Define "Too new" or "Too modern"

[JR66Ford]

--Warning, this post contains smartass comments and general pig-headed remarks--

Could someone explain to me what is considered too new? I was recently criticized for wanting to put EFI into my truck. Is that too modern? If so, what about the guys who put that late 60's hemi into a '31 coupe? That's almost 40 years 'modern'. So, when I want to take a '66 and stick a late 90's EFI motor into, what's the difference?

Sorry, just had to vent, seems like a contradiction in the hot rod cause.

[Jeff Norwell]

O boy.... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif.....

[hankcash]

Hey JR66....

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gifDUCK! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

HC

[4t64rd]

...kinder... gentler....

[disastron13]

Yeah...disc brakes are too moderm, like they were on Jags in 1949, four bar and coil spring rear ends were an Aston Martin patent in about 1956...
I think it's about, "where do ya draw the line".
There are plenty of banger guys who would never, ever use a part newer than 1930, and they are more hard core than most HAMBers.
Personally I have learned my lesson from hard livin', no more girlfriends or cars under 40 years old, and this time I really mean it.

[Mass Butcher]

Too new? To me it's post 63 cars and trucks. I like all kinds and all years, but fuel injection isn't really following in the lines of traditional, but certainly falls in lines of Street Rods. I'm sure others will elaborate further.

[oldchevyseller]

i think your 66 truck runs right on the line of what is considered the time this site is focused on, as far as the drivetrain ,hard to argue that why would a 57 fuelie engine from a chevy be ok ,but the new ramjet is too new? this could be as exciting as the" later bitches" post!!!!!

[JR66Ford]

Ok, Ok, I don't want to start any crap. Maybe get a few feathers riled up, but nothing more. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I forgot about the "streetrod" term. I guess my truck would fall under that. Don't worry y'all, my '62 Fairlane will be old skool all the way. Probably going to try and stuff a tri-power FE into it with a top loader, he he he

[Jeff Norwell]

JR66FURD/......Do what YOU want....thats the best way http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Mass Butcher]

[ QUOTE ]
Ok, Ok, I don't want to start any crap. Maybe get a few feathers riled up, but nothing more. I forgot about the "streetrod" term. I guess my truck would fall under that. Don't worry y'all, my '62 Fairlane will be old skool all the way. Probably going to try and stuff a tri-power FE into it with a top loader, he he he

[/ QUOTE ]

No feathers riled up http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif As long as you like your pick up who cares what anyone here tells you? You want to put a efi in it, go ahead. Call it whatever term you want, street rod, death rod, rat rod, hot rod, blah blah blah. Ultimate goal:be happy and take pleasure knowing you did shit yourself! (on a side note the Fairlane sounds like it will be nice when done). Good luck

[Unkl Ian]

Doesn't matter what you do,or what parts you use;
somebody,somewhere,
with their "I'm more hard core than you" attitude,
will be pissed off.





Too Fucking Bad.

You paid for it,it's yours,do what you want.

[spudshaft]

For me, most of the time, if it has a computer or other gadgetry, it's too new

[hankcash]

[ QUOTE ]
For me, most of the time, if it has a computer or other gadgetry, it's too new

[/ QUOTE ]

Like when you go to the parts store and ask for a fan belt.. and they ask if you are running Windows 2000 or XP?

I agree....
When I look under the hood of my Yukon, I can't help but look for the keyboard and mouse http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

HC

[Smokin Joe]

35 year old Camaros, Mustangs and Chevelles brought back from the grave are too new.
35 year old 6 cyl Impalas, station wagons, pickup trucks and 4 doors are ok. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Oh, and 2004 Brookvilles are OK too! 2004 Wescotts are borderline. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

If you don't know what's traditional, I can't help you. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[ QUOTE ]
I can't help but look for the keyboard and mouse

[/ QUOTE ]
No keyboard in my Chevelle HC, but it does have a mouse. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Kojack]

Well, at least you're moving forwards, you know? You could always get a "modern" car and go "ol' skool" with it! Like... 1876 old skool...

