Is Tulsa the gateway to hell?

[FrameDragger]

Inhumanity must be in the water out there... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/West/06/29/dog.abuse.fireworks.ap/index.html

[crewcutkid]

Damn, that is some sick shit.
There was a guy here in colorado who burned a few puppies alive in a back alley, dunno what happened to him, tho. It was all over the news for awhile.
-Crew

[Jack Daniel]

Sick fucks http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[slowpoke]

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif Nope just another example of the complete depreviaty of our society.

Usually if these sick phucks get put behind bars the other inmates don't take to kindly to their type...and they get their's quietly behind bars; (see: child molesters).

[slammed]

The infamous "Northside"....Triple the punishment. Here intown, guy's one step away from the prison, they give them a 'Negative' tour of the joint. Scared straight style.

[Revhead]

I'm starting to think so. Last time I was there we go into an El Chicos to eat on our way back from a conference in Kansas. We get up to the door, look inside and it's a huge line. We decide to leave. Just as we're walking back to the car a squadron of cop cars without lights or sirens pour into the parking lot. All of em jump out and charge into th El Chicos. Dunno what happened, but couldn't have been good. Then for the rest of the night I was hearing sirens constantly. Must be alot of crap going on there.

[BigDdy31]

It takes one sick, punk assed little bastard to abuse/kill someone/something weaker than himself.

Man, it makes me wish people didn't have such an attitude toward vigilantes these days. Quite a few people could use a 'tattoo' from a louisville slugger.

[Flexicoker]

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Man, it makes me wish people didn't have such an attitude toward vigilantes these days. Quite a few people could use a 'tattoo' from a louisville slugger.

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Agreed

[Deyomatic]

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Man, it makes me wish people didn't have such an attitude toward vigilantes these days. Quite a few people could use a 'tattoo' from a louisville slugger.

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Agreed

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The AYES have it. This is a guy just BEGGING to be made an example of. "Eye for an eye," not "3 years in the courts, and a 5 year suspended sentence for an eye."

[Neppy]

<font color="green"> Agreed, this is some sick little fucker(s) idea of a funny thing to do. It really hurts those of us who love all animals like family. Most HAMBers will agree that their pets ARE family. And with my sister being a vet in training she's ready to go find the bastards and cut their balls off. I'd be willing to hold them down while someone shoved firecrackers in their mouths. Maybe some M-80's.

Who says violence doesn't solve anything? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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[malaguena]

If or when they find them, they should just flat hang them. People like that have no need to even live.

They say you can tell is someone is truly a sicko early on if they like to hurt or torture animals when theyre kids..

[CURIOUS RASH]

<font color="green">Why yes, yes it is.
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[Johnny Ace]

Animal abuse is something we WILL NOT tolerate....it's not funny....it is sickening.....fucking shit-hole world.

[CURIOUS RASH]

<font color="green"> AND JUST TO PROVE IT (http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0704/156521.html) </font>

[Hot Rod To Hell]

What the Fuck Rashy??? THat is some sick shit... You Okies better watch it. Us "normal" folks might have to show you a think or two!!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[hudson_hawk]

how can this be right? shouldnt we write the DA or something?

[Flexicoker]

Holy crap man, you guys need teach that fucker a lesson

[burndup]

Iteresting how there are always two sides to EVERY story...


I'm not even gonna read the animal abuse story, no tolerance for that....

[CURIOUS RASH]

<font color="green">Don't believe everything you read folks.

Tulsa is famous for saving face.

This story will be in the paper and on the news today and today only and then it will fade away.

If it went to trial, right or wrong, it stays in the headlines indefinitely.

It's the RedNeck way of dealing with things.

We have a HUGE homeless problem here.

They literally get away with murder as you've just seen.

This guy had been lurking around the bar for a long time and the POLICE had been called about him and others on numerous ocassions.

Sometimes they show up on time to do something, sometimes late and sometimes they don't show up at all.

This particular guy has even thrown rocks at bar patrons before and Sexton's 54 has a dent in the trunk to prove it.

Does everyone truly think that 350 people would show up for the funeral of a guy that runs around beating homeless people?

Give me a break and keep your hole shut if you don't KNOW all the details.

I will not have the memory of Shawn disgraced.

Take a look at that guys face, does it look like he was beat up with brass knuckles?

RASHY </font>

[Hot Rod To Hell]

I wasn't referring to shawn at all. Being a business owner in Flint, I'm well aware of the homeless problems, but it seems like ther are some pretty twisted people out there, and as you said, some even get away with murder! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[CURIOUS RASH]

<font color="green">That wasn't directed at you or anyone here.

I just want everyone to understand the finer points before it starts here as it already has elsewhere.

RASHY </font>

[hankcash]

No offense to any of you guys that live in Tulsa but....

Tulsa Oklahoma is by far the most festering, dirty city that I have ever been to....
I have traveled over half of my life and I have been to 42 of the 50 United States and well as most of Europe.
I have NEVER seen the amount of vagrancy, homelesness and despair as I have seen in Tulsa. I travel to New York City and stay in Manhattan about every month or so....
Trust me, you hear sirens all night long.
I spent 3 nights in a downtown Tulsa hotel last week and I felt like I was in Manhattan.
How can a middle-America town... a fraction of the size of Manhattan have all of these problems that require the sirens to sound ALL NIGHT LONG?


I have NO faith in the Tulsa elected officials... NONE!
We bumped into the mayor of Tulsa Friday evening and Monkey and Sexton sat down and talked to him for a minute about what happened....
First of all, He hadn't heard what had happened cause he was out of town.... Ok, slightly understandable...
But, if I was Mayor of a town, I would know about a MURDER that took place in the town that I was supposedly running.... whether I was in town or not!
Don't these guys have like all kinds of assistants and aides that can call them and keep them posted?
Anyway... he seemed concerned about what had happened and told us that he would come by the Annaversary party Saturday and say a few words....
He never showed up!
Is this what the local Tulsa Government is like?
How hard can it possible to rally a community to clean up it's city...
You have to keep in mind that about 99% of the population are good, hard-working people with morales and values not unlike the ones that you and I share....
It is the bottom of the barrel 1% scum that is blanketing the city with filth and sewage.
I now know at least 3 people who are part of that 1%, bottom of the barrel, low-life, scum leaching trash...

