A HAMB Experiment.what do you pay for parts?

[Tman]

OK, I have a decent proposistion for ya'all. It seems we all pay different prices for like parts around the country. My thought is to post a couple Brake Part #s and see the disparity betweens locations. I am pulling the numbers out of a Wagner book. If you could hit your local parts house and inquire the pricing, I think it would help all of us.

Please post: Your location, brand of Store, price, and part number if it is a cross reference OTHER than Wagner.

Thanks in advance, Trent

RIGHT front Wheel Cylinder, 42-48 Ford WAGNER #F8265

Master Cylinder 1967-68 Mustang 1" Bore,non disk WAGNER #F73323

These are just Common numbers out of my Wagner book, tell yer parts guy they are WAGNER numbers and please report back? With several levels of pricing, I am curious how we are treated in various parts houses.

[stoggie]

This will be great experiment for new stuff I will see what I can find down here but...It seems to me the used stuff is what is out-o-sight. Rocky mentioned in a post earlier today the price of stuff at GG Des Moines. I had talked to him about prices that day too. Used "vintage" stuff is way more than new http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
The disparity is what takes the fun out of this stuff. Great idea here.

[enjenjo]

WAGNER #F8265 NAPA $45 Partsmaster $38

WAGNER #F73323 NAPA $56 Partsmaster $54

[FLAT-TOP BOB]

in down town wellington texas napa store
wagner
f8265 73.01
f73323 88.83
in childress texas independent
wagner
f8265 47.35
f73323 56.70
i bet you can tell where i go to buy

[Fat Hack]

My guy says the wheel cylinder is a special order part and runs $64

He came up empty on the master cylinder based on the number, but using the application he said he could get a rebuilt one for $26 plus a $5 core today.

[choprods]

where I buy my stuff[O'Reillys auto parts] here said they couldnt get that wheel cyl, butonly get a rebuid kit.....
master cyl was 18.00 rebuilt/no core
ALSO I found this interestng Ebay deal------
ONE PAIR of new wheel cylinders for 17.00-shipped to you and they have 1600 applications covered at that price! ebay Item#7909273243. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Antibilly]

#F8265 $47.35
#F73323 $56.00 NEW

ORLANDO FL 32806

[Mutt]

At my local Carquest:

Wheel cylinder $31.46
M/C $63.27

They don't carry Wagner - they use Carquest brand, made by Raybestos. The numbers were the same, however.

That is the Jobber price - my parts guy treats me like I was a shop...parts are new and available next day.

Mutt

[Tman]

Carquest F8265 98.56 NAPA 71.95
Carquest F73323 118.11 NAPA 88.89
I didnt say who I was, both houses know me, that was "off the street prices"!

[OGNC]

Okay, I called 3 places here in OC/South Bay of Los Angeles.

First, NAPA in the city of Orange:
wheel cylinder: $67.97
master cylinder: $83.88 (new) or $25.69 plus $19.00 core (reman)

Second, CH Topping in Long Beach (specializes in hot rod brakes)
wheel cylinder $100.00 (OUCH!)
master cylinder $140.00 (DOUBLE OUCH!)

Third, CW Moss Ford Restoration parts in the city of Orange

Wheel Cylinder: $45.00
Master Cylinder $85.00 (NOS PART ON THE MASTER!)

[Rocket88]

Lordco, up here in B.C.
cyl - $35.58
master - $83.11
They even had them in stock!

[GRADY]

Up here in Fargo, called my supplier that is supposed to be owned by the same parent company, I will not name them, but they crossed the Wagner numbers to their own brand(not specified)....
f8265 became a WC8265 $49.80 my price...$94.85 retail
f73323 became a MC36222 $58.97 my price...$112.32 retail
I hope this helps you out Trent
Grady

[19Fordy]

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gifOk, so we all can see that we are getting hammered and paying top dollar if we don't operate a business. How can the average car guy who deson't own a business get a decent discount? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Tman]

Interesting disparity!

For guys that arent hooked up in a shop I would reccomend building a rapport with ONE parts house and ONE parts guy! It really helps. Also, going in with part #s to save them time. I have copies of brake,electrical,plumbing,and shock interchange books. They are old ones the shop throws out every year, my parts guy gives me a spare copy.

