The deepest circle of hell is reserved for betrayers ...

[MrExotica]

A club is supposed to stick together, right? That's what I thought.
My wife & I used to belong to The Voodoo Kings, from outside Chicago.
We were at the Ducktail Run a week ago. I had just finished a character-building weekend of cold, rain, & 3 straight days of flamethrowing. (I even made it to the final round of the flamethrower competition!)
Anyway, the club caravanned everywhere. We were heading out of the park that Saturday night. My car was running like CRAP. I was afraid I broke something. (I was a little hard on 'er in the contest). I pulled over. ONE GUY pulled over with us. Everyone else continued to the Bed & Breakfast we stayed at. The guy who stopped is a stand-up guy, but he doesn't know a lot about mechanics. I'm no expert either.
After a while, one of the girls called on the cell to see if everything's OK. I said I DON'T KNOW. I pulled the dipstick & the oil was so thin, it had bubbles in it. In the dark, it was hard to see if it had water in it. It didn't. I pulled the plugs. They were blacker than black. I wire-brushed them, put them back in, & headed back to the B&B, running slightly less rough.
I was furious when we got back. I walked in, said nothing. At breakfast the next morning, I said nothing. When I was done, i told my wife I needed to head out to get new plugs & oil, hoping that was the fix.
The auto parts stores in Marion, IN don't open until 9 on Sunday. While looking for a parts store, I passed the caravan heading out of town without me. Now granted, we said we didn't want to leave right away on Sunday, but is it too much to ask for some support when we're having troubles? Twice?
We considered these people our close friends.
On Monday, I e-mailed the Voodoo Queen, quitting the club. She had no apologies. "I'm sorry you feel that way." She said that if we'd asked, they would have stopped. That shouldn't have been necessary. Any of my buddies in other clubs would have stopped without a second thought. On the generous side, she decided to refund our $50 each for Dickies work jackets with one color screen. Somebody's not making money under the table? In fact, the Voodoo King caravan pulled over on a busy freeway to help a friend who almost lost his cruiser skirt.
(By the way, we left Chicago at 4 am so as to get premium spots, which ended up being saved anyway.)
I showed up at their cruise night this past Saturday with the jackets. Nobody in the club said a word to me. They had one of the guys in the club do a little fire. Nobody asked me. Nobody from the CLUB asked me. My friends did, so I did. Nobody in the club even looked over. Larry (Pyro 52), the president & his side kick walked over & offered me $20 for my drag plate. OK. I was gone.
What a change from people who we once considered friends.
A quote fron a friend who offered us a spot as the first car in his scooter club applies : The deepest circle of hell is reserved for deserters & mutineers." Maybe they considered me a mutineer, since I was stealing a little of his flamethrowing spotlight. I've been called an asshole before. That's OK. Too bad he didn't have the balls to kick me out.

[Fat Hack]

Heck, my old car buddies and I never organized ourselves into any formal "club", but we ALWAYS ran out to Milan Dragway or Detroit in caravans. We never trailered our cars there, so we travled in a group just in case one of us had a problem. One guy lost a u-joint on the way home one afternoon and we fixed it on the roadside with crude hand tools and a joint bought from a store up the road. One guy made the parts run while the others stayed roadside with Tiny and his crippled Ford. Some deft hammer work got the remains of the old joint out and he was back on the road in under an hour.

The experience was actually FUN! We were all cracking jokes and having a good time on the shoulder of Telegraph Road that day! That's what real buddies DO!

[MrExotica]

Yup. The guy who stopped with us was in a parade with me & he broke a u-joint. During the parade! Another time, we were heading to a carshow & his car wouldn't shift, so he re-adjusted the linkage. The his fan started hitting the lower radiator hose. He took out his tin snips & trimmed the fan blades! It turned out he had a broken motor mount. Anyway, even he agreed there was no need to ask for help.

[John B]

<font color="red"> No One Gets Left Behind Or Forgotten </font> -Lilo &amp; Stitch 2002

[fab32]

Without going into details (its much too long a story) my wife and I found out who our REAL friends were a few years back. We were in the midst of a 3 1/2 yr. crisis which almost wiped us out financially, spiritually and phisically. During that time the dozens of people who had introduced me to everyone as their friend suddenly had nothing to do with us. Fortunately, 3 (THREE) people stuck by us and saw us through to the end. Guess who I refer to as "friend" after that eye opening ordeal? The circle sure got small when the chips were down. Be careful who you call your friends, it can bite you on the ass.

[38Chevy454]

I agree that doesn't say much good about your fellow club members. Maybe you are better off being without them, if that is how they treat others.

Just as a note for comparison. Last Friday while caravaning with the guys for the rattle can nats, I ran out of gas. I know it is my own stupidity, but that is not my point here. Point is that immediately several people all pulled over and asked what could be done. Several of these people I had only met that day or a few times before. Eventually we found a car with an empty gas can, and with a little siphoning, I was back on the road. This is an example of what should be done for your fellow hot rodders. These guys that stopped to offer help were not even club members, just a bunch of hot rodders out for a fun day of informal gathering and driving.

[29EHV8]

I woulda done the same thing.Club members are supposed to be brothers,some f%&amp;$ing family eh.The Voodoo Whodoos......Shiny

[G V Gordon]

It hurts to find out where you really stand with "friends" sometimes. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Elrod]

I know the feeling, MrExotica

[**DONOTDELETE**]

As long one member stops, the rest should
be able to continue. You should'nt bring down
the whole club you know, unless your some kind of
princess or something.