1) Terry Badgewell (dead man walking)
2) The DA of Tulsa (shit for brains)
3) The Mayor of Tulsa (cock smoking biggot)

I swear to you, that if my path EVER crosses that path of any of the 3 non-humans listed above, I will not bite my tounge. I will not hold my anger. I will not be responsible for the words that I say and the actions that I take.

This is a fucking nightmare that needs to end with the DEATH OF THE BIG BAD WOLF!!!!

Again, no offense to those of you from Tulsa....
Some of my closest friends now live in Tulsa.
It's just that 1% scum-trash whoring mutherfuckers that I am talking about.... too bad most of em' are elected officials!

HC

[Spitfire1776]

Sick fucking individual. The depraved acts such as these are on the rise too - that's the scary part. Usually progresses from small animals to people. However the justice system views this as a very minor offense. What a sham.

[BigDdy31]

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1) Terry Badgewell (dead man walking)


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The world is a dangerous place. It's easy to slip on a patch of ice in the dark of night and crack one's head open. Just look at poor Dr. Atkins. I hope something like this doesn't happen to this poor man by accident. And I hope it doesn't happen SOON.

[hankcash]

I hope that I don't load up my Texas (edited for rashy) and head my ass back up to Tulsa....
Do you think that this guy will show his face near the bar again?
Can we find out when he gets relased?
I am not shitting you.... I will wait outside the doors and follow (edited for rashy) around all day, night, week... and wait for the right moment...
I am a very patitent man.
(edited for rashy)

[hankcash]

I just found this quote on the Tulsa county's website...
This is a quote from Tim Harris... the District Attorney that is letting this Ex-con MURDURER walk!

As your Tulsa county D.A., I will strive to incarcerate violent offenders, protect victims' rights, hold juvenile offenders accountable for their actions, advocate for children, preserve family values, and uphold the laws and constitutions of our great state and country."

EAT MY ASS!

If you would like to send an e-mail to the mayor of Tulsa....

MAC@cityoftulsa.org

HC

[Petejoe]

Its said that most female and child abusers start with animals at an early age.
This world sometimes just makes me gag.
Why is it the startling news is always on the front page and most of the acts of kindness and love fall somewhere between the classifieds and the comics. http://www.gski.ch/data/smilies/puke.gif

[LoungeLife]

I received a call from a friend who works for Tulsa as a city planner. He discovered that Terry Badgwell had been at the 1974 restaurant earlier the same evening Sean was attacked - trying to start fights with the patrons. He was asked to leave and the police were called. Of course there was nothing done about it. Let's face it - there's no money in locking up the homeless. They can't make bail and they can't pay fines. One of the officers that patrols the downtown area is "good friends" with a dirty thief of a bum named Tony who rides around downtown on a bike stealing from stores and individuals and selling the goods whereever he can.

[hankcash]

For what it's worth, I have spent all morning e-mailing and calling the DA's office, the mayors office and channel 8 news....

Sent this to channel 8....


Please, I challenge you to do more investigation regarding further news reports on the Terry Badgewell case.
This man should not be set free...
He has prior convictions for assault and battery and domestic voilence. He is a convicted ex-con. A little bit of investigation will also show you that the police were called to the 1974 resturant hours before Shawn Howard was beaten to death.
The police were called to the resturant because a homeless man was becoming beligerent with patrons and getting voilent... who was this homeless man...
You guessed it, Terry Badgewell.

Of course they had brass knuckles in thier pocket...
What would you carry outside in the Brady district at 4:00 AM to take out the trash?
Keep in mind that you are walking past voilent ex-cons sleeping on the street and huffing brake fluid..........
Ask the guys at the bar to show you the dent that Terry made in the trunk of one of their cars a couple of weeks ago......

thank
you-
Jeff Wood
Dallas, Tx

[LoungeLife]

I just gave a statement to the da's office via phone - the secretary I spoke with knew exactly why I had called before I told her. She's been taking statements all morrning. Maybe it won't do any good, but it can't hurt - anyone who is interested please call the Tulsa DA 918-596-5000

[hankcash]

Trust me, they will not know what hit them when we make that phone ring untill this nightmare has ended!
call everyone, call!
HC

[Deyomatic]

HankCash, are you sure that isn't a .gov address? Just checking before I send anything to an address that doesn't work. I thought most city emails were .gov.
I'll write something up a little later on today.

[FrameDragger]

Hmm... what a horrible thing... he will be out of police custody where the city can no-longer protect him from vigilante justice... Not that I approve of severely beating someone with a similar sized lead pipe.

[BigDdy31]

[ QUOTE ]
Its said that most female and child abusers start with animals at an early age.
This world sometimes just makes me gag.
Why is it the startling news is always on the front page and most of the acts of kindness and love fall somewhere between the classifieds and the comics. http://www.gski.ch/data/smilies/puke.gif

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I'm with you man. It is truly a mystery.

[D Picasso]

I won't read the details, I don't want to know, I can't, can't look at it.

all I will say is that anyone who hurts animals should be skinned alive, rolled in salt, and hung by the neck until dead.

and that goes triple for the pile of excrement who killed sean.

what's wrong with this.....world?

[Bass]

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he will be out of police custody where the city can no-longer protect him from vigilante justice

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From what I understand, Terry Badgewell is still in custody for the 3 outstanding felony warrants he had against him.

I'm crossing my fingers that with enough phone calls and e-mails, that there is a chance the DA's decision will be reversed, charges will be made, and this WILL go to trial.

[BARNETT]

I knew I shouldn't have read this thread. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif The puppies article was more than I needed...and then I read the Shawn article...?!?!?!?! What the hell?! I will definitely be making a phone call and/or emailing some city officials.

[hankcash]

D/A's e-mail.... tharris@tulsacounty.org

This is what I sent...
You guys go to it....