Also, finding a part that will interchange can save you dollars. My boss was rebuilding an old hotrod, it had a 51 GMC front end under it. Wholesale on a wheel cylinder for that app. was around $50, we found a 60s Ford PU of the same bore and it was $12!!!!!!!!!

[choprods]

too- ya gotta consider the market for a part in the pricing.
Say for example you want a wheel cylinder and or a Master cylinder for a 36 chevy.
The wheel cyl would likely be a one or two year fit- only and the master, if I remember would be an inclusive PEDAL MOUNT!=SEE THAT IS NARROW MARKET WIDTH.....
Now on the other hand if you wanted a wheel cyl or a master cyl to use on Ford brakes- theres a lot of dual useage and a broad coverage of fitment there.
AND a lot of trailer brake set ups are based on theses older FORD brakes......you can go into most any FARM Store and see a complete backing plate with new wheel cylinder and brake shoes including all hardware AS A ONE UNIT PRICED at about 90 dollars!
there beside the brakes, you will also most likely find wheel bearings and dust covers etc that are useable too! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Tman]

Sure, now you tell me Kenny!

[choprods]

Seriosly Trent I didn't cause figured ya was there already--If I know something its usually a fact that Im the last one on earth to hear it! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Mutt]

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http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gifOk, so we all can see that we are getting hammered and paying top dollar if we don't operate a business. How can the average car guy who deson't own a business get a decent discount? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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When I left Ohio, I left all of my sources and 'ins' that I had. I started going to the local Carquest after a bad experience with the local NAPA. Within a few months of happy banter and crude jokes they were giving me jobber price, using an old account number and charging me tax.
Be friendly, at least appear to be knowlegable, buy ALL of your parts there, and even take some donuts in when you can go in early. Think about how YOU would want to be treated, and treat them that way. (This only works where there are "Parts Guys" who have been in the business for a while and don't need computers to tell them what to sell you)

Mutt

[SwitchBlade327]

I can get that wheel cylinder at Advance for $51.99 {Tru-Torque W8267}(that's NOT after my employee discount), and the master for $38.88 {Tru-Torque M73323} (once again, not with my discount) and it appears there was no core charge.

[Robert]

The Wagner Jobber Price List shows the F-8265 at $47.35 and F-73323 at $56.70.

[Mass Butcher]

[ QUOTE ]
When I left Ohio, I left all of my sources and 'ins' that I had. I started going to the local Carquest after a bad experience with the local NAPA. Within a few months of happy banter and crude jokes they were giving me jobber price, using an old account number and charging me tax.
Be friendly, at least appear to be knowlegable, buy ALL of your parts there, and even take some donuts in when you can go in early. Think about how YOU would want to be treated, and treat them that way. (This only works where there are "Parts Guys" who have been in the business for a while and don't need computers to tell them what to sell you)



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I second this. I have customers that dont operate a business and once I start seeing them on a regular basis, the discounts start rolling out. Customer loyalty does count and I would think most places would reward that in appreciation.(donuts help too!)

[Fat Hack]

At one of the old auto parts joints I worked at, we had three price sheets to go with every catalog (this was before computers!). The first day I was there, my boss explained how the pricing was structured.

There was Jobber, Retail and List. In theory, the average Joe off the street paid Retail. The garage owners and such paid Jobber, and we'd tell them what the List price was to charge their customers.

Now, how it REALLY worked, was that we called the three price sheets Cool Guy, Normal and Asshole! If the customer was a regular, or knew his shit and was cool, he got the Cool Guy (Jobber) price. If it was just a guy in off the street, he paid the Normal (Retail) price. But, if the customer pissed you off, or came in acting like a know-it-all or something...he paid the Asshole (List) price for the part(s)!!!

There were Regular Assholes, too! We'd see the same idiot pull up in the parking lot, and my boss would giggle, "Ha Ha...he just keeps comming BACK! Should we charge him DOUBLE Asshole prices?!?".

That store was run into the ground (no surprise, eh?!), but it was a fun job most times. I was just the pee-on, and there were times my boss could get downright hostile with customers...his favorite retort being "Hey! Anyone can be an asshole and it looks like today's YOUR day, Fuckwad!" To my surprise, some of the people he dumped on like that actually came BACK!

There's times I miss being in that biz...but I was pretty glad to leave that whole racket just before their ship went under, too!!!

