Brushed Aluminum paint effect?? [Archive]

modernbeat

07-13-2004, 09:24 AM

I'm no fan of the modern Ford truck that Jimmy Shine did, but I was able to look at it and see something I really liked. A few of the trim parts were painted and had an effect applied that made them look like brushed aluminum. The two late model Lincolns in the bay next to the truck had the same paint on the grilles and other trim parts.

I liked it.

Some were a satin/matte finished and some had a thick shiny clearcoat over the trim. I'm less interested in that, but it shows that they thought that the finish could hold up without a heavy protective coat.

So, how's it done? And don't point me to the craft store with the fake marbling kits. I don't think that stuff will hold up on a car.

Jdee

07-13-2004, 10:12 AM

I use powdered Aluminum and Fiberglass resin.
You need to thin the resin with Styrene Monomer
It just thinner for the resin. Mix powder with resin and spray
on ....real tough stuff, I'm using copper on my Horns http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I get the powder from plateall.com, they have a resin mix but i think its real expensive. The powder is not bad.
Once dry you work it like real metal.
Jdee

http://woodgraining.com/photos/metal/BUCKETS3.JPG http://woodgraining.com/photos/metal/bucket.jpg http://woodgraining.com/photos/metal/copper1.JPG

cornfieldrodder

07-13-2004, 10:56 AM

Too damn cool! How does it hold up to heat? Exhaust manifolds are out of the question, but how about blocks, intakes, ect.? Can it handle the stresses of being on the wheels of a driven car?
More info, please

cornfieldrodder

07-13-2004, 10:57 AM

Hey, I'm an addict, now. Umm, gee, thanks, Ryan.

KCsledz

07-13-2004, 11:06 AM

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Too damn cool! How does it hold up to heat? Exhaust manifolds are out of the question, but how about blocks, intakes, ect.? Can it handle the stresses of being on the wheels of a driven car?
More info, please

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Taking in to account the description of it being a resin with powder mix i wouldn't use int on high heat applications. It would age, yellow a bit and crack like the surface of an old boat or surf board,

cool57

07-13-2004, 11:38 AM

Wow! That is some fascinating stuff! So Jdee, you are using Plate All powder with another companies resin(adhesive/thinner http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif)?
I can see lots of really neat uses in automotive applications if it holds up to weather. How much experience do you have with this stuff?

Jdee

07-13-2004, 01:20 PM

I have not sprayed any in a while. It is tough stuff.
High heat area? I can't say how it would hold up, Its only going to bond and hold up as good as the resin used.
So far It seems way stronger than any paint!
I think Plateall.com will send you free samples if you ask.
I used cheap lay up resin and Styrene Monomer to thin, and then used their mix ratios. I got the Styrene Monomer from fiberglast.com It works like they say it does.
Jdee
I mixed some brass powder and Aluminum and got a cool White Gold look, kind of neat, But for what I don't know http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Jdee
Copper wheel off my Buick
http://woodgraining.com/photos/metal/coppert.jpg

Empire32

07-13-2004, 01:30 PM

WOW ! thanks !
Fuckin good idea !

trey

07-13-2004, 02:16 PM

hey, thats pretty friggin sweet. does a few pounds go a long way? its pretty expensive, by my standards. 1/2 lb for 15 bucks. is that enough to do a set of 7" headlight buckets? what kind of gun do you use to spray it. i think the site said hvlp, but i was wondering if that was the standard

trey

modernbeat

07-13-2004, 02:18 PM

Jackpot!

Three Stars!

The37Kid

07-13-2004, 02:37 PM

Looks great, but I have a question. Just thinking out loud there was powdered aluminun in the finish of the Hindenberg, the airship that burned to the ground in the 1930's. Has anyone test sprayed a piece and hit it with a torch to see what happens?