Mr. Harris-

RE: Terry Badgewell

I urge you to reconsider the decision to drop the charges on this man.
He is a murderer who did not act in self defense.
He repeatedly beat an unconscious man over the head 8-10 with a lead pipe.
How is that self defense?
Terry Badgewell is a violent man with a history of violent actions.
Police were called hours before the murder took place to a local restaurant where Badgewell was showing us what kind of man he was.....
He was belligerent with customers in this restaurant. The police were called and they let Terry go so he could give his greatest performance later that night.
It was a performance so great, that you have rewarded him with freedom.... I cannot judge you for that, but you will be judged one day... not by any man, but by God.

This man was struck once in the face with a pair of brass knuckles after he decided to hit Shawn across the temple with a lead pipe.
He then proceeded to Kill a man.

Shawn and Josh were taking the trash out from their bar at 4:30 in the morning, in a part of town that they feel the need to carry a small weapon in.
Do you understand why they feel this need?
Do you own a business?
Do you trip over junkies huffing paint and brake fluid outside your door when you walk outside?
Do you ever open the front door to your business and step in human feces?
Do your hands smell like urine every time you turn the door knob of your business?
The city of Tulsa has failed Shawn!
Shawn Howard was a business owner of Tulsa. Without people like him, Tulsa has no reason for being.
He created jobs in Tulsa, he generated money and financial volume for Tulsa, and Tulsa has failed him.
Tulsa has failed to patrol the streets.
Tulsa has failed to protect it's citizens, it's business men and even it's bar owners.
Who is Tulsa? You are.
You have failed Shawn. You have failed to protect your citizens. You have failed at what you were elected to do, and I hope you can live with that.
Please reconsider your decision.

Thank You,
Jeff Wood
Dallas, TX

[Johnny Ace]

Done and done, Jeff,ol' buddy!
In the days prior to internet, someone always threatened to go to the "wire services".....What is the equivalent now of getting larger net papers attention?

[Bass]

I just signed up with Tulsa County's Inmate Information Center.

Terry Badgewell was released at 2:36 PM on 6/30/2004.

This means that he IS roaming the streets of Tulsa as we speak. And I can't begin to describe how pissed that makes me.

[LoungeLife]

Here is an interesting question - if this guy really did have outstanding warrrants, and the cops have been called on him lately, why didn't they pick him up on warrants?
I'm going to do some checking - if this facts hold true I'm holding the City of Tulsa responsible for Sean's death. My lawyer loved Sean like a brother.

[ray]

"Harris says an investigation showed that brass knuckles belonging to Howard and bar manager Josh Martin had been used against Badgewell, who then grabbed a metal pipe to defend himself"

i guess i'll step up for unpopular hamber of the year award. sounds like Sean fucked up, and with a deadly weapon according to Oklahoma law, went after the wrong ex-con. just like picking up a gun and pointing it at someone, one he started acting with those brass knuckles, he was a criminal himself. it doesn't mean badgewell was totally innocent, but face it, ex-cons hanging outside bars in the middle of the night might know how to defend themselves. maybe one or two young bad-asses will think of him and consider the possible repercussions of that really cool "shift handle" or "belt buckle". beat downs go both ways. i wonder why there's so many ex-skinheads.

my sincerest condolences to Seans family and friends.

go ahead and flame me. reality sucks sometimes.



in other news: more airstrikes in Fallujah...

[Bass]

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reality sucks sometimes.

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Yes, and the reality is that neither you or I were there.

So how do we know that Badgewell didn't have the pipe in hand, threatening Shawn, who reacted with the only weapon he had near? How do we know that a wanted ex-con that had been reportedly huffing paint and looking for a fight earlier in the day was defending HIMSELF and not vice-versa? And how do we know that he would tell the truth about what happened that night?

We don't know...and probably never will. Because this scum-sucking sack of shit took Shawn's life, and he's not here to defend his side of the argument. And because a useless and impotent DA decided that he didn't want to do his job and send a case where a person was MURDERED to trial.

I won't hold your remarks against you...but don't pass judgement when all the facts haven't been presented before you.

Badgewell may very well have been "defending himself"...We don't know because we weren't there. But even if he was, does that give him the right to beat a man repeatedly that is already on the ground and unconscious?

This case should go to trial by jury...but it doesn't appear that it's going to. Until it does and a decision is made, anything we say is purely speculation.

I'd also like to add that I fail to see what this has to do with the situation: " i wonder why there's so many ex-skinheads."

-Brian Bass

[hankcash]

Ray, poor taste brother.... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
You are posting a questionable reference to a man that so many of us knew and loved...
You are entitled to your own opinions, but use tact when talking about a deceased man on a thread full of posts from the guys who loved him.....

The brass knuckles weren't used as a deadly weapon in this instance....
The steel fucking pipe was!
Sorry, but if I owned a bar in the area where Deadtown is (you have to see it to believe it) brass knuckles would be the smallest part of my arsenal.
I guarontee that Shawn did not want to fight and he was not acting a fool and throwing his arms up in the air at the guy...
trust me on this....
HC

[CURIOUS RASH]

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"Harris says an investigation showed that brass knuckles belonging to Howard and bar manager Josh Martin had been used against Badgewell, who then grabbed a metal pipe to defend himself"

i guess i'll step up for unpopular hamber of the year award. sounds like Sean fucked up, and with a deadly weapon according to Oklahoma law, went after the wrong ex-con. just like picking up a gun and pointing it at someone, one he started acting with those brass knuckles, he was a criminal himself. it doesn't mean badgewell was totally innocent, but face it, ex-cons hanging outside bars in the middle of the night might know how to defend themselves. maybe one or two young bad-asses will think of him and consider the possible repercussions of that really cool "shift handle" or "belt buckle". beat downs go both ways. i wonder why there's so many ex-skinheads.

my sincerest condolences to Seans family and friends.

go ahead and flame me. reality sucks sometimes.



in other news: more airstrikes in Fallujah...

[/ QUOTE ] <font color="green"> Ahhhh,

Just the response I knew was coming.

Ray,

I'm sure you are a nice guy and all but why don't you go ahead and shut the fuck up til you get ALL the facts?

Uhmkay?

You see, the brass knuckles are just an excuse.

