Who wrote the rules???

[hatch]

Just wondering about the rules of hot rods. It seems to be getting quite restrictive these days building cars. We all want to create or actually RE-create cars that thrill us....but all these rules keep popping up.

Very few of us have the real deal....cars that were built in "the day" and never changed or updated....everything else is a recreation and I don't understand the rules about what is allowed, and what isn't and why. Some double standards seem to be getting normal....for example...

Rudy's truck had fake patina of sorts with the whore house deco on the doors. Everybody liked it and when the truck was sold and the new owner "defiled" it by changing the door logo's and everybody freaked out.

Next we see kustombuilders truck with a new "old" paintjob and the shit slingin began...what is the difference???

Here's how I see it. Either you have the real deal or you are doing nothing different than recreating "the look", whether it is with new or old parts...where is the line in the sand drawn?...If we were actually doing concours restos, we would know what is proper...very strict rules and documentation to decide what is right or wrong. But, this is hotrodding and the gray areas are getting confusing. Generators, not alternators, but what about cloth covered wire as opposed to modern wire??? Where does it stop?

To be a "real hotrodder" today, I think we should be using the latest technology, not the oldest, but we arent't. So....what are we???....Universal Studio artists??...just living in a fantasy world???...maybe we really DO need a rulebook. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[DrJ]

What he said.....

[Harrison]

My rules are for me alone. I don't give a shit about how anyone else does it (and might still like your car even if it doesn't follow my rules).

Cloth covered wires
Bias ply tires
16 inch wheels
Generators
Drum brakes
Banjo rear ends
No tilt cloumns
No electric fans
THREE PEDALS
and on, and on, and on...

JH

[BELLM]

Original hot rodders broke the rules, then made their own. And they evolve as years go by. I dont like rules. Dont want someone telling me what to do, how my car should look. I'm building cars for myself, and my wife. I make concessions to her tastes as I want her to be interested and enthuastic about this passion for hot rods that I have had for over 40 years. If someone else likes it thats great, but aint gonna hurt my feelings if they dont. Besides, rules are made to be broken. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[AHotRod]

Hatch,
As far as I see it, there are no rules, and that is what makes it interesting and fun. When rules are interjected, it just drives the "Personal touch" away...and ruins it all. Each one deserves his or her opinion...
Glenn

[hatch]

I agree that original rodders broke the rules...so why do we have so many today???

[Fat Hack]

Oh boy...there's a can o'worms spillin' over!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I have to say that I can relate to some of your points...one guy gets blasted for doing what another guy got worshiped for...and there seems to be no set pattern to indicate just what is cool and when! Often, the first guy to try a new technique that wins favor within his peer group is elevated to RULER status, while others who do the same to their rides are labeled as Followers of some hip new "trend"! The same in all cliques, but even more evident in our world it seems!

To me, it seems that there exists a fine and hazy line between what is commonly called "traditional" and what is actually "era specific modeling", for lack of a more clearly defined term! Guys will crow about this or that part not being "traditional", when what they MEAN is that it doesn't fit neatly into the time period being replicated by a certain vehicle in that person's perception!

The subject is a familiar one to me because I dabbled in model railroading...a hobby strictly bound by the "rules" of era specific modeling! You don't DARE try to sneak an Amtrak Genesis train through the heart of your steam-era layout...lest you be shunned and ridiculed by your fellow modelers! It trains one to be ever conscious about each little detail visible in the overall picture, and you get to where you can spot a 1/144th scale Ford Taurus parked in the driveway of a house at the rear of a 1960s themed layout and yell "Ah-HA!"!!!

So....are we to liken ourselves with MODELERS??? Trying to perfectly re-create exact REPLICAS of a cars that MIGHT have existed decades ago with feverish attention paid to the last little detail so as not to "spoil" our fantasy?

Well, you COULD....and that would be a fun and interesting challenge in it's own right...but I'll leave such anal retentiveness to my MODELING pursuits, and enjoy my cars with a little more carefree attitude!

I think it's okay to take a few "creative liberties" with an old heap to make it suit you and your sense of what you think it ought to be...and it follows the tradition of the pioneering rodders who came before us! They strived to build cars with what parts and means they had available to them and they employed various newer items when they could. It's an eveloutionary process, to some degree, in my opinion!

