Best to check it out before the gears roach out, they cost a mint new. The inner bearings and housing gaskets (these are actually the shims that position and clearance the ring gear), seals etc... don't cost that much. Look at Mac van pelt's site for a blow-up of the rearend. http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/flathead_partsdrawings_links.htm

[51Hg]

cool link....thanks for the info.... anyone know of a good shop that works on banjos...where to get parts.... and it is both the pass. and driver side rubing.

[alchemy]

They BOTH rub? On acceleration only? You need to pull the hub/drums and see where on the backing plates they are rubbing.

I may change my guess now to say that you have worn axle bearing races. This may be why the shims didn't work.

Tell us a little history on this rearend. Did you just get it? Did the noise just start?


- alchemy

P.S. I buy all the early V8 parts I need from MAC's at macsautoparts.com.

[J Man]

Sorry to highjack this post but I just bought 3 banjo rears, Where would the idtntifying marks be to tell me the tears of the rears and the axle ratios. Thanks.

[saltflataddict]

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Sorry to highjack this post but I just bought 3 banjo rears, Where would the idtntifying marks be to tell me the tears of the rears and the axle ratios. Thanks.

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You have the luck, I am need of one, but you wont ship will you?? You are the one in the classifieds right??

[51Hg]

I was told that there was no marks on banjos to identifiy what year or ratio, on the out side at least. I could have been mis-informed.

[J Man]

That that is me. The one I am trying to sell is #4. The 3 I bought were without brakes, I will find my own. If you can find a shipped to come and get it I will work with you.

[gege]

if it is the housing worn and bad bearing causing a misalignment of axle and housing c&g antique ford parts in escondido calif has a sleeve and bearing repair kit that repairs that problem, you slide on the sleeve and install the new undersize bearing and its like new.there are also cone shaped sleeves to slide over end of axle that moves the drum furthur from backing plate if it is touching. other than that i think you need to get inside that puppy.

[51Hg]

thanks for the info on the parts.

[gege]

if you cant find them let me know and i will get you their number. ask for their cataloq as i think they had those parts and lots more in it.o heck hang on i will get info from my cataloq, im back now,c&g early ford parts,1941 commercial street,escondido , calif. 92029-----toll free order line is 800 266-0470 or 760 740-2400

[51Hg]

thanks man, I'll have to give them a call. here's what the banjo is in if your interested. last row of pics at the bottom, the right picture of a 27 T with me in it.
http://www.hotrodhotline.com/feature/2004show/04natky3/html/page9.php

[Cabbie]

My chevy makes a strange noise when I turn right. It comes from the rear end on the driver side has any one ever had this happen?

[51Hg]

the axle shim was a shim that wraped around the axle and spaced the drum farther away from the backing plate. It makes the axle thicker so the drum cant slide as far back on the axle. ...If any of that made sense.

[51Hg]

I'm thinking it is the bearings and the races inside the drums. Any ideas as to who has a kit that contains everything i would need and doesn't cost an arm and a leg?

when I say kit I mean one part # for every thing needed instead of ordering every thing separate, or a whole bunch of different part #'s. if I ordered a kit it would be a less possibilty of not getting every thing i would need.