When I was working Hydraulics I would walk around with a wrench in my pocket. It's a tool of the trade. I imagine that if somone wanted to fuck with me I would go ahead and use it on them.

I will guarantee you that Shawn was not using brass knuckles, some of the reports even support this.

So the man had them in his pocket You ever carry a knife over legal length? What if someone stepped up?

You want people saying it's your fault when you aren't around to defend yourself and tell what REALLY happened?

The real story will come out but none of the news stations will report it because it will be old news and will show how incredibly flawed the original reports are.

If I offended you, I meant to.

Just as you have offended MANY.

RASHY</font>

[Bass]

Well said, Ron.

[oldchevyseller]

well how do you get some results? seems a big enough group to get some one in the hamb network or similar to run for offices , i know simple answer and the ntry to change from with in , we have had to deal with many meth houses run in houses that are absenty landords and couple of my friends got on the city council and ,i know hard to believe but all but wore the cops down and the local court people to get this problem enforced and it took along time , sounds ;ike you need to start getting everyone's attention at these local car shows with political stuff , i know sounds simple ,but until someone gets in to the local council no one will get any where put your energy there believe me we had to hit one guy with tons of paper until something stuck ,just my experience, this is small town southern minnesota

[hankcash]

Tim Harris has blood on his hands!!!!!

and it's not the first time!
read.... http://www.policeone.com/policeone/frontend/parser.cfm?object=News&amp;operation=full_news&amp;id=6568 2

HC

[visor]

What the fucks the matter with you Ray?
How can you disrespect a brother like that?
Did you know Shawn? Did you know how gentle
this mans soul is?
What........ you want my vote Ray?
You got it!
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OPOSSUM BENDERS
Central Missouri Chapter

[Bass]

From the article hankcash linked:

"When it comes to the burden of proof necessary for prosecutors to file a charge, Harris' manual says "this office requires that the fact and evidence viewed in the light most favorable to the state be beyond a reasonable doubt." "

That means that D.A. Harris will not even file charges if it's possible he could lose the conviction.

"Only about 1 percent of criminal defendants face jury trials in Tulsa County compared with 4 percent nationally, the Tulsa World reported."

"It obviously makes our job tougher," Tulsa Police Chief Dave Been told the Tulsa World for a story Sunday. "But the big issue is it makes things less safe for the citizens. Obviously, conviction rates are better if you only take to trial those slam-dunk cases."

You guys in Tulsa better step up and take this guy on....he's obviously not doing his job...and he IS an elected official.

[slammed]

Ray. Quote: "sound's like Sean f#%$^&amp;-up". Where you have taken it upon yourself to be the Devil's Advocate is unfathomable. Fact's are few and far between when your literaly hundred's of MILES away from the very scene of the crime. This (deleted) has PROVEN re-peatedly on record, multiple offence's,multible FIRST HAND Witnesses to be be a constant threat to an INNOCENT public at large. Criminal by CHOICE. Substance ABUSER by CHOICE. HE created the VERY situation that ENDED an INNOCENT LIFE! READ! WHAT WAS THIS (deleted) DOING THERE? Nothing,good. And it is without adoubt, what and whose 'hand' is leading this wretched, demon spawn. And has no remorse.

[hankcash]

I found this..... http://www.channeloklahoma.com/news/3463485/detail.html

It says that Badgewell was to appear in court Tuesday...
did he?

Fuck man... I am soo sick!
HC

[LoungeLife]

Sean would have never, never struck an unarmed man with a weapon. Sean would have never struck a man out of anger. The only time I have ever seen him in any kind of altercation was to protect the well being of his patrons, his friends. I'll never know what happened in the damned lot that night. But I didn't have to be there to know Sean did not threaten that man, or strike him without due cause. I also know this: only a fucking idiot could ever consider beating a man until his his head, his face were shattered to be self defense.
I didn't get to see Sean in the hospital, I held the vigil at the bar and tried to keep the business rolling. A friend of ours who was consoling Sean's girlfriend got to see him briefly, she said the only way she knew it was him was from one eyebrow. One eyebrow. This monster beat my frind until parts of his skull were scattered across a dimmly lit parking lot. Until his face was a broken twisted mess. Beat him in his chest and his back.
Self defense indeed. This whole thing makes me sick.

By the way, there were something like 300 people at Sean funeral. The funeral procession was fit for a king, it stretched out of sight in both sirections. What kind of man do you think he was?

[hankcash]

Charge declined in bar owner's death
By BILL BRAUN World Staff Writer
7/1/2004

Tulsa County District Attorney Tim Harris declined Wednesday to file any criminal charge against a homeless man in connection with a confrontation in which a downtown bar owner was fatally injured.

Based on that decision, Terry Badgewell was released from the Tulsa Jail, officials said.

"Evidence uncovered in the investigation supported Badgewell's claim that he acted in self-defense," Harris said in a news release.

Badgewell, 38, was arrested June 24 and jailed on two complaints of assault with a deadly weapon, linked to allegations that he beat Deadtown Tavern owner Shawn Howard and bar manager Josh Martin with a pipe.

Police responded about 4:30 a.m. June 24 to investigate a reported assault in progress. When officers arrived, they found Howard lying in a parking lot. He had been beaten unconscious.

Howard, 35, died the next day at a Tulsa hospital. That created the possibility that

one assault count could have been upgraded to murder or manslaughter if prosecutors had filed charges.

Martin was treated at a hospital and later released.

"It is tragic that Howard died," Harris said. "But the situation that leads to a tragic death doesn't always mean that a crime was committed."

Martin, 30, said he is frustrated by the decision.

"It's actions like the sort of inaction that's being taken that leads people to chase bums around the back of buildings in downtown Tulsa," Martin said.

"Why not, if nothing is going to happen when you contact the authorities? Why not take care of it yourself? It's not the police's fault. They respond," he said.

Badgewell's attorney, Steve Hjelm, said Badgewell contends that he was punched in the face by someone who had brass knuckles before he picked up a pipe to defend himself.

Badgewell "was not on the property of the bar," Hjelm said. "The two guys came to him."