[Fraz]

.....Spreading the gospel of traditional rods and customs......

Yeah, I'm one of them that barked about putting more modern stuff in yer pickup. We're a hardcore bunch of "traditionalists" who like our rods, customs, and pickups to be styled after what was available back from the early days up till around about 66-67 or so. Yeah, one or two of us have billet rims on our rides (not me), and yeah, obviously we are taking advantage of modern day stuff like GOOD reliable airbag suspensions and more modern tire technology and cheap but available modern day parts. But our tires get turned by a 27 T coupe sportin a 51 Olds with 6 carburetors, or a 50 Merc chopped just right, runnin an early Hemi with dual quads. A 32 3 window running a triple carbed flathead and bias ply WWW's.

I myself am more into the early 60's stuff, with metalflake painjobs and watson style scallops and seaweed flames, chrome reversed rims, or a set of Astros, Radirs, or early Torque Thrusts. Scavenger pipes, and cubic assloads of chrome. White pearl tuck n roll everywhere, including the front wheelwells.

And I'm considered a bit modern.

EFI and computer controlled BS don't cut it for us. You want to run it, fine, but don't expect us to like it, and DO expect someone to say something about it.

[porknbeaner]

I guess that you probably wouldn't be welcome at one of those billetproof thingys with your EFI but set up right it could be a good dependable hauler.
Depending on which way I jump next I could end up with a 700R in my hotrod. I know I know real hotrods have 3 peddles, so I'll hang an extra peddle. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I'm not personally real thrilled by EFI but that doesn't mean that you can't have one, or that there is anything really wrong with one. Some guys use late model trucks to haul parts and no one gets upset about that.

Funny thing the other day I read a post that said if it was a custom it didn't matter what was under the hood, so I guess where it really lies is will you consider your truck to be a hotrod or a custom?
Don't open the hood, don't say anything and maybe no one will know.

[Orange54]

http://home.mchsi.com/~tpetty/wsb/media/129404/site1016_t.jpg

I confess I drive this every day.

http://home.mchsi.com/~tpetty/wsb/media/129404/site1039_t.jpg

And sometimes this although the 283 came out of a 67 truck. For shame.

http://home.mchsi.com/~tpetty/wsb/media/129404/site1027_t.jpg
And someday this that I drove in High School.

I got a thing for 47-54 chevrolet trucks.

[Fat Hack]

It's really a personal perspective thing...ask ten different HAMBers what they consider "too new" or "too modern", and you'll likely get ten different answers!

For me, I think anything available on a production car up until 1986 (last year that most were carbureted) is fair game. The parts are plentiful and cheap...but weird and stupid at the same time...install them into old cars at your own risk!!

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(That was a dig at MYSELF, by the way! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif)

I love cars built completely traditional and era-specific, but I also dig old cars that still LOOK like old cars...with newer mechanicals hidden within.

(Hot rodders were always seeking out modern engines to stuff into their favorite body styles...no reason that the same body styles favored THEN can't still be the cars of choice NOW...but I'm open to the traditional line of thinking that says "Go get a new engine out of a late model wreck to improve the way this car runs!". Back then "late model wrecks" were 57 Chevys...today, the sky's the limit!)

My idea of "late model" is 1978-86, others will differ! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

(87-up is "new cars" in my book! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif)

Bottom line...build what you like, or what you can afford. This is supposed to be FUN, don't read too far into it, Man!!!