EFI and 20" billet wheels on a "traditional" rod? Nah...but an alternator and radial tires doesn't HAVE to be the Kiss of Death, does it??!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

In the end, what is "cool" is largely subjective and although certain tastes and characteristics can encompass a group of people involved in a given hobby...it still comes down to an individual's ideas and vision. That is why we don't all dig the same chicks, or wear the same clothes....or build our "traditional" rods exactly the same! There is a collective consciousness that helps to guide our perceptions and boundaries, however fickle or illogical it may seem at times, but the final word still rests within each of our own hearts as to what "does it" for us, and what just looks "wrong"!

Who writes the rules?

We all do! And when you average the sum of the group's input, you gain a rough draft of what passes for "cool" or "gay" within that group, but there can be no set-in-stone RULES that apply evenly to all parts of the equation...just too many damn variables!!! Use the word of your peers as a guide...but use your own tastes, abilities and judgement as your Rulebook!

[Bigcheese327]

I don't know nothin' about anything. I just know what I like. I see the advantages to using "modern" (1970s-era, really) components to build a fifties flavor car, definitely. I really dig a full-on trad build, but I know they're expensive and not entirely practical in a world where carburetors haven't even appeared on production vehicles in twenty years. I do know that smoothness, billet and electronic fuel injection belong on a modern Lexus, not a pre-WWII car.

[choprods]

There are rules-?that sucks...... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Germ]

what are RULES??

I don't know about that..

"SEEK and DESTROY"...

[Sam F.]

i dont really think that there are rules..there are just people that do things, they are in their garage working,doing things, hanging out,sometimes alone,sometimes with buddies,some times thinking, sometimes drinking beer,
it depends,sometimes they come up with ideas.........,some times they dream of new ideas that have never been done before,some times they come up with ideas of shit thats been going on forever. its hard to comprehend at times,,,

we all have our idea of THEE perfect hot rod,but of course our ideas,talent(or lack of) and money(and lack of too! the main factor) comes in to play and we have to sacrafice...

i dunno ,i wish i knew tho....

[hatch]

I don't play by the rules...never have....I just don't understand why we seem to be the purveyors of regimentation in what should be a "free thinking" hobby....

[53_210]

I say build it how ever you like it. If you want to put 20" wheels and billet everything on an old rod, then do it. Sure, everyone's gonna give you a hard time, but if that's what you want to do... I'm not saying I'd go do that, cause that's not what I'm into. But I'll look at anything. I'll just spend more time looking at something I like. "Traditional" or not.

[MoFoMOD]

I have a few cars both old and new. people talk shit on my glass bodied `27t on A rails, other people talk shit on my `59 Galaxie Kustom having door handels. As far as the new cars I own people talk shit on my `03 2WD f250 being lifted 7" and all the fast and furious hate my `04 G35 Coupe with a goddam AMERICAN flowmaster exhaust... the long and short of it is, I think that whatever you build just build it for yourself and what you like & dont give a fuck what anybody thinks. it's your time and money...

[Thirdyfivepickup]

To be a "real hotrodder" today, I think we should be using the latest technology, not the oldest...

[/ QUOTE ]
What about the import crowd? Are they hot rodders? They swap in bigger motors for more power. They use axles from one make, a trans from another... and mate it to a still different engine. (and only run 13's...)
I think anyone who modifies a car for performance (or even looks) has a hot rod, regardless of what they build.
There are many different types of hot rods... just enjoy yours because its yours.

[fab32]

How about this approach:

1. Buy a car that you like.
2. Take off everything you don't like.
3. Put on things that please YOU.
4. Paint it (or don't) a color you like.
5..Choose wheels and tires that compliment your mental vision of the car you want.
6. Trim (leather, plastic,blanket) to suit your budget/taste.
7. Install engine and drivetrain to suit budget/preference.
8. When you run out of things to do or money (which ever comes first) stand back and take a look. Does the finished product please you?
9. If the answer to no. 8 is yes, YOUR DONE. Fire the son-of-a-bitch up and don't look back.
Now after you've got you pride and joy on the road you may encounter someone who might give their opinion of your efforts. If its a compliment, thank them and be on your way. If it is criticism of your ride you have two choices:
1. Ask to see his car (critics rarely have anything they have built themselves) so you can return the favor.
2. Back up and run over the bastard.
Either way you'll get a feeling of satisfaction.

