Dragfest or BUST Toymaker's HA/GR Build Thread

[Toymaker]

Sounds crazy but I gonna try to have my HA/GR built by Dragfest on May 2&3. It won't be a true HA/GR because the engine I have is a '68 Ford 6cyl with an automatic but it will be built in the spirit of the BUG in the sense that's all I have. I plan to put a manual trans in it as one comes my way. So far I have gathered the engine, trans, 4:11 8" Ford rear end complete, and a'48 ford PU straight axle and steering box. I also have a Jegster chassis kit with plenty of tubing I can replace later. Yesterday I trimmed the 'fat' off the PU front end and I pulled the engine today. I may fade and not complete by May2 but I'll take it any way. I appreciate all the support you guys offer on this site...............here we go!!!!!
http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr84/Toymaker1/MYART3-1.jpg

[Mr. Mac]

Man,your taking on a big chore to get a running car that quick.
With a lot of help you might make it. Our first car took about 3 months with 3 to 4 guys working on it all the time.
Good Luck.

[Toymaker]

I may not make it, but the event has motivated me:D

[Rand Man]

What engine is that? Is it the Ford 170? I'm pretty sure some of the Aussies are running that motor legally. Most of the slant sixes are using post '62 blocks. Theory is that the block didn't change, so the whole engine family is legal. Just build it.

[Toymaker]

What engine is that? Is it the Ford 170? I'm pretty sure some of the Aussies are running that motor legally. Most of the slant sixes are using post '62 blocks. Theory is that the block didn't change, so the whole engine family is legal. Just build it.

DANG.....It might be a 200 cid, says 120hp:eek: on the air cleaner. Came out of a 69.5 Maverick and I'm on it!

[Old6rodder]

I'm not up on Ford but if that block & head are essentially the same as their '62 or earlier parents then you're well within the spirit.

Pre '62 slants are getting rarer but the blocks stayed the same in essence 'til the end and the heads weren't changed all that much 'til they left the drool tubes behind and went to peanut plugs. All the blocks and all the "tube" heads are considered good to run. Same concept applies to other makes.

Toymaker, if you're going to be there no matter what then we'll haul the Barn Job up whether we get a response to our inquiry to Randy or not.
See you there?

[Toymaker]

I'm not up on Ford but if that block & head are essentially the same as their '62 or earlier parents then you're well within the spirit.

Pre '62 slants are getting rarer but the blocks stayed the same in essence 'til the end and the heads weren't changed all that much 'til they left the drool tubes behind and went to peanut plugs. All the blocks and all the "tube" heads are considered good to run. Same concept applies to other makes.

Toymaker, if you're going to be there no matter what then we'll haul the Barn Job up whether we get a response to our inquiry to Randy or not.
See you there?
Sounds like a plan, I'll keep you posted. I just got thru cutting my springs (1/4 elliptic) and removing the E brake cables. I'm gonna run the engine as-is for now (it did run a year or so ago), it got some water in it but it freed up pretty easy and I hope the tranny is good. It really helps finding a complete ready to run front and rear end.
One of my favorites and the look I'm shootin for!

[64 DODGE 440]

I like you concept. Good luck with your build!!

[GMC BUBBA]

GET ER DONE !!!
If ya need any ignition work done ship it to me. I am doing any of the HA/GR cars at no charge......

[Toymaker]

Thank You BUBBA! Thanks everyone for there support!

[Rand Man]

I want to know more about your frame. If it's a Jegs kit, I bet the tubing is pre-bent. I've often thought this would be a good way to go. Show us more.

To tell the truth, I think the best HA/GR frame would be one you could convert to a slingshot later. With the right placement of tubes, it could be pretty slick.

[Toymaker]

I want to know more about your frame. If it's a Jegs kit, I bet the tubing is pre-bent. I've often thought this would be a good way to go. Show us more.

To tell the truth, I think the best HA/GR frame would be one you could convert to a slingshot later. With the right placement of tubes, it could be pretty slick.

The chassis kit is for a Mustang, The cage is too wide, so I'm gonna rob the 1 5/8 tubing from the kit to construct the drivers compartment. The cage will probably be 1 3/4 since I have a bender and those materials also. The main rails will be 3x1 1/2" .120 or .095 wall, I could use some feedback on that. I have given some thought about the slingshot conversion but I have to stay on track to get this done.

[Toymaker]

Latest piece for car..................

[Rand Man]

The "00" Okie Outlaw car you posted is built too light in my opinion. You can see the frame flexing when it drives around the pits. They say it's cro-moly so that's not a problem. If you are using regular mild steel, flex will lead to work harding and breakage.

[Toymaker]

The "00" Okie Outlaw car you posted is built too light in my opinion. You can see the frame flexing when it drives around the pits. They say it's cro-moly so that's not a problem. If you are using regular mild steel, flex will lead to work harding and breakage.
Rand' gonna use mild steel, 3 x 1 1/2 .120 wall, picked up the material 2day! Thank you for your input, does the 00 car have a rigid mounted front axle? I'm leaving for the March Meet tomorrow, so I'm physically in a holding pattern (my brain is still building like it's on 100% NITRO:D). Not much progress the last 2 days, got my lug pattern template made to redrill the '48 front hubs and made my 1/4 elliptics.

[Rand Man]

"00" is rigid, as is mine. Get busy!

[Toymaker]

Well after 2 weeks away from home, a vacation that included a visit to Bubba's Hot Rod Shop and Trailer Park (Thanks for the tour Jim), it's time to get after it. This week I fabbed the front spring brackets, cut my frame tubing, found a 37 ford front end that I split the wishbones, cut down my spindles and got my Coker's to name a few things accomplished. I'm gonna try a "Dragster Build Night" this weekend and I'll post pictures of the progress. I'm in need of a short tailshaft ford 3 speed and the clutch bellhousing assy for a Ford 200 6 if anyone has one.
'Til Sunday, Rocky

[Rand Man]

Keep it up.

[Toymaker]

Far from done but it rolls! When I mounted my rear tires up I found a 2" difference in the rollout (one is 93" and the other is 91"), something to watch for. So far I've spent $70.00 on the frame, $230.00 on the rear tires and 35.00 on the front wheel seals:confused:. I never thought it would be so cool, fun all rolled in one to build something so basic. My friends and family (the Team Twirl'n crew) are the best!

[Toymaker]

The guys at Coker are the best, they fix my tire problem no questions asked!

[Toymaker]

I drug the six out and cleaned it up to fire on the floor and found 2 stuck valves. So now I add a ring and valve job to the "to-do" list!!

[Mr. Mac]

Lookin good,your moving along very well.

[Royalshifter]

Looking great.

[Drewfus]

without wanting to sound like an ass, have you considered moing the engine forward a bit to give yourself room to move a bit, as I know that when I did mine I found that now, looking back, I with I had mooved the engine forward a bit more as whilst I made my situation 'work', things would have been so much easier if I just had a bit more space to work with....for me that was another 4" (in your case I tend to think another 18"...).

Keep at it, and keep up the forward momentum.

Cheers,

Drewfus:)

[Toymaker]

Drewfus, I'll accept any ideas and reccomendations. Your right I've since decided that the short 3 speed is not necessary.....No leg room. I guess I thought I was building a slingshot:D Anyone with a 200 Ford six or parts in the cali area that wants to help or sell it reasonable please pm me. Rocky
without wanting to sound like an ass, have you considered moing the engine forward a bit to give yourself room to move a bit, as I know that when I did mine I found that now, looking back, I with I had mooved the engine forward a bit more as whilst I made my situation 'work', things would have been so much easier if I just had a bit more space to work with....for me that was another 4" (in your case I tend to think another 18"...).

Keep at it, and keep up the forward momentum.

Cheers,

Drewfus:)

[Toymaker]

Well I spent the day @ Pick and Pull, got another 200 that looks preatty good we'll see!

[zorba]

I think your project is right on. Hope you will finish it in time. Any idea on how to find out about the "200 car limit on entries" and where to register? Don't want rooms if I can't run. Zorba

[Toymaker]

Well after a long week I finally got the engine runnin'. It started Saturday @ Pick & Pull pulling an engine and trans I thought I could use but it turns out it wouldn't fit (Ford Changed the bellhousing in '80) between my frame rails. So I yanked the head off and put it on the old short block, rebuilt the carb and distributor, fabbed the engine and tranny mounts and fired it tonight. Now it's on to the Drivers compartment and cage. Recent purchases were the long block $102.00, carb Kit $20.00, Points and condensor $30.00 (don't ask), gasket set $32.00 and some odds and ends. Only 30 days left 'til DragFest!