[modernbeat]

Like I said on the car painting thread:

I don't trust shops, I trust people.

Same goes for clubs. The people relationship comes first, the club relationship comes second.

And yes, the circle of real friends is usually very small. Myself, I have to admit that there are probally only 5 friends that would leave work, empty the bank account, and drive across states if I needed them to. And I'd do the same for those 5 guys and their families. And they're not all car guys. They're just the people that are important to me, and the 5 guys whos opinions of me matter to me.

Anyway, this weekend one of the guys in my circle thew the fan off his bone-stock '39 Sedan (even the good black paint is original) through the radiator while driving back to Houston from the Dallas area GoodGuys show. He called another fellow in my circle that lives in Dallas to fetch a trailer or tow-dolly and come pick him up. The helper left a Sunday breakfast with his wife and friends to quickly aid the broken down friend.

I think we all view it as a great oppertunity to provide aid and to be problem solvers. Makes us look good, and feel good and sets an example for others that this is the behavior that we expect from others. We're probally perverts about it, but so be it. Man is NOT an island.

[4t64rd]

I'll be in a car club as long as...

I never have to get dirty.
I never have to get wet.
I never have to help another member who breaks down on a run.
I never have to wait for another club member.
I never get ticked off at the other members.

[InPrimer]

My old man told me this a long time ago.. if you can count all your true friends in a lifetime on one hand, you're a very lucky man...........

[Nappy]

Let's see- you were being the big man constantly showin off your flames all weekend and didn't think about the unburned gas in your engine or your car subsequently running like shit?
Too bad for you. Seems that you created your own problem.
No sympathy here. Wanna join a club with roadside assistance? Try AAA.

~ Rob

[Johnny Ace]

We have recieved the kind of help that can really make a difference from two sources in the last few years....one of these people was a King of Kings, a Man among men......the other bunch has been HERE....considerations ranging from discounted services/ materials to disaster aid to the following example...A couple weeks ago our fuel pump went out in Houston during evening rush hour....sputtered to a stop and called a good HAMB buddy(won't embarrass him here) who had just put in a full day at his shop and was getting a bite for dinner with his lovely wife...they were going out that night,(they both work hard,hardly see each other)BUT said hang out for awhile..I'LL BE RIGHT THERE....sure enough,he brought us HIS garage truck to drive home (100 miles away) and took our truck to his shop for the repairs (lotsa problems)...
He and his wife showed up smiling and made us feel less like a problem LOAD than I already felt....

[seldom scene]

Do you know what a squirrel is? You can spot them by their flame throwers. Birds of a feather flock together.

[FrameDragger]

As a couple of the previous threads alluded, I took a baseball sized chunk out of my cast oil pan about 40 miles outside of Bakersfield on the way up to the rattle can on Thursday. Not only did the whole caravan stop and help, but other hambers (I know for sure Rickyracer and Zibo) stopped and offered tools, etc... I would definitely do the same for any of them... That sort of expectation makes it almost reasonable to drive an 80+ year old car on a 500+ mile trip...

M-

[Ichoptop]

don't be down on the car club thing. You just need to find the right club. I can call any of my guys from 200 miles away at 2 in the morning on a tuesday and will be sure that they will be there when I need them. It wasn't always like this but after dumping the dead weight (which cut our numbers in half) I can honestly say we have gotten more done (i.e. cars built) in the last 3 months than the last two years. Safe the drama for the soap operas and get your 3 good buddies into the garage and get some shit put together.

[MrExotica]

I know a couple guys in a club here who've treated me better than the Voodoo Chickens ever did. Too bad they're also friends with the Voodoo Chickens. If I knew then what I know now...

By the way, I appreciate the (mostly)support. I wasn't looking for pity - I just wanted to vent. Seeing what I thought was a friendship blow up was disappointing. The HAMB should have a club! All the HAMBers I've met in person have been great folks.

[KCsledz]

[ QUOTE ]
Let's see- you were being the big man constantly showin off your flames all weekend and didn't think about the unburned gas in your engine or your car subsequently running like shit?
Too bad for you. Seems that you created your own problem.
No sympathy here. Wanna join a club with roadside assistance? Try AAA.

~ Rob








[/ QUOTE ]


DId you forget the part that he was in a contest? Or that he might just of been havin some fun? I hope the people who you think are your friends SHIT on you when you need a bit of help! Learn the difference between empathy and sympathy!

Someone gets shit on by people who he thinks would be there to help him out and you say SUCKS TO BE YOU. Thats just being mean man.

[MrExotica]

Nappy &amp; Seldom,
The Voodoo Chicken president is also a flamethrower &amp; knows exactly what it's like to
break a motor doing the fire.
But my dad agrees with you guys about the fire. I might just cool it for a while, except I have the need to show up PYRO52 whenever possible!

[KIRK!]

Things are the same all over. In my opinion clubs should be a group of guys who have already been hanging out together anyway. When it becomes just a club it's days are numbered if you are looking for a trustworthy group of friends. It has taken me WAY too long to realize this.

[MrExotica]

Billetproof, I assume you associated with the show? I will be there when I trust my 56 for the trip!