Frank

[caddychris]

The car that won the " Jive Bomber " award at billetproof this year was a custom built peice of shit. The guy built the car out of swap meet crap and had time to put floor boards in it and fix the bent front axle, but didn't. "For Effect". Is this what hot rodding has come to? When a Kustom Krapper takes the trophy over a car that still had the origional paint and a motor that barely ran, Leaking oil and coolant because the thing limped the whole way there, rather than looking like it did?

[daign]

There are no rules. Everyone just has an opinion and LOVES to state it on the internet, especially when someone disagrees. Half of the people stating those opinions don't have a project that runs, and I dare to say nor will they in the next few months or years.

I think a "hot rodder" is someone who builds a car their own way with all their passion and creativity and drives the hell out of it. Yes thats a broad definitition but it fits the bill?

Everyone else just needs to focus on becoming one and finishing their projects. I swear some people around here just collect projects but never produce anything... Whats the point of acting like a hotrodder and giving hotrodder opinions, if you drive a late model and have a pile of rust in your backyard.

I'm pissed off when my car doesn't run.
-Dane

[hotrodladycrusr]

Hatch, HotRodDrummer has that cool patina'ed truck in Michigan that your referring to. The one that has Ionia Hot Rod Shop on the doors which advertise his shop, not KustomBuilder. Unless, of course, Mike has built something in the last couple of weeks that I don't know about http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Zor]

you write some rules, and i'll try to get my car finished. we'll see who has more fun.

[Zapato]

the problem as I see it is that in some ways we have become as intolerant to changes as the "restorer" crowd. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Germ]

It has to have been touched by ALEX SHIFTER, and it must have a SO-CAL SPEED SHOP sticker on the WING WINDOW,,

germ

[flip7262]

I agree with 53 210., build it the way you like it. It's your rod, screw the rest.
Flip


If at first you don't succeed, change your approach. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[flyin'eye]

Zapato nailed it.....

[roadstar]

I like to bend the "RULES"

But I like cars, so what do I know.

[Travis]

I liked Cole Foster's comment a while back.

There's really no rules, but don't 'change' something just for the sake of changing.

Not to be a suckass or anything, but he does have a point. Kinda like the KISS method... Keep It Simple, Stupid!

So I guess when people get to changing shit around just to be different or unique etc it can really fuck things up in a car.

So that's the only rule I follow, now.

Travis

[brutus t maximus]

i picked up a hardcover hotrod book the other day, just to take a peek inside and see what the author thought a hotrod was, or is, or whatthefuckever...

saw iskedarians, and all the other classic hotrods... and something came to mind...

while these classic hotrods look so cool to me/us/somebody today i really wonder if they were all that worried about what anyone thought when they built them. Or did they do just like most of us do today,,, just modified the damn thing with what they either had, could steal, buy or beg, from what was available at the time...

i would lay you odds, that every damned one of those builders of days gone by would have used a 500hp small block whatever if it had been available,, i mean shit... the flatty ford had a lot of shit available for it back in that era. Everything else was exotic or had nothing available for it... They just built with what they had... period

so now to say that to be a "hotrod" it has to be vintage iron, flatty powered, and all that blah blah blah is just so much bullshit.. and i think we all know it.

i am not taking away a damn thing from those that do build in line with the classic design's but to me that doesnt make them "hotrodders" any more than their car's are "hotrods"

if anything these are fine examples of copies of the originals, or variations of the originals... and that too is ok... and i admire all that have either done so or are planning to do so..

now for the rest of us,, can a 54 ford be a "hotrod" hell yes, it can in my book. Just as a stude, chev, buick et al can be... just build your vision,, that is in the true spirit of "hotrodding"!!!

Now Ricer's are another story... dont get me started...lol

bob

[slazzen]

all my life I have been oblivious to rules paid the price a few times to many too I like that there is some amount of stucture in my life today a sense of instructions is what i like to call it some instructions can be altered to get a desired effect but I dont like to go off the road like the old days the bumps on those roads hurt sometimes

[50Fraud]

Coupla years ago I wrote down these rules, which were clearly understood by car guys in my part of the world circa 1957. I hasten to add that I didn't make these up; I'm merely reporting what was:

The Rules
In the late years of the twentieth century, it appeared that many of the Old Ways, set down in the time of Eisenhower, were not remembered. A brief review of these basic rules may help to restore our cultural traditions as we proceed in the new millennium.