Badgewell told police that he hit the men with the pipe after he was struck with brass knuckles.

According to Harris, police reports indicate that the fight occurred in the 200 block of West Archer Street, a block and a half west of the bar.

Both Howard and Martin had brass knuckles that police recovered, according to Harris.

Martin did not dispute the prosecutor's account regarding the presence of brass knuckles.

"Realistically, I can't say that I blame him (Badgewell) for picking up the pipe, and I can't say that I blame him for hitting us once," Martin said.

"But when Shawn was down, there was no danger that warranted continuing to beat him."

Martin has said he and Howard were both struck repeatedly with the pipe.

Howard and Martin were at the bar at 23 N. Cheyenne Ave. after hours making plans for the business' fifth anniversary party.

Police previously said that Howard and Martin were chasing two suspected crack dealers from the parking lot when they saw a man identified as Badgewell urinating in a lot west of the bar.

According to the news release Harris issued Wednesday, police reports indicate that Howard and Martin had noticed a man preparing to sleep near their property and told him to leave, resulting in an exchange of words and a fight.

Officers found Badgewell at the Tulsa Day Center for the Homeless, 415 W. Archer St., and took him into custody about four hours later.

Harris said that after a complete police investigation, he decided not to charge Badgewell.

He also indicated that if new evidence is developed "that has not been reviewed by this office," he could re-evaluate his decision.

"The use of deadly force is justifiable under Oklahoma law in certain circumstances," Harris said in his news release. "A man has a right to defend himself."

He said he met personally with Martin and with Howard's parents to explain his analysis of the evidence and the decision-making process.

Friends said Howard wanted to improve the lighting in the area where the bar is located.

[hankcash]

So, basically.... shithead #1 (D/A Harris) and shithead #2 sat down and had a talk....
Shithead # 2 said "they attacked me for no reason and hit me with brass knuckles"....
Shithead #1 says "really, that's awful... what else".
Shithead #2 said "I defended my life by beating an unconsious mans head to a pulp".
Shithead #1 says "really, what else"?
Shithead #2 says "well, I'm an ex-con, I like to huff brake fluid, the other day, I threw a big rock at the bar and did about $500 worth of dammage to a car, I was urinating in the street when they approched me and I have a history of violence"!

Shithead #1 says..."ok, well, your free to go".

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
HC

[Flexicoker]

What is this world coming to?

I cannot even put into words how sad this makes me.

[CURIOUS RASH]

<font color="green">That is exactly the kind of crap we deal with in Tulsa.

Someone suggested when this happened that we contact the media, get some help from them.

The guys who were at the bar this weekend KNOW it is no block and a half away.

If you believe all that you read in the media you are poorly informed.

The BIG problem with Tulsa and getting anything done is old money.

Tulsa used to be one of the richest cities in the nation beacuse of all the oil.

Big names like Mayo, Wheeling, Wheeler, LaFortune and the clowns that own the Tulsa World. (blocked their name out of memory).

It takes big money to run for office in Tulsa and the people who can afford it don't understand the plight of the working man. They also want to pretend there is no such thing as these dregs of society that plague Tulsa so thoroughly.

Ask yourself this...

Why are there homeless people?

Are they good people?

I say probably not.

Why? you ask.

Because, if you are truly a good person and down on your luck you will have friends who can help you. I realize there are instances where a good guy may find himself alone but they should be few and far between.

I would take a second job to help a friend in need. Even HankCash.

So why are we expected to put up with these warts on society? What are they contributing?

I know at work, if your not a productive person you get booted.

Society ought to be the same way.

What is this guy ever going to amount to?

Has anyone seen the news article that says that this guy is a diagnosed schizophrenic without his meds?

ME EITHER!

Why? Because Tulsa has such a grip on the media that they wouldn't dare publish this info.

Why? Because they let him walk the streets again.

Their idea of fixing the problem is to go to all the soup kitchens and tell them not to feed this thing so he will move on to another city.

Maybe yours.

Tulsa is full of soup kitchens and so may bleeding hearts that neighboring communities actively bring homeless people here and drop them off so they don't have to deal with it.

I don't know what the solution is and getting Tulsa to even admit there is a problem is never going to happen.

I love Tulsa but I have the house for sale and can't wait to get out.

RASHYcolor]

[slammed]

My last real O/T. It's forbidden, but here it is. Go to a Search engine (google,yahoo,ect) search Illuminati Tulsa....old money indeed. It's one of their 'Hub's'... I left there 15yrs. ago. The heavy vibe was real. Agressive. I cannot imagine what it feel's like today. May justice prevail this time.

[oldchevyseller]

"It takes big money to run for office in Tulsa and the people who can afford it don't understand the plight of the working man. They also want to pretend there is no such thing as these dregs of society that plague Tulsa so thoroughly. "well if you don't think of your self and the groups you associate with strong enough to do something about this so called buying the election ,you aint working hard enough at it!!! i been there, the old boy net work was deep here it took alot of phone ,meetings public bullshit to
get it down the voters throat that this big shot aint gonna do anything !you have to, WE have to! i know it sounds like you -do -it i am too busy ,crap ,but it has and can be done ,hell you got painters and printers and other guys on this site all have connections ,all know someone, get your revenge by changing this!!!!,i mean i was sick to death for weeks trying to get rid of the old boy council ,it took complaints, paper work about all his houses and he laughed it off until we turned in tons of videos,as to how tokeep on em,get videos get your ass out there!!!,if the locals dont move on something you call the sheriff ,if not him the state patrol office,if not them the gov,i lost tons of sleep ,garbage on the lawn egged cars , shit missing ,the locals coming around bugging us about so called junk sitting around but hey ,turned out for us ,no news about it ,other than there aint 7 meth house stories every fricken week!!i filmed a guy getting his head bounced off the street because he was picking up the bottles that some one threw there the night before ,and he just happened to comment to the guys that were walking by that "he hoped it would not happen anymore" i can't blame you for putting up the sale sign i been there also!!what the hell has happened is beyond me

[oldchevyseller]

Harris received a Bachelor of Arts degree from the University of Wisconsin in 1979. Non-legal experience includes attending Escuela De Idiomas - Padres de Santiago Apostol (Spanish Language School) in Lima, Peru, while providing health care, education and food supplies to Peruvian Indians in the Amazon Basin and Quechua Indians of the Andes Mountains. He also worked as a construction foreman in the 1970s and as a 1980 Census Evaluator for the United States Department of Treasury.