[Byron Crump]

[ QUOTE ]
I know the feeling, MrExotica

[/ QUOTE ]


Hmmmm, really...how is that?

[seldom scene]

my neighbor has 3 yard gnomes, should I get 5 "to show him up"? your dad is right! He must be from old school or west coast where only jerks with no skills or ability put spark plugs in their pipe(s), usually had only 1, to attract attention, all they ever attracted were cops and newspaper reporters who blamed their behavior on hot rodders. The ORIGINAL car clubs were formed to combat the bad reputation and troubles brought on by these squirrels with flame throwers. Now do ya wanna know how I really feel? Who gives a shit!

[Nappy]

Gotten help before and appreciated it. Never EXPECTED it. Johnnylonghair got black lung following me to Philly in the first trip in my Buick just to make sure I made it there. Again, appreciated the Hell outta that.
Just saying that it's one thing to help in an unanticipated roadside breakdown.
But needing plugs cleaned and new oil due to shooting flames for 3 days doesn't constitute an emergency in my book.
Not to bust your balls, Exotica, just throwing in my 2 cents.
I personally don't wanna stop and help someone with a routine tune-up. Guess you'll know next time to pack some oil &amp; extra plugs. Live and learn, but the problem really was your own doing.
If the car club guys saw the black smoke out the exhaust after the weekend of flames, perhaps they felt the same way?

Like this- you see a guy speeding by way too fast in the snow/ice and 2 miles down the road he's wiped out along the road? Do you stop &amp; help push him out, or shake your head at the dumbass for driving way too fast to begin with &amp; let him call AAA?
Maybe I'm just a cynical bastard.
~ Rob

[colorado51]

[ QUOTE ]
Ichoptop wrote: don't be down on the car club thing. You just need to find the right club. I can call any of my guys from 200 miles away at 2 in the morning on a tuesday and will be sure that they will be there when I need them.

[/ QUOTE ]

Hell, Ive been to Chops house to help try to figure out a carb problem, and he`s been to my house to help put my transmission in....and Im NOT EVEN IN his club...yet. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Tuck]

I think clubs suck...
seriously...
I got in with this "club" that I thought was supposed to be a group of friends all interested in the same thing... but politics got in the way... along with EGO's. Pomps and big ass CUFFS... fuck all of that.

I dont care about the clubs... I care about my intrests in cars and my friends, TRUE FRIENDS. I know who they are. Some of them are'nt into cars at all.

I have more fun in my shop building by myself than I do going to shows and drinking beer with big EGO's

Now... there are clubs out there I like... say the TOPPERS for example. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Hellfish]

[ QUOTE ]
As long one member stops, the rest should
be able to continue.

[/ QUOTE ]

agreed, within reason. Mr. E's point was that only one guy syopped to see if he needed help. They all had cell phones and no one even called. What if the one guy that stopped couldn't help? Helping each other out and having a good time is what clubs SHOULD be about.

[ QUOTE ]
Let's see- you were being the big man constantly showin off your flames all weekend and didn't think about the unburned gas in your engine or your car subsequently running like shit?


[/ QUOTE ]

another point missed. regardless of why the car was running poorly, the guys that are SUPPOSED to support him, didn't. I think all the guys in that club run flame throwers. Mr E knows the risks and is prepared to handle the consquences, but everyone needs help from their friends. You expect that kind of support from your friends.

Tony, you know you can always caravan with the Czars when you want to... on the rare occassion when we have any cars running!

joe

[2tall2beahotrodder]

I could use a car club.

[Travis]

Funny.

Even though I don't have the HELLFIRE(tm), a couple of them stopped and saved my ass a while back. I try to return the favor when I can... Like the time I found this sweet 62 Impala SS stranded on the median of 680 North by Pleasanton. Turns out that this... Uhhh... what was the word used previously... DUMBASS? had no jack. Naturally I was happy to break out my floor jack and help him out.

I think it doesn't matter if you are in a club, you circlejerk with you yourself and thou, or you're just a HAMBer... you gotta at least TRY. I do believe that what you do for others is returned tenfold to you.

By the way... I love that NO CLUB plaque. I think it's the first one I've seen that I like. Is there a way I can get one?

Travis

[continentaljohn]

Well I have to say I stop, for ANY old cars,bikes or old folks!!!!! I don't care if there's two other cars stopped. But someone I know, HELL YES!! I FRICKEN STOP!!!
I know leaving the Cheaters show ,I was gonna cruz home alone, not a long ride just a few hours . Nummnut reminded me my car stalled on the way up, told me he would follow me home just in case. I told him to stay and I'm cool, I know he planned on staying.. No shit I broke down and needed help. No club just a good freind, I wasn't even broken down!! Bill a few other guy wanted to see if everything was cool before I left the show.. What goes around, comes around.

[nummnut]

Mr. Exotica, Fuck all them guys!! I knew they were a bunch of idiots anyway. Hang with us at the pileup, only on one condition, you need to get rid of the sideburns and get a good pair of Levis, a nice t-shrt and some sandals!!! Then we will talk!!!!!!! And if you do end up riding with us and you brake down continentaljohn has triple A. Get in touch with me if you like.

