The HAMB and Political Correctness [Archive]

HOTRODPRIMER

12-16-2007, 08:36 AM

I have been a member of the hamb for a quite a while and have witnessed first hand the change to a kinder gentler HAMB,,,,

No zelous intro police,,,heck you don't even need to do an intro anymore.

But lately there seems to be a lot of post vanishing,,,,I have had several post deleted this past year,,,some were not on target,,,but that is seen every day,,,,

I haven't called anybody names or posted porn,,,I could understand that type of behavior being deleated,,

Today I was going to respond to a question ask an it too was ask last night and it had been deleated by a moderator ,,,

The same person ask again this morning what had happened to the post,,,it again was deleated.

Have we come so far and grown so big that with the stroke of a key a guy or gal is silenced if the powers that be deem it so ?

The HAMB is still the greatest car site out there,,,and this is just my opinion,,,but as of late if your opinion is not of the popular belief it WILL be deleated:confused:

This thread will probably be deleated also,,,HRP

D-Russ

12-16-2007, 08:47 AM

I've noticed some deleted threads lately too. In fact I've been posting a response while a thread was being deleted and thought my computer or internet connection had taken a dump or something. Is the HAMB getting too big?

tomslik

12-16-2007, 08:52 AM

yeah, i had an observation about a t-stat housing a couple of weeks ago go poof in the night......
of course it (the thread) coulda took a turn for the worse while i wasn't watching.....

Tman

12-16-2007, 08:53 AM

Those of us that have been here for a long time need to help keep the focus going. I have been guilty of piling on as well. Yes, the HAMB is bigger, gone are the days when a pic of a 4wd Camaro would lead to a 5 page thread....................maybe it WASNT better way back!?

Ayers Garage

12-16-2007, 08:55 AM

mazdaslam

12-16-2007, 09:03 AM

Has happened alot lately.I was looking for the "Jap truck frame" thread the other day.Seems that it has been deleted. Too bad that some assholes have to turn an otherwise informative thread into a pissing contest to prove they are more patriotic than anybody else. This thread probably wont last either.....

31whitey

12-16-2007, 09:05 AM

I dont know man.
only being hear a year(lurked for years b/c I thought you had to pay 50 bucks to join).
It seems most, not all, deleted post have stiring up shit as the main intention.
for example:
some moron posted a pic the other day of a dude with a mutton chops taking a photo of Boyd.the damn photo was one step below GAY PORN.

I posted saying that people have to stop starting threads like this.
Its obvious that the dudes intention was to start shit.
The people who post such shit need the flaming so they stop.
ahhh click.

Ryan

12-16-2007, 09:06 AM

honestly, its hard for me to answer without knowing what threads you are talking about. I will say that we dont delete anything unless it is OT or drama filled.

As we get bigger, I want the place to get more and more on topic.

Ryan

12-16-2007, 09:11 AM

I'd imagine those were my posts you were talking about. They weren't controversial or inflamatory, but I suspect there is something going on that I don't know about concerning the person in question. I'll take the deleted posts as a sign not to discuss that person again and go on with business as we usually do.

Example... Your post on DF was deleted because there was already 5 or 6 posts in the last week discussing the same thing. Use the search feature... Thats what it is there for...

3wLarry

12-16-2007, 09:23 AM

I had a thread deleted recently that showed a cool trad new Rudy 3w coupe project for sale on ebay, and it got pulled immediately...yet the thread about the Green Grenade on ebay lives on. Double standard?

I also got a nice little note from a mod saying that I need to improve the "quality of my posts"...

Roothawg

12-16-2007, 09:28 AM

I agree with Ryan BUT the search feature sucks Holmes. I have tried and tried to use it. LAtely it is telling me that I didn't use enough words and I may have 6 words in the search.

I am the king of OT posts, but I never go to political , religious or controversial...no matter how much I would like to. I think with the influx of people into the hobby and the "traditional" scene, will will have to try and do better. Myself included.

CURIOUS RASH

12-16-2007, 09:33 AM

The Green Grenade was birthed here on the HAMB. We saw it built right here. Maybe that's why it has stayed and others deleted? Don't know for sure, just saying.

There have been a few posts in the Q&S section from Ryan about using Googles search engine to search the HAMB.