[CURIOUS RASH]

<font color="green">He should have stayed there.

Sounds like handing out food is more his line of work.

The for sale sign was up long before this happened.

This just made sure it won't come down til I'm gone.

The rest of your shit gives me a headache to read.

I have known many people in Tulsa who have run for office and not made it.

I believe it will be easier to campaign against Harris.

And I'm gonna start right now.

RASHY </font>

[oldchevyseller]

any where is a start!!!! he had class mates !!!get into the year book and alumni and go from there ,tear him down from the bottom up!!!!! it can be done!!

[Revhead]

This is crap. I've been reading all the posts related to this stuff, just to keep track and make sure justice is served. Well looks like it's not gonna be without some work. Ok so shawn had brass knuckles so what. there are plenty of black belts running around out there that are classified in the same group. I don't know about the rest of you, but if I got into a fight of some sort I'd use whatever I needed to win. I wouldn't stop and think about the legal aspect and then choose to use a weapon or not. This also goes for bagwell, but the fights over when the other goes down. After that it is intentional and NOT self defense. I'll be writing an email and looking for more help.

[oldchevyseller]

http://www.cityoftulsa.org/

[CURIOUS RASH]

Another HUGE Crock 'O' Shit (tm) (http://www.cityoftulsa.org/press+releases/tulsaliveablecity.htm)

[BARNETT]

http://www.livable.com/contact/index.htm

Maybe they should receive some feedback from us, so they know just how UN-livable Tulsa is...unless you're a psychotic homeless career criminal.

[Revhead]

man Oklahoma law is F*cked Up!

In Oklahoma, homicide is classified as "excusable" when committed by accident or in the heat of passion. Homicide is considered "justifiable" when resisting a murder attempt against the defendant, when in the lawful defense of a person or close family member, <font color="red">or when committed in an attempt to apprehend a person for committing a felony. </font>

So this is in case a cop needs to beat a convict down? or can this be applied to anyone?

Also "in the heat of passion"? WTF does that mean? If someone is pissed it's excusable to commit murder in the 1st degree?

Found all this here:
Oklahoma "Law" (http://www.okla-law.com/whatsnew.html)

I bet these guys want big money, but... maybe one of them would help out a little.

Deadly force experts (http://expertpages.com/experts.php/deadly_or_excessive_force_oklahoma.htm)

One More.. Look at this definition.

[ QUOTE ]
The term “excessive force” is defined by Oklahoma state law as being that “physical force which exceeds the degree of physical force permitted by law or the policies and guidelines of the law enforcement agency”.

[/ QUOTE ]

So would it be acceptable for a cop to beat a man to death for brass knuckles..... maybe in Tulsa..

[Revhead]

I found it.

Self Defense (http://tkdtutor.com/07Defense/Laws.htm)

[ QUOTE ]
Unlawful force is defined as force used against a person without the person's consent in such a way that the action would be a civil wrong or a criminal offense. If the force used by the defender was not immediately necessary for his/her protection <font color="red">or if the force used was disproportionate in its intensity to that of the attacker</font>, then the use of such force by the defendant was not justified and the self-defense claim in a criminal prosecution fails.

[/ QUOTE ]

[hankcash]

[ QUOTE ]
I found it.

Self Defense (http://tkdtutor.com/07Defense/Laws.htm)

[ QUOTE ]
Unlawful force is defined as force used against a person without the person's consent in such a way that the action would be a civil wrong or a criminal offense. If the force used by the defender was not immediately necessary for his/her protection <font color="red">or if the force used was disproportionate in its intensity to that of the attacker</font>, then the use of such force by the defendant was not justified and the self-defense claim in a criminal prosecution fails.

[/ QUOTE ]

[/ QUOTE ]

way to go Rev....
We are sending another e-mail to the DA!

Beating someone to death with a lead pipe is disproportionate to someone attacking you with brass knuckles!!!!

Smoking fucking gun!
good work...

oooh Mr Harris.....you are a bastard!

HC

[CURIOUS RASH]

<font color="green">It just struck me as ironic...

Tim Harris will fall victim to his own doing.

Here's how I see it...

Tulsa has lost countless jobs,

New companies do not want to come here,

Tim Harris is about to be unemployed,

Tim Harris will find no job,

Tim Harris will be dumpster diving,

Tim Harris will wind up running into one of the morons he turned loose,

I just hope the dude he runs into is packing a "ThunderDick". TM

Does anyone know if people in his position can be impeached?

I may start a new fund to register the URL ...

www.timharrissucks.com (http://www.timharrissucks.com)

It isn't taken.

www.homelesspeoplesuck.com (http://www.homelesspeoplesuck.com) is taken though.

RASHY </font>

[Cadillacin Marcus]

Fuckin Hicks!! They should be hung by thier nuts!

[Revhead]

Jeff,

There's a couple problems with it though.

1st: They're not going to take a "hot-rod community" with no legal training seriously. Media hurts though...

2nd: That quote is from a taekwondo site referencing the 1975 federal self-defense law. It needs to be in pure form and need to make sure that this federal law stands in Oklahoma.

3rd: If anything comes of this, it's best to use examples of other cases that are similar to prove the point I think. There's always extenuating circumstances and all that, but if a similar case was proved in favor of the prosecutor, then it's harder to argue with.

[Revhead]

[ QUOTE ]
Tim Harris will be dumpster diving,


[/ QUOTE ]

Hopefully behind Deadtown http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[FrameDragger]

Grass Roots... Start a PUBLIC information (recall attempt) campaign on him. If he is coming up for re-election soon, see what you can offer his rival. It is funny how stuff snowballs... A group we started supporting last year unseated a couple of Long Beach City Counselmen in the last election because they appeared to be down with sending more Heavy Jets over the houses in our neighborhood...