[continentaljohn]

Hey Bill what's AAA stand for?? Three asses pushing a rod down the road or the meeting we will be hitting after the pile-up http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[nummnut]

good one john

[Jive-Bomber]

The only way clubs work is when you are actually all real friends anyway.
If you wouldn't like that person without the club, then they probably aren't a real friend anyway. Also, look out for club "president"s. The guy who wants to do everything his way or the highway... Thats the beginning of the end!

Recap:
1. Keep it friends
2. Don't let one guy run the show
3. If they are jerks in the club, they are probably just jerks period.
4. You actually don't need to be in a club anyway... Unless they have really cool jackets. (kidding)

jay

[Tim]

H.A.C.K. is enuff of a club for me.

a long while back some one said something about having HAMB panic flags, like you could fly it if you got stranded on the freeway. and we all kinda came to the consisus that what the hell does it matter what club your in if a guys on the side of the road pull over and help.

next time it could be you sitting there goin why the fuck wont any of those ass holes pull over!?!

karmas a bitch lol

tim

[porknbeaner]

I'm not much of a joiner. That's not to say I've never belonged to a club, or don't.

A couple of years ago a big auto orginazation gave me a membership. I have no clue why, but I'm still a member, and I still hang on the fringes. The thing is so big that there is really no way to know anyone.

I guess the closest thing to a real car club I've belonged to in a long time is this board.

The only real car club I ever belonged to was the Cam Busters when I was in High School. It was impossable to get into and easy to get out of. The #1 rule was never leave a Bro Stranded.

Once I was cruising with the wife in Eastern OR and lost a U-Joint. I had no tools ...and called one of the older guys (collect). Explained my situation, he said how much money ya got. I said 7.00 and a 1/4 tank of gas. He said ya better go get a burger, you're gonna be there awhile. I was bummed.

2 hrs later, I heard a rumbel, and soon a familiar site. It was getting dark, and I could just make out the worlds lowest '59 Impala. I asked what he was doing there? He smiled and said you called, didn't you? Of course I got the lecture about the tool box (never leave home without it), and never leave anyone stranded (even if you don't like 'em).

I think that's rare these days. But I still can't get past never leaving anyone stranded.

Friends are hard to come by Bro, but they're there. I'm sorry it went to shit for ya, but you'll find the real deal. Just hang loose.

by the way, there is a real place in hell for those who aren't for real.

if it don't make ya dirty it aint yours. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Germ]

TRAVIS.
I saved you because I like you and respect you, and I know your situation...
I would HELP you anytime,,, IT WAS HELLFIRES PLEASURE to STOP FOR you

I'm a HONORARY member of tons of clubs, I wear their SHIT and we all laugh...

other then that if i ever get into a CLUB and they MAKE me wear a COAT.. I'm cutting the SLEEVES of of it, and DRAWING a SWASTIKA on the FRONT POCKET......

"IM TRYING OUT FOR THE "SINNERS" as soon as I think I have become a MAN..........

[oddrod]

i belong to the SWANX and consider each member family. we help each other unconditionally at every level. not just cars but helping work on houses, going to see music, moral support when some one is down. i work on karma, i don't do anything with expectations of reward. i stop for anyone who looks like they need help no matter who or where. life is too short to sweat the little things. if the guys dogged you that's rong but what goes around comes around. rest assured that if you were intentionally ignored that person will be in your shoes. not for nothing but there is also the theory that they didn't want you in the club and this was one way to piss you off and make you quit? now you know who will stick by you, and it sounds like a pretty cheap way of finding out. what if you had serious problems and no one stopped. if this pisses you off alot confront them, get it off your chest and move on. good luck, stevo

[katzenhammer]

Yeah Jive Bomber hit it right on the head. I too was in the same situation with a group of friends that I had grown up with my whole life. Then a new member thought it would be best for him to take it over and to better himself by creating his own club using our name. One guy who thought he had to be the center of attention so that every one would bow down and worship him ruined the club that we as close friends had maintained for years.
However even through this I don't think the idea of a Car Club is a bad thing. I have just learned to stick with the friends that have always been friends and aren't looking to better themselves over the other members.

Justin

[Tuck]

yeah justin ya gotta watch for the guys that crys Im sickboynumberone http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif air your laundry on the line fag...

[gregg]

We tried to warn you,Tony. You forgot to mention the prez of the club that passed you by is also a HAMBer.

[katzenhammer]

ooo that hurt. maybe you might want to step back and reevalute what you are gettin into. You are not worth my time Jeff. Seriously why don't you stop the little Internet game of trying to bad mouth me,, take off the panties and come over and settle this. Christ I live less then 10 blocks away from you and all you can do is call me names over the internet? Or wait I guess if gotta hide just keep up your little games.

Justin

[exotic]

Nappy those two cents you threw in should have been spent on re-reading your 2nd post because what I got from it was Jonnylonghair had to follow your candy ass all the way to philly!
And dann galucci, I guess when you got your shit in a trailer you really don't have to give a shit do ya!
And now on to seldom scene whats the matter little guy Boyd Coddington wont let you put flame trowers on the show car he built ya!?!? Now Do You Wanna Know How I Feel!!! SHUT THE F#$K UP!!!!!!!!!!!
MrExotica that club sucks ass! I had the great opportunity to be invited to the lizard roast hosted by the Road Rockets here in Texas.
They gave me a place to stay, food and drink, entertainment in the form of live bands!
And hear this! It was FREE for me and about 300 people that showed for the most bad ass get together I have ever seen!
Not to mention a posse assembled to come help me when I broke down! So MrExotica leave that Voodoo club to the three asses prior mentioned in the post!AAA

[Germ]

ANY CAR CLUBS that still like to FIST FIGHT,, the "WRECKTUMS" are always down.........

