View Full Version : O/T.. has anyone SEEN the movie called "STOKED" about GATOR?
Was it RULING?
What did you think?
was it a DOCUMENTERY on his LIFE???
Any DETAILS??
I guess it isn't showing in my AREA.. or at least not yet,,,
Fill me in please...
I have a GATOR story from when I was a kid, and story about CHRISTIAN HOSOI after he LOST all his MILLIONS, and BUMMED 20 bucks from MY HOT ROD MENTOR,, to BUY CRYSTAL METH...... Christian came in teh SHOP,,, I almost fell down cause it was HIM.... then he asked for the MONEY and he was STRUNG OUT,,, I couldn't believe he LOST his MONEY.....
DISASTER RECORDS is FILMING a LIFE DOCUMENTERY on DUANE PETERS,,, that should BE KILLER, if they TELL the WHOLE STORY,,,,,,
any INFO on the GATOR MOVIE,,,,?????
Sam F.
09-30-2003, 10:51 PM
the way i understand its about his skater life and the shit with the murder ,thats all ive heard ,is it playing at movies or on video?
here's the website stoked (http://www.stokedmovie.com)
looks like it just played over here a few days ago... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
fatassbuick
09-30-2003, 10:56 PM
I was waiting for it to go to DVD since nothing like that ever gets played around here.
Lefty
09-30-2003, 11:16 PM
I saw it about 2 weeks ago in Dallas and thought it was very good. It was a documentary which really just presented the facts. The video footage was much better than in Dogtown-Zboys since the video era had broken by the 80's.
A definite must see for skaters 30 and over.
The new video "Chlorine" with Salba is also kick ass.
Vagrant
10-01-2003, 12:26 AM
Thanks! I 'll hit the local art house theater this weekend. I was just floored when i saw it in the paper.
Germ , when is the movie on Duane Peters comin out?
For some sad reason I'm not surprised about the deal with Hosoi. Glad he's still around and all...but he seemed to be so much of a rock star back then...
67Imp.Wagon
10-01-2003, 12:26 AM
Lefty brought that Chlorine DVD by the house and it was great.
Its pretty much a documentary on pool rideing.After watching it I was real close to emptying my pool.
james
10-01-2003, 09:07 AM
Isn't Christian still stuck in a hAwaiin prison?
Christian
10-01-2003, 10:01 AM
I saw it, I liked it, it should give you a major hard-on as it features a lot of the people you like to name-drop. Liked the Jason Jessee parts.
saltflataddict
10-01-2003, 10:13 AM
man, I have been waiting to see that. I missed it when it premiered here at Sundance. Looking foward to seeing that flick. Anyone remember the rumor that the girl in the Tom Petty video "freefalling was the ex girlfreind", never found out if it was true.
praisethelowered
10-01-2003, 11:49 AM
best skating documentary- "Fruit of the Vine"
and check out Jocko's book "The Answer is Never"
avoid D-town and Z-boys if you don't want to hear 100 times how cool they "used to be". . .
I'm spoiled...I got to see it "with" Jason Jesse. Except he booked out the back door before the lights came on so he could avoid the praise and flashbulbs! Excellent movie, especially the music is era-correct to the scenes rather than just background noise. And don't knock Dogtown...it don't matter how cool "they used to be"...they are the reason skateboarding is what it is today. Alva's a fag, J-Boy's a doper, Biniak is Billy Idol...so what, they ruled.
Johnny Ace
10-01-2003, 12:43 PM
RF...Damn right they ruled....Dogtown and our own Tx Zorlac and P-Men skate dynasties were linked by soul to these guys....all down the line...still are,in my book.
Nothing to dismiss lightly.
Mythic times....when GIANTS walked the earth...before big fuqqin' pants...when guys ground CHUNKS out of entire cities
by actually SKATING...not rubbing K-Y on their boards and playing slippity-slide so they could land on their boyfriend at the bottom of the stair rails....I loved Gator...he had guts....even though he still owes me cash....before the 80's died,we lost Phillips and Gator buried his girl out in the desert....I NEED to see this flic.
I never liked Hosoi.......he was a rockstar....
Craig Johnson,who I actually got re-united with at Pistons and Paint,was fearless....when I saw him again, I gained back 20 years.
Dogtown will always RULE.
BigJim394
10-01-2003, 01:02 PM
Here's a review that ran in the local weekly free entertainment paper:
STOKED: THE RISE AND FALL OF GATOR
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His career was as meteoric as one of his gravity-defying skateboard rides: Mark "Gator" Rogowski was a bratty teen who mastered the outlaw sport in the 1980s, rode the crest of its first wave of popular success, and then crashed with spectacular brutality at the end, convicted of a vicious rape and murder and barely escaping the death penalty. Helen Stickler's absorbing documentary; consisting of talking-heads interviews (some of the locales of her subjects are more intriguing than what they say) with Rogowski's friends and colleagues and his ex-fiancée, plus excerpts from his promotional videos and home movies made during his rise and fall and a spooky but unforthcoming phone interview with Rogowski in prison; puts his case in a cultural and economic context that's meant to suggest that he was partly the victim of corporate commercialization of an outsider subculture. When skateboard and clothing companies offered Rogowski and others big bucks and rock-star fame for their endorsements, most didn't hesitate to cash in, and they were unprepared when their fans turned on them as sellouts. Neither could they all make the transition (as shown in embarrassing videos of Rogowski unable to negotiate a six-inch curb) from the "vert" or ramp skating to the new and more democratic "street style."