[Yo Baby]

A man on fire. Gotta love it!

[Oilcan Harry]

Got another 200? Alright a straight 6 twin engine HA/GR! lol

[Rand Man]

400 cubic inches, go for it.

[Oilcan Harry]

400 cubic inches, go for it.

Man, crank to crank that a'd be one long dude! Ah a straight 12.........

[Toymaker]

Been working on the steering and got my steering shaft extension (almost) done for the F-1 box. I cut the 'drop arm' off the splined section and machined a hub out of it that press fits into 1 5/8 tubing. Then I cut a slot into the tube/hub combo, welded a tube that a 3/8 bolt will go thru that will pinch the hub after I slit it. The steering shaft is also notched for bolt clearence to help assure it don't fall off. I also have the drivers compartment bars all fitted, made my water pump block off plate, water fill tube with cap and most important got my carb scoop ($25.00) mounted:D.....................24 more DAYS!

[64 DODGE 440]

Looking good Toymaker. Keep up the good work!

[Toymaker]

Got the steering box mounted, steering shaft support made, and my roll cage bent up. The cage came out a little wide but it's as tight of a radius my homemade bender will do. Plus I ran out of 1 3/4 DOM and with money tight I really like the looks of it:D I still need to add the helmet bars and will install the other 2 bars (making it a 5 pt) after Dragfest so I can run ANRA's Open Wheel category. So much to do with only 22 days to go!

[Rand Man]

I like the simplicity of your setup.

[sgtmcd42]

coming along very nicely. Keep it up!

[Mr. Mac]

Your doin Goooood!:)

[Toymaker]

I like the simplicity of your setup.
Thanx Rand Man, the simplicity is what I like about the HA/GR. I'm trying to build it like they would of back in the day, without too many outside services and parts.

[Toymaker]

Well......The steering is laid out using 1" .120" wall tubing ($25.00/ 20')with inserts welded in I machined out of 1/2" 'Hi-nuts' using 1/2" Rod Ends($22.00 pr). As far as geometry I just gave myself plenty of options and will see what works best, the box needs an additional brace to stop it from deflecting. I still need to fit the remaining diagonal. leg and helmet bars before we tear it apart Saturday for final welding. I know the car will be considerably slower than my 11 second door slammer but I'm Damn excited about runnin' it! Sent my entry in and feel fairly confident we'll have the car ready by Race Day, it will be there regardless.
19 Days, Rocky
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[moparsled]

DAMN!!!!!!!!!! you're coming along FAST!!!! Looking great!

keep it up---- you'll make it.

[REJ]

You think it will be slower than your door slammer, but with you out in the "open" so to speak, it will probably feel faster.
You are coming along nicely and quickly also.
Good luck and I hope you make the race. Keep us posted as to times and speed(hopefully with a bunch of pics!)
Robert

[Toymaker]

This is the only build that I've done with photos taken 'bout every step of the way, I'll be sure to get plenty at DragFest. Thanks for the encouragement, Rocky

[leeberz]

<----- hi im the toymakers son cant wait to finish the car since luck would have it i fit better than the old man hahaha dragfest here i come

[Toymaker]

Hey son your Comet avatar is too new for the HAMB:D Better use your old pickup or I'll sell you a picture of the HA/GR:D Welcome to the board! ..................I do fit a little snug:o<----- hi im the toymakers son cant wait to finish the car since luck would have it i fit better than the old man hahaha dragfest here i come

[Old6rodder]

Hell, we all fit a bit snug after enough years. :o

Well, I pulled the tarp off the HAMBster and lo & behold the thing fired right up and ticked over decently. Still had plenty of battery and the StaBil kept the gas in tolerable shape. Not bad for over four months, eh wot?

We'll dust'er off, put in some fresh gas, do some fiddling and maybe even rub some polish on'er for May, so's if we lose to you we'll look damn good doin' it. :D

[ThingyM]

Well you guys have managed to make me pull out my chassis and get back to work on it..But will have to cut off the back hoop and refab a new CAGE for it..But can't do it as fast as Toymaker does it..That guy hauls butt when he works on things, It sounds like..Will be at the Dragfest, And will be looking for youse guys..

BTW.. I have a set of Harley spoke wheels with spools for early Ford spindles. If someone might need them...

[leeberz]

well after a long day and night of tearing down finish welding and reassembly the ha/gr is getting closer to raceday pops will be putting up some pics today after he gets done with the floorpan cant wait for the first burnout in the shop hahahaha...

[Toymaker]

After a week of no progress we got after the HA/GR Saturday. After fitting the diagonal supports we took it apart and welded up the cage, front end and 'capped' the frame rails. fabbed the master cylinder and battery mounts and tacked in the fuel tank brackets. This project is an effort of many people, my great friends Bud and his son Jarred, Hippie, John, my son Lee and new 'Team Twirl'n Racing' Member Tom but above all without the full support of my wife I couldn't hammer on like I do. Anyway back to the build, last week I added to the purchases, $60.00 for more materials (10 ft each of 1 3/4, 1 1/4, & 1") and a $100.00 for 5 pt harness & rollbar padding. A few more pics, for ideas and recommendations..................12 more days, Rocky

[Mr. Mac]

Great job,I think you just might make it.

[64 DODGE 440]

Looking good ,Toymaker. What wheelbase did you end up with?

[Toymaker]

Looking good ,Toymaker. What wheelbase did you end up with?
Started wih a 20' piece of tube, cut off 19" for a x-member then cut it in half for the frame rails. With 12" 1/4 elliptic front suspension we ended up with a wheelbase of 117". Anyone have any input on my (hand) brake handle ratio with a 1" master cylinder?

[mudflap261]

18 to 24 willwork fine

[REJ]

Mine is 22:1 and I have no problem slowing it down. I tried a shorter one and was having to pull extremely hard to get it to stop.
Put the long one on there and it's "almost" like power brakes:eek:

[Toymaker]

I found some info on Airhearts http://www.airheart-brakes.com/pdfs/MasterCylinder_Selection.pdf and Mark Williams http://www.markwilliams.com/braketech.aspx websites.

[Toymaker]

Well we got the brakes, master disconnect, seat and belts, steering, throttle, done and the 'zoomies' ($25.00 for 6 1 1/4" EMT bends that measure 1 1/2 OD @ Home Depot) tacked together this weekend. The small things are kick'n my rear and the only issue we had today when we took out for its first drive was the front tires want to bounce. We have the body, firewall, wiring, the bounce issue and a few loose ends to finish up. It's going to be a long week! 5 more days, Rocky
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[64 DODGE 440]

Shock absorbers will help stop the bounce. Looking good!!

Take time and remember to breathe this week, it helps keep the mind clear.:D

[ThingyM]

Hey Rocky.. You are going to have to put shocks on that with the springs like they are...That will control the bounce..

[leeberz]

Well we got the brakes, master disconnect, seat and belts, steering, throttle, done and the 'zoomies' ($25.00 for 6 1 1/4" EMT bends that measure 1 1/2 OD @ Home Depot) tacked together this weekend. The small things are kick'n my rear and the only issue we had today when we took out for its first drive was the front tires want to bounce. We have the body, firewall, wiring, the bounce issue and a few loose ends to finish up. It's going to be a long week! 5 more days, Rocky


iwas lookin down to put her in low gear sum bitch was Loud with the throttle cracked open

[Old6rodder]

:D
Yeah, gettin' a woodie does tend to make it harder to pick out the shift lever.

Sorry, just couldn't pass that one up ................. :rolleyes:

[Ron Golden]

Who's young enough to get a woodie?

Ron

[Mr. Mac]

Me!:):):)

[Drewfus]

Toymaker, whilst I realise you're probably exhausted and trying to pull your hair out about now (not you Mr Mac:rolleyes:;):D) and updates/ photo's to share?

Cheers,

Drewfus:)

[Ron Golden]

Mr. Mac,

I see under your name it says "senior member". There aren't many woodies left in any "senior member"....lol.

Ron

[leeberz]

cant wait to head to dragfest tommorrow just got the word from my pops (toymaker) that the ha/gr is done ..... less paint but we'll do that when we get back

[Toymaker]

The photos suck due to poor shop lighting and they were taken before I added the helmet bars. I have a few minor issues still to deal with but I think we are actually ready! I'll post photos and results the 1st of the week. Thanks for the support guys, DRAGFEST here we come.

[Old6rodder]

Now THAT's a load o' (red) bull. :p

Car's lookin' good.
See ya there. :D

[leeberz]

that redbull is good hagr buildin fuel:eek::D

i cant wait to make the first pass

[2b-banjo]

Great job!!! Will you be bringing it to Mokan this year???