- A girlfriend always rides in the middle of the front seat. A girl who is not the driver's girlfriend, but is even halfway cool, will ride in the middle anyway. In a Thunderbird, she can sit on the console unless she is tall.

- The driver may ride with his left elbow on the doorsill or his right arm on the seatback, but not both.

- If three people are in the car, they must all ride in the front seat. If two guys and one girl, the girl rides in the middle. If one guy and two girls, there is only one possible arrangement: Girls don't drive guys around. (Note: in certain seaports, three guys in the front seat are described as "sailor love". Avoid this.)

- If two couples are in the car, the guys sit in diagonally opposite positions.

- Weather permitting, all windows are rolled down completely. Rear windows which only roll part way down must be left closed.

- It is not acceptable to have rear windows down with front windows up.

- In a convertible with the top down, all windows must be down. Having the rear quarter windows up with the top down is inexcusable.

- If a car loses a hubcap, the other hubcap on the same side must be removed immediately (best to remove all four).

- Blackwalls and whitewalls may be mixed on the same car only if the rear tires are larger than the front, but they must be the same side-to-side.

- A car with fender skirts may be level or lower in the rear, but never lower in the front (does not apply in California, where skirts became extinct ca. 1954).

- If a car is driven without bumpers, the brackets must also be removed.

- If pressed for time, it is more important to wash the car than to take a shower.

- If really pressed, clean the windows and the whitewalls.

- If pipes are uncorked, driving at idle and part throttle are OK. Full throttle must be used very sparingly unless smoking the tires or actually racing. Revving in neutral is disgusting.

- A lumpy idle is always correct. Brakes or choke may be used to enhance lumpiness.

- It is sometimes necessary to blow the horn, but it is never cool.

Tony Miller

[zibo]

i think the #1 rule is

you should be able to drive it,
and drive it hard.

there are so many cool looking cars
and bikes,
that I know can't be driven realistically.
(not just around town, or slow speeds)

if you are making a specialized car,
like a dragster or monster truck,
I can understand engineering extremes.

I can't believe
the amount of time, thought and money,
to make basically
artistic paperweights.

the funny thing is,
those are the cars and bikes,
that get all the show,
and all the magazine coverage.

yawn

travis aka zibo

[Jkustom]

I am curious to hear K-Members take on this...

[k-member]

50 Fraud, those ARE the rules! Been following them so long they have become habits.

Rules are for ball games, Hot-Rods are for burnin rubber!
Or DIG OUTS as granny calls em..

[bobbleed]

The rules are written by the RULERS.

Every once in awhile a Ruler comes along and creates something truely special.
Then the followers get all faggy over it and make it gay.

Some dudes set the bar, others fall short.

That's where the rules come from.

Seems that the coolest cars don't follow rules, they make them.

You guys are confusing Rules with Guidelines.

[Germ]

[ QUOTE ]
The rules are written by the RULERS.

Every once in awhile a Ruler comes along and creates something truely special.
Then the followers get all faggy over it and make it gay.

Some dudes set the bar, others fall short.

That's where the rules come from.

Seems that the coolest cars don't follow rules, they make them.

You guys are confusing Rules with Guidelines.


[/ QUOTE ]

that would BE "HELLFIRE"

GERM

[fuel pump]

Who wrote the rules? .... I did for my cars and you did for for your cars. That's the way it should be. When I decided what I wanted my 37 to look like I knew a lot of people wouldn't like it. That it would be too "rough" looking. I built it anyway cause I really didn't give a shit about what anyone else thought. What mattered to me was to build what I liked. Would I do it different now that I've seen those reactions.... HELL NO http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[Sailor]

"The Code isnt actual rules, but more to be considered like guidelines"
Captain Barbossa... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[Dooley]

1. Build it
2. Drive it
3. Enjoy it.


.

[roadstar]

So far it's 50Fraud in the lead http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[hatch]

Thanks Denise...seems my brain might be afffffffected by the years of paint fuuuuummes... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Petejoe]

Rules suck, I emulate some aspects of others ideas, I think we all do that in some instances. Otherwise we wouldn't think wide whites or old mills were cool.These combinations are what my vehicles is.. along with my own creations and affordable solutions. After that you all can bite me if you don't like it. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif You guys spend too much time worrying about pleasing one another. Please yourself and your family. That's the only important things I know of...