[Whiskey]

I've tried to keep my mouth shut on this whole thing...Sean was a dear friend of mine and losing him this way was the last thing l ever expected...Deadtown is my family and l had felt l'd deal with this loss in silence(my own way)...however at work today I get the call about Terry's release...All l can say is Fucking Bullshit!! I have never had such hatred and anger in my heart as l do now...so what happens if l go back down to tulsa and l find him..maybe I destroy him with a pipe...oh it was self defense l'm a helpless girl... do l get to walk too?? I'm so angry I can't even finish what l want to say...

Takin Over...fuck it you know it

Whiskey

[Neppy]

<font color="green"> This is such FUCKING BULLSHIT!! I mean in no way to demean what happened to those pups/dogs but this pisses me off! The dog story has been in the news for days now. The Shawn Hoawrd story has already been forgotten. People all over the state, even the country have been volunteering to adopt the animals but, except here, no one really seems to care about Shawn. Tulsa sucks, no offense to anyone living there. I'm staying in Tahlequah. </font>

[ray]

glad to see you guys have cooled down a little. don't confuse my statement about having brass knuckles with saying Sean isn't a nice guy or anything, i never said any such thing. i mentioned skinheads cause they like to run around with things like pipes and knuckles, then get out after they get a taste of having their own asses beat.

believe me, i do not support the DA, but the way to deal with situations like this is with cool heads, and knowledge. you can call the DA all you want and holler that "it just ain't fair" but as long as you don't understand the laws you are fighting, you will get nowhere. brass knuckles, especially being used as brass knuckles, are a deadly weapon according to Ok law. or so i have found with my brief research, and the reports certainly seem to say so. oh, and once you swing a pipe wrench, or anything at a person, yes it too becomes a deadly weapon, but it is much clearer to any person that brass knuckles are intended nothing else than to cause serious bodily harm, they have no legit use. does the Ok law say that they are illegal only if used in agression, and legal in self defense? i don't think so. besides, it was admitted that knuckles were involved.

and i don't want to be the guy trying to explain the rules of fighting for your life to a homeless man. stop beating a man after he is down? that's a nice noble rule for those that fight for recreation, but when you sleep in the streets, to use a cliche' it's kill or be killed.

i see a few of you are quick to judge this man because he is homeless, schitzo etc. that is really sad to me. i do know what its like to lose someone close to me, i know what it's like to deal with severe mental illness(not mine, maybe) and i know what it's like to be homeless, what its like to not know who to turn to even if you were able to swallow your pride and ask for help. i'm also described by people that know me as being nice and all that, not a violent person, but i'm not afraid to, and have used force too, i can see both sides of the story. "what if" the morning papers read about a homeless vietnam war vet killed with one blow to the head with brass knuckles, because he was mistaken for another homeless fellow?

i didn't aim to offend, but i stand by everything i said. Sean is a great guy from what i've heard, use his the loss of him to change tulsa for the better. see, you've just become activists! you now have a cause, just like them fucking tree-hugging hippies! it's too bad it has to get ugly before people are moved to take action. next thing you'll want to be talking about corrupt governments all the time.

i might see what i can dig up on the DA. meanwhile the whole truth needs to come out on exactly what really happened there that night. the devolpments of this story could have some traction in the media, but frankly the knuckles really hurt things.

i need to get back to work, i will be studying the details of this more, that's what i do!

[CURIOUS RASH]

<font color="green">As if just to prove what I have been saying about the local media, police and the ability to believe what you here from either one...

The Media and TPD are a JOKE!!! (http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0704/156627.html) </font>

[CRAP]

I could not even read the article but those sick fucks should be fucking killed slowly for months.

[hotrodtennis]

Well spoken. This story needs someone like you who is articulate to send this information to Bill O'Reillys show and get some national exposure. Sounds like it will never come to light out of the Tulsa media.

[FrameDragger]

Rashy... Find some way for those of us who have no legal say in the Tulsa Area to help create some waves... I understand that someone might be cleared of an ultra violent murder like this, but without even a jury trial??? FUCK that guy...
Ray... Given the obvious impact of Shawn's Departure on a large number of people here, I think you should keep your devil's advocate shit to yourself.

M-

[Hollywood]

Ok for those who don't know me I am a friend of Shawn, an employee of Deadtoen and part of the Deadtown family. First off let me start with this...

I have known Shawn for a while be it just hanging out in the bar, working for the bar, or working in the shop with him and the guys. Now mind you this put me around most of the time and I do mean most of the time. We have a problem with homeless,huffers,thiefs and whatnot. Do not think that we hate anyone but it does get tiring over time. Not the homeless that mind their own business but the ones (and all of you should know what kind I'm referring to) that are pests....who don't take no for an answer and won't just go away. We just wanted a safe enviroment for our customers, and our friends, along with ourselves. Were the police involved.....yes but not enough on a regular basis. Shawn also lived on this block were Deadtown is. Woukd you want this around your house....no I didn't think so. Shawn also would pay some homeless to wash windows, take out trash etc.
He felt bad for people that needed help but we also had "the terds". The ones that wouldn't leave us and our patrons alone...continually wanting money,cigarettes, and thoght they owned the Brady District. These people we would have to constantly tell to leave, even remove from the premises. Yes TPD was involved but compared to the scale of the problem not enough. We were told that these were public sidewalks and streets and not much could be done about it. How would you like it if this happened on your block.......not so much. We never went out looking for problems

[CURIOUS RASH]

<font color="green">That is the second time someone has mentioned the Bill O'reilly show.

I am going to check into that, go at it covering all his achievements and then finish up with what I am considering his Grand Finale.

If you don't live in Tulsa you don't know how deeply ingrained the Good Ole Boy System is.

You see, all the local media depend on the local government for tips about news, permits, access to City and County buildings, I'm sure other things I'm not aware of.

They piss of the cops and they don't get access to crime scenes, no helicopter clearance.

The local media CANNOT be trusted to help.

For instance, when this first started, Channel 2 was all over it, they came down to DEADTOWN and interviewed a bunch of people who all told them about how many times Shawn had asked for assistance from the city.