I never have trouble with the search feature... Maybe you are using too many words? I've never tried more than two in any search.

HOTRODPRIMER

12-16-2007, 09:36 AM

HOTRODPRIMER

12-16-2007, 09:39 AM

CURIOUS RASH

12-16-2007, 09:43 AM

What are you searching for and what do you enter in the search?

HOTRODPRIMER

12-16-2007, 09:55 AM

Well today I was lookin' for the post where the question was ask by Antique engine,,,,,but Ryan answered that question,,,

Sometimes I get all kinds of results when I type in a few words,,,,but sorting out 10 pages of results really is a pita,,,if you know what I mean!:rolleyes: HRP

Ryan

12-16-2007, 09:56 AM

OK Hotrodprimer... I was curious and did a search. Your post history in 2007 (which is very good btw) contains only one deleted thread. What was it about? Christmas elves... I'm sorry man, but Christmas elves have nothing to do with hot rods.

Ryan

12-16-2007, 10:01 AM

3wlarry, Alliance memberships aren't required around here... and the amount of money given to support this place does not effect your status at all. That would be a double standard.

I wouldn't have deleted your post though. I think that one should have stayed around...

Ryan

12-16-2007, 10:03 AM

On the search... can you guys give me an example? It works pretty well for me on everything other than short words (less than 4 letters)... It sucks on short words.

1950ChevySuburban

12-16-2007, 10:24 AM

The only time search fails me, is when I do something wrong.
If I search "29 Ford Sedan", I know I'm gonna get swamped.
Too much information, such a good problem! :D
So I'd type "29 Ford Sedan 32 frame" or whatever I'm looking for. Narrows it down to a manageable level.

I wonder though, if our search function here uses the "negative feature" like ebay has, where for example, if you put
"29 Ford Sedan -billet" You'd get everything without the word Billet in the article? It only works as long as theres no space between the - and the word you want to delete.

1950ChevySuburban

12-16-2007, 10:30 AM

some moron posted a pic the other day of a dude with a mutton chops taking a photo of Boyd.the damn photo was one step below GAY PORN.

That was the first time I ever felt embarrased to be a Hamber.
Then I thought about how good we all are, and got myself in a better mood.:D

Ryan

12-16-2007, 11:13 AM

This thread has me astonished... Not in a bad way, but.. just astonished. I feed complaints from both sides - some guys think there are too many OT posts while other guys wonder why their off topic post was deleted when so many others remain.

It's not a science (and not completely accurate), but I have a geek stat that kind of keeps track of troublesome users. For shits and giggles I ran the query on everyone in this thread. Here is what I found:

1. HotRodPrimer. He was above 90% on topic and had one thread deleted in 2007. That thread was about Christmas Elves and had been reported 6 times before it was deleted.

2. Druss32. He was 100% on topic (RAD!) and had zero threads deleted in 2007.

3. tomslik. He was above 90% on topic and had one thread deleted in 2007. The thread was deleted because political subjects started to come up... Essentially, it was the China vs. Mexico Vs. US thing.

4. Tman. Above 90% on topic with one thread deleted. Thread was deleted because Tman asked it to be...

5. Antique Engine. Above 90% on topic with 2 threads deleted. One was asking where David Friedburger was... The subject had been a new topic 5 times on the forum in the last 7 days, so it was deleted. The other thread was him asking why his post was deleted. We always delete those.

6. Mazdaslam. 100% on topic and zero threads deleted in 2007.

7. 31whitey. Above 80% and zero deleted.

8. 3wLarry. Below 80% on topic with three threads deleted. The latest prolly shouldn't have been. It was an eBay link to Rudy's latest. Another was his own classified ad that he requested to be deleted. And the third was another eBay making fun of a car found on that site.

9. Roothawg. Above 90% and zero deleted.

10. 1950chevysuburban. Above 90% zero deleted...

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To be honest, I'm not seeing a problem here... If anything, the stats say I should be deleting more off topic posts. I don't, because some I think are interesting and others just slip by.

Again, it's not a science but we do as best we can.

tjm73

12-16-2007, 11:32 AM

How is percentage of 'on' or 'off topic' calculated?

