THATS IT! I have had enough...Shipping parts, etc.

[Satinblack]

Ok everyone, I have kept my mouth shut but no more. I have been screwed to many times! Almost every transaction so far has been a joke on the hamb. Everyone complains about ebay but I have only had one problem on ebay in the last 5 years.

First off I will not name names and for those of you that are the ones I have dealt with, I have NOT told anyone who you are.

Anyway. I have made several deals on the hamb and here are the results:

1. I make a trade for an item and the guy gets mine but takes 2 months or more to send mine(Not a very big deal, I understand people are busy, but if you make a deal please be timely)

2. I trade part for part with a guy, I send hims and he supposedly does the same thing, tells me the part is on the way. (Then 2 or more weeks go by and I have to go out of my way to catch this dude to insure that he sends it which he hasnt even done yet! Then when he finally does its half sticking out the box!)

3. I buy an intake and carbs from a guy and he mails it in a old lightweight box and then wraps the stuff....barely in newspaper.(Needless to say the stuff was ruined and it was because the box and packaging was not correctly done. I fought with Fed ex morth 5-6 weeks to get compensated, I was LUCKY!)

4. Today I get an item that was described as perfect and it is all nicked up and looks like it was drug on the concrete, BUT the box has no scuffs to indicate that it was dragged. Hummm go figure?

Anyway I can't believe this...... Please when you make a deal don't just make the deal and treat the stuff like crap! Someone on the other end is counting on getting this stuff in one piece! And know this Fed ex and Ups and these others will NOT pay you if its not packaged properly based on the items weight and such. So if you send an intake and five carbs that weigh a ton, dont ship it in a old lightweight christmas tree box, they wont do shit and if you get lucky and get compensation it will take forever, but they will fight tooth and nail.

I always get a box that is heavy weight, thick, and rated for the weight of whats being shipped. I have never had a complaint. I wrap things up and use styrafoam shipping popcorn. Its well worth it. I always feel obligated to not only ship items in a timely manner but also to the best of my control insure that they get there safely. Heck write fragile or glass on the box, something.

Thats me venting, like I said I just got something in the mail and I am PISSED to say the leaset right now, after all money doesnt grow on trees as most of you know. If you have any ideas to help these problem children out please reply. Maybe we should have a feedback thing for the Hamb???Satin http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[RileyRacing]

Tell us how you really feel...

I have gotten (and sent) many things via the HAMB. Most are hiccup free, but then there are the few problems (ask kartbreaker or flyin dutchman). It's a fact of life.

In a hundred years from now, will it matter? No.
I understand the frustration, it's been 2 months since I ordered my shirt from flyin dutchman. I sent money, he sent shirt. Turns out the bonehead who moved into our old house never bothered to forward it... luckily I went over and she had it...

Sucks to get screwed, but think of all the good stuff you've gotten, you have gotten some right? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Jay

[Satinblack]

Sorry but there is no excuse for not packing something correctly. So I should just do the same to others. No I don't think so

[Roothawg]

Sorry to hear it. I haven't had any problems yet. Knock on wood........

[Slag Kustom]

reason # 106 that i hate dealing and depeneding on other people . i have been fighting with a shipping company for over a year about a harley motor i bought on e-bay

[FWilliams]

amen

[TP]

That would be me-TP. Send it back and I will either paint it the color you want. You did question me several times about the exact color. It did have a small scrape on the back out of sight. I don't think it could be seen on a car. If you are not happy I will either paint it or pay the amount you gave for it. There were absolutely no dents, rust holes or gouges in the metal. I was trying to help out on the fund raiser. I will gladly make it right. I gave a$150.00 for it the way you got it and thought it was dang nice. I have paid close to what you gave for one that needed body work and paint. Send it back and I'll repaint it. Send me the paint code you want also. You questioned me on the type of paint and the color. Tell me what brand you want and the code. That's all I can do.As for as it looking like it was drug on concrete thats bs and you know it. Maybe perfect was a little off but damn nice is not. Thats my rant. You have my address. TP

[slowpoke]

[ QUOTE ]
Maybe we should have a feedback thing for the Hamb???Satin http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[/ QUOTE ]I'm just an FNG so my opinion barely counts but I would second that. Though maybe some of us technical types should build/host it for Ryan...no reason to cause him extra work. Sry to hear that too...for while there I was thinking I had found some oasis of dependable ppl.

[Satinblack]

hummmm, I didnt mention any names. I am glad you understand. I will send you the pics I have taken. I describe the scuff as being dragged on concrete because if I were to duplicate it thats what I would do to do it.