Jdee

07-13-2004, 02:37 PM

I think they have a web page that tells how many sq feet per pound the stuff does. You are only going to spray one coat cuz its thick stuff Like spraying Feather Fill Primer thick like mud. I used a Sata Primer Gun 1.8 tip I think
turn up the air to 80 to 85 and use a small fan,
They have good instructions on the site.
Nice people, I just could not find the bucks for the resin, so I made my own. I would say get some samples
" samples already sprayed out"
from them and Check out the finishes, Get the finest Powder the have, Some is grainy if thats a word http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif and don't polish up as good.
Jdee

I did this old cement Planter with brass..
The grainy brass just polished up the edges, looked neat..
http://woodgraining.com/photos/metal/brass.JPG

trey

07-13-2004, 02:40 PM

ok, 1.8 mm. thats what i was wondering, but i asked wrong. so the fine stuff polishes up pretty good? this would beat the hell out of chrome plating, since we dont have anyone local to do it. i could do my headlight buckets, and grill shell!

trey

DrJ

07-13-2004, 02:50 PM

One of the products here will do what you want.
http://www.sculptnouveau.com/

He has been known to run a foundry too but I don't know if he is currently.

(I do know the owner, but I have no personal interest in the company so this isn't spam...) http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Unkl Ian

07-13-2004, 02:58 PM

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there was powdered aluminun in the finish of the Hindenberg, the airship that burned to the ground in the 1930's.

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Once they are combined,the metal powder in the resin wouldn't be any more flamible
that the resin itself.

Jdee

07-13-2004, 03:08 PM

Yeah it will polish up but not like chrome.
Would probably need a thin coat of clear over it to keep it purty http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Jdee
Old test photo I brushed the stuff on thick.
http://woodgraining.com/photos/metal/neat.jpg

slammed

07-13-2004, 04:34 PM

Tech Up people! Save this one, it's a keeper.

burger

07-13-2004, 05:13 PM

Here's something a little easier --

Rustoleum brush-on aluminum paint covered in Rustoleum spray bomb clear.

I'm sure there isn't any real aluminum in the paint, but it does give you a finished product that looks like brushed aluminum and is a tough as Rustoleum.

Ed

Big A

07-13-2004, 05:20 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Just thinking out loud there was powdered aluminun in the finish of the Hindenberg, the airship that burned to the ground in the 1930's. Has anyone test sprayed a piece and hit it with a torch to see what happens?

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Should be ok as long as you don't fill the rest of the car with hydrogen.

Unkl Ian

07-13-2004, 06:31 PM

I checked out the coating used on the Hindenburg.
Aside from containing Aluminum dust,
the combination was chemically very similar to modern day solid rocket fuel. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Let's see,a flamible coating surrounding a flammable gas.Great combination. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Stupidest part of the whole thing was they had a specially insulated smoking lounge on board.

Jdee

07-13-2004, 07:11 PM

The funny thing is I had my Silver Nitrate on the shelve above my powdered Aluminum, And on some site I seen some junk about a Silver nitrate Bomb http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif The two parts are these I guess.
I keep that stuff apart now. The silver nitrate is in the Chrome Paint system I was messing with. Like for re-doing mirrors. Gotta watch those chems around the shop for sure.
I'd hate to see my headlights blow up going down the road!
But if they Do I hope I get some video of it http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Then it could go on the MFS DVD 2 http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Jdee

trey

07-13-2004, 07:28 PM

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The silver nitrate is in the Chrome Paint system I was messing with. Like for re-doing mirrors.

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so you have more info to share with us. haha, gotta stop holding out man!

trey

Unkl Ian

07-13-2004, 08:05 PM

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gotta stop holding out man!

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Wizards might tell you everything YOU know,

but won't tell you everything THEY know. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Jdee

07-13-2004, 08:21 PM

All I got is a half jar of F15 Silver HOK Flake For Nads
If I ever see him here in Florida!

Cuz last time I sprayed that shit My cat chainsaw looked like some kind of Robo Cat http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Jdee
De-flaked robo cat.

http://woodgraining.com/photos/cato.jpg

ray

07-14-2004, 03:07 AM

[ QUOTE ]
I checked out the coating used on the Hindenburg.
Aside from containing Aluminum dust,
the combination was chemically very similar to modern day solid rocket fuel. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Let's see,a flamible coating surrounding a flammable gas.Great combination. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Stupidest part of the whole thing was they had a specially insulated smoking lounge on board.

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amazing ain't it? seems to be quite the coverup had been pulled off for years. the explosion likely would have happened had the hindenburg been filled with inert gas.

and as far as tech, this coating is something i've been pondering quite a few times lately, thanks Jdee!

