Ever seen a firetruck smoke the tires?

[Flipper]

I think my Seagrave project is taking a fun turn.

http://i5.ebayimg.com/02/i/02/16/4c/a3_12_s.JPG

It is the same powerplant as the Blastolene Special. I plan on making enough mods to make it unique. I can't wait to go pick it up.

[Nick32vic]

Thats AWESOME Flipper! Cant wait to see it done! How long do you think it will be before its on the road?

Nick

[Kerry]

What does that thing displace? Cool!

[Morrisman]

Oh man, where'd you find that thing????
I saw a Rolls Royce Merlin V12 on eBay UK last week. Dude wanted £20,000 for it!!!!! Outta my league I'm afraid http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Flipper]

1790 cubic inches of Continental V-12!!!!

This one came off of ebay.....$860

[Flipper]

The intake/exhaust arrangement is assed backwards on this thing.

Any ideas for cool intakes?

Anybody know if the cooling fans blow up or down?

[Flat Ernie]

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Anybody know if the cooling fans blow up or down?

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Don't know for sure, but I'd guess down...but it's only a guess.

That thing is cool...

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[stealthcruiser]

my guess would be up,since the heat is already heading that way.
cool ass engine!

[Radman]

I had a buddy that redid a school bus as a cmpaer with a big caddy engine in it. That thing would smoke'em!

[cleatus]

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I plan on making enough mods to make it unique.

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uh...like it's not already unique to put a tank motor in an old firetruck?

[Charlie Chops 1940]

Gas or Diesel? Get a manual with it? Give me a Model No., like AVDS1790-2A or whatever and I'll see if we can round up a manual or two.

Are you a U.S. citizen?

Charlie

[cornfieldrodder]

Six monster SUs out each side would look preety cool.

[Flipper]

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I plan on making enough mods to make it unique.

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uh...like it's not already unique to put a tank motor in an old firetruck?

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...just to differentiate myself from the car that Randy Grubbs built (Blastolene Special)

[Flipper]

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Gas or Diesel? Get a manual with it? Give me a Model No., like AVDS1790-2A or whatever and I'll see if we can round up a manual or two.

Are you a U.S. citizen?

Charlie

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Its a gas burner. AV-1790-5B I think. I'll know for sure this weekend.

Yep, I'm a U.S. Citizen. Born and raised in Memphis, TN Why?

[metalshapes]

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Any ideas for cool intakes?

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How about a 6-71 on each bank?
And for the exhaust, build the headers so they evenly space the firing order, for a nice bunch of spagetti on top of your engine...

Cool find man!

[SlowLearner]

Flipper, that is NUTS!! Think of cubic inch (or H.P) per DOLLAR!!!

All I want is a SEAGRAVE V-12 ferchrissakes!

[Unkl Ian]

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How about a 6-71 on each bank?

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Not big enough. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Some people will reccomend a 4-71 for a SBC on the street,a 6-71 for a BBC.
This thing is bigger than 4 average BBCs combined.

[burger]

Yes.

If you go to a larger rural fire truck convention, they often have competitions where two trucks square up at a line, drive approx 1/8 mile, stop, and race to see who can hook up to a hydrant first.

I'd guess that you plan on entering such competitions and winning.


Ed

[metalshapes]

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How about a 6-71 on each bank?

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Not big enough. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Some people will reccomend a 4-71 for a SBC on the street,a 6-71 for a BBC.
This thing is bigger than 4 average BBCs combined.

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OK, two per side then... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Flat Ernie]

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Yep, I'm a U.S. Citizen. Born and raised in Memphis, TN Why?

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Just a guess, but I'll bet it's because he's trying to get your actual T.O. type data that has releasability clauses attached to it. Although I doubt it would truly be applicable after all these years - there's a blanket 25yr waiver for most info - including classified.

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[Charlie Chops 1940]

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Gas or Diesel? Get a manual with it? Give me a Model No., like AVDS1790-2A or whatever and I'll see if we can round up a manual or two.

Are you a U.S. citizen?

Charlie

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Its a gas burner. AV-1790-5B I think. I'll know for sure this weekend. (/qoute)

Basically the manuals are technical data for use by U.S. persons (essentially U.S. citizens), but if it's a gasser anything that might be around will be in the public domain though it's gonna be hard to find a manual as they were last made 30-40 years ago, but I'll see what I can do for ya. The AVDS stands for Air-cooled, V-12, Diesel, Supercharged, although they are really turbos on the diesels. Send me a PM when you know the model no. and I'll see what I can do. Used to work for the old Continental Motors and still have an "in" or two.