[Satinblack]

By the way... lets not forget the main intent of this post. Please package items with care and consider what its going to go thru. Satin

[slowpoke]

[ QUOTE ]
...for while there I was thinking I had found some oasis of dependable ppl.

[/ QUOTE ]Ah...scratch that. I know it's just a few bad apples and misunderstandings...human nature.

[slammed]

Good, vaild point. Haphazard, lazy packaging, s-l-o-w transaction's without a simple e-mail for an update. Inconsiderate is putting it mildly. Hmmmmmm......who could that be........?

[Ryan]

OK fellas... This is something that has always concerned me. I can't control all transactions, but I can control the aftermath a tad.

I happen to know TP on a personal level and I am 100% absolutely sure that he would never sell anything by misleading someone. This was, in my opinion, a misunderstanding of sorts... No one meant to screw anyone else over and now that someone feels like they have been, the other is willing to make it right. That's how it should be. Thanks TP for taking care of business and thanks in advance Satin for being understanding.

As for other deals on the HAMB that have gone wrong, why don't these people ever contact me? Why am I not informed? I can help...

I am pretty positive that 99% of the people on this board are just regular folks out to do good... There shouldn't be that many problems...

[BELLM]

About a year and a half ago I sold some parts to a fellow HAMBer, $50, did a HAMB relay, probably had 5 or 6 hrs time in getting this stuff, meeting an hour from my home for relay, etc. Have yet to get paid. Couple gentle reminders, apologies, still no money.
BUT, in the process of doing the HAMB relay I got to meet ElmoRodge who came to Texas to pick up a 36 Ford. He was the first HAMBer I ever met, and getting to meet the legendary Wayno was worth the $50 I got stiffed for by the other un-named HAMBer.
I have had several other dealings with HAMBers, buying & selling & all have been great.

[TP]

Satin, I understand your frustration but bare with me a minute. I tryed to get it out to you before I left on vacation for a week. It was packed in a box with news paper stuffing all around it. It had a scratch on the back about 1-1 1/2inches long 1/4 of an inch wide. Sorry if it arrived any differant. I posted what I would do and thats all I can do. If it was more damage than that it was mishandled by the shipper. It was protected ,if it was handled right. I do appreciate the fact about not mentioning names. I did what I thought was the best thing to do. I got it off to you in a hurry and I guess I made a mistake. If it truly looks like it was drug on concrete they mishandled it. I will make it right as I said.I have got parts not that well packaged with no problems. Sorry about it.I did not put it in a wooden box and wouldn't if I shipped another one.I sent you pictures of what it looked like before I shipped it, is it differant than that? TP

[Hackerbilt]

Simple.
"Three strikes your out" rule.
Excessive? HELL YES!

But it will work UNLESS your buying from some flake who just signed up yesterday to hawk his scrap and then he's gone anyway.

To prevent that maybe only "100 posters" should be allowed to post in the classifieds?
That might limit the hot deals though.... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
sigh..... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Bill

[Fat Hack]

The only thought I can offer is that we're not running businesses through the HAMB (at least the majority of users aren't), so the deals, swaps and freebies are more casual in nature...like favors amongst friends, more so than business transactions, if you follow?

Didja ever tell a buddy "I'll drop that (insert name of part here) off next time I'm in the area"? Or "I'll stop by and grab that (whatever) sometime when I get the chance"?

Life Happens sometimes and good intentions can get lost in the bustle of daily life...most folks on the HAMB aren't professional packagers, parts retailers or businesspeople...they're just ordinary, everyday hot rodders who may not grasp the concepts of next day shipping and such.

Now, it goes without saying that you should always try to over-pack items shipped through the mail or through parcel delivery carriers...if you KNEW how they were handled between Point A and Point B, you'd be amazed that ANYTHING ever arrived in tact! But, some people may just be naive or unaware of this...professional mail order houses will know about it...but Joe and Jane Average may not. Just a thought.

I would think that even non-businesspersons would be a little quicker about deals where money was involved, but such is not always the case, especially in a more casual atmosphere.

Don't think I'm making excuses for the few possible true 'deadbeats', I was just trying to illustrate that you may not be dealing with professionals on the other end...this is not e-bay, and many users are not savvy shippers and retail tycoons...they're just ordinary folk joined here by a common interest in old rods and customs! I'm sure the majority of the folks you meet here ARE good, honest people, if not somewhat aloof and distractable.

I'd suggest you handle any disputes privately...as you would within your circle of friends...get ahold of the person in question and see what's up. Odds are, it can be cleared up that way, and there's no need to start MORE drama in the public forum....you KNOW how quickly a few personal rants can escalate into a full blown Bitchfest...and that only brings the place down.