Kustombuick

07-14-2004, 06:37 PM

Thats some cool shit, gonna have to give it a try. Thanks for everyones input, Alan

burger

07-14-2004, 11:14 PM

JDee,

Does the copper tarnish like "real" copper?

Thanks,
Ed

Jdee

07-15-2004, 08:17 AM

I just went out and checked the wheel I did last year.
It had a real light coat of copper. The gun I had would not spray it right "tip to small" But I wiped off a spot and you can see that with no protection, It gets real old looking.
Lots of green gunk,
Jdee
http://woodgraining.com/photos/metal/wheel.jpg

leeco

05-01-2011, 03:57 PM

PinHead

05-01-2011, 07:34 PM

Old thread here, but still a goodie.

Has anybody done this with a flat or matte finish clear, to produce more of a "cast" type effect? It'd be a nice way to preserve a freshly blasted iron intake.

leeco

05-02-2011, 06:11 PM

I could do with some info on this before I get the stuff to mess about with but if not I will try work it out.

31Vicky with a hemi

05-02-2011, 06:46 PM

I could do with some info on this before I get the stuff to mess about with but if not I will try work it out.

The tread is 7 years old, be patient
cool as hell I want to know some more also.

pick

05-02-2011, 07:02 PM

Matthews, a company that caters to the sign industry has a paint called "brushed aluminum" which works real well and simple to spray

leeco

05-03-2011, 04:46 PM

The tread is 7 years old, be patient
cool as hell I want to know some more also.

Ok I will be, I have tryed searching google and can't find any info on this process. It looks realy good what that guy on here did and would love to know how he did it and the stuff on the plateall site looks very good too.

leeco

05-04-2011, 05:19 PM

I am going to turn one of these gold.

http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu80/leeeeeeds/CF1qinQmkKGrHqUOKpoE0VRseeQBNWWdiWhw_3.jpg

Jdee

05-21-2011, 09:30 AM

I just went out and shot a small video just to show what this copper looks like after however many years it's been? Just my rear window moldings that I never finished up. I have done concrete with a brass finish a bronze finish would be nice to. I guess to make the finished look neat is after bringing the finish up to a nice shine you don't have to worry about the small indentations because you can wax the concrete part with Johnson's paste wax and give it a look like it just came from the foundry. That way you don't have to get into those tiny crevices to make them mirror like, plus it tarnishes just like real metal so it is kind of a neat finish. I never really did get into doing this finish but I'm sure there's a lot that can be done with it. I think my mix was by volume 50% metal 50% fiberglass layup resin then just add enough styrene monomer to get it to spray through my primer gun at about 90 PSI to 100 psi. It will not spray out smooth like paint it almost looks like spraying fine concrete or something similar to that you can see in the video the grainy kind of finish after spraying. I think my gun had a 1.8 tip or a 2.0 tip.
Well I hope this helps a little bit anyway I was just experimenting I never really got that good at the finish. But I can say it sure does hold up good. The Plate all guys were a big help and good to deal with back then also.
9Yd9-R36Gbo

paul hebert

05-21-2011, 09:55 AM

Thanks for the tip, looks great.

31Vicky with a hemi

05-21-2011, 10:36 AM

Thanks for the update jdee.
Amazing the stuff available out there.
I have some pieces I want to try that on.

1 Hotrod

05-22-2011, 09:09 AM

Interesting stuff for sure, what has to be done to prepare the piece being sprayed first?

Jdee

05-22-2011, 11:36 AM

I just used epoxy primer. Nothing on the concrete.
Its not super cheap, so I would always do a test part first.
I guess the copper gets used on the bottom of boats cuz nothing wants to live on copper:D
Jdee

69fury

05-22-2011, 12:51 PM

Subscribed.

Really interested in this process. The site you posted doesn't list alot of info- are you on your own for mixing ratios or do they have recommended amounts to add to the resin?

-rick

leeco

05-23-2011, 06:17 AM

Thanks for your help. This site sells metal powder and also says the 50 - 50 mixing ratio is best. http://www.cfsnet.co.uk/acatalog/CFS_Catalogue__Metal_Powders_407.html

plate4life09

06-08-2011, 10:10 AM

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