Also, how does a moderator come to pass judgement on and leave a message to 3wLarry to improve the quality of his posts? I've seen many, many posts by him that were very good quality. To me that's akin to influencing the writing style of a writer, or doctoring a report to give the desired result to support your point of view. When I read about that, to be frank, it bothered me a little. Is someone sitting around arbitrarily passing judgment of posts, with the poster having no recourse to incorrect/or unwarrented deletes?

Ryan

12-16-2007, 11:42 AM

It's not a science and the query is actually biased to find "bad" users... Something that nobody on this thread would qualify as at all.

Essentially, off topic posts are labeled whether they are deleted or not. Not as a negative to the user but just so that we have that reference for bad uses in the future... Say a guy makes a thread that is purposely posted to cause trouble or something like that and we check the query to find that he is below 50% on topic. In a situation like that, we can comfortably ban that user.

As for Larry, I'm sure he'll tell ya - we get along fine. And I am more than appreciative of all the great threads he has had in the past... Especially dealing with that '32 of his. I don't think the pm he got is something I feel comfortable about talking in a public forum.

The point of all of this is... Yes, we are getting bigger. We have been getting bigger for 12 years. And as we grow, I delete more and more threads to keep the really good stuff on the top of the page. Cuz frankly, we don't have as much room anymore for the off topic stuff.

I completely understand that some folks won't like this. I gave up trying to be everything for everyone a long time ago. In the end, this is a hot rod and custom forum first and foremost... and that's what is ultimately important to me.

And to answer your question...

Is someone sitting around arbitrarily passing judgment of posts, with the poster having no recourse to incorrect/or unwarrented deletes?

Yes. Absolutely. Unfortunately, there is no black and white here though... Sometimes there are gray areas and sometimes we make mistakes. I think history will tell us though that most of the time, we are pretty damn good.

HOTRODPRIMER

12-16-2007, 11:48 AM

Troublesome users :confused:,,,must be time for me to to turn the computer off and go out in the shop!:rolleyes: ,,,,, HRP

Ryan

12-16-2007, 11:51 AM

Troublesome users :confused:,,,must be time for me to to turn the computer off and go out in the shop!:rolleyes: ,,,,, HRP

Read... No one posted on this thread would make that list.

Muttley

12-16-2007, 11:58 AM

I understand wanting to remain on topic but if you take away everything thats political/funny/offensive this site will read like a technical service bulletin. :( :( Say the following to yourself in a monotone/robot fashion: I love your new car................That is a beautiful chop..................Danger Will Robinson. Do any of you really talk like that when hanging out with your friends? The threads I like the most are not tech on how to rebuild some thingamawidget (boring). The best threads are the ones when some new idiot registers and posts with both guns blazing about how he's so oldskoolhardcoreratroderiffic because he just took his mom's old Buick Apollo, spray bombed it black/red and added some skulls. Comedy erupts from the far reaches of the universe, the four horseman of the comedic apocalypse are unleashed, pictures of Liberace in his bellytank come out of the woodwork and everyone nearly passes out from laughter. Thats the kind of stuff that happens when normal guys talk in the garage.

Please dont turn the HAMB into a tech site/snooze fest, there are plenty of sites that are devoted to that and guess what...............I dont read any of them and I certainly dont have their t-shirt.

PBR Allstar

12-16-2007, 12:03 PM

This thread needs more GERM.... acctually, a lot of threads need more GERM

Ryan

12-16-2007, 12:04 PM

The best threads are the ones when some new idiot registers and posts with both guns blazing about how he's so oldskoolhardcoreratroderiffic because he just took his mom's old Buick Apollo, spray bombed it black/red and added some skulls.

Sorry man, but we have never... and nor will we in the future cater to threads like that.

Cars... not drama...

In no way are we changing or have we changed the way we moderate... We are doing things exactly like we did 3 or 4 years ago.

Stevie G

12-16-2007, 12:57 PM

Thanks Ryan, the fun threads help break up the day but the tech is what I'm here for. A little humor snuck into a tech thread is always appreciated.

Rusk

12-16-2007, 01:05 PM

[quote=Muttley;2433586]I understand wanting to remain on topic but if you take away everything thats political/funny/offensive this site will read like a technical service bulletin. :( :( Say the following to yourself in a monotone/robot fashion: I love your new car................That is a beautiful chop................../quote]

I agree 100%. I also think that in the past (at least for the 3-4 years I've been reading), we did a better job about keeping this place focused. I've seen more of the OSR style cars, streetrods, and blinging wheels than ever before. If that's where we're going, so be it, but I think this place will lose something at that point.