Overall, my experiences here have been great...there's been a few snags, but nothing I saw as deliberate...and nothing that left me hanging waiting for something I needed RIGHT NOW. Things happen, and we have to deal with them...HOW we chose to deal with them is up to us...but I've found that just being civil and straightforward works wonders in almost all cases...but maybe I've just been lucky?

[manyolcars]

I agreed to swap parts with a HAMBer. The parts I sent were heavy and took two boxes. He sent me sheetmetal rocker panels. Shipping for the parts I sent cost me as much as if I had paid full price for the rocker panels. I learned my lesson.

[55olds88]

So far so good from this neck of the woods, but reminds me I owe someone a mag or two, better get on to that.

[burger]

Having sold and bought A TON of parts through the HAMB classifieds, my only complaint is that I can't buy groceries from you guys. EVERY SINGLE ONE of my deals has worked out with both parties happy by the end of the deal. Sometimes it takes me a few weeks to mail something out. I have a family, a job, etc, and if you do to I think you'll understand that things come up. A few times people have told me they'll buy something and have later flaked out, but that's only a minor irritation.

Hamb: 1
eBay: 0

[Unkl Ian]

I would like to think MOST people here value their name and reputation on the HAMB enough
to try and be fair when dealing with each other.

[modernbeat]

Don't ask 286Merc about our deal.

He asked me to pick up some radio equipment for him. The guy wouldn't ship it - it was high end microware transmitters. After I got it - I found out why. Those peices were big and fragile. Scared me to death thinking how to pack it. I took 6 months to make boxes, poured urathane padding for it and shipped it. I remember puling up to UPS with the crates overflowing my bed. I was so embarassed by the amount of time I took, I couldn't dare ask to be reimbursed for the shipping charges. Carl told me later that he was going to use the transmitters to suplement his HAM-internet rig.

Flip side...

One of the Kontinentals needed a SBC for his truck. I cut him a can't-say-no deal, included all the accessories, and dropped it off in his garage.

Sent two sets of King Bee lights off this week. Each light was wrapped in bubble wrap and placed in a heavy box. The empty spaces in the box were packed tight with broken up styrofoam.

I've found that the two most common failures of packers are that they don't give a box enough interior support, and they don't prevent the contents from shifting inside the box. Packing a box tightly with broken styrofoam or poured urathane will fix most shipments.

[shoebox72]

When is the next Tech Week? How to properly pack parts for shipment. It will definately have Tech o matic potential.

Billy

[Crosley]

Some folks do not understand the not so "light touch" the shippers like Fed Ex , UPS , USPS have. So...... they pack the item real poorly.

The item then arrives with the sides of the box blown out

[59BuickWagon]

Just a couple of suggestions learned from shipping tons of aluminum over the years.

Don't put six inches of parts in an empty twelve inch box and then fill it up with six inches of styrofoam peanuts. Put peanuts in first then parts and more peanuts.

When you seal up the box don't use a half a roll of tape sealing the top and assume the bottom is OK because the box came to you that way. Flip the damn thing over and use up the rest of the roll:)

If you've got something really heavy like a manifold, pack it up real nice and get it ready to ship, then go find another box about 3" larger all around and pack the first box in the second. I know it's not a traditional box now that it has a modern crush zone but hopefully the receiving HAMBer won't mind!

Just my two cents.

Dennis

[Satinblack]

Amen Dennis! Yes don't put 50lbs worth of stuff in a box made for 10lbs. Its a pretty simple concept.

[59BuickWagon]

Of course having said all that let me tell you about my latest shipping debacle. We sent 30 plaques to the Irish Kustom Fedaration (yes in Ireland) and never heard anything. a month later we get two plaques in an envelope from the USPO with an apology that they didn't make it to their destination. The next day we got two more. The third day we get a call from a lady in in California accusing me of opening her package from her sister in France and taking out the food her sister sent her and putting in two of my plaques! Yes they were two of the IKF plaques that had crossed paths with a package going from France to California. So if you see a couple of plaques at Pomona you'll know where they came from http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Talked to my buddy who's a mucky muck at the USPO and he says they are always having trouble with things that go thru Customs. Seems they get opened and not necessarily repackaged to the sender's standards. Bottom line, I'm making 26 new plaques at my cost since the package wasn't insured:( Live and learn!