[CruZer]

There aren't any rules,just pressure to conform with everybody else.If there were rules we'd all be building and driving the same car. So just relax and do your own thing.Who cares what others think???? AND..... we don't need no friggin' rule book.

[tommy]

Not to be a smart ass...but why do you worry about some imaginary rules? It seems to me that you are the one that wants to conform. You are aware of some rules that bug you. If you are truely doing your own thing, you aren't aware of what other people are doing or thinking. What other people think isn't important. Expressing you own ideas and building your car your way is all that counts. If you are worried enough to start this post, then you must be concerned about "The Rules". We all want our efforts to be appreciated by others. The others are going to have to appreciate what I like. If they don't...oh well http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Don't take offence. Just my observation.

Like my tag line says... Them that know(what I'm doing) understand...Them that don't ...who cares (GFY)

[hatch]

I am not worried about the rules, I've been breaking them all my life(ask my teachers, employers, friends, military superiors)....I just thought it was a bunch of bullshit for Hotroddrummers truck to get so much flack from the same bunch that idolizes Rudys truck. Some on this board are living by double standards.

I've always built things with wheels that satisfy me and not to please some elitist group. I love cars and creativity excites me...not conformity....and it just seems that conformity (narrow minds) is getting popular today...for example....new harley riders...rat rods....special events for "correct" hotrods..etc...seems kinda silly.....gonna be 78 degrees today...roadster weather.

[30roadster]

i'm going to run a hydraulic clutch with a toploader transmission on my mercury flathead.....probably going to have an electronic ignition....i have no use for a generator....I like other paint colors besides flat black..... and sin or all sins... I hate rockabiliy... BUT...I love the rat rods...I love split wishbones, rusty tin...and banjo axles....re-creating patina..for other guys... not me... I'm making an old "style" hotrod with some of the modern good stuff on it...I'll try to hide alot of it...but it will be there.....anyone going to say i can't park next to them at a rod run?

[stealthcruiser]

make em' up as you go along...
build what you like,not what everyone else wants you to like.
anyone can restore a vehicle,but,
it takes a real man to cut one up!
just don't let the restorers figure out what you are up to,or you'll never find any stock.

[haring]

Anyone who builds a hot rod or custom risks building a car that is only liked by one person.

The fact is, most people will hate your car for any number of reasons. The truth is that most people don't even like each other, so why should they like each other's cars?

Personally, I build vehicles with classic design because I know that it works. I try to emulate something timeless rather than timely. For me, a car that still looks good ten years later is successful.

Rules? Sure, there are rules -- for everything. You can see them as a contraint, or as creative framework.

[Dooley]

My car has paint, but will not have a full interior.

It will have a new top, but the suspesion is the same as it was 44 years ago when rooded origianlly.
It's not a rat rod., it's not a street rod.

My paint also has some dust, and orange peel, so it's not a show rod.

The front axle is chrome, but the frame and floor is undercoated.
What category does it fall in? I don't care.

Will real street rodders think it's junk? Maybe.

Will rat rodders think it's a street rod? Maybe.


Will it matter?

[Kevin Lee]

bobbleed has it nailed...WFO.

[C9]

Enuff....

Think I'll just get the roadster out of the garage and go somewhere.
Anywhere.

Is that against the rules?

[porknbeaner]

I wasn't here when the rules were written, but the jist of it back then same as today was/is run what ya brung.

The basic rule for a Hot Rod is lotsa zot and little weight.

Some things got changed for asthetic reasons, and others got changed for go fast reasons. A lot of what ya saw on the street was done to get the look of a go fast dry lakes racer in the beginning. Some streeters were go fast dry lakes racers,or dragsters in later years, on the weekend.

There were full on customs also, but they never pretended to be racers.

People started to stylize what they had according to what they deemed cool (I think cool didn't come around 'til the beatnik era). And that was where the rules started.