[leeberz]

Great job!!! Will you be bringing it to Mokan this year???


youll have to ask the old man

[ThingyM]

I got to be a snitch.. Both Ol'6 and Toymaker both made 3 passes.. Toymaker 15.23... Old6 15.80s... Last run on Sat. Toymaker stayed at 15s.. Old6 14.80s.. Alot of intrest in the cars..In fact, My wife says I have to finish mine now..OH! This was at the dragfest in Bakersfield.. And they get to run tomarrow too...I had to come home, So will have to wait to see what they do on Sunday......

[QQMOON]

Good stuff
QQ

[leeberz]

the funnest weekend of my life thanks for all the interest and support in our car and the barn job car cant wait to do it again this could be the start of something big on the west coast thanx Zombie had a blast .......from the past

[Toymaker]

What a great time and a great group of people!!!! The event was awesome, hats off to zombie, the Rod & Kulture crew, Randy and the Famoso Speed Shop crew. I'll post more 2nite, I got to get back on the ground and go to work now:D

Great job!!! Will you be bringing it to Mokan this year???
2b, I would love to go to Mokan, but this year would be tough. Maybe next year if old6' goes I'll tag along. Rocky
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[64 DODGE 440]

Rocky and Lee, it was great meeting you guys. That's one cool Hot Rod you guys have there. Definitely has the spirit.

Looking forward to staging next to you in the future.

[vonpahrkur]

Great watching you guys race! Cool to read the buildup of the car and then see it there going down the track!

[Toymaker]

Rocky and Lee, it was great meeting you guys. That's one cool Hot Rod you guys have there. Definitely has the spirit.

Looking forward to staging next to you in the future.

Tom, the pleasure was ours and thank you. If I can help in any way with your build contact me. Rocky

[Toymaker]

-I totalled up the purchases for the HA/GR and this is what I came with;
(2) 10" hose clamps for borrowed Fuel Tank.................$2.50
(6) 1 1/4 EMT tubing elbows for zoomies.....................$30.00
Axle Perch Nuts and King Pin shims...............................$14.00
LED Light and chrome bracket......................................$10.0 0
Front wheel seals............................................. ...........$40.00
Trans rear seal.............................................. ..............$13.00
Points & Condensor......................................... ............$35.00
Carburetor Kit............................................... ...............$20.00
Trans pan gasket and filter............................................ .$6.00
Drag Link Rod Ends and jam nuts.......(1/2").................$22.00
Fuel Filter and carb Gasket............................................ $8.00
Oil Filter............................................ ............................$6.00
Engine gasket set............................................... ..........$33.00
Carb Scoop............................................. .....................$27.00
4qts trans fluid............................................. ................$11.00
-24 fitting for fuel cap and misc hose............................$13.00
Engine for head and spare parts..................................$100.00
Materials to build Chassis(I had some materials on hand) .......$150.00
Rear Tires............................................. ......................$250.00
Welding wire and gas............................................... ...$100.00
Steering Wheel............................................. ................$25.00
Front center caps.............................................. ..........$15.00
Total _______(I added it in my head)____________$925.00
-I know there are a Number of Items missing but you'll find friends (I have some great friends) to help ya out. A recap of the missing items; I had the engine, trans, and sheet of aluminum, 20' DOM Tubing (actually leeberz's aluminum), U-joint, Motor Oil, wiring, switches, 'friend' supplied Ford 8" and mastercylinder, 'friend' supplied seat belts, front end, front & rear wheels, The battery and Master Disconnect switch supplied by Joe's Battery Service and Leisle Electric, 'friend' loaned fuel tank, 'friend' had a large selection of materals to choose from, 'friend' supplied the used HD front tires, and we built it.
-Don't forget to cosider the cost of your safety equip. (suit, gloves, helmet, etc.), luckily our shoe had all that and I built the car with a sealed floorboard to keep the suit cost down. I know this statement is over used but the time spent with family and friends, making new friends, and the interest in the car is PRICELESS!
-The engine is a stock 200 Ford and it ran only a 15.23 @ 88 mph best but the crowd loved it. I'm working on a pair of Strombergs (leebrz has a GRIP of em for dad to choose from, "I love my son"), had some wire wheels fall into my lap (thanks Thingy') and bought new tires for the front.
-The next event for TeAM TWIRL'N is a car show here in Fresno June 14th, entered to thank a couple of our sponsors, Truck it by Cerutti & Sons and eat Great Mexican Food @ Guadalajara Mexican Restuarant. After that we'll take it to the ANRA June race @ Bakersfield. Come by and say hi, Rocky

[Old6rodder]

TWENTY SEVEN BUCKS ?
For a carb scoop?
Man. I hate these high buck racers ...................

:D

You're so right, we'll have to dig up our receipts and add'em up too.

[Toymaker]

TWENTY SEVEN BUCKS ?
For a carb scoop?
Man. I hate these high buck racers ...................

:D

You're so right, we'll have to dig up our receipts and add'em up too.

:D:D:D:Dand sponsored TOO! I knew I'd catch hell:D:D:D:D

[Toymaker]

Got my Stromberg parts on the way from HAMB member uncle max. Great member to work with, hope to have them on by June 21st!

[ThingyM]

OK GUYS.. Here is what I was told just a couple of hours ago..For us Ca. guys to run our HAMB cars. We will be required to have a full driving suit,Full face Helmets, Jacket,Pants,shoes and arm restraints -5 or better..This is a standard requirement. So we can't really piss and moan about it too much..

[Toymaker]

OK GUYS.. Here is what I was told just a couple of hours ago..For us Ca. guys to run our HAMB cars. We will be required to have a full driving suit,Full face Helmets, Jacket,Pants,shoes and arm restraints -5 or better..This is a standard requirement. So we can't really piss and moan about it too much..

WooHoo.......We might be on our way to some racin'! Now all I need is to get ours legal by the rules and find a couple of seconds:D I'll work on the couple of seconds first, Rocky

[Toymaker]

Well my new deadline is June 14th for a car show, so I painted the front wheels and suspension, kinda looks like an old tractor color scheme:D but I like it. I tore the car down to add to the cage and paint, after tearin' the car apart and talking to Thingy' I think I'm gonna try to get the manual trans in before the ANRA Race July 21st. I need deadlines to get anything done....................Rocky

[Yo Baby]

Hell,it is a tractor.LOL
If what Thingy said is real,that's pretty cool.
Best possible news!
You're on the road to ruin now.;)

[64 DODGE 440]

Damn Rocky, that thing is turning into one fine looking tractor.:D

Hope ours will look as pretty. Getting some pieces made and looking forward to staging next to you guys next season if we stay on our build schedule.

[Toymaker]

I need a 3 speed ford manual transmission, long tailshaft complete with clutch, flywheel, and bellhousing for a Ford 200 6, I believe mid 60's to late 70's. Anybody out here on the west coast have one. Thanx in advance, Rocky

[Toymaker]

Well I painted the frame, engine and firewall to spiff her up for a car show the 14th. I also started fitting 2 more bars to make the cage a 5pt and hopefully make NHRA happy. I also scored a 3 speed setup to make the car legal and help me keep pace with Old6':D, we'll see later in the year. I dunno but it seems like an awful lot of red:eek:, I hope it all comes together after the body is intalled...............Rocky

[REJ]

Toymaker, you have that thing looking good!!
I think it will all come together and the red will not be noticed.
I would love for all of you west coasters to make it to Mokan this year.
Robert

[64 DODGE 440]

Looks great.......but ya need some holes in that front axle. :D

[ThingyM]

Rocky... Me thinks that the new set of bars has to be set back farther(more space between them.) I just hope you haven't welded them in yet. 1" helmet bars also.. Looking good Buddy.... Dick

[Toymaker]

Rocky... Me thinks that the new set of bars has to be set back farther(more space between them.) I just hope you haven't welded them in yet. 1" helmet bars also.. Looking good Buddy.... Dick
No I haven't welded them yet I just thought it didn't look as 'contemporary'. I checked the rule book and didn't see any guidelines on the spacing but I'll take your advise and add more;) Thanks guys, Rocky
Looks great.......but ya need some holes in that front axle.:D

Tom, Don't be suprised if a BIG package arrives at your door step:D
Toymaker, you have that thing looking good!!

I think it will all come together and the red will not be noticed.

I would love for all of you west coasters to make it to Mokan this year.