[desertratrodder]

Besides shipping problems, please do your best to describe your item properly..
I've seen cars on here described with minor rust, that had literally terminal and not feasibly possibly repairable rust.
And motors that were said to be rebuilt that were used and not even useable as-is junk. I went 400 miles one way to fetch that.
We have no reason to rook each other, and I know we all need some cash. But the damage it does here is like your best friend fuckin you, not some guy on ebay you can give a shit about.
And we aren't all shipping gurus, but think about how you would want it to get to you if you bought it.
Would you like your payment all torn up and not useable?

[ray]

well i'll be the first to admit, i'm slow as fuck! but this ain't ebay either, i try to give plenty fair deals though, and i pack shit to handle the apocolypse generally. pack your parts like you expect them to fall off the top shelf of the truck, cause they WILL fall off the top shelf of the truck! i know people who have worked for shipping companys, knowing that, i pack accordingly.

if i've been slow dealing with any of you this week, bear with me, it's cause i just got my riviera running this last week after an engine transplant/redneck rebuild! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif i got a certain milestone birthday coming up, and am damned determined to not let it pass without an old car to drive! we're talking basic human needs here! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif that's my excuse and i'm sticking to it!

[mr57]

I got bent over on a transaction with a fellow hamber on what I considered a favor to the guy - a service for some parts. I did the service, cost me $111.00 out of my pocket. In turn, the guy sold one of the parts, one that I really needed, and told me basically "oh well", and sent me some rusty crap that don't fit - wrong model, and way too much rust to ever be usable, more than 'shelf wear', bullshit NOS. Parts I can't use and would be embarassed to try and list on E-bay. He also promised to send me some money to cover the difference, and I guess the check is still in the mail.

Point of my rant here is I placed a little bit of faith in someone on this board and basically got fucked up the wazoo. I haven't seen him around here for a while, but I really hope he got a terminal case of crotch crickets or scrotal elephantisis.

YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE, DICKWEED, MAKE THIS RIGHT. You have had ample opportunity, but remember. ONE DAY THIS WILL BITE YOU IN THE ASS!!

[The37Kid]

I've read all the replies through page 2 before adding my thoughts. I haven't listed anything on HAMB, got the impression that you need to establish some kind of track record before you do, eBay is another story, been there for 5 years. Before eBay there were swap meets and face to face deals. I've never understood how you could misrepresent stuff, you can sell shit or NOS parts, and people will buy both if they know upfromt what it is. Mint and cherry are ice cream flavors and sould never be used to discribe auto parts. Surface rust in South Dakota is different that surface rust in Maine. Rust pits in one will fill with primer, otheres will take two coats of Bondo, be truthful with your discription, the buyer will see it eventually.
The only packageing item you should spend money on is tape, and don't be cheap on using it. Your local hardware store should have all the free boxes you need. Look around for other stores that get things in bubble wrap and styrofoam peanuts, stock up on this stuff if you plan to be shipping stuff. PVC pipe is great for shipping trim pieces.
Priority Mail is great for items up to 5 pounds, and the boxes are FREE! Over 5 pounds I like to use FedEx Ground. They both have websites so you can tell the buyer what shipping will cost. As a seller I feel that I should get the item to the buyer as quickly as possable for the least amount of shipping. This eliminates the brown truck people that sponsor the #88 Nextel car(no name mentioned).
Years ago I bought a NOS piece of 1937 Harley literature, and it was mailed to me in a Flat Rate Priority mail envelope. I was ten feet from my mail box the day it arrived, and saw the mailman FOLD IT and put it in the box! Because of that today everything I mail in a Flat Rate envelope has a precut piece of 1/8 plywood as an anti fold protector.

[Flat Ernie]

Here on The HAMB, I've been generally lucky. I don't buy/sell/trade a lot here, but the little bit I have done, has generally been very good. I had one guy back out of a deal (sellers remorse?) & a couple folks still haven't come through on their Wall O' Pinstripes panels, & had 2xHAMB calendars lost in the mail (thanks Mr. Postman!) - everything else has worked out pretty well...

As for packing - I do a fair amount of buying on eBay & it appalls me what passes for packaging material to some folks. When I was a kid, I worked in an avionics shop in their shipping/receiving dept - everything was packed for overkill, so I guess that's how I try to do most of my packing - it is amazing what happens to packages once they leave your care...

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[ESnacky6]

I am SERIOUSLY biting my tongue here.... we'll see if I last....

Last year I got 'burned' by TWO different 'Hambers'....

#1(from Concord, CA) said,
yeah sure, I have a mid-30's truck bed for sale, $300....
I said, SOLD..!! so hey, since Paso is in a week or so,
can you drop it off on your way down..??
Most likely, no problem..!! we'll keep in touch... was the reply...
I kept trying to get a meeting time/place(no response for days...!!)
and at the very last minute he says, you know,
I think I'm going to keep it afterall... sorry...