Shawn couldn't get the city to put in street lights so he put in lights himself.

He asked them to trim up the cities tress that had grown to the ground, as well as some other bushes that were overgrown. No response. So, he trimmed them himself. Having no means handy to dispose of the debris, he then called and asked that the city come pick it up.

Well, they did, shortly after Channel 2 aired the report, showing the big stack of shit that had sat in the street by the bar.

The report aired at noon and six and then by ten it was completely reworked, no mention of the cities failures.

I'm gonna tell you all something here that I wanted to keep out because it is just a sad glimpse into what a man with dreams has to go through in Tulsa.

I spent alot of Saturday taking T-Shirt orders among other things.

Since we had not planned on doing this it was all improved.

I took the notebook we were using for registration and ran with it.

Around 2 in the morning I had all I could take and went home.

The next morning, I got up to form a spread sheet for the orders and started leafing through the notebook to find the list.

I came across Shawn's "To-Do before the party" list.

I read it with tears in my eyes, to read a mans plans for something he loved so much, things he had to do to be sure his patrons and friends were safe and had fun.

Plans he would never realize.

And then the thing that brought chills to my spine.

About halfway through the list was "Have crack dealers across the street apprehended Friday"

Now how sad is that? Not only that there ARE crack dealers across the street but that you have to plan when YOU will have to call the Police to have them arrested because you KNOW they will be right back there so you even have to time when it happens.

How many of you have that on your To-Do list today?

Police drive through there all the time but that is all they do unless you call them. HAve you ever called the police and they show up but don't do anything because the turd you called on smells SO BAD that the police JOKE about not wanting them in "THEIR" car?

Seems the best method we may have here is letting the higher ups in neighboring communities know what is happening and let them embarass Tulsa.

I'll look into that also.

Gotta go to work.

RASHY </font>

[CURIOUS RASH]

<font color="green">Well,

I asked him nicely. On the phone and in an email.

I spoke with Kevin at channel 8 and he did shut down the ability to leave new messages but did not remove the hurtful comments as he said he would.

So, now I need your help.

By Phone
Voice: (918) 445-8888
G&amp;A Fax: (918) 445-9354
Sales Fax: (918) 445-9316

Kevin King (http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0704/156521.html)

Just click on his name at the top of the article.

I'm asking anyone who is able to contact "Kevin King" at channel 8, he is the Web-Master there.

Ask him nicely if he will get rid of that crap, in respect of Shawn's family and out of respect for a good man who cannot defend himself.

It serves no purpose but to try Shawn in the media and cause pain to those who really know him.

And there it still sits, with the UGLY comments from uneducated people with enough half-facts to make them dangerous. </font>

[hankcash]

[ QUOTE ]
"what if" the morning papers read about a homeless vietnam war vet killed with one blow to the head with brass knuckles, because he was mistaken for another homeless fellow?

[/ QUOTE ]

Ray...
THEY DID NOT GO AROUND AND LOOK FOR HOMELESS PEOPLE TO BEAT UP!!!!!
THERE WOULD BE NO, OOPS, WE HIT A VET, SORRY, WE THOUGHT HE WAS HOMELESS MAN!
WHAT IN THE FUCK IS YOUR PROBLEM....
I AM SURE THAT YOU ARE A REALLY NICE GUY IN PERSON, BUT RIGHT NOW YOU ARE NOT FUCKING HELPING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thank you
Jeff HANKCASH Wood

[LoungeLife]

I called the DA's office - the next election isn't for a couple of years yet. If I can't get him out of office one way I'll campaign for the other guy so hard...

What we need is a media outlet that will work with us - one that people are actually exposed to.

[CURIOUS RASH]

<font color="green"> I think we should contact the media in OKC.

They have nothing to lose by exposing this guy.

The next time we see Tim Harris, He'll be asking if you "want fries with that."

RASHY </font>

[LoungeLife]

Good idea. Something we were talking about at the shop last night was trying to get anti-panhandling laws instituted. Oklahoma is apparently on e of the few states that doesn't have one.

[hankcash]

Well, I've gone and done it....
every e-mail and fax machine is blowing up with this right now....
I hope that the D/A's office has plenty of paper......

HC

[Revhead]

[ QUOTE ]
that's a nice noble rule for those that fight for recreation, but when you sleep in the streets, to use a cliche' it's kill or be killed.


[/ QUOTE ]

Ray, What the hell is wrong with you? We don't live in the congo here. This is supposed to be a civilized country. Kill or be Killed? That sounds logical and ok to you huh? And I don't think you are reading all the info here either. He is a proven trouble maker, paint huffer, convict with a mean streak. Noit just some homeless man that everyone decided to pick on. What would he need to be for you to justufy him in prison? Maybe murder 3 or 4 people then he could go to trial?

Whether or not he has the kill or be killed mentality doesn't matter anyway. The law states, as I posted above, that if it's excessive force (with or without a deadly weapon), in comparison to the force of the attacker, it's illegal and cannot be construed as self-defence.

[Richie]

Having my best friend stolen from me in high school (it still feels like that...he was stolen) I can relate to what you guys are going through.

I never knew Shawn...don't really "know" any of you....but if there is anything I can do (albeit from Boston) let me know.

I'd imagine his views aren't the most popular around here but what about contacting Michael Moore?

Its just a suggestion.

Stay strong.

[LoungeLife]

Hankcash - you're my hero!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hankcash]

[ QUOTE ]
Hankcash - you're my hero!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[/ QUOTE ]


http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Love you Ryan...
Stay strong!
Jeff-

[Jester]

[ QUOTE ]
Well, I've gone and done it....
every e-mail and fax machine is blowing up with this right now....
I hope that the D/A's office has plenty of paper......

HC

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm printing this picture and making copies to distribute around here...........I know it won't help you where you are but it will generate questions.....I have a copy on the wall above my computer at work and I've already had many questions...........the leagend of Sean Howard's life will spread and his life WILL inspire others to make positive changes to the world.

[Rix2Six]

Ray... even if what you say is 100% true, self defense stops when the assailant is incapacitated. Badgewell continued beating on Sean after he was unconcious... how is that self defense.