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[Hubnut]

I think the "do what YOU want to do" statement says it all. I'll put my ass on the line and tell ya that I have a 53 Merc hardtop, flat black/shiny paint on top, all the usual stuff like frenched headlights and extended quarters. However, multipoint injected 302 w/overdrive, power steering and disk brakes...you know, all that shit that the mags tell ya to invest in b/c it's safer and more reliable, blah blah blah. Here's the beef, my car rides great, stops on a dime, and gets 23 mpg. I drive it EVERY day and don't worry about it. When at a show, if no one asks I don't tell. When they do I hear shit like "I wish my flathead made three hundred horses and got 23mpg, or idle at a stoplight for twenty minutes and never get over 180 degrees."

Now, to sum it up, do what you want and enjoy what you do. I wish I had a full dress flathead in that thing, maybe someday. Your friends may give you grief but in the end they are still your friends no matter what. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[hankcash]

[ QUOTE ]
http://home.mchsi.com/~tpetty/wsb/media/129404/site1016_t.jpg

I confess I drive this every day.

http://home.mchsi.com/~tpetty/wsb/media/129404/site1039_t.jpg

And sometimes this although the 283 came out of a 67 truck. For shame.

http://home.mchsi.com/~tpetty/wsb/media/129404/site1027_t.jpg
And someday this that I drove in High School.

I got a thing for 47-54 chevrolet trucks.



[/ QUOTE ]

Hang on.. let me go get my binoculars and I will comment about your cars.....

[Paul]

"Too new" or "Too modern"?

yes.

Paul

[hankcash]

Oh... that's cool... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Orange54]

http://home.mchsi.com/~tpetty/wsb/media/129404/site1037.jpg

Sorry about the eyes hank. I'm 3 and not a computer genious that's me behind the wheel. My big brother took the pic. You may have to strain to see me too. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Carps]

[ QUOTE ]
As long as you like your pick up who cares what anyone here tells you?

[/ QUOTE ]
HERE HERE!!!

[ QUOTE ]
You want to put a efi in it, go ahead. Call it whatever term you want, street rod, death rod, rat rod, hot rod, blah blah blah. Ultimate goal:be happy and take pleasure knowing you did shit yourself!

[/ QUOTE ]
YUP! Like who are you doing this for, yourself or everybody out here in the audience who would prefer you build YOUR ride the way WE like it?

[ QUOTE ]
Doesn't matter what you do,or what parts you use;
somebody,somewhere, with their "I'm more hard core than you" attitude, will be pissed off.

Too Fucking Bad.

You paid for it,it's yours,do what you want.

[/ QUOTE ]

Unkle Ian, I think I love you man! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[46stude]

So, everyone applauds DirtyT's idea of his Toyota motor, but a newer member gets bitched at in another thread beause he wants EFI in his ride? WTF?? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Not trying to dis Dirty's Chevota (I'm all for it), but thats seems pretty unfair. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[41ChevyTrucker]

[ QUOTE ]
Oh... that's cool... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



[/ QUOTE ]


hahahahahah that binocular comment made this post worth reading

[Fraz]

Huh? What toy motor in who's car?

[praisethelowered]

Why is everyone always looking for the "holes" in the logic, in areas where there isn't really a logic at work?

It is a DEAD END.

Like the jackasses who go to contemporary art shows and go around freaking out about "what is art" or not. It's a stupid, boring question. The real question is "what is GOOD art".

Same deal here. Who gives a fuck what is "not tradional" or "not cool". I want to know what you think IS cool and why. That is a question that you can only answer by building shit. Most of us aren't checking into the HAMB everyday at lunchtime to see the boundaries delineated over and over by a new crop of fake bad boys. It isn't the EFI that is boring it is WHY you want EFI that is boring. Your pursuit of reliability and good gas milage doesn't exactly inspire passion, you know?

Build the coolest EFI motor you can and I bet it will be appreciated. . Talk about excuses for what NOT to do and you just waste bandwidth.

I'm here to see what other freaks build in their garages that they think IS cool. Who gives a fuck what isn't?