#2(from Tracy, CA) says,
yeah I have a '52(?) Desoto grill for sale, $200( I think it was..?)...
I said, SOLD..!! Hey since you're right by Pleasanton, and the
Goodguys show is this weekend, let's meet up there..?
Oh sorry, I'm not going this time around...
Oh, ok, I'll call you after I walk thru then,
and I'll be there within a half an hour...
Ok, cool, sounds good, see you then...
The next morning after I'm done walking the swap,(about 9:30am) I call...
Oh sorry, I just sold it to ANOTHER(!!!) Hamber just a while ago....

WHAT THE FUCK...???!!! these transactions weren't even FOR me..??!!!
they were for good friends of mine, who've been busting ass on their projects,
who were/ARE(!!!) looking for a few good parts,
who I'd been trying to tell about how 'neat and cool' the Hamb was..!!!!

KARMA IS A BITCH....!!!!!



flip side....

Mike Brimm(Kustombuilder) sent me a pair of door springs
for my Rivi FOR FREE..!!! the shipping cost was even on him....

Another Mike(earl schieb), sent me a headlight piece for 100% FREE as well..!!
I've had a few other transactions thru the Hamb classifieds
that have gone off without a hitch.... Thank you very much guys...!!!

I've been burned on ebay a few times as well, yet I've also scored some
of the best deals EVER as well.... So no 'real' complaints there...

I think overall, MOST Hambers are 'good people'....
In fact I've met some of my best friends ever on here....
there are just a few assholes and idiots thrown in to keep us on our toes....
(I guess...???)

AAArrrggghh...!!! Later... -Snacks....

[34 GAZ]

Actually it,s easy. Just put your ready packaged item in a second slightly larger box.

[Christian]

I got some 34 pu parts sent here from Mild Mitch, FOR FREE!
I sent him a box of Belgian chocolates.
I got a sew-on patch sent here from Happy Poppy.
I still have to send him something, been over a year... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif sorry dude.

[Petejoe]

I haven't bought or sold much here on the Hamb. But have had a few great guys here send me freebees. Their only repayment was to see as pic of it on the vehicle.
Cool huh!
I realize there are alot of people here on the Hamb and I realize there's a bad apples in every bunch. It really suprises and disheartens me to find out that there are so many unhappy customers. I will still buy or sell here but please guys take time to properly package and be accurate and timely on your delivery.

Ya know, my delivery girl can't be responsible for every package. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Ayers Garage]

I've got a HAMBer that offered to trade cars with me for my 54 Chevy. He has been stringing me along for 2 months now. I even offered to load it onto my trailer and tow it 6 hours to his place to do the deal. He made up excuses but assured me he was still a go on the deal. Now, it's been another month and he's still flaking on me.

I sure wish he would just step up and say yes or no, because while I really want his car, I need mine gone soon, one way or another.

[Kevin Lee]

I've traded, bought, sold, gotten free parts and given away some things myself - everything has gone pretty smoothly. Simple truth is my my car would not exist as it does if not for this place.

There have been misunderstandings but no one has ever tried to straight up just rip me off and I hope no one thinks I've been less than honest. I think I pack stuff RIGHT - but my biggest problem is probably procrastination. If money is exchanged then I get stuff sent out ASAP. If it's a trade I tend to be lax - and I should work on that. Apologies to nosurf and Hotroddrummer (I think?) for taking so long.

[Joe T Creep]

I have had good luck with Hambers and on ebay so I'm just a lucky bastard.

Maybe Ryan can setup a big brawl somewhere and all the people that have had problems can just get together and beat the hell outta each other and we can all watch.

Just an idea.....

Joe

[RPW]

I will add that O´Brien Truckers shipping works great!
Got a box with "Customs of Sweden" plaques 2 days ago, nothing damaged.
I seldom send parts, and if I do I give them away. Hate to make money out of friends, maybe I´m stupid but that the way it is. But I send magazines a lot of times (Lead News) and I hope they do reach the readers undamaged. If not, I will always send a new copy.

[FLAT-TOP BOB]

i have bought, sold and traded with a lot of hambers. i have even sent parts to guys with the understanding they would pay when the parts came in. i have had great luck from hambers all over the world and have the up most trust in the hamb world. but i do have two hambers that have not paid on deals! but that's just the real world, some in every crowd!

[2tall2beahotrodder]

I gotta admit, a few times its taking me a few extra weeks to ship some stuff off, but since they built a new post office things will be easier..


