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kustombuilder
07-14-2004, 12:28 AM
just a quick little TECH-esque post.

i modified a pair of lower control arms for an S10 to get an extra two inches of drop, it can be done on most any double A-arm type suspension, plus i know alot of guys run S10 frames, so here it is...

first, mark a straight line across the control arm about 1/2-3/4" behind the balljoint hole.

then cut it nice and straight using a plasma cutter, cut off wheel or like i did and just use the chop saw. just make sure to make a nice clean straight (in both directions) cut.

next cut a piece (one for each a-arm actually) of 1/4" plate the width of the cut section of the a-arm. then measure from the bottom of the a-arm to the highest point at the cut section. add 2" (for a 2" drop) to that measurement and that is the other dimension for your 1/4" plate. on both S10s i've done this to the plate was 6" (wide)x 4" (high).

then line the bottom of the plate up with the bottom edges of the lower control arm (the big piece) and tack weld it in place.

measure up two inches and make a mark on each side of the front of the plate.

this is where you'll line up the bottom of the small piece (where the balljoint actually mounts) so that it all stay in the proper orientation. tack weld it.


once it's all tacked and your sure it's straight and all is right with the world, WELD IT. i weld everything on both sides so it is nice and strong. then i'll trim some of the excess metal from the 1/4" plate where it sticks up.

next step. measure for and cut out gussets for the sides of the control arm. i use about 1/8" plate for these. you want it to go from the top of the stepped up piece down to the main part of the control arm and back a reasonable length so it will be strong. i made these about 3 1/2" up and about 6 1/2" long.

tack em on at the front, hammer and clamp em into position, then weld em up on both sides.

after that i grind the angle into a slight curve. if your running air bags you want to make sure the bag will not make contact with the gusset (or the step for that matter) at any point in it's travel.


some might call this "Hackery" http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif and for a car that would have a show quality chassis i would go another route, but this is a proven modification and an easy way to get an extra couple inches of drop out of your front suspension.

if you don't trust your welding and fabrication skills DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS MODIFICATION!!!

DRAG ON!!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

kustombuilder
07-14-2004, 12:30 AM
2 inch step...

kustombuilder
07-14-2004, 12:32 AM
SHINY METAL!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif...

kustombuilder
07-14-2004, 12:35 AM
fully welded, as you can see.

hope these pics explain things better than i can with my words...

kustombuilder
07-14-2004, 12:37 AM
and here is the other one INSTALLLED!!!

slammed
07-14-2004, 01:00 AM
Cool! Great tech/photo's.

atch
07-14-2004, 09:55 AM
mike,

nice tech. thanx.

question (or comment): you take out about 1/8" of metal with the chop saw; you add back in 1/4" with the 1/4" plate. this makes the lower A-arm 1/8" longer than it originally was. i'm assuming this doesn't matter 'cause it is adjusted away when the front end alignment is performed?

29EHV8
07-14-2004, 11:16 AM
I build em exactly like that also.
An easier way to lower an S-10 or 78-87 gm,monte,cutlass etc is to install 73-87 chevy 1/2 ton truck lower balljoints.You hafta ream the bottom spindle a lil but the balljoint fits right in the a-arm and it lowers it bout 2".
We learned this while cheatin when we were racing stockcars......Shiny

kustombuilder
07-14-2004, 11:24 AM
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mike,

nice tech. thanx.

question (or comment): you take out about 1/8" of metal with the chop saw; you add back in 1/4" with the 1/4" plate. this makes the lower A-arm 1/8" longer than it originally was. i'm assuming this doesn't matter 'cause it is adjusted away when the front end alignment is performed?

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we'll let the alignment guy worry about that http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif... actually, by the time you cut the piece and clean it up with the grinder it works out pretty close to 1/4". the two trucks i've done had no problem being aligned.

Slag Kustom
07-14-2004, 11:38 AM
looks good upper a arm has enough ajustment to add an 1/8 shim with out a problem

roadstar
07-14-2004, 12:07 PM
Well they would be ok if you painted them Seafoam green. Otherwise I think they look Gay http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Killer
07-14-2004, 12:15 PM
use something heavier than 1/8 plate for the gussets... I use 1/4 or 3/8..

http://img64.photobucket.com/albums/v195/akakiller56/10.jpg

kustombuilder
07-15-2004, 12:20 AM
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use something heavier than 1/8 plate for the gussets... I use 1/4 or 3/8..



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that would'nt hurt anything, but it would help either. think about the direction the forces would be applied to the control arms and the gussets. unless you hit something with the control arm, the thicker gussets would not help it in any significant way.

lulabelle
07-15-2004, 02:13 AM
Thanks KB!Now you got me thinking about something else. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gifI'll put this in my favorites.

kustombuilder
07-15-2004, 11:55 AM
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Thanks KB!Now you got me thinking about something else. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gifI'll put this in my favorites.

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i'm here to help!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif hows that Chevy comin anyway??

dirty_hands
09-05-2006, 06:19 PM
would this work for a king pin type suspension?

sawzall
09-05-2006, 06:27 PM
I build em exactly like that also.
An easier way to lower an S-10 or 78-87 gm,monte,cutlass etc is to install 73-87 chevy 1/2 ton truck lower balljoints.You hafta ream the bottom spindle a lil but the balljoint fits right in the a-arm and it lowers it bout 2".
We learned this while cheatin when we were racing stockcars......Shiny


shiny..

I love reading stuff like that.. thanks..

Bugman
09-05-2006, 06:36 PM
would this work for a king pin type suspension?
It should, but you'll have to watch your alignment very carefully. If the angle's not perfect, king and link pins aren't nearly as forgiving as ball joints.

dirty_hands
09-05-2006, 06:48 PM
It should, but you'll have to watch your alignment very carefully. If the angle's not perfect, king and link pins aren't nearly as forgiving as ball joints.

hmmm...
how would you recomend keeping it all square?

A friend of mine got a set of "dropped/lowered" control arms for his 52 chevy, that are new production, but I havent been able to find anything like that on the internet, so I was researching making my own.
I have not yet compared the lowered ones to the stock ones, so I dont know how they have been redesigned.
Any clues on who makes these arms?

49ratfink
09-05-2006, 07:01 PM
in the installed picture it looks as though your A arm will be below the scrub line (below the rim). how does it look when it is on the ground at ride height?

Bugman
09-05-2006, 07:04 PM
hmmm...
how would you recomend keeping it all square?


If i were going to atempt it, I would cut it apart, then reasemble everything with the springs out. You'd essentially be using the chassis and spindle pieces as your jig to keep things square.

dirty_hands
09-05-2006, 07:56 PM
If i were going to atempt it, I would cut it apart, then reasemble everything with the springs out. You'd essentially be using the chassis and spindle pieces as your jig to keep things square.



yeah thats what I was thinking too.
Will this effect the camber/caster/toe?

Bugman
09-05-2006, 08:01 PM
yeah thats what I was thinking too.
Will this effect the camber/caster/toe?
"shouldn't"
You'll want to check it when your done just to be sure.

IntrstlarOvrdrve
09-05-2006, 09:17 PM
Man, I really wish I was a better welder...maybe someday I will attempt this..but for the time I don't have a death wish :)