Also, I understand cleaning up threads that have political battles and such, but just cleaning up the trash talking takes something away. For example, there were a bunch of posts pulled of the Lordz of Kustoms latest thread. If someone can back up why they're shady or do shoddy work, I want to read it. I'm sure it's hard to tell what's legit and what's just general bashing, but this is how we look after one another.

Bryan

loudpedal

12-16-2007, 01:07 PM

I don't know where I stand on this issue. I find myself somewhere in the middle of Ryan and Muttley.

Ryan

12-16-2007, 01:09 PM

We delete general bashing... We never delete opinions expressed maturely. NEVER.

sodbuster

12-16-2007, 01:39 PM

Just to sneak in here and ask a "search" question.........does the 4 letter search code relate to numbers also? I have tried to search 40 ford coupe and it does bring up a messload of non-related posts. Maybe I need to do an advance search. But, I always wondered about the "number" thing.

Chris

Ryan

12-16-2007, 01:58 PM

yeah.. the terms have to be atleast 4 characters at this point. It's a bug related to the upgrade we did last week. Should be fixed soon hopefully...

tomslik

12-16-2007, 02:02 PM

"3. tomslik. He was above 90% on topic and had one thread deleted in 2007. The thread was deleted because political subjects started to come up... Essentially, it was the China vs. Mexico Vs. US thing."

that's kinda what i figured happed.
i WAS supposed to be JUST an observation and maybe a warning, i guess....

sodbuster

12-16-2007, 02:07 PM

Thanks Ryan.........and you work too hard for us chumps.........

Chris

3wLarry

12-16-2007, 02:25 PM

3wLarry...below 80%...

sounds on par with my high school report cards. :D

...and in the moderators defense...I prolly deserved it...

Ryan

12-16-2007, 02:52 PM

Hey... At least ya got room to grow - right?

Another stat that I just got done compiling:

In 2007, less than 2% of all posts on the H.A.M.B. were deleted.

Find another forum with our kind of traffic that can say that. :)

Ryan

12-16-2007, 04:22 PM

You guys have me all dorking out on stats now, but I found one more that is real good...

In 2007, we had 77,054 new threads on the HAMB. As said, less than 2% were deleted.

In 2006, we had 61,352 new threas on the HAMB. Amazingly, 4.7% of those posts were deleted.

So we had an increase of posting by just over 25% and over a 50% decline in deleted posts.

To me, it means we are growing quickly but the content is not getting watered down with lots of Off Topic stuff. To others, it means we aren't deleting enough off topic stuff.

I'll leave it alone now...

mazdaslam

12-16-2007, 04:36 PM

Interesting stats. Is there any way to tell what percent of registered members participate on the board compared to those who do not? Like how many members register and only post a few times or never post at all.

Ryan

12-16-2007, 04:44 PM

Nothing really dynamic without taking a lot of time to query... I can tell ya that only 20% of the traffic the site gets is actually registered... And of our 37,000 registered users (or thereabouts), 20,000+ have logged in in the last 30 days.

mazdaslam

12-16-2007, 04:50 PM

So, of the 20,000 or so logged in in the past month,how many of them have posted?

Roothawg

12-16-2007, 04:50 PM

Ryan

12-16-2007, 04:58 PM

A couple of more... and these are numbers I hang my hat on when I get down on myself... Since 2001, the average time a user spends on the site per visit has NEVER declined on an annual basis. Check it in comparison (2007 via compete stats):

jalopyjournal.com: 15:29 minutes (actual is really 18.47 from google analytics)
garagejournal.com: 12:43
jockeyjournal.com: 13:20
msnbc.com: 2.42
rodandcustommagazine.com: 4.53
nascar.com: 2:53
hotrod.com: 6:03
google.com: 6:46
cnn.com: 6:50

15 minutes is pretty much unheard of in the web world. The only HUGE site that beats us, smashes us... myspace.com at 22 minutes, but those are all kids. :)

So, of the 20,000 or so logged in in the past month,how many of them have posted?