Ill publicly announce that i havnt received my stuff from
Flying Dutchman
and Wolfman Nick..

No parts involved, just cool shirts...

I had a hard time sending a express letter to Europe but that was over a month ago, and i havnt gotten a word... Same goes for nick..

I know its a pain to wait on line to send shit, but come on 2 months to send a lousy pound box?

Just my shittn luck..

[JOECOOL]

I ship things all the time here at work . The easiest way is to put the items in a garbage bag and get the air out as much as possible. Stick it in a box and put a can of expanding foam insulating stuff around it. Seal it up real fast before it starts coming out of the box.Several people have complained about how hard it is to get it cut out of the box but none ever complain about the condition.
On another note ,as a FNG I went for several months not realizing what the flashing envelope was for. I'm sure some people took that as me ignoring them ,I apologize.

[Mart]

JOECOOL:
I just read your note and found I had a flashing envelope!
Thanks! I never even noticed it.
Mart.

[Smokin Joe]

Ya know, my delivery girl can't be responsible for every package.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/image_uploads/470732-HAMB%20PARTS.jpg
I'm thinking outside the box right now... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[slowpoke]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm thinking outside the box right now... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[/ QUOTE ]
Shit, all I ever think about is the box. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Sry had too. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[El Caballo]

Caveat emptor. Buyer beware...Seller too. I have done both here, nobody ever bitched about what I sent them and anything I ever had a problem with was cleared up. There are two guys that owe me dough. I wouldn't drop a name unless it went too far.

I value my rep here on the board, this would be the last place I would ever not make a deal right. I too, have made friends here and my own personal honor forbids anything like that here.

[Roothawg]

I think if guys stiff ya....everyone deserves to know.

[Morrisman]

[ QUOTE ]
Some folks do not understand the not so "light touch" the shippers like Fed Ex , UPS , USPS have. So...... they pack the item real poorly.

The item then arrives with the sides of the box blown out

[/ QUOTE ]
Having been in the baggage handling department of a couple of airports, I always assume that the people handling anything sent by mail, UPS, Fedex, will toss it from one place to another as if it were a football. I always pack and wrap accordingly! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[El Caballo]

Root, agreed, but only after all real efforts have been made to resolve the situation.

With my luck, I'd bitch publicly and then the guy would come back, "Sorry, been in cancer treatment...dickhead."

[ESnacky6]

Oh yeah, I almost forgot....
A big thanks to Jerry(AZ) and Shag..!!

Almost 2 yrs. ago I put up a post looking for a roof from a 47-53 Chevy p/u...
Jerry had one, said he was going to the Hot Rod Reunion in Bakersfield,
and asked me if I was going... I said I wasn't, so instead of meeting
him personally, he dropped it off at Shag's house...
Shag held onto it for me until I made it out that way to pick it up,
and Jerry trusted me to send him the very reasonable amount of $$....
in fact, I sent it to him before I even picked the roof up,(sight unseen)
and when I did, it was in great shape..!!! Exactly what I needed...!!

plus, I ended up scoring a couple of parts from Shag when I
finally made out to his house as well..!!!(it was a month or so I think...)

So yeah, another example of 'good people' on the ol' Hamb....
also, take into consideration I was very newly registered,
and there was less that 3000 of 'us' at the time....

Thanks again guys..!!!! -Snacks....

[MercMan1951]

My two cents: in response to Desertratrodder's post about rusty cars...keep in mind that if you're from California (or anywhere deemed a place where "clean, rust-free old cars" come from, that most people from states like Wisconsin on Eastward have a whole different mindset when it comes to what is repairable/worth fixing. In my experience, something to me that has "repairable" rust, might look like the car sat on a river bottom for several years to someone from a "dry" state...We use salt on our roads in Michigan in the winter, and you'd be hard pressed to find a car that was 5 or 6 years old (and a daily driver) that didn't have the beginnings of rot-thru someplace underneath.

Bottom line: get as much detail on a car before you make a purchase, get pictures of common-rust prone areas, and decide if your skills and money match the guys' description of the rust. "Minimal rust" around here means: "there's more rust on the car than I care to descibe" and it probably needs a floorpan somewhere. "Minimal rust" in Texas or California to me means the paint is wasted and bare spots on the hood and trunk have begun to surface rust.