Something that you should bear in mind, Patina, or Fautina is for a resurected ol' wreck or a copy there of. Primered rods were never finished rods. There wasn't a whole lot of money back in the day, and paint and interior was last on the list. You dropped your cash on the drive train, and someday when you had the bucks paint and interior would follow. It normally didn't, until someone else with cash (gold chainer?) got hold of it. Some things never change.

Even a lot of the guys that raced didn't have the bucks to finish their rides out so they raced on the weekend, and worked at what ever during the week (my Ol' Man called 'em Pork'n'Beaners). Nobody notices your paint from behind, or pays attention when your setting records.

Normaly if you saw a truck with a shop logo on the door it was not in patina form, at least not in the beginning. It was a rolling advertisement, and dressed for success. Perhaps after years of use, the paint would get worn. They usually weren't Hot Rods, they were work horses.

My general rule of thumb has always been build it the way you want to, and let the chips fall where they may. Do you suppose that Roth or Barris cared about trends? No they were trend setters. Erson and Iskenderian were the same, they were also called Rebels.

I got a friend, an old guy (as in older than me) that builds just the way he did in High School (the late'50s) and here's his take on it, "If you don't like my car go look at someone elses, there are a thousand other rides out there."

Personaly I think primered rods are cool, but I don't have anything against shinney paint either. If you're shootin for a specific look than you gotta do your reserch. The rules are set by the period or ride your trying to recreate.

Right now I'm kinda stuck in the late '50s early '60s so those are the rules I try to follow. Did I mention that I'm not very good at rules? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I get trapped between custom and hot rod, I've always been a go fast junky. I guess I take after the Ol' Man.

You can bet if you see me in primer, its 'cause I haven't got around to painting yet. And you can all do me a favor, if you catch me runnin' hoops remind me that its a stolen car. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

if it don't make ya dirty it aint yours http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[=mike=]

[ QUOTE ]
"The Code isnt actual rules, but more to be considered like guidelines"
Captain Barbossa... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[/ QUOTE ]


Sailor , for you to quote a pirate movie , in relation to a hotrod argument about rules , is amazing ! well done my friend http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[RC]

Rules we don’t need no stinking rules!

[Hot Rod To Hell]

The RULES:
Anything from Michigan is GAY

Anything not from MI or CA is Bisexual

Anything from California is RULER

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[mytlo56]

Yeah, I've questioned these things myself. Why use old technology when we have new more reliable stuff to work with?

It's simple for me: Nostalgia. I like old stuff. I like old cars, old houses, old movies and surly old over-opionated people. I like a lot of stuff the way it used to be, not the way it is.

The rarity of a 50's era rod or kustom and era specific parts (whether it be the "real" thing or a copy) are well worth using that old and less reliable equipment.

Old shit is cool. New shit is boring. Point blank.

[flatordead]

As long as you paid your (hard earned) money you can do what you want with your car. Make billet show car, a traditional hotrod or a hen house out of it. It's always the ones that don't have done anything with their cars or don't even have one who are moanin about other peoples stuff. Useless to talk any further........

[safariknut]

Hatch;you're just tryin' to start trouble again.Now look what you went and did:got these nice people all upset!FOR SHAME!
Ray

[Paul]

ask these guys, they RULE!!

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/pd7f9a49b6b8f26448ffe4de7b2d97bc0/fafb8a09.jpg
some of Fat Hack's art from another post.

Fat Hack, 50 Fraud, Kmember and most of you get it.

It aint no big deal,

do it your way and hang with them that see it like you do.

uh, or not..

Paul

[jdubbya]

I think Fab32 hit the nail on the head.

[cadlights]

A few years back a bunch of us old farts got together
on Wednesday nights to work on one of our rides, didn't
matter which one, we became known as the over the hill gang.
We set these three rules;
Rule # 1 There are no rules.
Rule # 2 refer to rule # 1
Rule # 3 refer to rules 1 and 2.

Worked great

[beatnik]

Nobody's rules it's all personal preference.

I don't like it when people pick a part car either, but as sure as I just said that, I'm sure tonight I'l be parked on Main Street sitting on the trunk of my car picking apart at least one car that drives through with my buddies. It's human nature. That's why you have to build what you're going to be happy with and screw everyone else. No Rules

[Greezy]

Man I cant believe everyone missed the jist of this post. Or am I the one who missed it? What Hatch is asking is why is something cool when one CERTAIN person does it, and someone else does it its gay. There lies the answer it depends who that person is. Rudy has a following.