Charlie

Charlie

[Flipper]

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Gas or Diesel? Get a manual with it? Give me a Model No., like AVDS1790-2A or whatever and I'll see if we can round up a manual or two.

Are you a U.S. citizen?

Charlie

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Its a gas burner. AV-1790-5B I think. I'll know for sure this weekend. (/qoute)

Basically the manuals are technical data for use by U.S. persons (essentially U.S. citizens), but if it's a gasser anything that might be around will be in the public domain though it's gonna be hard to find a manual as they were last made 30-40 years ago, but I'll see what I can do for ya. The AVDS stands for Air-cooled, V-12, Diesel, Supercharged, although they are really turbos on the diesels. Send me a PM when you know the model no. and I'll see what I can do. Used to work for the old Continental Motors and still have an "in" or two.

Charlie

Charlie



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Thanks for the offer. I pick it up on Friday. You should get a PM on Saturday.

-Richard

[Unkl Ian]

According to a page on blastolene.com,those motors are 7 feet long and weigh 2500lbs. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[Flipper]

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According to a page on blastolene.com,those motors are 7 feet long and weigh 2500lbs. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

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Jay Leno isn't exactly a little guy.

Anybody know the story on the beer keg bike in the background?

http://popularmechanics.com/automotive/sub_coll_leno/2004/5/hot_rod/images/tb_leno2-lg.jpg

[50mercfan]

thats a steam powered motorcycle.

[redpunk]

Oh Man, I cant wait to see that thing done... Unreal

[Flipper]

We are home. This a big mofo.

[Flipper]

Exhaust (12 oz coke for reference)

[Flipper]

Intake. (same coke)

[Flipper]

Is there anybody here that can hook a brother up with a couple of used big-assed turbochargers?

[metalshapes]

I can't wait to see this thing take shape!
You were asking about the direction of the cooling fans earlyer.
Looking at the shape of the fins, I think the hot air gets blown up.
Turbos sound like a good idea, just incase you ever run into Leno... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Flat Ernie]

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Is there anubody here that can hook a brother up with a couple of used big-assed turbochargers?

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Can't help, but might point you in the right direction - lots of Japanese heavy equipment (Kobelco, Kubota, Komatsu, etc) use big turbos on their diesels - might be a place to start...

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[Crosley]

Leno mentioned the hot air comes out the top of the engine.

Seems like they were looking at adapting some over-drive Allison tranny to the engine.

[Flipper]

I think I want to hook a manual trans up to mine.

[Flat Ernie]

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I think I want to hook a manual trans up to mine.

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Now THAT'S sick! I like it! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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[Gracie]

How about this firetruck...

[Flat Ernie]

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How about this firetruck...

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Shows ya what I know...here all this time I thought firetrucks helped PUT OUT the fires... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


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[gofast62]

hey gracie, i saw that 40 run! man its fast!

[Flipper]

A couple of pics from this weekend

[Flipper]

front fender mocked up. ....that is a 22.5 wheel

[Flipper]

roller valvetrain and huge freakin' valve springs. Did someone mention that this thing was a twin plug HEMI?

[Flipper]

rear wheel. it is a 24.5

The rear is gonna get lowered a bit. The fender may get raised on the body to get the whole thing down more.

[Flipper]

Here is the grill shell mocked up in front of the motor. There is stuff hanging out the sides.

This is a stock shell. I haven't figured out if this is what I am going to run or not.

[earl schieb]

Ten lug dubs.....hmmm....you tryin to be some kinda goldchainer? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Where's the tank motor go---undercab, midship or??

[Flipper]

...just in case you wanted to see one with the front end

[Unkl Ian]

I like the look of the cylinder heads sticking out past the grill shell.

How does the length of the motor compare to the engine bay ?
Will the stock carb location clear the fenders ?

[Flipper]

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I like the look of the cylinder heads sticking out past the grill shell.

How does the length of the motor compare to the engine bay ?
Will the stock carb location clear the fenders ?

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The new motor is quite a bit longer (maybe a foot and a half?) We haven't exactly figured out what/where it is gonna get cut....recess firewall vs move cowl back. We are also looking at possibly raising/lowering drivetrain.