And, for an extra cent: That small 1/2 inch rust bubble under the paint is probably hiding an area of rot and pinholes 3 times as big that will require sheetmetal surgery... but what do I know? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[hagar]

I've bought 10-15 items here and no problem. However sent a moneyorder to someone from Texas for a piece of a '32 pickup door frame months ago and still waiting.i advertised some 305 SBC's here for cheap; got plenty of replies and be there soons,no one ever showed at 50 or 75 each. a few weeks ago I got bitched out for junking some frames in the classifieds,but had NO interest,only bitchers.I now buy here and have someone peddling on e-bay for me. Like most guys here I spend my money back on my projects from parts sales. A few bad apples leave a real bad taste.

[hammeredabone]

A coupla years ago I shipped Ryan some wheels and tires in a deal and frankly, I was the king of procrastinators, but he was Very understanding and didn't get excited and kick my ass off the board! Other dealings have gone very well for me with several people. There is only one citizen on here, I won't say rodder cause he's never built a car, who had totally memory loss when it came time to pay back on some freebies but hey, now I now what to expect from him in the future. One outta 5 thou ain't bad!
No drama just happy to be building again and that is totally due to this board.Thanks Ryan and you too Grim!

[59BuickWagon]

No problem Per. Got the Lead News today (made it thru undamaged too http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif). I'll have to get Luke to translate it for me this weekend!

[old beet]

Buy, sell, trade.....Never had a problem!!!!........OLDBEET

[Roothawg]

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Root, agreed, but only after all real efforts have been made to resolve the situation.

With my luck, I'd bitch publicly and then the guy would come back, "Sorry, been in cancer treatment...dickhead."


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That's my luck...... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[nzsimon]

Awhile ago I needed a steering column as some hambers deal in stuff I put out a call
One of the guys who shal remain anonamous quoted me a price when I checked it was more than retail
When I pulled him up on it he went into hate mode and has been there ever since
Now he putts rude comments on all my posts
simple really now I don't post much so all the tech stuff I learn while building my 32 I keep to my self

[Zapato]

dealin' on the HAMB can be both blessin' and curse. been burned a couple times for postage when shipped free parts, then have had Brewsir more than double the postage on some other free parts. one of the biggest problems is establishing condition of parts. what may be perfect or usable to you may be worse than the part I'm hoping to replace so then there are 2 additions to the scrap pile.

mostly its been incredible dealin' with guys on this board.freebies have come and have been sent many a time with no hassles, and mostly that's the way I clean out my garage. Once I had a guy in "La Florida" purchase at a swap meet a J2 tri-power manifold and ship it to me. He did the purchase and the mailing before I even knew the cost.

If someone burns you and you spot he's in the middle of a deal, it might be nice to warn the other side. that's been done for me a time or two.

I for one wouldn't want to be banished from the HAMB just over some lousy deal.


http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gifand by the way still looking for 51 ford radio knobs http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Satinblack]

Hey if its free I guess you can't bitch to bad if it shows up in pieces. The funny thing is I see so much bitching about the old guy has this car and wont get rid of it and its just rotting away, etc, etc. Well I think the same way about when things are neglected and arrive in pieces and are un repairable. Like cracked intakes and carbs and so forth. Hey those were vintage parts to and know are no good to anyone especially the buyer who spent his hard earned money on them and could have been hunting for quite a while to find them. Nuff Said. Satin

[Dirk35]

I havent had any problems either, knock on wood. I have had a few things take longer than expected. But, so far no problems.

[dixiedog]

I was pretty good at shipping stuff out as soon as I got paid, but then with work getting in the way and building a house on the side I dont have the time and I owe Dirk35 a big appology for me being a schmuck and taking so long to ship that grill to him.

My rant is with UPS - seems that whenever I ship something with my account the bill NEVER matches what there friggin website told me it would cost. I sold some bumpers on egay and they costed me an extra $80 to ship the damn things. They need to make the shipping calculator crap more realistic.

[slowpoke]

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My rant is with UPS - seems that whenever I ship something with my account the bill NEVER matches what there friggin website told me it would cost. I sold some bumpers on egay and they costed me an extra $80 to ship the damn things. They need to make the shipping calculator crap more realistic.

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I had a similar problem that luckily got comp'd by making a phone call to their service line. It was my first time shipping anything through them (UPS). The problem is <font color="red">most ppl go by weight to estimate what their pkg will cost</font>(Though extra heavy will still incure a charge of some kind). But <font color="red">actually the more important thing is physical space.</font> (ie. the more space it takes the less pkgs they can fit in the trucks/planes?etc.). Well that's what they told me the extra charge was for...my box was only half a pound but the box was 2'x2'. I sent two of the same pkg and the contents of both cost about $25 but the extra fee they wanted amounted to $150!