Robert

I'd love to make the trip but this year is out:( Maybe next year we could get a stacker trailer and all go:cool:

[Old6rodder]

Hey Rocky,

Looking at your extra loop it occurs to me that you could move the bottom of it (where it sits on the upper rail) forward close to the front loop junction, then lean it back far enough to look good, do they have to be parallel? That'd give you a "fan" look to it all and be more old style looking while getting you to a five point. Just a thought ...........

I'll take a look at the rule book to see if that'd be acceptable (with an eye toward another possible design to consider for ours as well ;) ).



"I'd love to make the trip but this year is out Maybe next year we could get a stacker trailer and all go."

Four HAMBster trailer train. :D

[64 DODGE 440]

Bet we could fit four in one of those Nascar double deck car haulers.:D

[ThingyM]

With the way fuel prices are escalating, You will be able to buy those pretty darn cheap..BUT..Who will pay for the fuel to pull it back there??? BTW> Butch welcomes any of the HA/GR guys to run the ANRA events.. Maybe we could set up a Calif.National...

[Toymaker]

With the way fuel prices are escalating, You will be able to buy those pretty darn cheap..BUT..Who will pay for the fuel to pull it back there??? BTW> Butch welcomes any of the HA/GR guys to run the ANRA events.. Maybe we could set up a Calif.National...
I'm supporting Butch 100% and after we get the west coast cars performing like our brothers back east an EAST/WEST gathering would be great!

[64 DODGE 440]

I'm supporting Butch 100% and after we get the west coast cars performing like our brothers back east an EAST/WEST gathering would be great!

Sounds good to me, we could do an EAST/WEST Match Race Tour like the AF/X cars did, everyone runs all rounds and the winners get free hot dogs! :D

[Toymaker]

MMMMMMMM.........Hot Dogs! I dunno 'bout out here but I'll bet the fans would love to watch the locals beat up on 'the Californians' back east:D Probably even roll the carpet out for us like we did for Garlits way back when:rolleyes:

[348chevy]

Hey at the 59 Smokers March meet when Garlits first raced on the west coast the announcer kept calling him Don Garbage. Bad taste! I think we can have a get together in about a year. I am looking for a 4 cyl. S-10 with a 5 speed to pull my Hamber around with. I know it isn't big enough but it will get a lot better mileage. Once you are up to speed on the freeway it doesn't take much HP to keep it going. I will probably need to put brakes on the trailer because I might need to stop.:DRoy

[ThingyM]

Roy.. I pulled a roadster up to Bakersfield (once) with an 87 Nissan P/U 5 speed.. Pulled fine. But man what a bitch to stop..Trailer brakes are a MUST...I know a guy that pulls his Fiat around all the time with a V6 Toyota..I'm sticking with my old Dodge diesel..19mpg. empty.. 15 pulling...

[64 DODGE 440]

Roy.. I pulled a roadster up to Bakersfield (once) with an 87 Nissan P/U 5 speed.. Pulled fine. But man what a bitch to stop..Trailer brakes are a MUST...I know a guy that pulls his Fiat around all the time with a V6 Toyota..I'm sticking with my old Dodge diesel..19mpg. empty.. 15 pulling...

I'm with you on that, Dick. Love my Dodge/Cummins.

[Ron Golden]

Roy,

Is the Jimmy together yet? I'm working on mine.

Ron

[348chevy]

No I'm working on it but I had to order a new cam. Three lobes were gone on the cam when I took the old engine apart. I have cleaned out all passages and got the full flow oil filter set up worked out. I am taking the block down to a machine shop that has a long tool to put the cam bearings in. I was going to make one but I figured what the hey this guy will do it for $20 and I can concentrate on other things. I'm going to try to have it running in about 2 weeks. :rolleyes:Roy

[Toymaker]

Well I got thru the car show today and it was awesome! Lot of interest in the HA/GR, people loved the simplicity, I did answer the HA/GR questions but my main goal was to promote those who have helped me out here locally. I know I'm a sellout:D with 'corporate ' support but I don't have enough energy to work on the Cerutti and Sons Transportation Hot Rod using my CR Industrial Supplies tools until I get a great Guadalajara Mexican Restaurant meal:D:D:D I couldn't resist. Anyway here's the latest photos of our car with the HAND lettering done by a great friend and team member (Bud)........Rocky

[REJ]

That thing is looking good with all that "red" paint. Seriously it does.
Robert

[2b-banjo]

That is a really nice looking gas rail!!!! Great Job!!!
2B-Banjo

[mudflap261]

That is a really nice looking gas rail!!!! Great Job!!!
2B-BanjoIsecond the motion

[ThingyM]

Oh Thanks Alot Rocky,,,Now how am I going to top that????hehehehe.....

[Old6rodder]

Looking good Rocky,

You know, we have sponsors too (they're just embarrassed to be identified with our workmanship). :p

It's going to look like Christmas when we line up. :D

[64 DODGE 440]

Looks great Rocky, now all you need to do is drill some holes in that I-beam. :cool:

[Toymaker]

Thanks Guys!

[Yo Baby]

Looks pretty good,for a "Tractor", ;)
Congrats!

[Junkyard Dog 32]

Do you think it would be alright if I poke around in you guy's supersecrethotrodgasrail(tm) society's broom closet...?

Wouldn't you know it, I just spilled my Rice Krispies...


Great job on that rail,man.




JOE:cool:

[Toymaker]

Do you think it would be alright if I poke around in you guy's supersecrethotrodgasrail(tm) society's broom closet...?

Wouldn't you know it, I just spilled my Rice Krispies...


Great job on that rail,man.




JOE:cool:
You BET! Thanx and welcome Joe, Rocky

[Toymaker]

I fitted the remaining bars to complete the rollcage tonight. My son will weld them all up tomorrow and then it's off to B'field. I hope it satisfies the powers of tech, I'm tired of pipe fitting, I want to work on the go fast part:D

[64 DODGE 440]

Hey Rocky, how did it go at Famoso?

[Toymaker]

Tom we had a great TIME at the 110 degree ROAST. Dick ran a...........O I'll let him tell his progress, I will say we got some catch'n up to do:cool:Lee ran a 15.20 something and went a couple rounds in open wheel and I'll let him tell that story:D I will say he got interviewed on the car by a guy who posts videos on YouTube! I was busy with my E Gas car while they were running Open wheel, so busy I WON the thing:D:D:D:D I want to thank Dick and Russ for staying and cheering me on and Alteredpilot (Mitch who announces) for the kind words and his efforts promoting the HA/GR class. Got a couple of things to do to the car but pretty much sailed thru TECH, now maybe we can find some time to get'r in the 14's.

[64 DODGE 440]

Congratulations on you win Rocky.

How about some pictures of the E Gas car?

[alteredpilot]

i got a chance to get up close to this thing right after you guys put it up on the trailer and let me tell you what...

WHAT A NICE CAR!

everything painted and pretty and it just got quicker and quicker as the heat got hotter and hotter (BTW..it was 115 thank you very much)

car picked up almost 3 TENTHS!!! NICE JOB LEE!!

way to go and CONGRATS on the E/GAS WIN!

[Toymaker]

Congratulations on you win Rocky.



How about some pictures of the E Gas car?

Heres a shot from the March Meet, I know it's O/T non traditional but I'm pretty proud of what the old girl can do! She's ran 11:40s and is a low buck, iron headed (pinned studs, roller tipped rockers), stock rods, unbalanced 302 Super T-10 4 speed car that deserves paint :D
i got a chance to get up close to this thing right after you guys put it up on the trailer and let me tell you what...

WHAT A NICE CAR!

everything painted and pretty and it just got quicker and quicker as the heat got hotter and hotter (BTW..it was 115 thank you very much)

car picked up almost 3 TENTHS!!! NICE JOB LEE!!

way to go and CONGRATS on the E/GAS WIN!
Thanks Mitch, sorry we missed ya, must of been when we went over for the FREE:cool: BBQ. I'll give ya a call .
http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr84/Toymaker1/TeamTWRLN7.jpg

[64 DODGE 440]

OT or not, that's a great looking hot rod!!:cool:

[Toymaker]

Man have I been slackin' or what! Time to get after the HA/GR, the 15's arn't cuttin' it and Old6' has been busy sorting his out. I've been collecting parts and it's time to put them to use, my first task is the 'Top Loader' 3 speed install then the 2 Stombergs gotta get on top. My goal is to have it ready for the CHRR if for nothing else Show & Tell! And if we get to run I don't want to be embarrassed.................More Red Bull Please:D

[64 DODGE 440]

Considering the speed of your initial build, I think you will be ready.