[Bruce Lancaster]

If you go to a real store (not chain type) and try to deal with the same people, best to go to the oldest guy there usually, you will soon start getting treated like a commercial client. Car nuts do get noticed in these places, both because we are continually coming back and because we buy parts that the average do it yourselfer doesn't know how to install.
Oh yes, also because we are always asking for weird old stuff that only the experienced dude can find in the catalog. It also helps, since you are still pretty small time, to demonstrate willingness to step aside and wait a bit during phone calls and rush jobs for real commercial customers. You will soon start getting good prices and sometimes the tax mysteriously goes away. Sometimes they will even start letting you into the stock so you can shop for a radiator hose with a 67 degree curve and a two inch outlet...

[Fat Hack]

Actually, Bruce...you had to go to the YOUNGEST guy in our store, (me!) for that kinda service! The two older guys wouldn't go outta their way for someone looking for oddball parts or anything. They'd just spit out the "We ain't got it!" answer, or send them to ME!

There was a steady flow of hot rodders who came to frequent our store, and I always did special research projects for them...locating mounts, bearings, hoses and exhaust pipes that would work for whatever they were trying to put together.

We had a HUGE stock of exhaust pipes for all kinds of older (60s and 70s) vehicles in stock, but the other two guys in the store wouldn't sell them...if anything, they'd make a show of pretending to look, and then claim we didn't have 'em! I found lots of pipes for customers and for myself out of their inventory. Even had a full exhaust system for my 66 Ranchero IN STOCK!

I was building musclecars and 4x4s out of my backyard at the time, so I was pretty keen on what we had, what fit other applications, and whether or not we could get certain parts. I ended up being the one you had to see for anything that the other guys didn't want to bother with...which meant just about any part they'd have to look up or search for!

[Plowboy]

I get the "jobber" price at all of the parts stores I go to, so I must be a "cool guy" I guess. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I told the parts guy when I was about done with my truck that they had better find another sucker to start paying their mortgage payment though!

[Tman]

Thanks for everyone who helped with this 'speriment http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Tman]

BTTT, since we are back talking price and cost of hotrods I thought this topic was pertinent.

[AHotRod]

Tim,
I'll get you some info on Monday.
Glenn

[titus]

cool experiment.

I work at a bumber to bumper up here, we have an acount set up for street rodders (msra). it gets pretty decent pricing on the hard parts with more mark up, but about the same price for the funny stuff, you know like air freshners. I dont know offhand what we sell the wheel cylinders or master for but i have bought them for myself before and noticed the pricing and it was pretty decent.

I usually am back in the machine shop but when it gets slow i head up front and help out the counter guys(i was a counterperson for 5 years before). alot of my buddies come get me to ring em up and look up parts for them cause i know half the part numbers and they always (mostly) get the correct parts.

[Tman]

Yes Titus, it is am eye opener for most when they realize pricing is based on how bad their breath is or if they are wearing green on a certain day http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Tman]

Yes Titus, it is am eye opener for most when they realize pricing is based on how bad their breath is or if they are wearing green on a certain day http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

BTTT, for Junkyard Dog32

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QUOTE=Tman]BTTT, for Junkyard Dog32[/QUOTE
i get jobber on everything i buy cause the shop i work for has an account,its a chain and 90% of the guys that work there dont have a clue.i have catologs for all ther parts,and look them up myself and walk in go behind the counter pull the parts set them on the counter.its always fun when a new guy starts and doesnt know me .they freak out cause im pulling my own parts.this guy started getting mouthy so i asked the price for a water pump on a VW bug.it took him awhile to figure it out.

[Tman]

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QUOTE=Tman]BTTT, for Junkyard Dog32[/QUOTE
i get jobber on everything i buy cause the shop i work for has an account,its a chain and 90% of the guys that work there dont have a clue.i have catologs for all ther parts,and look them up myself and walk in go behind the counter pull the parts set them on the counter.its always fun when a new guy starts and doesnt know me .they freak out cause im pulling my own parts.this guy started getting mouthy so i asked the price for a water pump on a VW bug.it took him awhile to figure it out.

I am afforded the same luxury, I know the early parts and such better than many of the guys at the parts store I deal with. If you cant get in back, the trick it to befriend a parts counter guy and get his last years books on brakes, hoses,shocks etc....................the old info doesnt change! They throw th books out for new volumes EVERY YEAR.