I don't have that one readily available...

Ryan

12-16-2007, 05:01 PM

OK, here's an example. I was searching for an old post I had done with progress pics of the Fleetline. So here is my procedure....I typed in what I thought was the title of the thread...as best I could remember. "I'm no Brian Bass, update pics of the Fleetline"... Try it and see what you get.

This is the thread I was after.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=217275&highlight=Brian+Bass%2C

I ended up finding it by searching simply "Brian Bass". But think how many times his name has been mentioned.....

I just searched for "fleetline bass" and it was one of the first ten results... maybe it's just search technique?

In any case, in march we will be changing search engines and introducing the largest number of new features we have ever added... Think about your profile page... now think about photo galleries, personal forums, blogs, etc... It's going to solve a lot of problems.

mazdaslam

12-16-2007, 05:06 PM

Pretty cool stuff. This thread has taken quite a turn.You cant please everybody,but it looks like you are really close.

Ryan

12-16-2007, 05:16 PM

Pretty cool stuff. This thread has taken quite a turn.You cant please everybody,but it looks like you are really close.

Not quite... You should see some of the emails I get. :)

I try really hard though man. Really hard.

Roothawg

12-16-2007, 05:16 PM

That is the only function that I have a problem with. As far as an interactive website, I can't think of one that works better.
It's a minor technicality....

Roothawg

12-16-2007, 05:17 PM

I KNOW I spend more than 15 minutes on this mofo.......
My wife reminds me of it daily. I gotta stop posting on this thread...it's jacking up my averages.........haha

jonzcustomshop

12-16-2007, 05:37 PM

well I quit watching tv, now i spend time here...., now i just have to split the time here with the garage, and i am set.

I have a question about "space".. taking up bandwidth ect...what is that? and what things should we do/ not do ?

Lil' Billy

12-16-2007, 05:46 PM

I definitely spend 10-15 minutes on this site daily. There's always 4-5 pages of threads with new content to read through, and I usually spend 5-10 minutes sorting through threads when I'm searching for something. That's not a bad thing though, I use broad search terms so I get as many results as possible. It never fails the info I want is a little nugget hidden in one thread. :) I'm content with how the H.A.M.B. is. Great cars 98% of the time. Sometimes I wish that I didn't miss a good ot, funny thread though. They always make me crack up. I usually get a fill in from another member about it though.

1950ChevySuburban

12-16-2007, 06:54 PM

I gave up trying to be everything for everyone a long time ago. In the end, this is a hot rod and custom forum first and foremost... and that's what is ultimately important to me.

Right on! You got to take care of yourself first, Ryan!
I think I speak for everyone when I say it's important that you get to enjoy the HAMB as much as we all do.

Thanks for keeping the threads pruned for good health, just like gardening aint it?:D

Malcolm

12-16-2007, 07:02 PM

Thanks Ryan.........and you work too hard for us chumps.........

Chris

What he said.

I read this whole thread and I am amazed and completely impressed by how much hard work you put into this site.

Thanks, Ryan.

Malcolm

CURIOUS RASH

12-16-2007, 09:12 PM

GreenMtnBoy

12-17-2007, 11:05 AM

Good read. Thanks HRP for kicking it off.
Thanks Ryan and all the mods for all you do. This thread just increased my already great respect for this place.

HHRdave

12-17-2007, 02:43 PM

I think all eBay related threads should be deleted. WHY? Because we all know where eBay is and we all know how to do a search on eBay. eBay is...a necessary evil... it can help you but it can also ruin the hobby in many ways. eBay is so controversial ( I don't know where to begin, I've been on eBay for 8 years buying and selling)...that I think it's just better we leave eBay off the HAMB.

just my .02

29bowtie

12-17-2007, 03:48 PM

One thing that may be horribly misunderstood about the deletion of threads is that NONE of us who are tasked with keeping things on topic and drama free enjoy deleting threads. There is no joy in it.

Hats off to the main board Mods as it is tough to do, rarely is there a thread deleted without the concerned Mod asking for advice or opinions from fellow Mods first. It's somewhat easier for the Classifed Mods as there are pretty clear cut rules. Bust one or try and skate around it and away the thread goes.

I personally find the act of deleting someones post or banning a user gut wrenching. I know the other Mods don't take it lightly either.