Maybe we should all buy stock in Red Bull, I hear their sales are going up.:D

I'm building as quick as I can manage, but we aren't going to make the CHRR this year, :( the events since January put this year pretty much on hold.

We're with you in spirit Rocky, keep Old6 honest.:cool:

[Toymaker]

Considering the speed of your initial build, I think you will be ready.

Maybe we should all buy stock in Red Bull, I hear their sales are going up.:D

I'm building as quick as I can manage, but we aren't going to make the CHRR this year, :( the events since January put this year pretty much on hold.

We're with you in spirit Rocky, keep Old6 honest.:cool:
Thanks Tom! Maybe you and the Mrs. could sneak up to the CHRR for a day, Your always welcome @ the Team TWIRL"N RV.

[64 DODGE 440]

Thanks Tom! Maybe you and the Mrs. could sneak up to the CHRR for a day, Your always welcome @ the Team TWIRL"N RV.

Thanks for the invite Rocky. We'd love to come up for a day, but if I was only doing one day it would be Saturday for the Cacklefest and it would definitely be a day too long.

Maybe we can make one of the later ANRA meets. We'll keep you posted.

[Toymaker]

The Cacklefest is GREAT, anybody who has stood along the fence and got MULTIPLE SHOTS of NITRO has to agree:D I took my Ford 3 speed Top Loader apart today for some massaging;) and I'm looking for a T-15 Top Shift assembly if anyone out there might have one. Been looking at Clutch Choices, gonna need to be creative to get a 9" Ceramic Disc. Trying for the 13's with the 3 spd, Strombergs, raised compression, and Camshaft change. I don't want to have the Dick's outrunning us too bad:D By the way you out there Thingy'? I gotta give you a call!

[ThingyM]

I've always got my cell phone close by.. You got my number..

[Toymaker]

Well I did some experimenting on an old head I have, and took another shot of her Naked:eek:

[64 DODGE 440]

AAAH!! More horsepower coming.......

Now, as long you have the car apart.......

It's time to drill that axle.:D

[Toymaker]

I sent in my entry for the CHRR this week and been working on the car. Found Centerforce offers my 9" ceramic clutch, Carbs are rebuilt and tranny is assembled. Hopefully they will let us run in the Exibition Class, if not I'm just going to relax and enjoy the weekend!

[64 DODGE 440]

We need pictures of the results!!:D

[Old6rodder]

Sure hope they run you. Their loss if they don't, this thing's growing in spite of their attempts to ignore it. :cool:

[Toymaker]

Sure hope they run you. Their loss if they don't, this thing's growing in spite of their attempts to ignore it. :cool:
I believe your right Old6', I'll bet we get alot of interest. I'm gonna make up some bus. size cards to hand out that will have the HAGR site, ANRA site, and our contact info along with a picture of the car. I also found that there is a difference in a T-15 and T-150 trans:o, luckily the person I won the T-15 top from on ebay had a T-150 top and will be shipping it to me this week, GEAR Bang'n Time:D

[Toymaker]

Well I got to figure'n that I have 23 days until I leave for the CHRR. So thats 2 RedBull a day @ $2.50 a can x.........:D

[Old6rodder]

.......... and 23 nights as well. :D

[Old6rodder]

GEAR Bang'n Time:D

Where in hell you going to cram a gear lever in that cockpit? :D

[Toymaker]

Where in hell you going to cram a gear lever in that cockpit? :D
It's gonna be a challenge I know:D but actually the shifter looks easy, the clutch pedal and linkage are gonna make me:mad:

[Toymaker]

WOO-HOO recieved my CHRR Credentials 2day! Clutch & Tranny's assembled and I'll stuff it all in the car 2nite.

[Toymaker]

Man this manual tranny changeover is a bunch of work. I have the scatter shield laid out and ready for Lee to weld up, clutch linkage is done and my T-150 tranny top shift should be here I hope this week. Can't wait to see how the car responds to the tranny change in 10 DAYS, should be FUN!

[Toymaker]

With the California Hot Rod Reunion less than a week away I decided to make up some "Hand Outs" the size of "Trading Cards". The cards will have a photo of our car on one side and some brief info on the other which I listed below. Let me know what you think and O'YA looks like I :eek: might be behind the wheel:D Rocky

Team TWIRL”N HAMB Dragster
GO Dragracing with a Dragster
you can build YOURSELF! The
HAMB Dragster is an affordable
alternative to todays HIGH $$$
counterparts. The RULES are
basic and HAMB Dragsters are
already competing @ Auto Club
FAMOSO Raceway in ANRA’s
Open Wheel Category.
Check out the ANRA, American
Nostalgia Racing Association @
www.anra.com (http://www.anra.com/) & the HAMB @
www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/forum (http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/forum)
display.php?s=&daysprune=&f=38
Contact Rocky Phillips for more
info @ 000 000 0000.

[Old6rodder]

The card thing sounds good Rocky.

Your gearbox's coming along nice too, I'm looking forward to seeing that top shifter. Tom's looks great and shifts smooth as butter. He has around 2 1/2 feet of lever on it, with a blue glass mushroom knob. :cool:

Really wish we could make the CHRR but I absolutely have to get the float crew some saddle time this weekend. Our mechanical inspection and first road test are on the 11th.

"and O'YA looks like I :eek: might be behind the wheel:D Rocky"
I truly want to see THAT sqeeze-in. :D

[Toymaker]

It's gonna be tight, maybe I should bring in a hired gun.............Russ available?:rolleyes:

[64 DODGE 440]

It's gonna be tight, maybe I should bring in a hired gun.............Russ available?:rolleyes:

If you call Russ, don't forget the rear view mirror for staging.:p

Like the card idea Rocky, and major cool if you can squeeze in there and make it happen, go for it!!:D

[Toymaker]

I'm gonna go for it, IF my shift top arrives by Thursday!

[Toymaker]

The clutch pedal, scattershield, and floor tunnel is complete and I have pictures to prove it:D The scattershield is 1/4" x 4" Flat Bar, once I put it in I didn't like the rear portion of the bellhousing uncovered. With room an issue I enclosed the back of the scattershield and then extended it to the tranny with 10 gauge which my floor board also covers. Only 3 days before we head to Bakersfield and we'll be ready less the Strombergs, I want to see what the tranny change alone will do for E.T. (my excuse and I'm stick'n too it!) IF my tranny top arrives:(

[64 DODGE 440]

Lookin' good. Nice to see those holes in the clutch pedal!!:D

More Red Bull.......

[Toymaker]

Lookin' good. Nice to see those holes in the clutch pedal!!:D

More Red Bull.......
I was wondering if you would catch those Tom!

[64 DODGE 440]

I was wondering if you would catch those Tom!

Light is good!!:D

[Toymaker]

I got the car done and currently relaxing at the Famoso Resort! Hope to have photo's Monday. Rocky

[64 DODGE 440]

Have a great weekend Rocky, we're there with you in spirit. Looking forward to your pictures and results of your new driveline changes.

This will be the first year we have missed since our first trip to the CHRR in '02.

Guess it's appropriate that we made "six in a row".:D

[Toymaker]

Thanks Tom, The camera DIED today hopefully 2morrow we'll get some shots. OK, so I stuffed myself into the car and made a pass........... a tire spinning 15.88! After bruising my knees on the dash bar I decided I better find a "Shoe" that fits and looks like we'll have HAMB "STAR" behind the wheel......but you'll have to wait until tomorrow for more on that. The trans worked great for me even though I was cramped, so I'm sure Lee will have no problem shifting it. More tomorrow, Rocky

[Old6rodder]

I'm waiting breathlessly ..........

and a bit jealously as well. :D

[Toymaker]

OK The Cats out of the bag! Royalshifter filled in for Lee and did a great job, running a 16.16 without missing a shift. We had a great time @ the CHRR even with only 2 runs on the car, we spun the tires but our goal was achieved, We Had FUN. We'll ease her off the line and get our shift points right and we should pick some ET. Russ was talking smack :D so we better get with the program. We got to put the car in the ANRA Booth on Saturday and hopefully drummed up some interest. Check out Royalshifter's thread for some funny commentary on a Great Time @ http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=300948
http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr84/Toymaker1/skipCHRR.jpg

[Old6rodder]

Good times, wish I'd have been able to make it.

Rocky, your "ringer" looks down right comfortable in the car.
Perhaps a tad too comfortable looking?
"Almost" as if it'd been built around him, hm?
He's significantly lighter than we are, isn't he, hmm?
That'd be a considerable weight advantage, wouldn't it, hmmm?
Doesn't miss a shift, hmmmm?
Intriguing that Lee was unexplainedly "unavailable" for a big meet, hmmmmm?
Mr. "Royalshifter", I think we have YOUR number ...........

