Cheater slick question

[guy with a wrench]

At the risk of looking like a total dumbass here's a question.
Cheater slicks are recapped radials right?
So do you need to run radials in the front or can you safely use biasply?
Or are they consdered biasply so you _need_ to run bias ply in the front?
I've turned this around in my head so many times I dont know which way is up.
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[Hellbilly_Buzzard]

being a dumbass is not asking and driving into a pole

[AHotRod]

1. The Hurst cheater slicks are recaps, and on radial cores.
2. Run radials on front and rear.
3. Run bias style tires front and rear.
4. Although many have mixed them, it is not recommended.
5. The M/T Radiar cheater slicks are NOT recaps.
Hope this clears it up for you.

[guy with a wrench]

Thanks for the help guys http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[suedesled]

This is Marty from Hurst; I can save you money and get you a great radial slick. We have several sets on match race cars now and are getting great reviews. My personal dragster runs bias drag tires on the front without problem but i do also recommend radials on all corners. The Radirs are not recaps but they are bias and twice the price. I hope I have helped. Check out the tires by following the link below.

[tunglegubbin]

A friend of mine bought a pair of Hurst cheater slicks (radial recaps) at the Carlisle Fall Swap in -96 or -97.

With them on the car it was totally impossible to drive the car in straight line faster than 40mph. Worst tires I have ever experienced. He had them on for a week, then he got tired of being scared.

Did you make those as well?

/Mikael

[57wagon]

Hey Marty, I actually saw some of these slicks that you had posted on Ebay,,, I followed the link over to the site and was wondering if there were any plans by Hurst, or if they already have the Trackmaster 854 Series in a Whitewall??

Thanks,

Steve

[suedesled]

I did not make those. Just like any slick; the compound is very soft and most times if they are stored standing upright they will get a flat spot which will make driving impossible. Our dragster runs well over 100mph with them no problem. This is why I don't recommend using swap meet slicks. Usually they are being sold for a reason.


As far as white-walls are concerned; They are in the works but I wouldn't expect them until first off the year. We do have the 1" 60's style whitewall available.

[Gas_Tires_Oil]

Marty - which P/N or model is available with the 1" sixties whitewall. I couldn't find it on your site.

thx,
Phil

[57wagon]

I looked too, and couldn't find them either http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Tman]

Try this

http://websearch.cs.com/gw/boomframe.jsp?query=www.nwspeedequipment.com&page= 1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26re questId%3Dc3b0daab5e6446cc%26clickedItemRank%3D3%2 6userQuery%3Dwww.nwspeedequipment.com%26clickedIte mURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.nwspeedequipment.com %252F%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DGWYTop%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_ur l=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nwspeedequipment.com%2F

[Tman]

Sorry that link is so long http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

I have a set of the Hursts and ran them on my 54 last year (they are now on my T) I love them, sure they are squirrelly in the wet but its a hotrod! If I was running to the Roundup I would prob save the slicks and run street tires.

[PBRmeASAP]

Just got mine from marty last week, they look nice, and maybe by next year i'll have the truck running and actually get to try them.

Jeff

[57wagon]

Want me to test them for you,,, http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif 1/4 mile at a time http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Paul]

[ QUOTE ]
Hey Marty, I actually saw some of these slicks that you had posted on Ebay,,, I followed the link over to the site and was wondering if there were any plans by Hurst, or if they already have the Trackmaster 854 Series in a Whitewall??

[/ QUOTE ]

or a 10" width?

Paul

[suedesled]

I haven't updated the site for that tire yet. I will post a pic on here tommorrow.

[bradberry00]

without sounding like a complete jackass....

i know you are not suppose to mix radials and bias tires....

but, what is the exact reason why???

[four-thirteen]

[ QUOTE ]
without sounding like a complete jackass....

i know you are not suppose to mix radials and bias tires....

but, what is the exact reason why???

[/ QUOTE ]

your car will explode and kill a bunch of people. for fucks sake, don't do it.....
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[bradberry00]

wasn't planning on doing it....just curious why....

[wes]

anyone run the ones speedway sells? who makes those ones?
wes

[crow]

A radial has its plys running perpindicular to the tread, a bias is usually criss-cross. They track differently, grip differently, wear differently and conform to road irrregularities differently making for a squirrely ride if you mix 'em. It's not impossible just not advisable, and it WILL make yer car explode.

[bobbleed]

Bias tires and radials act differently so you can't mix them. They basically will fight each other. Bias tires follow the grain of the road. Radials don't.

If you were to run radials in the front and bias in the back, or one bias ply and the rest radials. The bias will fight the radials and the car will handle terribly. The tires will try to take you in different directions.

It is not recomended, but you can run radials in the back and Bias in the front. The radials will "follow" the Bias fronts, and the car will handle OK.

That being said, there is no problem running the Hurst recap radial slicks with bias fronts. Those slicks are pretty stiff.

I've been running my roadster like that for a few years. I have several thousand miles on it with no problem.

