car painting and pinstriping question

[kustomd]

I'm helping some guys paint a truck this week and they are wanting me to do some striping on it and when they lay out some graphics or flames or whatever they decide to do they also want me to out line them.

I was going to use oneshot but they told me that they had used it before and cleared over it then it screwed the clear up where the oneshot was. Has anyone done this before? Instead what we are going to do is mix up some paint like what is on the truck and I'm going to do the striping with it. I messed around with it last night and it worked ok other than we will have to thicken it up because it was a little to thin. We were going to paint the truck with the base coat then I would stripe it and then clear it all. But I was afraid I might screw up the base so we decided to go ahead and clear it a few coats then I will stripe it and clear it again. Does that sound like it would work?
The truck is a late model chevy dually so I don't figure any of you all would care to see pics of it when its done, because its not "I.E. Traditional" but it pays the bills.

[lownslow]

you need to use a hardner w/ the one shot or it will do that when you clear over it......only pinstripe with pinstripe paint........or hok pinstriping paints do not need a hardner if you are clearing over them..i have heard good and bad about the hok. but have no personal experience with them......

[kustomd]

I didn't know that about the hardner. Why only use pinstripe Paints? Hell what I was using last night was working and its the same paint that is on the truck and it was mixed the same so I know you can clear over it.

Just wondering.

[lownslow]

well you said it was too thin for one.........i have never seen it look good especially trying to pull a long line.......it doesn't load in the brush and flow like striping paints............maybe some of the stripers on the baord can explain it better .....i am having one of those days where nothing is working quite right and am having a brain fart trying to explain it....sorry http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

i worked at a sign shop for a while and the guy doing the lettering argued with me about the hardner......so i said alrightthe only way to prove it is to clear without him using the hardner......we made a bet and the grumpy old man had to buy me lunch and clean up my spray guns and brushes for 2 weeks.......he now uses hardner if its getting cleared over.... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Jester]

"D", If at all possible do your striping over clear then clear over the striping.....if you do it this way you can make a mistake and still be able to wipe it off without hurting the base coat......if you need anything hollar.

Jester

[porknbeaner]

You can clear over the oneshot but you have to let it cure first and then blow on a couple of real dry coats of clear to seal it. Same as clearing over gold leaf.

The reason that you use oneshot or other pinstripe paint to pin strip is that it flows out better than your standard automotive paint. Its designed to be laid on with a brush as opposed to being sprayed on.

One problem that you will have to opportunity to encounter with the automotive paint is sag. Sign paint is less likely to do that. Another problem is brush strokes left in the paint because it doesn't flow out as well. Of course you may not encounter either.

But it sounds to me like you've already made up your mind, it'll probably work out OK, if it doesn't you learned something new.

[00 MACK]

My stripes get cleared over all the time w/no problem.Some guys like to put a little of whatever hardener they are using in my paint .Other times I dont. never a problem

[kustomd]

Thats what I'm doing jester. I decided against doing it on the base coat. They are putting 3 coats of clear on then I will stripe it, Lastly it will get cleared again. Thats basically whats going to happen there's other stuff to but i'm not going into all of it.


I'm not dead set on what I'm going to use for the striping if I was I wouldn't have asked the question. What ever works is what I'm going to use to get it done if I can't use oneshot.

[Slag Kustom]

have them just put one coat of clear no need for all the material build up. they will need atleast 3 coats of clear over the stripe to burry the line.

[lucky 7]

use hok paint and dont worry at all...it dries faster than 1-shot but it will not crack when you clear it..sometimes 1-shot w/hardener will still bust..i stripe over basecoat all the time,but going over clear will let you fix mistakes.how confident are you???good luck,im sure it will come out good...

[BARNETT]

porknbeaner nailed it...make sure the One Shot is completely cured...let it sit over night. Then, dust the first coat or two of clear...really lightly...then apply the clear like you normally would. No big deal. One Shot "flows out" better, like porknbeaner said...fewer brush strokes, better coverage and less sags.

[Jester]

When are you laying the lines? I'd like to maybe watch a bit if its ok. BBQ soon at Hubnut's or Mikes was hoping for sooner than later....its been hard to stay in touch since Gidgett's surgery........sorry to go OT on ya see ya around.

Jester

[kustomd]

Jester I honestly don't know exactly when they are going to need me to do the striping yet when I left the other day they had just jambed the truck and were getting ready to spray the black on the top half of the truck then they had to spray some silver, lastly spray some blue for the weird looking shit they are making on the sides. They are suppose to be finding out what color they want the border and the striping done in. Then they are getting back with me to come finish it for them.

[Unkl Ian]

Depending on what you are clearing it with,1-Shot needs to be real dry,or real wet.

The problem is the solvents in the clear are so aggressive,
they soften and reactivate the resins in the 1-Shot.

Hardener will help,if it's mixed correctly.
But even using hardener doesn't give you a 100% guarantee that you won't have problems.

If the 1-Shot is WET,you can spray just about anything on top of it without a problem.

IDEALLY,the first coat of clear needs to be DRY.Real dry,like 3 days.
Then you stripe it.Let that DRY.Another 3 days.
Dust on 3 coats of clear,then hit it with your wet coats.

Not many people want to tie up all that time just shooting clear.

And using HOK doesn't guarantee 100% you won't have a problem either.

[kustomd]

I think we are going to go with the original idea and just make the regular paint a little thicker by not adding as much reducer to it. It worked when I first tried it and I know I can clear over that. Plus we don't have that much time to get this truck done.

[glassguy]

ive always mixed in the same urathane hardner into the one shot and cleared it within a few hrs no problems...