The stock intake manifolds will probably get replaced by something different. ...not sure. over all packaging may help decide.

[Morrisman]

I think the cylinder head will stick out past everything
That sucker is BIG:
http://img74.photobucket.com/albums/v225/Pburgess68/Randy-trans.jpg

http://img74.photobucket.com/albums/v225/Pburgess68/Randy-early.jpg

[Unkl Ian]

My first impression would be to move the cowl back,and make a longer hood.
But I'm sure it's easier to say than it is to do.

[Flipper]

I don't feel real bad about cutting on this one. Somebody beat me to it. This truck came from the factory with a roof. My research efforts revealed that Grand Island, Nebraska fire dept cut the roof of it in 1961.

[metalshapes]

So this thing is OHC, right?
How hard would it be to swap the heads, left to right?
It might be easyer to have the exhausts on the sides, and the intakes on top...

[Flipper]

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So this thing is OHC, right?
How hard would it be to swap the heads, left to right?
It might be easyer to have the exhausts on the sides, and the intakes on top...

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My dad asked the same thing. One cam is longer than the other to compensate for the stagger of the cylinder banks left to right. I don't know if that could be overcome (cheaply).

[Unkl Ian]

Then you need a special cam made.

That swap has been done on Moto Guzis,and requires a special reversed cam.

[metalshapes]

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I don't know if that could be overcome

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That is a good excuse to put some hotter cams in it...
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[metalshapes]

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Then you need a special cam made.

That swap has been done on Moto Guzis,and requires a special reversed cam.

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On a Moto Guzi you would have to turn the head around.
on this engine you could keep the heads pointed in the same direction, since there is a left bank and a right bank.
but the difference in cam lengths is a problem...

[Unkl Ian]

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That is a good excuse to put some hotter cams in it...

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Good luck finding someone who has a cam grinding machine long enough.

[Flipper]

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I don't know if that could be overcome

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That is a good excuse to put some hotter cams in it...
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Actually I almost pissed on myself when I saw the stock cam lobes. It has a very aggressive roller cam in it stock. Ramp up is very quick, lift is high, flat across the top of the lobe and then a quick ramp down.

[metalshapes]

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Good luck finding someone who has a cam grinding machine long enough.

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Yeah, that could be difficult... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Morrisman]

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Yeah, that could be difficult...

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Honda CBX 1000 motorcycle cams were made in two halfs, and joined in the centre with an Oldham coupling. Makes them easier to manufacture and allows 'less accurate' alignment of the machined cam journals in the heads. Just a thought.

[dixiedog]

That is awlsome!!! - If you are going to run it without sides on the hood, chrome rocker covers would look killer!

[Flipper]

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Turbos sound like a good idea, just incase you ever run into Leno... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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I just got off the phone with Randy (the guy who built the Blastolene Special) and he said that Jay Leno was having turbos installed on his car (by Gale Banks). Randy says he is in the process of building another tank powered hot rod and that he supplied a engine/trans combo to another guy. That means at least 3 more out there other than mine.

Hell, if they keep popping up.....we might have our own class at the drags.

[Flipper]

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How about a 6-71 on each bank?

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Not big enough. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Some people will reccomend a 4-71 for a SBC on the street,a 6-71 for a BBC.
This thing is bigger than 4 average BBCs combined.

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OK, two per side then... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


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While surfing the web, I found this. They swapped the heads around so that the intake is on top....

.....and mounted three 6-71(?) blowers in-line !!!!!!!

[Flipper]

Also found this one. They turned the heads around too. This one is turbo'd. ....but the thing that is cool to me is that they ditched the big assed gearbox thing on the front of the motor. I guess they found another way to run the ignition, oil pump, fuel pump and starter.

[metalshapes]

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How about a 6-71 on each bank?

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Not big enough. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Some people will reccomend a 4-71 for a SBC on the street,a 6-71 for a BBC.
This thing is bigger than 4 average BBCs combined.

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OK, two per side then... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


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While surfing the web, I found this. They swapped the heads around so that the intake is on top....

.....and mounted three 6-71(?) blowers in-line !!!!!!!

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Now THAT is a Hot Rod Engine!!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[OldSub]

Years ago I drove a truck that had a Cummins 903 V-8. It had a turbo. Two of those would be enough for this thing....