You guys are LIKE BITCHES, back and forth on the INTERNET,,,

your CLUBS sound GAY,,,

HOT ROD CLUBS are BUILD on SLUTS and BEER, and REBELLION...

Not POLITICS,,,

Can I comb your HAIR??
PRESIDENTS??

That SOUNDS FAGGY as HELL, to BE the PRESIDENT...

hahahahaah

[Germ]

Is the "PRESIDENT" the guy who has the BEST jeans?
or is the PRESIDENT the GUY who makes the CHOICES...

Man after rereading this again..
I have figured out that you GUYS are a NETWORK of a COLLECTIVE of GAYS...... who seem to be crying about all the REASONS your "CAR CLUBS" SUCK......

WHERES the PRESIDENT.. ???? I would guess thats the GUY who will tell me I can't cut off the SLEAVES of MY WOOL JACKET....

Do you GUYS have MATCHING TATTOOES???

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Just don't fuck with the Wongs.

[Fat Hack]

"Say, Romeo....what about your promise to the He-man Woman Haters Club?"

"I'm sorry, Spanky...I have to live my own life!"

[**DONOTDELETE**]

See what you get when you mess with the ORPHANS!!

[Germ]

THE ORPHANS.....

THE DUCKY BOYS

[VolksRodder]

[ QUOTE ]
H.A.C.K. is enuff of a club for me.

a long while back some one said something about having HAMB panic flags, like you could fly it if you got stranded on the freeway.

[/ QUOTE ]

Tim, I threw one together and posted it last year sometime. Is this the one you're talking about? http://smilies.jeeptalk.org/contrib/sally/lol.gif

[Germ]

maybe you guys could make up a club called,,,
THE ROCKABILLYS

[desertdroog]

Unless you have a group of close tight nit freinds involved with cars, then what is the point?

Clubs are for baby seals... Not cars!

[**DONOTDELETE**]

both these guys have T Timers plates in their windows

[MoFoMOD]

you guys need to stop typing, walk 10 blocks and either give each other a big faggy kiss or start punching each other's lights out... but enough of your lame club soap opera on the inter-web

[**DONOTDELETE**]

How well did ou know these guys?? I would never join a club unless they were like brothers to me http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Machinos]

Both times I've broken down I've had tons of strangers come and help me. The last time, I'd already gotten a ride to the nearest town and BACK to my car. While I was waiting for a tow truck, four people pulled over (and this was on the freeway, mind you, 70mph+ traffic) and asked if I needed help. That's four people, not just one, and they weren't fellow members of any CAR club, and we weren't driving together.

As for the people trying to justify that club's behavior with "he should've known better than to blahblahblah", what does that have to do with anything? For all they knew he could've blown his transmission or any of dozens of other possible problems.

If the other club members actually post here, you really oughta post your sides of the story because as it is you're clearly the bad guys here.

[Luke Jivetalker]

"As for the people trying to justify that club's behavior with "he should've known better than to blahblahblah", what does that have to do with anything? For all they knew he could've blown his transmission or any of dozens of other possible problems"
oorrrrrr just pulled over to find his phone, light a smoke, grab a quick tug, sounds to me like this guy WANTED to quit the club but didn't have the balls to do it without making a scene and making the other guys in the club look like asses, take your licks, SHUT IT! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[seldom scene]

Hey exotic..who the fuck do you think you are? I didn't see no introduction from you. You jealous assholes who think everyone in Calif is Boyd Cottington prove just what you are a Bunch of immature POSERS who don't know shit, and don't know that they don't know it. As far as little guy goes I'm 6'4" wanna take me on? You'll find out what O G means. I built my car it's the real deal. What do you drive? Probably a skateboard..Get the procedure right (ask someone) before you start showing what an ignorant poser you are.

[seldom scene]

Hey exotic I ain't done with you yet. Exotic what are you ? a stripper in a gay bar? An exotic dancer? Or just another dirt farmer? You are from texas you outa know about the bull, you fuck with it and you get the horn up your ass what kinda dance do you do with the horn up your ass? do your gay friends put dollar bills in your little panties? Go away and grow up before you post on the hamb. You would be much happier at poser.com.

[slazzen]

I love the movie the warriors now I get to read the HAMB version this is a riot

[Ron]

[ QUOTE ]
You forgot to mention the prez of the club that passed you by is also a HAMBer.

[/ QUOTE ]

Sorta!

[candyman]

What ever happend to hotrod clubs being about hotrods? You guys are being queer.

[redmeat]

<font color="red"> THATS what I love about the COFFINS .....NO PRESIDENT.....we are allPRESIDENTE!!......NO POLITICS ......JUST A BUNCH OF DUDES WITH A COMMON THREAD......cool ass cars!!!!!