:D :D :D

Sounds like you guys had fun. :cool:

How'd you like the gearbox?
How'd the cards work out?
And where'd Butch have his booth?

[64 DODGE 440]

Good show Rocky. Patti and I are really sorry we had to miss this one, the car looks great and it sounds like a good time was had by all.

Now.......you have a lighter driver, all you need to do is to remove some weight from the car.:p

[Toymaker]

Dick, Royal' had a GREAT time and did Fantastic for his 1st run EVER at a Drag Strip. I love the action of having to shift a real trans, jurys out until the Finals in 2 wks on any performance gain, probably gave out (or lost) about 50 cards and the ANRA Booth was right in the middle of the Midway. Butch said he talk to Russ that's why I thru in the "Trash Talk", if we had race cams, tires, pistons, carbs.....ANYTHING race maybe we could drum up some promotion propaganda:D:D:D
Tom keep after it, we all need to be @ DRAGFEST (Drag Race at Famoso:rolleyes:) the first of May!

[Old6rodder]

Glad he had fun, definitely "in the spirit". :D
His first run ever was a 16? :cool:
Russ, I don't think you get to be noisy just yet. After all, it did take you four runs to squeeze out that 15. :rolleyes: :D 'Course that's mostly my fault for not getting those SUs right yet. :o
Methinks Mr. 'Shifter may do it second time around. :cool:


Rocky, you're going to have the carbs on for the final, yes?
Also, you're right about the water & street treads, they don't mix at all. The last run I made last time out I did a wet burnout just for fun but it knocked around half a sec off the run as the tires turned rather than biting for most of first. Must've brought some of the water along for the ride. You can just hear it in that video too.

Good on you for the cards too, I'll try to do something like that as well for the final. If you have a scanner would you send me a picture of your card? I may try something similar.

ps. You get any pictures of you in the car? :D

[Racer Ralph]

Dick, Royal' had a GREAT time and did Fantastic for his 1st run EVER at a Drag Strip. I love the action of having to shift a real trans, jurys out until the Finals in 2 wks on any performance gain, probably gave out (or lost) about 50 cards and the ANRA Booth was right in the middle of the Midway. Butch said he talk to Russ that's why I thru in the "Trash Talk", if we had race cams, tires, pistons, carbs.....ANYTHING race maybe we could drum up some promotion propaganda:D:D:D
Tom keep after it, we all need to be @ DRAGFEST (Drag Race at Famoso:rolleyes:) the first of May!


Rocky saw it in the ANRA booth lots of old guys looking it over saying that they could build one like it with just the stuff they have in thier shops.
Wish it was there on Sunday I wanted to show it to some more racer want abee's.
Trying to get them to come out to the ANRA race in two weeks you will have it there RIGHT? Any ideal what the Schedule is?
See you there.
Ralph

[Toymaker]

Ralph, Sorry I missed ya on Sunday but we will be at the ANRA Finals Saturday and Sunday with the HA/GR, come by and say hey. Dick, the Mrs. failed to get a photo of me stuffed in the car with all that was going on, it was just her and I. I am going to leave the single carb for now and see if we get any gains from the tranny change. See ya in 2 weeks! Rocky
http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr84/Toymaker1/HAGR028.jpg

[Racer Ralph]

Ralph, Sorry I missed ya on Sunday but we will be at the ANRA Finals Saturday and Sunday (schedule below) with the HA/GR, come by and say hey. Dick, the Mrs. failed to get a photo of me stuffed in the car with all that was going on, it was just her and I. I am going to leave the single carb for now and see if we get any gains from the tranny change. See ya in 2 weeks! Rocky

COOL poster when will we see your car on one? See you there.

[Toymaker]

Here's a photo of me without my helmet, scary huh:D, when I put on the helmet I had to 'scoot' down some more putting my knees even higher.......... Lee & Skip fit perfect!

[nexxussian]

Daaaayyyyyuuuuumm, road rage in the staging lanes??:eek::D



Okay, where'd the 'hang up & drive' post go?:confused:

[64 DODGE 440]

Haven't they passed the "No Cell Phones in the staging lanes" law yet?

No wonder you ran the 15.88.:D

Next time you need to build the car to fit your body.:cool:

[Toymaker]

Haven't they passed the "No Cell Phones in the staging lanes" law yet?

No wonder you ran the 15.88.:D

Next time you need to build the car to fit your body.:cool:
Next time I'll fit, the car will have TWO engines and a Blue Tooth:D:D:D:D. All kidding aside I enjoy watching Lee drive the car more than I do driving it.

[64 DODGE 440]

Next time I'll fit, the car will have TWO engines and a Blue Tooth:D:D:D:D. All kidding aside I enjoy watching Lee drive the car more than I do driving it.

TWO ENGINES!! That's gonna be a long car with two of them sixes in there.:D

What's next, a four wheel drive car??

[Old6rodder]

Four slants, Ivo style. :D

Gotta watch that phone thing in the lanes, looks like the rest of'em done left you behind.
Can you hear me NOW?
:D

[chris55]

That car is awsome Rockey, great job. The only problem is, now I want to build one.

[64 DODGE 440]

That car is awsome Rockey, great job. The only problem is, now I want to build one.

So start building.:D

[vectorsolid]

I've been reading about the HA/GR stuff for about a day. This is one of the best build threads I've found, very helpful. Kudos to you. Beautiful work. I appreciate your efforts in getting it all posted. I've done a lot of build threads, and it's a thankless job. :)

I'm already eyeing a donor truck... ;)

[Toymaker]

I've been reading about the HA/GR stuff for about a day. This is one of the best build threads I've found, very helpful. Kudos to you. Beautiful work. I appreciate your efforts in getting it all posted. I've done a lot of build threads, and it's a thankless job. :)

I'm already eyeing a donor truck... ;)
Thanks Vector and goodluck with your build!

[vectorsolid]

If I missed it, I apologize. :)

How wide between the tubing in the cockpit? Looks "cozy". :D

Frame is a perfect rectangle?

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=442242&d=1210013923

[Toymaker]

Your right about "cozy", it's 19" between the rails and too keep it simple for body fab, etc. it is a perfect rectangle. This is my original drawing of the car, hope it helps. Rocky

[vectorsolid]

Your right about "cozy", it's 19" between the rails and too keep it simple for body fab, etc. it is a perfect rectangle. This is my original drawing of the car, hope it helps. Rocky

If you were to build another, what width would you shoot for between the frame rails? And just to toss this in there, I'm personally leaning toward 24" between. Or a maximum of 28" at the back and tapering to about 16 at the front.

[Toymaker]

If you were to build another, what width would you shoot for between the frame rails? And just to toss this in there, I'm personally leaning toward 24" between. Or a maximum of 28" at the back and tapering to about 16 at the front.
I would probably go 22 - 24" ID IF I built another:D I finally snapped a couple shots of the completed drivers compartment.........I didn't think it was that dirty, Rocky

[vectorsolid]

Appreciate the pics.

You know what's funny, I'm gonna be honest... not knowing the full rules yet, I thought the brake lever was... well... "hokey". turns out the NHRA guy I quizzed about the altered rules says, yep, that's how that's done. I'll be darned. :)

[64 DODGE 440]

Appreciate the pics.

You know what's funny, I'm gonna be honest... not knowing the full rules yet, I thought the brake lever was... well... "hokey". turns out the NHRA guy I quizzed about the altered rules says, yep, that's how that's done. I'll be darned. :)

The hand brake allows on foot on the gas and one foot on the clutch when staged so you don't need to worry about rolling out of the lights.

There seems to be those who prefer a "pull" lever and those who prefer "push". Take your pick on that aspect or research the reasons and choose on that research.

I like the pull as I feel that the "G-force power assist" could lead to an inadvertent lock up in the shutoff area. Some prefer that assist, or just like to push rather than pull. I've looked an many of the best cars out there and seen both configurations, so it must just be a driver's preference thing.