[46stude]

Here we are-

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=492735&page=19&view=colla psed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1
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[willowbilly3]

When alternators first come out guys were chuckin them for a generator when they broke. Now even full dress flattys in a traditional deuce will have a one wire delcotron. And how many guys have changed their early iron from points to electronic ignition. There is no clear lines, only gray areas that run together and overlap. I will probably never run an efi on a hotrod but the idea of setting in the drivers seat with a laptop, and doing in minutes what used to take days, does have some appeal. I think the bigger issue sometimes is trying to find a place to fit in after we have built the car(s) we want.

[Carps]

Three completely different kinds of kool!

Missing is the LandCruiser which completes the set ensuring I have the perfect vehicle set for self satisfaction and gratification. Anybody doesn't like that, I don't care, since they are in my driveway for purely selfish reasons to satisfy MY various PERSONAL, motoring and EGOTISTICAL needs. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Carps]

[ QUOTE ]
When alternators first come out guys were chuckin them for a generator when they broke. Now even full dress flattys in a traditional deuce will have a one wire delcotron.

[/ QUOTE ]
Rebuilt and detailed on weekend, reinstalled on my baby stovebolt last night. Self gratification and satisfaction level 10 on a scale of one to ten.

If others like what I've done, that's great and it adds to my satisfaction and boosts my ego (thanx), but that's not why I did it.

[=mike=]

Too new for me is anything
that came off the factory line
with radial tires .

[JR66Ford]

[ QUOTE ]

Build the coolest EFI motor you can and I bet it will be appreciated. . Talk about excuses for what NOT to do and you just waste bandwidth.

I'm here to see what other freaks build in their garages that they think IS cool. Who gives a fuck what isn't?


[/ QUOTE ]

Ok, my definition of cool EFI is in my '66 F100, I'm going to stick a V-10 from a late model superduty F250. That's cool in my book, because it won't be a bolt in like a 5.0/AOD (which I have in my shop lying around). Plus who can't say 2 extra cylinders won't be cool?

[Tman]

Whike the V10 is a neat deal, it aint what the HAMB is about. Your first question is kinda like that gay Jeep thing.......you just dont understand! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[crewcutkid]

If it doesn't look right-it aint.
-Crew

[fab32]

This is an easy question for us old farts. If it doesn't have a crank hole in the grille its too new to mess with.

Frank

[safariknut]

"Too new" is when you can't open the hood from outside the car without firat pulling a plastic lever under the dashboard and when you do;not being able to see all eight spark plugs and the top of the engine.
"Too modern" is anything with a steering wheel less than eighteen inches in diameter,no chrome horn ring,and not perfectly flat.
There are other parameters but they are too numerous to list here.

[46stude]

[ QUOTE ]
pulling a plastic lever under the dashboard

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Good thing the stock hood release on my '46 isn't plastic! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Carps]

[ QUOTE ]
If it doesn't look right-it aint.
-Crew

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And what looks right to you, may look completely wrong to me, which takes us back to the fact that the only person who matters in all of this, is.... the one who owns the car.

[manyolcars]

They quit making old cars in 1948. Cars after 1948 are modern cars, defined as overhead valves, independant suspension, automatic transmissions, air conditioning, power steering. Sure some of these things were available before 1948, but Traditionally, 1948 has been the cut off date and this forum is about tradition.

[Carps]

[ QUOTE ]
"Too new" is when you can't open the hood from outside the car without firat pulling a plastic lever under the dashboard

[/ QUOTE ]
Phew! Mine has a plastic knob which I'm assuming is OK.

[ QUOTE ]
not being able to see all eight spark plugs and the top of the engine.

[/ QUOTE ]
DAMN!!! From the leaft side I can see the top of the engine OK but there's no spark plugs. However on the other side, I can see six of em. Is this acceptable?

[ QUOTE ]
"Too modern" is anything with a steering wheel less than eighteen inches in diameter,no chrome horn ring,and not perfectly flat.