I have had the good fortune of discussing the HAMB one on one with Ryan on a few occasions and I am always amazed at how much thought he puts into EVERYTHING he does. He is quite possibly the most calm and fair person I know.

Sometimes it pisses me off...:D
This was my thought,as i was reading through this thread. Often when a thread is locked,or deleted you just know it wasn't an easy decision, and often the feeling of restraint and patience,comes across very clearly. You moderators,perform a very challenging task. Thank You, i appreciate all your efforts. It also amazes me, that with the rate of growth, how few problems there are,which speaks well for the participants of the site.:D

Paul

12-17-2007, 04:16 PM

OK, here's an example. I was searching for an old post I had done with progress pics of the Fleetline. So here is my procedure....I typed in what I thought was the title of the thread...as best I could remember. "I'm no Brian Bass, update pics of the Fleetline"... Try it and see what you get.

This is the thread I was after.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=217275&highlight=Brian+Bass%2C

I ended up finding it by searching simply "Brian Bass". But think how many times his name has been mentioned.....

I have rarely had any problem with the search function
I think you gave it too much information and maybe in the wrong place.

I just tried looking for that thread using minimal input and it was the only result.

I knew you started the thread, and Brian Bass was referenced
so I used the advanced search function
(I always do)
and searhed threads that you started and key worded Brian Bass
like so:

tjm73

12-17-2007, 04:28 PM

Not quite... You should see some of the emails I get. :)

I try really hard though man. Really hard.

Well....I think you do a pretty damn good job. And all those stats you shared are interesting (in a geeky numbers crunching kind of way :D).

One thing I like is your approachability Ryan. This is the site I visit almost daily and often for at least 20 minutes.

Paul

12-17-2007, 04:29 PM

This was my thought,as i was reading through this thread. Often when a thread is locked,or deleted you just know it wasn't an easy decision, and often the feeling of restraint and patience,comes across very clearly. You moderators,perform a very challenging task. Thank You, i appreciate all your efforts. It also amazes me, that with the rate of growth, how few problems there are,which speaks well for the participants of the site.:D

my thoughts exactly

Roothawg

12-17-2007, 08:25 PM

That was just an example to show that the error I was getting . It was telling me I needed to add more words in the search function. That was the title word for word, just missing the word "but".....

I thought for sure it would hit on it, that's the only example I could think of recently. Maybe I should just start with one word.

Roothawg

12-17-2007, 08:31 PM

OK, not to harp on this, but not all hambers are super computer savvy.

OK, let's say you wanted to find this post but you couldn't remember that I posted it.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=226788

Just start with the title 1 word at a time and use the pop up search feature without going advanced.

Just trying to help Ryan with something he probably doesn't get a perspective on, since he is a computer guy.

CURIOUS RASH

12-17-2007, 08:42 PM

I searched for "political" and this was number two on the list...

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/search.php?searchid=2882953

CURIOUS RASH

12-17-2007, 09:02 PM

I see what you're saying...

A less sucky title might help. :D

Ryan

12-17-2007, 09:28 PM

no... There is no doubt, the search feature could be better for sure.

MustBnuts

12-18-2007, 09:41 PM

Search button flags a ton of unconnected results...Admin..is right about search command but only if it's operating properly. Obviously if it's not the member is simply going to return to the boards and pop the question hopefully not to have it deleted.

glenn33

12-22-2007, 07:47 AM

Wow...this thread is really great. It's asked and answered allot of questions I've had since rejoinging the HAMB. The stats that Ryan has quoted really blow me away. I've owned several sites that I've tracked with different stat keeping programs (thanks to an informative webmaster) and to see that the hang time on this site is so high, says something very positive about the site.
I was a member years ago when I lived in Florida and really enjoyed it here. When I moved to southern Illinois I was not able to get high speed internet so I waited to get acess until it was available earlier this year. When I rejoined I went through the whole "FNG" thing, and got trashed on my first thread...made me a little gun shy to be very honest...but I stayed and have been soooo glad I did.
This is the greatest hot rod community in the world...bar none... According to my wife, I spend way too much time here. In my opinion I don't spend enough....Two different opinions....Kinda like the HAMB only here there are 37,000 different opinions. That's what makes it so great.
I guess what I really want to say is " A huge Thank You to Ryan and everyone involved in keep this board going" Sometimes the HAMB is the only link we have to the world that we really love. When I say "world" I mean just that. I've met and done business with people from around the county and around the world.
If there are things have to be deleted to keep the focus then so be it...Personally, I'm just glad that there are people like Ryan and Rashy that care enought to make those decisions...'nuff said....