Stickler's efforts to plumb Rogowski's personal depths are more perfunctory: passing comments about his broken family, his rage problem, his alcoholism, his search for identity, and his quest for religion all pale before his crime. Maybe, as he smirkingly claims in a video made at his height, he was just a jerk. (82 minutes)
BY PETER KEOUGH in the Boston Phoenix 9/5/2003
Johnny Ace
10-01-2003, 01:10 PM
WTF??....Gator was a MONSTER street skater....I skated with him from dusk til dawn one balmy Houston night and he pulled off sh*t that you wouldn't believe....
They should have gotten someone who actually knew something about Rogowski to see and write about the movie....
gears-n-grease
10-01-2003, 01:12 PM
havent seen it yet but
it is gator and his ex in the tom petty "free fallin " video
and it was his ex girlfriends' friend he killed . His ex was hiding from him in NYC and her friend came into town to visit and didnt know she was gone
zonkola
10-01-2003, 01:25 PM
An old article form the Village Voice...
http://pw1.netcom.com/~coryjohn/gator.html
saltflataddict
10-01-2003, 01:25 PM
Yeah, Johhny Ace, Craig johnson was a ruler, he and John Gibson came in town to do a demo at My skate shop back in the day in El Paso, and they ruled it. I might even still have a photo of John G. pulling a bong rip at my friends house, way cool guys.. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
**DONOTDELETE**
10-01-2003, 01:28 PM
Yeah, check out Juice Magazine's web site,
you can see RF with his button to the top like
a cholo shirt, at the premier.
and OG LowRider Pinapple.
Johnny Ace
10-01-2003, 01:32 PM
HOOLIGAN....I may or may not post an infamous foto of Tex Gibson passed out,butt nekkid, on a Dallas sofa ....pale-ass a glowin'...Those guys could ingest ANYTHING and still skate like pros....Craig would SLAM his big carcass down on the Clown Ramp and get up laughing like it was nuthin'....
Christian
10-01-2003, 01:41 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Craig Johnson,who I actually got re-united with at Pistons and Paint,was fearless....when I saw him again, I gained back 20 years.
[/ QUOTE ]
I have a "El Loco Gringo" T-shirt I bought of Craig Johnsonn ages ago, is was his band, dunno if they still exist. Now if only he would kill his girlfriend I could make some money off of it on Ebay.
I am a Cholo...my real name is Roberto Fortez, holmes!
Johnny Ace
10-01-2003, 02:25 PM
Gringos like a party, like Joto Heat sez....
nor cal nic
10-01-2003, 02:26 PM
'WHO CARES' the d.p. video is out, saw it at the thrasher mag rumble a month ago. it was cool. brought back memories... d.p. and i didn't throw beer bottles at each other across the ramp, this time...
nic
max wedge
10-01-2003, 03:13 PM
Is it as good as "Skater Dater"? Haha!
My first real skateboard was a Gator.
nor cal nic
10-01-2003, 03:31 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Is it as good as "Skater Dater"? Haha!
[/ QUOTE ] no, but better than GLEAMING THE CUBE!
nic
justinm
10-01-2003, 03:59 PM
yeah,
a cholo like Robbie Benson-------
in that move that i don't remember the name but he played a cholo.......not stand and deliver(that guy's a philipino)
havn't seen the gator flim yet but i wanna.
i'm still happy to have seen the dogtown movie- that footage was the shit- what are you guys talking about! all that film was from craig stecyk and glen friedman- those guys are my heros.....
holmes.....
Come on...Benson's as much a Vato as that red-headed Malakhi was in whatever movie that was where he didn't say a word, he was loaded on Angel Dust looking like a wannabe Mike Muir. What movie was that?
**DONOTDELETE**
10-01-2003, 04:19 PM
RF, that would be COLORS.
I see you more the Johnny Depp type cholo
in the 21 Jump street episode when
he went undercover as Calavera.
All you need is a yellow pendleton.
Plowboy
10-01-2003, 04:35 PM
I remember watching unsolved mysteries back then when they were still trying to find out what happened to that chick. They showed a clip of the Tom Petty "free falling" video and she was sitting up the left side of the ramp when the "cameltoe girl" as I remember her, was gingerly rolling back and forth.
I tried to be a skater punk back in the day, but living on an oil and chip road was not condusive to "skate madness". Therefore I remained a Babe Winkleman groupie and continued fishing.
Colors...Colors...I can hear Ice-T now. I remember Robert Duval in the barrio with the red-headed vato...and Sean Penn with a racoon-face Maria Conchita Blah Blah Blah.
=mike=
10-01-2003, 06:18 PM
you fucked up now holmes . . . . you joined a gang .
Johnny Ace
10-01-2003, 06:18 PM
Okay..it's about movies now? I see how ya'll are....