[Joe Hamby]

Hi Vector, I left the left emergency brake cable on the rear, I have the clutch on the left, brake on the right and to the right of that is my throttle. With the brake cable on a lever on the left side for staging. It is set up just like that blue chevy pickup. The reason for this is in a bad problem, I can't see me turning loose of the steering wheel to grab a hand brake. I have too many years driving this way to change now, I want it to all be natural in a bind. I use a ratchet style of posi. in the rear end, it also should be safer if I get sideways it should come out of that easier. In an earlier thread you probaly saw where Rand Man said that he wants a foot brake. And that pickup would look great pulling a HA/GR in the same color. After all a toy should be bright. Joe

[Toymaker]

The three speed has Lee him smiling EAR TO EAR, no more was he along for the ride counting stones along the retaining wall, he is BANGING GEARS! The manual trans improved his reaction time over the stock auto and the car ran a BEST of 14.65 (.55 seconds quicker than the stock C4), breaking out:( by .010 in the FINALS:D. The interest in the cars is awesome, from what Old6' and I can tell we think there may be 7 or more cars by DRAGFEST:cool: Check out the "Match Race" photo:D, Rocky
http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr84/Toymaker1/anraoct015.jpg

[Old6rodder]

Thanks for the photo Rocky,

Do you have some more? All I remembered to take were some stills in the pits.

[vectorsolid]

The hand brake allows on foot on the gas and one foot on the clutch when staged so you don't need to worry about rolling out of the lights.

There seems to be those who prefer a "pull" lever and those who prefer "push". Take your pick on that aspect or research the reasons and choose on that research.

We call 'em a staging brake. If you don't get handy at staging while pre-loading the clutch, you scatter driveline, usually axles (with the stuff we're racing). So you have to pull the e-brake and inch into the lights with it.

I'll be pretty comfortable with whatever it is we come up with. It should feel about the same. Other than being about 1/2 as fast as the manual tranny stuff I'm racing now... ...lol...

[64 DODGE 440]

We call 'em a staging brake. If you don't get handy at staging while pre-loading the clutch, you scatter driveline, usually axles (with the stuff we're racing). So you have to pull the e-brake and inch into the lights with it.

I'll be pretty comfortable with whatever it is we come up with. It should feel about the same. Other than being about 1/2 as fast as the manual tranny stuff I'm racing now... ...lol...

That's OK.......this is a pretty half fast group anyway.:p

[nexxussian]

Hal fAssed? You called? OH, (DOH):p:D.

[Toymaker]

Thanks for the photo Rocky,

Do you have some more? All I remembered to take were some stills in the pits.
That's the only good photo we captured on the track:(

[Old6rodder]

Figures, it's on YOUR side .............. :p

[Old6rodder]

I'm not sure but I do believe Lee's aging a bit here ........... :eek:
Must be tossing a lever's getting to'im.


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-1/1139091/original.jpg

Saw this one over on the ANRA board. :D

[64 DODGE 440]

That's a cool picture. Fits the era well.

And while we are at it, congratulations on the E/Gas win Rocky, that little Maverick does well!!

[Toymaker]

Thats cool Old6', I don't know how I missed that one! Tamara is going to check on having that done with the photo of Barn Job and Team TWIRL'N and I'll send you one. Thanks Tom, The Comet has been good to me and deserves paint :D
http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr84/Toymaker1/anrafinalshamb.jpg

[64 DODGE 440]

thats cool old6', i don't know how i missed that one! Tamara is going to check on having that done with the photo of barn job and team twirl'n and i'll send you one. Thanks tom, the comet has been good to me and deserves paint :d

Candy Apple Red!! :D

[64 DODGE 440]

Hey Rocky.......Makin' any holes??:p

[Toymaker]

Hey Rocky.......Makin' any holes??:p
No, I need to get after it:D Going to paint the Comet this winter also:eek:
Tonight were working on a truck for a Christmas Parade.........Lookout Old6':rolleyes:

[leeberz]

parade was fun pop we might have to start building floats HAHAHA maybe for the ol rose parade and we could have a slow race with old6:D:D dragfest here we come

[Toymaker]

Check out the DragFest video http://www.randkdragfest.com/main.php Pretty COOL & includes some shots of Team TWIRL'N s HA/GR

[Mr. Mac]

Damn! That looks cool.I've raced at Famoso a couple of times and I love that place.Your HA/GR car is lookin good.

[2b-banjo]

That is a really neat video!!!! HA/GR is cool in it!!! Would love to make that event!!!

[Toymaker]

That is a really neat video!!!! HA/GR is cool in it!!! Would love to make that event!!!
We would love to have you join us 2b:cool:

[Toymaker]

Well OK we Lee and I got after it this weekend. We cut the holes in the intake and positioned the carb mounting, I made some small supports since the Strombergs sit so high. I'm still undecided about how to weld the adapters to the cast iron head, I'm not taking it off. There are some low temp brazing/soldering products I might try:confused: I can't wait to get these carbs figured out and see how they wake up the old 144 CI Ford:D
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Marked the position close to the front and rear since we're only running 2 carbs
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Cut the holes with a hole saw using a vacuum as we drilled (not shown)
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Comedian:D
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3 Generations on this project
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The supports I made and a view of the fit
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Damn they look good!
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I don't know if Lee will be able to see over them:D

[mudflap261]

well thats just slicker than snot

[Old6rodder]

"Damn they look good!"


Damn, they look good! :D
Yep, right nice lookin' set o' jugs indeed. :cool:

A lot of the guys runnlng that built-in log used to make lower riser flanges to fit, tap it and then just bolt the carb risers on with a hand made gasket.

[jeff/21]

the inboard boat racers around use to remove the frost plugs at each end of the log and ream it out and then port the intake

[2b-banjo]

Now that really looks sweet!!!! (or as Mudflap says!!!!) Let us know how you end up attaching it & test results!!!

[2b-banjo]

Also keeps with the Old Time Look!!!! Alot sweeter looking that a 4 barrel!!!

[64 DODGE 440]

Cool mod Rocky!!:D

Now that you have a holesaw.......

Knew some sports car racers back in the '70s that put small formula cars together using "All State 11" torch rod, (I think that was the name, the old brain slips sometimes). I believe it was a silver bronze alloy. Low temp and strong as hell. They crashed one and the tube tore (stretched and bent first), but the joint survived. The stuff was supposed to have been developed in WWII for aircraft structures.

[ThingyM]

Rocky.. You think yours sets high, Wait till you see the two on my Chev manifold.. Your set up really looks cool...Be very careful obout getting anything in that manifold when welding it...

[Rand Man]

Inginuity in action!

[2b-banjo]

There is a Silicon Bronze rod for tig welding, that is low temp & super strong also, sticks to about anything. Make a super looking joint, probably close to what 64 Dodge is talking about for torch.

[Toymaker]

Thanks for the input guys, 2'day I'm gonna check on welding rod and fill my torch bottles.

[Toymaker]

Rocky.. You think yours sets high, Wait till you see the two on my Chev manifold.. Your set up really looks cool...Be very careful obout getting anything in that manifold when welding it...
AWWWW it's just a Ford:D:D:D

[Toymaker]

Cool mod Rocky!!:D

Now that you have a holesaw.......

Knew some sports car racers back in the '70s that put small formula cars together using "All State 11" torch rod, (I think that was the name, the old brain slips sometimes). I believe it was a silver bronze alloy. Low temp and strong as hell. They crashed one and the tube tore (stretched and bent first), but the joint survived. The stuff was supposed to have been developed in WWII for aircraft structures.
Thanks Tom, Notice the holes on support brackets:cool:

[Toymaker]

"Damn they look good!"


Damn, they look good! :D
Yep, right nice lookin' set o' jugs indeed. :cool:

A lot of the guys runnlng that built-in log used to make lower riser flanges to fit, tap it and then just bolt the carb risers on with a hand made gasket.
That was an idea but the hole was going to be awfully small. I know you guys would of liked the old 144 Ford restricted :D

[64 DODGE 440]

Thanks Tom, Notice the holes on support brackets:cool:

Saw that. Looks like you are starting to figure it out.:D

[CrkInsp]

Nice.. I've seen those heads ported by useing a hole saw to open the manifold by cutting holes across from the ports to gain access to them. Ported. Then putting the pieces back to close the holes. Worked like a champ.

[Toymaker]

Well I welded them up 2night and I'm happy with the outcome. I learned a couple of things though, CLEAN, CLEAN, CLEAN and when you think it's clean enough CLEAN it AGAIN! I should of filed all the areas I welded instead of grinding and I shouild of filed the area larger than I had. I used 3/32 Brazing rod and all went pretty well UNTIL I hit a contaminated spot and overheated the damn thing. O'well I can live with one small crack, JB Weld to the rescue :) I'll post photos 2morrow

[97]

Nice.. I've seen those heads ported by useing a hole saw to open the manifold by cutting holes across from the ports to gain access to them. Ported. Then putting the pieces back to close the holes. Worked like a champ.



I have seen the manifolds cut right off and stubs with flange welded in after porting so a new manifold(s) can be fabricated/fitted...