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[Deyomatic]

About a month ago I was heading a couple hours north to Prescott and was stuck in traffic from an accident on I-17 about 40 miles north of civilization. As soon as the traffic started again I crest a hill and see a 1958 Chevy Pickup on the side of the road, it was a Street Rod al the way, from the painted bumpers to the tweed interior. Well, I was in my Mistubishi, but I still pulled over and lent a hand for about 45 mins, offered up some tools and gave them a hand where they wanted. I think I could have done it quicker myself, but the got it taken care of. It seems the old timer had his fuel pump shit out on him (SBC) so his son brought one up for him. He was having a hell of a time getting the little pushrod to stay put.

Your buddies should have stopped.

[Mai Ki-Ki]

"WHEN WILL PEOPLE LEARN DEMOCRACY JUST DOESN'T WERK"

A Club member is someone who helps you when you've just puked in you hat.

Maiki (drunkt)

[gregg]

I hear you,Mr. If you substitute friend for club member it really hits hard. Especially when you're stranded 250 miles from home. I'm pretty sure there are more ex-members than members now. BTW, I PM'd ya.

[Chuck Fish]

Personally,if I can't go on a run or trip properly equiped(that reads..enough cash,enough tools)I won't drive my truck(36 Ford p.u. with a flat motor)
I also feel that,I would'nt want to be a member of any organization or club,other than the NRA,that would have me as a member.

What it really boils down to, is that you have a few close,and I mean CLOSE friend in this world,and the rest are just people you know.

Just my 2 cents

Chuck Fish

[beatnik]

Chuck said it all


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What it really boils down to, is that you have a few close, and I mean CLOSE friend in this world, and the rest are just people you know.

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I have friends I have fun with and then I have friends I trust and depend on, you have to know who you can depend on way before you need to depend on them.

[porknbeaner]

Well,, http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif i'm glad we got that outa the way.

I don't know whether to f#*%, fight or have a foot race. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Its good to know that the whole club thing is alive and well. Maybe we should all find neutral ground, some zip guns, and knives... Whoever is left standing get the whole enchilada.

Who's Boy Cod'n'Ham anyway, and what's he got to do with being stranded on the side of the road?

I just didn't wanna be left out.

if it don't make ya dirty it aint yours http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Hellfish]

To me, a car club should be about cars and friends, not image or jackets. The Chrome Czars started as friends and if we stop being friends, there will be no more club. We've had problems, but we've worked them out because we're friends, first and foremost. We're always helping each other with our cars (because Lord knows they're never running!), but it's MORE than that... and I don't mean in a gay kind of way either http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif I mean, hell, these guys have helped me with far more than car problems, and I consider them some of my closest friends. I can rely on them for ANYTHING. To me, that's what a club should be about. Certainly you don't NEED to be in a club, but it's fun. You definitely do NOT need to be in a club to offer help to a fellow car guy, whether he's a street rodder or rat rodder. Hell, some of the other Czars and I were on our way to a swap meet and stopped to help some guy with a broken down RoadRunner. Not all clubs are like that, and that's fine. They have their place in the world, too. Mr. E's former club has some really great guys in it, so I won't bash them. Mr. E is a stand-up guy and I think what happened to him sucks. I think his decision to leave the club is justified, but I disagree with the public bashing.

[HotRodJosh]

Personally I would stop for any old car broken down on the road. Ive done it before. I always carry a battery booster in my trunk and Ive helped many a car with it. People I dont even know for that matter.

Some people are bashing the car club idea and thats not the point. Its fun to go places as a club. But the main idea of a club to to help your members with car problems. Its great if it works.

I was in essentally the same club years ago. And we had a falling out due to the actions of others in the club. I wont go into details, but Im not supprised with Mr. Exotica's story.

Tony, use this experience and this thread to see who your real friends are. Most of the Chicago guys are stand up guys and would want to be the first to jump to help you out. Others...Well, you found out who they are.




Ron--Your right about "Sorta" but he is enough of a HAMBer to have his art used in the calender, but not enough to see a thread all about his car.


Well thats just my thoughts on this....Take care.....


See everyone at the Pile-up....It should be interesting.... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Gr8ballsofir]

The idea of running with a group is so help is there if needed. If people start heading off on their own, what's the point of riding together in the first place? I've had to climb under members cars on the X-way and they've had to wait for me. Its part of the fun! I wouldn't be part of a club where members don't watch out for each other.

[Toqwik]

I have pretty much came to the conclusion car clubs suck !! I live in W V and there is only one car club in my area. Well, to be a member, you have to attend at least 2 meetings per month, and they meet on thur nites. I own a restaurant, and thur nite is busy for me, so I am at work. I'm not a retired fuck that has nothing to do with my time but talk about how great my car is, and how dumb I must be for spending 50 grand on a 15 grand car. I thought clubs were for people with shared interests in cars, not mandatory meetings, WTF....Toqwik

[MrExotica]

I have a primer black Ford with red steel wheels with a SBC crate motor done up like it was the billet 50's man. Is that the way youse guys build 'em in Cali? By the way, The Chicago Salt flats are NOT in Texas, they are in CHICAGO! And that's not in Texas...

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Hey exotic..who the fuck do you think you are? I didn't see no introduction from you. You jealous assholes who think everyone in Calif is Boyd Cottington prove just what you are a Bunch of immature POSERS who don't know shit, and don't know that they don't know it. As far as little guy goes I'm 6'4" wanna take me on? You'll find out what O G means. I built my car it's the real deal. What do you drive? Probably a skateboard..Get the procedure right (ask someone) before you start showing what an ignorant poser you are.