The speedway slicks are made by Hurst.

[wes]

i just realized that pomona is coming in a couple weeks, moon always has a booth and is selling em, are they the hurst ones also?

[suedesled]

Yes we make them for Moon and Speedway. We only sell the 28x7 to Speedway. That's why there only a 100.00 each.

[Hot Rod To Hell]

Granted it's a little different than the tires you guys are talking about here, but I used to run the BFG Drag Radials on my car (with Radial fronts), and it wouldn't hook (but it handled like a DREAM), so I went to the M/T ET Street (bias cheater slick), and kept the radial fronts, and it hooks better, but HOLY FUCK!!! Don't let go of the steering wheel if the road ain't PERFECT!!!!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

When I kill these ones I'll try the new M/T Drag Radials! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[Roothawg]

I have a few questions for you.

1. Do you make it in a 16x10?
2. If not, do you build any bias ply 16x10's?
3. I want a set for my race car, how do they hook up?
4. I am scared of recaps because you see tons of them on
the side of the road. What causes this? Heat? Overloaded?

[57wagon]

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but HOLY FUCK!!! Don't let go of the steering wheel if the road ain't PERFECT!!!!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

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I think I just found out why my Model T rides like shit!!! I think that is what is on the car now.. I'll look and see tonight, thanks for the tip!!!

[suedesled]

I'm glad you asked; I am working on a 16" now but 8.5 is as wide as I go for now. I run them on my dragster no problem. What you see on the road(alligators) isn't actually a retread but a new truck tire. This is what happens to a hard sidewall truck tire when it is run low on air pressure.

Our caps are still different. Unlike a cold cap where they glue the tread to the tire; we buff the tire down t the radial core, apply new rubber, then install it back in the mold. It is cooked together and cannot seperate.

[Gas_Tires_Oil]

Hot Rod To Hell - I'm running that combo right now! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Radials in front with MT ET Streets in the rear. Gotta luv it!

[suedesled]

Hey Guys. This is the Trakmaster 904 whitewall. This one is a little taller than the 854 with the same piecrust. These are 29x8x15; It has a 1" whitewall and no other name on the sidewall other than the Hurst and DOT specs. We don't get a lot of these but they are top quality. 299.00 a pair.

[Roothawg]

Man I have a set of 16x10 Halibrand wheels on the fly. I need some 16x10's of some kind. I hafta run Hoosier drag slicks and they just don't look right.

[suedesled]

keep an eye on the site. I am working on them but it will be a month or so. The'll be black walls only for a while.

[cougardan]

Roothawg, you can get 16's from M&H Racemaster. I'll see if I can find the link.
Dan

[cougardan]

Here's the link. The 1200x 16 are what they use on the front engined fuelers. Nice tire.

http://www.intercotire.com/html/drag-slicks.htm

Dan

[suedesled]

We are talking about piecrust slicks Cougardan

[cougardan]

Roothawg wrote...Man I have a set of 16x10 Halibrand wheels on the fly. I need some 16x10's of SOME KIND . I pointed out an option to him.

Dan

[suedesled]

Your right, I missed that part.

[Hellbilly_Buzzard]

suedesled

I have a question for you.

On the Trakmaster 854s what rim width should I run for the 8.5" I assume they don't need tubes....

What would be a nice looking front tire that fits a 16 X 4.5 rim for the fronts. Something that looks vintage, but yet still a radial. Wide whites if possible.

Thank you.

[suedesled]

A 7 or 8" works very well and they don't need tubes. I have a nice pair of 6.00 x 16's (wide whites) I was going to list on Ebay but if you want them I will sell them for 100.00 and ship them with your slicks.

[L B]

These are Hurst's. They are 29x8x15. Gonna finally start the mo the next week. Can't wait to roll em ! They do give the O'krate the right LOOK !

[Roothawg]

The problem is Dan on the 1200 series.....that equates out to like 33" tall tire, if I remember correctly. I don't have enough stall to turn that big of a tire. I had looked at those in the past.Thanks anyway. I would prefer to have the piecrust though.

[suedesled]

Great looking car. I'd like to have an 8x10 of that car. Did you get your "traction by Hurst" decals for your 1/4 windows?

[suedesled]

Hey Roothawg, We are working on the 10.00-16 now. This particular mold was missing parts so it will take a few weeks. Give us a call so i can get your info and I will call you when they are ready.

[NealinCA]

Marty - Is the 904 on a radial casing also? I want a smooth blackwall with no letters, is this my only choice? To turn these with the white on the inside?

BTW, I am using a 15x8.5" wheel and want a 28-29" tire.

Thanks,

Neal

[Flatdog]

Marty, how well do the tires work at the track? Does anyone have some 60' numbers?

[suedesled]

904's are available all black as well. they are 270.00 pr. in an 8 1/2"

[suedesled]

I have time slip using the 904's on my nailhead powered 29 of 1.68.

Hey Roothawg; Here's your tire. I will start a new thread.

[Roothawg]

Saweeet...............