[/ QUOTE ]
Geez you're tough, mine's big enough but only has a chrome and red plastic centre button and the ends of the two spokes are slightly curved towards the driver. Do I get any extra points for it having a 'mother of pearl' finish that matches the car's paintcolour?

[ QUOTE ]
There are other parameters but they are too numerous to list here.

[/ QUOTE ]
Like squeaks, rattles, rust, oil leaks, smoke in the cabin, springs showing thru the seat upholstery etc, etc. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[daign]

I'm not a one type of car person. Therefore I am interested in just about all fads, trends, or history of automobiles. Nothing is too new or too old to slip past my radar. Those of you considering stuff 'too new' might be missing out on some fun aspects of the automotive world you never new existed. On the HAMB is a different story.

Hence my late model custom with balls. (http://www.daign.com/300c/sb.jpg) It has a hemi, its definitely a hotrod. At its roots its pure ear to ear grin when you floor the pedal.Too new? No way. For the HAMB? Yes indeed... Either way I'll gladly take any HAMBer and make them a believer in a modern hemi. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[SanDiegoJoe]

[ QUOTE ]
Too new for me is anything
that came off the factory line
with radial tires .

[/ QUOTE ]

Hey Mike - dig the spare outta the Valiant - Original Bias, no DOT number...

[luketrash]

The reason I'm diggin this message board is that people try hard to keep the 'new' stuff off of here.

My daily driver is a '94 Ford truck, and a '98 diesel VW Bug.. They each have their own respective internet boards (ford truck enthusiasts and tdiclub.com)

The specilization is what makes the boards SO useful. I can pop in and ask a question about my truck and get 1994 Ford truck specific feedback.

Same with my beetle.. I can post some data I downloaded off the OBDii port with my laptop and some enginerd replies with a bunch of stuff about oil flash points, and soot getting on my mass airflow sensor..

I love the HAMB because I can get period correct information about this whole old car hobby I plan on devoting my longterm future into. What's funny is your pickup with a V10 is an oddity, and really cool in the right circles, and my '54 Ford is probably just a POS in most circles, yet I'll probably get less flack on here because my plan is to just get the thing running and use only parts from the 50's on it.

I like the HAMB because I can learn about this era of car culture without getting other junk like EFI and epa emissions junk in my way http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I guess the best way I can describe it is that pretty much every vehicle I've had has it's proper internet message board... The hard part is keeping them all seperate and keeping up with all the posts.

I think it's funny that some dude earlier today posted up his 96 Sunfire in the classifieds here.. he should be on some j-body web board posting that.. not here.. It's all about common sense, and internet savvy I guess.

[Tony Bones]

Tell anyone who tells you what to do w/ your vehicle to go fuck themselves. It's yours!

I've seen low riders that are cool, a couple of Tuner cars that were tasteful and cool, countless rods that were cool, and even more kustoms that were cool. Hell, I've seen bikes and 4 X 4's that were... You get the picture.

It's all about quality of craftsmanship, attention to detail, and sweating the small stuff.

[Carps]

[ QUOTE ]
They quit making old cars in 1948. Cars after 1948 are modern cars, defined as overhead valves, independant suspension, automatic transmissions, air conditioning, power steering. Sure some of these things were available before 1948, but Traditionally, 1948 has been the cut off date and this forum is about tradition.

[/ QUOTE ]
I'd be inclined to suggest that most of the people who frequent here, own cars that they consider traditional that were built well after 1948.

Like what about the traditional sixties hot rod or kustom?

Or the traditional 50s kustom or hot rod.

None of those cars couled have been built before 1948, even if they were based on a pre 1948 model, a traditional 50s hot rod was not built in the 1940s! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Phil1934]

It's Ok as long as you don't call it a "newstalgia" rod

[Deuce Rails]

[ QUOTE ]
Could someone explain to me what is considered too new?

[/ QUOTE ]

Anyone who wants to post this kind of shit is too new.

And this kind of shit is too old!

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