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[Hellfish]

Mr. Exotica, there is a NEW member calling himself "Exotic". Go back a few posts. That's what Seldom Scene's post was about.

Toqwik - sounds like the one club in your area sucks. Start your own club if you want to be in one! You don't have to have meetings. We don't. We just hang out together. If we're all there... and there's beer... and we're talking about cars.. then it's a meeting! I guess we do have a lot of meetings... It's all about FRIENDS and CARS. NO politics. Friends and cars first.

[MrExotica]

Nevermind...
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I have a primer black Ford with red steel wheels with a SBC crate motor done up like it was the billet 50's man. Is that the way youse guys build 'em in Cali? By the way, The Chicago Salt flats are NOT in Texas, they are in CHICAGO! And that's not in Texas...

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Hey exotic..who the fuck do you think you are? I didn't see no introduction from you. You jealous assholes who think everyone in Calif is Boyd Cottington prove just what you are a Bunch of immature POSERS who don't know shit, and don't know that they don't know it. As far as little guy goes I'm 6'4" wanna take me on? You'll find out what O G means. I built my car it's the real deal. What do you drive? Probably a skateboard..Get the procedure right (ask someone) before you start showing what an ignorant poser you are.

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[**DONOTDELETE**]

Okay, this is gettung to be ridiculous. First of all, Mr. E makes it sound like he was broke down on the side of the road, he was at the fair grounds. As soon as my wife saw him pull off, she called him, asked him if he needed help, he said no. Fine. We went back to the B&amp;B and waited a bit. We hopped into a car to go back to help him, saw him coming back and followed him. He never said a word. Mrs. E told everyone that they were not leaving with us. I am sorry, we're not mind readers, if he wanted help, he could have asked for it. No one asked him to quit the club. We called to check up, he never answered his phone. This whole thing is childish and should never have been between anyone else but the club. Mr E. didn't even have balls enough to call, he sends my wife an email. As far as Woodfire goes, he quit the club and was badmouthing us to mutual friends, what, are we supposed to run up and give him a hug. We gave him the money back for the jackets and the drag plate. We didn't want bad feelings, but obviously, that didn't work out that way. Sorry if you all think that our club is full of assholes, what a shame, you don't even know us. As far as I'm concerned, this whole thing was blown way out of proportion and now we've lost friends over it. No one ever said that they didn't want to be friends with the Exoticas.

p/s- not everyone in our club does flames, the ones who do know to change their oil after every "show" and to not do it to the point where the car is running like shit.

Just wanted to speak my mind and let you all know that there are two sides to every story.

[gregg]

We know you. So does Dave B,Snake,Big Don,Josh &amp; now MR E! Let's keep this off here, you got my #.

[Stovebolt]

Guys, this is not the place for "Petty" complaints to be aired. Geez its about hot rods.

It seems as though there as been a break down in communication somewhere along the way, and god knows maybe this thread and the leaving of the club could have been averted IF there was some communication between what may be loosley described as friends!!!

Now I say this as I too have had the experience of being on the unpleasant side of Car Clubs. Sure I was an arsehole when younger and having a skin full of beer - and didn't some of my club members let me have it. But I deserved it.

I've just spent a lengthy time discussing the old club days, with the people who put me back into my place, whilst we were all grieving over the loss of one of the club members.

I guess one of the things i'm trying to say is that once you are in a club you form a bond with all the other club members. Some bonds are stronger and more developed than others BUT you all share a common bond. It may not feel like you have this bond - but let me assure you - when the chips are really down, you will feel this bond and be thankful for it. Thats how it is for me right now, I've experienced the lasting bond between the club members that went thru me when I was a dickhead, and myself. It just needed different circumstances to make me realise this bond was there. i'd much prefer to have my friend alive and well - but there is always a silver lining to tragic events.

So take the time to vent things AS they happen not in the public forum we are all on now,....please?!

[Mike]

Freinds, fellow club members, etc. should stop and help each other when there's trouble.

However, whining about not getting help that you never asked for is infantile.

[MrExotica]

You guys are right.
I deserved SOME of the shit you guys gave me. I shouldn't have aired my dirty laundry here. I was, and still am, a hothead. I should have called Pyro. Pyro should have called me. We're both big boys now. It sounds like it was less his fault &amp; more somebody else's, but I'm not going to go back &amp; forth here. The truth is somewhere in between. It's over. All I want to do is to bury the hatchet.
I don't expect to or want to be friends, but as adults, we should be able to be in the same place at the same time without a conflict.
We owe that to our mutual friends.

[Reverendcolin]

Sorry I missed this soap opera the first time around. I guess this is why I've been a biker all my life. You get a different set of values. Of course the assholes that think they are bikers today are (I’ve already said it) ASSHOLES.

Old day’s car clubs were fun, a bunch of friends that were into making something faster or cooler. We hung around as a loose club for a couple years and then went our separate ways. Remember the 60’s??? Weren’t drugs good then?

I got back into the rod scene about 10 years ago. Went to a few shows and learned what real assholes were. Not like it was years ago. Lucky I still had my old crew and they all got back into cars too. We’ve met a bunch that was into old hot rods and “Mechanicville Satin Black” paint, actually an International Harvester Color.