breeder

12-27-2007, 08:54 PM

bhahahahaha...i dont even wanna know what my ot post count is~!:eek:
its a wonderful place,,,,ive met 100 lifelong friends that i talk to every week...plus tons more that i talk to now and then! i get mad sometimes when shit gets smoked and others of the same dont...makes me think someones out to get me! then i realize theres an assload of people on here and only a hand full of mods...so i calm down and grow up!:)well, a lil bit anyway!;):p

roadracer

01-16-2008, 08:42 PM

I definitely spend 10-15 minutes on this site daily. There's always 4-5 pages of threads with new content to read through, and I usually spend 5-10 minutes sorting through threads when I'm searching for something.

Damn, most weekdays I find myself refreshing the site a dozen or more times and must spend an hour on here. Just spent 2 hours reading just now.

The fact that 20k users logged on in last 30 days is amazing to me, I assumed most were long gone..

Rocky

01-16-2008, 10:56 PM

What he said.

I read this whole thread and I am amazed and completely impressed by how much hard work you put into this site.

Thanks, Ryan.

Malcolm
No shit.....with this board, the Jaolpy Journal "newsletter" thingy, the garage site and God knows how many other sites you have, a day-job, a family and a real life, 2 hotrods....when do you sleep, Ryan?

Stevie G

01-19-2008, 09:30 AM

....when do you sleep, Ryan?

Rumor has it he has a sleep day scheduled somewhere between Hot Rod Cinematic and the HAMB Drags.

Motorbreath

01-19-2008, 09:49 AM

Just wanted to say thanks for letting my truck build thread go on, i've had some reply's to it that I think were done more than anything to get it closed for "bashing" but I appreciate you guys (mods) letting it go on, hopefully the truck will be drivable soon and I can stop on the build post. Thanks Ryan for getting this place going and ALL the work to keep it right.

Chili Phil

01-19-2008, 11:49 AM

hah! I bet the "Drag cars in motion" thread has really upped the traffic. It seems like I refresh that one several times a visit.

54BOMB

01-19-2008, 12:36 PM

I couldnt believe it when I saw how many people viewed that post over 100k wow

BOBBY FORD

01-21-2008, 07:46 PM

Haven't been on here long but it is obvious to me that someone has to monitor this site. When you have 40,000 + members you are going to have some crap that gets on here that shouldn't be on here. I have seen in a short period of time that despite some differences that crop up from time to time that this is one of the better sites and I am proud to be associated with it and I think that our moderators do an exceptional job of trying to keep it on track. I wouldn't want that job for anything. I think it would help if a FNG had to review rules before they are allowed to do anything and have them check off that they understand what they can and can't do and how to search the site for answers rather than post a question thats been ask and answered before. when I first joined I didn't know which way was up. Still learning every day.
keep up the good work guys! Thanks. BOBBY FORD

ChevyGirlRox

01-22-2008, 10:10 AM

A couple of more... and these are numbers I hang my hat on when I get down on myself... Since 2001, the average time a user spends on the site per visit has NEVER declined on an annual basis. Check it in comparison (2007 via compete stats):

jalopyjournal.com: 15:29 minutes (actual is really 18.47 from google analytics)
garagejournal.com: 12:43
jockeyjournal.com: 13:20
msnbc.com: 2.42
rodandcustommagazine.com: 4.53
nascar.com: 2:53
hotrod.com: 6:03
google.com: 6:46
cnn.com: 6:50

15 minutes is pretty much unheard of in the web world. The only HUGE site that beats us, smashes us... myspace.com at 22 minutes, but those are all kids. :)

Wow, those stats are amazing! :eek:Thanks for sharing. 15 minutes is a big deal on my company website as well. I use Extreme Tracker and love it. It is able to literally map out worldwide who is on my site, how long, how they go there and what they looked at. Technology is great!:D

I'm a numbers geek too:o