[Roothawg]

I loaned Dirk 35 some 35-36 Ford wood for the cab mounts and after he was done making himself a set, he made us a set!! Talk about a deal. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[NealinCA]

I have had great luck buying, selling, and trading parts on the HAMB.

My project would not be where it is with out this place.

Let me see...

pair of 32-34 pickup doors - Mild Mitch
30-31 Windshield posts and stanchions - Hammeredabone
39 rear crossmember - Grimlok
S-10 T-5, F1 shock mounts, 30-31 w/s frame - Creeper Larry
36 pedal assembly - Crestliner and porkshop
36 Clutch arm for bellhousing - Bruce Lancaster
Steering arm "hoop" - Tommy
Bear claw latches - 13horrorshow13
Lever shocks - HotrodVon
Steering column and lock - Radshit
Front spring - TV
Upper door hinges - Fordnutz (he even mailed me back $3 because shipping was less!)
32 firewall patch - hotrodron
32 grill shell patch - chopt32 (Gunar)

Some were trades, some freebies, some just plain good deals.

38Chevy454 (Terry) even hauled some of this stuff from the HAMB drags back to CA for me.

Thanks to everyone so far. I'm not done yet http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Neal

[Satinblack]

Never had a problem finding stuff, just getting it here timely or in one piece http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif. Thanks for the list of people that you have made good deals with. I will try them if ever they have something I need. Satin

[Rocky]

I once shipped BLEH a caddy stick bellhousing and flywheel. When it got to Las Vegas, the damn bellhousing was broken! Now, how in the wide, wide world of sports do you bust a cast iron bellhousing? I axed him what he wanted to do about it and he said he was gonna have a guy weld it back up but Jesus! They musta parked the UPS truck on it or sumthun.

[MercMan1951]

You know, in response to slowpoke, I am beginning to wonder what's up with UPS...I usually use them because they have a drop off place about 1 minute away from my work, but I have been thinking lately that their pricing/size/weight stuff doesn't add up.

I have bought and sold countless items thru e-bay, and the vast majority of items has arrived or been shipped thru UPS.

I have sent off many packages this year, and generally use their calculator on their website to try and come up with a rough estimate of what something will cost, so I can inform the buyer.

Most recently, I sold a non-working digital camera to someone on the Hamb who wants to try and repair it. The price wasn't much, and I figured I'd include shipping into the price and be done with it...well, I packaged up the camera in a box that was MAYBE 6 inches square, (a small box) that I had received from a purchase on a previous E-Gay aution...I think the US postal price sticker was like $2.50 or something on the original box. I compared that to the location it came from, and to where I was sending it and figured that UPS would be about the same. This box, well packaged and secured, weighed about a pound. If that.

I went to UPS, and I pulled out a $10 bill, expecting something like 3 or 4 bucks to ship it from Michigan to Vermont (not exactly across the US to California or anything)...and was shocked when the lady said $9.75. WHAT!? That's 1/3 of what I sold it for!

Now, mind you, if I had never shipped anything before, I may have paid the price and be done with it. But I have shipped GRILLES for '70's cars that weighed about 10 pounds in box measuring 2 foot square from Michigan to Las Vegas...that cost me $15 bucks...how is it that a 1 pound, 6 inch square box costs a third of what something 10 times it's size and weight costs to send it even FARTHER away???

I have heard the USPS offers the most affordable (next to Greyhound for large stuff) way to ship, (plus free boxes)...and I am going to look in to that.

And BTW, the 3 dealings I have had with HAMBers went very well...no problems here...

Anyone else have inconsistencies with UPS????

[Flat Ernie]

For stuff under 5lbs, it's hard to be USPS Priority Mail.

Big bulky items - if it works for you - Greyhound

More often than not, FedEX ground will be UPS ground on price.

Just my $.02

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[TagMan]

I advertised for a couple of small parts in the Classifieds and had a HAMBer send 'em to me for only the postage. Granted, they were not big item parts, but I needed them. Not only did he send them for the cost of the postage, he sent them BEFORE he received payment! I sent an extra $5 to cover his time driving to the Post Office.

I also bought some trim rings from a HAMBer, off the Classifieds, a month ago and sent a money order the same day. A couple of days later I get an email that he received my $$$, but was going on a MONTH'S vacation and wouldn't be able to ship them until mid-July!! To date, still no trim rings.

If you're going to sell something, be responsible and ship the stuff expediantly, not when it fits into your schedule. If you can't ship something for a f'n month, advertise it later, when you CAN ship it in a timely manner. As far as I'm concerned, taking a month to ship something is like telling the Buyer that he isn't important enough to bother about - kinda like a "fuck you, pal"!!