Mr. Exotica, you stated you weren't a wrench, so what are you doing with a rod anyway. If you can’t take it apart and put it together in the dark you shouldn’t own it. I’ve always figured, if you weren’t a wrench you shouldn’t have a Harley. Of course that’s changed since the Evo motor, same thing with hot rods.

Sounds like you must have pissed the other members off, some how. Must have done something????

It makes no difference. They should have stopped to help. I stop to help most anyone that’s broke down. I always have as do most of my friends.

I remember many years ago. A friend and I were out getting faced. He got so drunk he shit his pants in the bar. What did I do? I called his wife to come and get him and took off. He smelled like shit. That's what friends are for.

[Germ]

CAR CLUBS are for FOLLOWERS,, "RULERS" walk alone......

[HAAS]

"CAR CLUBS are for FOLLOWERS,, "RULERS" walk alone......" Exactly

[MrExotica]

I think they thought the situation at the fairgrounds was less serious &amp; I thought it was more serious. Misunderstanding #1

We had been talking about leaving later than them all weekend. I assumed they'd wait, knowing my car was questionable. They misunderstood &amp; left. Misunderstanding #2

Regarding my tech background, I'm a bicycle mechanic by trade. I'm not a technical idiot. I do my best to do my own work on my car. So far, so good. At the fairgrounds, I freaked out, figuring my wife &amp; I would be stranded. I didn't know exactly was wrong. prepared with an We ended up being OK. I should have been prepared with oil &amp; plugs.

I'm not sorry for quitting the club. It was a long time coming. As I said before, I shouldn't have aired our laundry here. I AM sorry if I misled anybody. There are friends who still agree with me - there are friends who agree with Pyro. So it is.

Chicago is a big city, but our crowd is small enough that this is extremely awkward at best. I just hope we can deal with each other.

[crclebrner]

Hell has got circles??? Bummer!!

[magnet]

Clubs help me carry heavy shit.

Clubs are a bunch of LEADERS.. all moving in the same DIRECTION

[plan9]

gonna start a CC called "DRAMA QUEENS" (no pun to germs title)... thongs and stilleto heels are mandetory

[BARNETT]

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CAR CLUBS are for FOLLOWERS,, "RULERS" walk alone......


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Nothing like an inaccurate, broad sweeping, generalization. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[MrExotica]

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gonna start a CC called "DRAMA QUEENS" (no pun to germs title)... thongs and stilleto heels are mandetory

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i CAN'T WALK IN HEELS

[InPrimer]

I just wasted $15.00 at the CIRCUS, couda seen it here for free................

[Dirty Dug]

I thought this board was supposed to be about trad. rods and customs. This soap shit is rather off topic isn't it. Maybe Ryan should start a subtopic reserved just for snivelling.

[slacker_53]

Welcome to the real world, I suppose you still want mama to wipe your nose.

I don't DEPEND on anyone, of course you always appreciate the help, as well as I would always at least stop and ask if there is anything I can do to help, but you gotta fend for yourself.

I always pack tools, oil, gas can, antifreeze, and about anything else I think I may need (lawn chair, beer), just in case.......

Sounds like a discussion after recess in kindergarten, Stop whining!!!!!!

Flatheads forever http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Germ]

Why don't you give the YELLOW T-BUCKET back to BOBO the CLOWN??

[Chevy]

Just go out to the shed and build yourself a bridge... and GET OVER IT.

[Germ]

are those SUZUKI dirt bike SPOKES on the FRONT?
and A-TEAM van wheels on the rear??

there is Something about STEERING a CAR in the same POSITION and motion, you would OPEN a sewer VALVE with.
makes me think of being a PLUMBER.........

[tredboy]

Maybe you are better off being without them, if that is how they treat others.

how true. i thought half the fun of a show or run was the trip to the event. if there's trouble, and the trip takes a little longer, so be it. i myself belong to no club and have stopped to help someone on their way to the york, pa. show. i'm just that way.

oh, and to anonymus: hope someday YOU break down and NO ONE stops to help you. see if you still feel the same way!

[DrJ]

Ryan,
I vote for locking this and any-off topic thread (like eBay rants) as soon as it leaves "the top forty" the first time.
Thank you.

[rikaguilera]

Just my two cents. I am not in a club, don't want to be. I have a group of friends that I build, ride and cruise with. They will buy the beer just as will I. More fun this way. Always seem to be the same group of guys, but not a club by any means. Here is my definition:
A friend will help you move,, A GOOD friend will help you move a body. Those are the kind of guys I hang with. No jackets or secret hand shakes.
Those clubbies who left you were not friends, so make some that will help.
Oh, And Germ, I think you could hang with our little group anytime. Tell it like it is brother. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Kilroy]

The circles of hell are just a hoax...

Hicks from the midwest sneak down there with two-by-fours on their feet and....

Lock it now!!!

[Greezy]

Phil you got that all wrong...its from us jumping on our JD's with the drag on the back, getting drunk and passing out.

[Nads]

Mr. Exotica you're being a GIANT fag, get over it.

[slacker_53]

BOBO died, that's how I got it so cheap. Sorry if that was too harsh, I didn't know if you knew.......

[Django]

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Mr. Exotica you're being a GIANT fag, get over it.

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Actually he is over it. This thread is almost 1.5 months old. They will mend the fence in time. The involved parties have too many mutual friends to let this get out of hand.

I don't feel bad posting since it was at the top, but I agree, let this one die...