[64 DODGE 440]

Well I welded them up 2night and I'm happy with the outcome. I learned a couple of things though, CLEAN, CLEAN, CLEAN and when you think it's clean enough CLEAN it AGAIN! I should of filed all the areas I welded instead of grinding and I shouild of filed the area larger than I had. I used 3/32 Brazing rod and all went pretty well UNTIL I hit a contaminated spot and overheated the damn thing. O'well I can live with one small crack, JB Weld to the rescue :) I'll post photos 2morrow

AHH, Grasshopper....... you have seen the realization that one spot of crud can cause much painintheass.:cool:

Once you get it painted no one will know.

MORE HOLES ROCKY.......weight is your enemy.:D

[Joe Hamby]

144 in. All of this time I thought that you were running a 200 in. I was not aware that a 144 was still in production in 68. Ford even droped the 260 V8 in aug. 64. I do like to see more engine types used though. Keep up the good work, it looks great. Joe

[Toymaker]

144 in. All of this time I thought that you were running a 200 in. I was not aware that a 144 was still in production in 68. Ford even droped the 260 V8 in aug. 64. I do like to see more engine types used though. Keep up the good work, it looks great. Joe
Honest Joe it's a 144:rolleyes::D:D

[Old6rodder]

Brazing on cast iron is one of those things that seperates torch boys from mere welders. :cool:

[Toymaker]

WooHoo they are mounted, fuel lines plumbed and run great! They past the "Stomp Tune" test and we hope to get the throttle hooked up and make shake down passes in front of the house this weekend.
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[64 DODGE 440]

Looking good. Have fun waking up the neighbors.:D

[Rand Man]

That little 144 is a great example of what this class is all about.

[bob hindman]

Grasshopper.....looookimg dammmm gooooddd.....


Hiney...one of the hornets...

[348chevy]

Hey Rocky have you barked the baloneys yet with new twin carb setup?:DRoy

[Drewfus]

That little 144 is a great example of what this class is all about.

ditto....

One of 'our' oz cars has the same kinda build & engine, was the 'cheapest' of the lot to build, but is the most consistant, and reliable little sucker of all cars, maybe not the quickest, but a real example of what can be done with focussed passion and effort, letting nothing stand in his way from having 'a go'.

Cheers, and great to see,

Drewfus

[Toymaker]

Hey Rocky have you barked the baloneys yet with new twin carb setup?:DRoy
No Roy not yet, Bad weather and honey doo's have kept us off the street.

[Toymaker]

Well we finally got her out for a couple of runs and it seems stronger (probably wishful thinking :D) and doesn't miss, fart or bog. Soon as we can get to a test&tune we will! Rocky

[64 DODGE 440]

Cool, go fast and quick!!

[ThingyM]

Hey Rocky.. Go to my thread "Just another one" And tell me what you think of my Chev, Manifold.. Good or Bad...

[Toymaker]

Cool, go fast and quick!!
Thanks Tom the front end is coming off and getting the "Hole" treatment and I'm getting together the brgs to mount my wire wheel. I'm short on funds so it's time to lighten it up!

[Toymaker]

OK Tom this one's for you :D I finished drilling the axle and "ventilating" one wish bone. I still have some finish grinding to do on the wishbone which I'll let Lee do. Besides the axle and wishbone mods I also prepped my spindles and picked up the wheel brgs for my 16" Harley (I think) motorcycle wheels. The wheels have been modified to accept Timken brgs and are going to really lighten up the front end, Thanks Thingy'. I did some weight comparisons and came up with a 40 lb:eek: wieght savings. The axle shaved 1 lb:cool:, the wish bones 2 lb ea, but getting the F-1 spindles, hubs and steel wheels off really made a difference. Can you guys remind me what the wieght savings will equate too in HP? And one more question, The spindles I have are the style that has the thrust bearing in top. What do you guys think about not using it? I know I had an old JR Fuel chassis that I believe was only shimmed and didn't use the thrust bearing. I posted a photo with and without. I' fired up about DragFest and can't wait to get together with you guys again. Rocky
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[Old6rodder]

Damn, she's starting to look like a "SoCal car".

We also started with the mechanical brake spindles and shortened the kingpins, leaving only the lower spindle pivot and a washer to handle the load. It's working out just fine, and our front end has to suffer carying me ........... :eek:

Just don't remove any more connecting material from the lower pivot than you absolutely have to.


ps. I think the spoke tape needs to go all the way 'round the wheel to break the beams ......
:p

[Toymaker]

Wait 'til you hear the cards I'm runnin' in the spokes :D

[nexxussian]

Wait 'til you hear the cards I'm runnin' in the spokes :D


:D:D:D

That's funny!:D

[64 DODGE 440]

Cool progress Rocky. That axle looks great, you have six more holes in yours than I have in mine and the Harley wheels really set it off.

Like Dick said, we are going to have to make you an honorary SoCal guy.

Patti said to tell you it looks great too.

Make sure you use high quality cards...they have a better sound. You can get them from the local Casino.:D

[ThingyM]

Glad you got around to putting the spokes on.. It will not only lighten up the front end, But it sure will make it lookn like a REAL race car now..Lookin Good Buddy...NOW,,, How are you going to attach the wheelie bars..hehehe.....

BTW.. I never put the bearings on top.. You are only going 1/4 mi..

[nexxussian]

Do you put a shim in there or grind another locating groove in the kingpin and shorten it (so it doesn't stick out too far)?

Both?

[Toymaker]

Do you put a shim in there or grind another locating groove in the kingpin and shorten it (so it doesn't stick out too far)?

Both?

I have some thick valve spring shims that we will put between the axle and lower side of spindle, then use the thin OE King Pin Shims between the top of the axle and the upper side to acheive a proper clearence. All I needed was a second opinion, it was too late last night to call anyone:D Thanks again for the support guys! Rocky

[Toymaker]

Well I just got back from the March Meet and although we didn't get to run the HA/GR we had great interest. ANRA and 1320 The Magazine allowed us to display the car on the midway and we had fun talking the car up today. On the way back to the trailer we ran it over the scales and found the car weighs 1235 LBS without driver. Lee snapped some photos to bring the thread up to date, showing the completed front end with our 16" Harley wheels.
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[Old6rodder]

Oh man ........
That's looking really sharp, gentlemen. Good on ya.

Glad to hear they got the scales fixed, perhaps we can get an accurate weight on ours now.

[chris55]

Man that is just way to cool looking.

[64 DODGE 440]

Hot damn Rocky.......That thing looks great!!

[6ck Pony]

Wow, nice! ...no donut videos in that field? :cool:

[mudflap261]

my hats off to you. it is true dedication to spend the the weekend to promote these cars and not get to run . did they give you a reason why you could not run.looks like you have done afirst class job on your car.

[sgtlethargic]

Thanks for bringing your HA/GR to the March Meet. I eyeballed it and took pictures for later reference for my build.

Kurt

[bobw]

Rocky, Your car is very photogenic. Looks great in the field. Do you know what you would have to do to the car to run it at the March Meet?

[Mr. Mac]

Car looks great,you got the weight right now you just need a few more beans.For the eng.:D:D

[Toymaker]

Thanks guys for the compliments. Steve Gibbs said we could run the car in exhibition if time allowed, unfortunately there was not enough time. He did say something about bringing it to the California Hot rod Reunion, which we did last year without a hitch. I think if I would of made arrangements before the event we could of made a pass. Rocky

[Toymaker]

Thanks for bringing your HA/GR to the March Meet. I eyeballed it and took pictures for later reference for my build.

Kurt
Sorry I missed ya Kurt, look for us at DragFest. Rocky

[Hemibaker]

I really Like what you did with the fornt axel. That is a nice ride.

[Old6rodder]

My hat's off to you. It is true dedication to spend the whole weekend to promote these cars and not get to run.

Good on ya Rocky, how'd you do with the Comet?

By the way Rocky, if they want more than one car in order to do a HA/GR demo run at a show & tell let me know, we'd enjoy doing it.
We're not offended if they don't want a middie just yet though. Most folks know little to nothing about the middie builds of the early fifties (some've even thought the Barn Job a sham, and made the mistake of telling me :D ) so the Bug stylers are better promotion for the class.

ps. Now I just gotta do a couple "Rockyshot" low angles of ours. :D

[zombie]

here ya go old6rodder. marc gewertz shot this at dragfest last year. it looks like randy winkle will have 2 hambsters this year, and bruce cox is building one too. he is the guy that has the rainbow warrior 55 chevy gasser.

zombie

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u268/zombie72/hambrail.jpg