[hatch]

Thanks Greezy...it's all about the double standards.

[krupanut]

[ QUOTE ]
Enuff....

Think I'll just get the roadster out of the garage and go somewhere.
Anywhere.

Is that against the rules?

[/ QUOTE ]

Can I come with ya Jay? please?

[BARNETT]

Who you kiddin' Krupanut...you're not goin' anywhere! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Fat Hack]

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[hotrodladycrusr]

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[Smokin Joe]

You all know what you like and what you don't.
You all know what skills you have or can learn or farm out.
You all know what you can scrounge or afford.
You all know where to go for advice or help.
Put it in your head, then build it and put it on the road!
Get it done son...

Those are the only rules that really count.

Everyone's gotta believe in something.
I believe I'll have another beer!
Who's buying?
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[fordnutz]

The first rule of building cars is: there are no rules. Did the guys in the thirties and forties follow rules? I think not. They used the best technology of the day. I am building my chopped, fenderless 28 tudor after I finish my tub. Will it be a recreation of an old rod? Yes and no. My wife drives all my cars and doesn't drive a standard, so an automatic is a priority. She lets me play, I make concessions. Gennie shifter and 700-R yes. 305 dressed to look old, yes. Coilovers, probably. I drive my cars thousands of miles, comfort is important. Split wishbones and chromed drilled and filled axle, definitely. Will it be correct, who cares. Will it look old time, for sure. The only person I have to please is me. Do I have access to all the parts to do a screamin recreation, you bet. Pre 48 parts coming out of my ears. Do I want one, no way. I remember broken 39 toploaders and enclosed driveshafts and cranky flatheads. Do they look neat, definitely, just don't need one for long distance hauling. Build what you want, not what someone else thinks you should have. I need an old time looking reliable long distance cruiser that will pull my holiday trailer. Only the diehards will notice the incorrect points.

[TINGLER]

Hatch wrote: [ QUOTE ]
I just thought it was a bunch of bullshit for Hotroddrummers truck to get so much flack from the same bunch that idolizes Rudys truck. Some on this board are living by double standards.



[/ QUOTE ]

In regards to those particular two vehicles. Its like comparing apples to oranges. People dig Rudys truck cause it makes perfect sense. People had a problem with the other truck cause it doesn't quite make sense.
And that is all. Each can be appreciated for different reasons, neither is any more authentic, but the Rudy truck hits the right chords.

Its kinda like music. If ya hit the right chords, the music sounds good (think hot rod milestones). If you're slightly out of tune, people still get the idea, but something is probably just a little off (regular Joe hot rodder). If you don't know how to tune the instrument or play a damn thing, then your music sucks (ebay abortion).

bout as simple as that.


JT.

[fuel pump]

JT,
I've seen both trucks in person and looked em over pretty good. They are BOTH cool trucks. HRD's truck has the perfect look for a hot rod shop truck. It's still WHO does not what is done.

[DrJ]

Yep, It seems there's always someone who can do nothing wrong and someone else, even if he does the same thing, can do no right, and that person is a different person in different groups.
Take Boyd for instance.
To the group that DOES like his work, he can do no wrong....
To another group, he can do nothing right.

TV viewers might remember that commercial for what I don't remember but it had the company geek make a great suggestion and the rest of the board ignored him and 4 seconds later the CEO repeated it verbatum with a CEO type hand gesture and everyone hooted their agreement and awe at the bosses idea. and the geek says "that's what I said, but you went like this (and gesture)" and the boss says, no I went like this (and gesture). That'sprobably how he got to be boss in the first place, repeated group ass kissing for no defined reason. (or he inherited the company, or the money to buy it).

As far as hotrods go, "HOT ROD"* "rules" may be an offshoot of what cars look like, when built to fit within various racing rules.

* This use of the word "HOT ROD" is probably better defined as a "STREET ROD", otherwise it WOULD BE a car built to fit within some racing rules, and raced.

[OGNC]

Screw "the rules"! Build a car (or truck). Make it look neat. If you want to run steelies and biasplys then do it. If you want to run wires and radial WWW, knock yourself out. Just remember that no matter what you do, there is no way to please everyone...

[Paul]

I am building a car 60's Style http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

whatever that is http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Paul