First person to identify the person and movie to this quote wins a prize:
"Manny...you're such a LAME GOON!" (or something to that effect)...
Bonus quiz...Movie where ?? saves one of the RUNAWAYS on a skateboard...Who was this badass?
Like I said...prizes!
=mike=
10-01-2003, 06:36 PM
no way . . . okay it was leif garret , in skateboard . .. . hahahahah whoop whoop . manny is the team manager . booyah .
**DONOTDELETE**
10-01-2003, 06:37 PM
Johnny Ace are you hijacking this O/T post.
We're talking about famous white cholos.
Anyways my answer to your second question is
Hollywood Knights.
Newbomb tells that kid on the skateboard to get
a hair cut and saves him from becoming a hippie.
The_Monster
10-01-2003, 06:46 PM
Since were on the subject of old school skatin and videos... does anyone have a copy of "Ban This" from Powell Peralta?
I flippin gave mine away like 5 years ago and now I'm regreting it. It had all the greats in it.
Starts off with Frankie Hill tearing it up and ends with Tony Hawk busting out the first 540 ollie ever done. The first video featuring Guy Mariano, Gabriel Rodriguez, Rudy Johnson, and Paulo Diaz.
Plus you get to see Hawk, Saiz, Barbee, McGil, Underhill, Caballero, Lasek, Guerrero, Hill, Mountain, Saito and tons more
Remember Ray Barbee, that kick ass black dude with the trademark yellow baseball hat?!
Anyways, if you have a copy or know of where I can get one I'd appreciate it! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
=mike=
10-01-2003, 06:48 PM
http://damusandrips.itlord.com/intro.jpg
Johnny Ace
10-01-2003, 06:51 PM
Hahahahaha...woop/woop...=mike=....Nooooooooooooo http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif...it was Tony Alva,who harassed Leif all through the shoot......One mo chance ...The other movie was FOXES......who was the back-door aficionado who saved Cherie Currie?
=mike=
10-01-2003, 06:53 PM
damnit . .. I thought i had ya there . Manny was the guido team mannager / bus driver though . shit I think the last time I saw that movie i was like 13 or something !
Johnny Ace
10-01-2003, 06:56 PM
Where didya find that foto of ESnacky6 and Herm?
saltflataddict
10-01-2003, 06:56 PM
Yeah I own it (Ban This). But its all packed up right now we are in middle of a move. I will see when we get settled..
Great flick, but I have always been a Powell fan, and when Frankie Hill, and Ray Barbie busted out out it blew me away. Ray Barbie is still going stong with Lance Mountain and their team. The movie that really blew me away for street was Hokus Pokus by H-street. Matt Hensley ruled.
daign
10-01-2003, 07:28 PM
Theres a couple Ban This copies on ebay right now for $13 or less....
Check it out... (http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2 F&krd=1&from=R8&MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&Sor tProperty=MetaEndSort&query=ban+this)
I still have 2 gator decks in storage. One of em mint.
-Dane
J. Cougar
10-01-2003, 07:38 PM
Hey Germ, definently check it out. It kinda makes him look like an asshole though.
=mike=
10-01-2003, 08:11 PM
the part about him being a murderer , or the rest of it . . ?
J. Cougar
10-01-2003, 08:18 PM
The first half talks about how cool he was and how everybody liked him.Then the second half talks about how much of a rock star he ws trying to be.Everyone was bagging on him even Jason Jesse.
Sam F.
10-01-2003, 11:04 PM
kinda weird,but,i stopped by my parrents pad tonight and my mom had a box of my old shit.shit from like my child hood, a bunch of cool shit along with these drawings i did at least 15 years ago. i used to draw alot back then,but now i dont really have the time anymore.
anyways heres some old shit i drew of skate board art along time ago,sorry for the shitty pics...
Sam F.
10-01-2003, 11:06 PM
the other
ESnacky6
10-02-2003, 12:07 AM
Johnny Ace...
That was RAD..!! "ESnacky6 and Herm"...
HAHAHAHAHAHA...!!!
I wiiiissh I was more 'cholo'...
(maybe when the Rivi's on the road...)
Suicibal Bro..!!!
67Imp.Wagon
10-02-2003, 03:27 AM
[ QUOTE ]
HOOLIGAN....I may or may not post an infamous foto of Tex Gibson passed out,butt nekkid, on a Dallas sofa ....pale-ass a glowin'...Those guys could ingest ANYTHING and still skate like pros....Craig would SLAM his big carcass down on the Clown Ramp and get up laughing like it was nuthin'....
[/ QUOTE ]
Johnny Ace, your bringing back some memories for me. I sucked too much too ever skate the clown ramp. We use to hit some clubs then stop by there at about 1:00 AM and Johnson and Phillips would both be out there drunk off their asses just shredding the hell out of that ramp. They could barely walk but somehow managed to skate.
Johnny Ace
10-02-2003, 11:31 AM
ESnacky6....homeskillet! MAIN, don't be a sholo....Keep workin' that "Jack" fella from "SUBURBIA" punk look...puro ol'eskool....fuggin' 16 yr old spooky and punk chicks would be hanging out yo RIVI....so what if they ain't no strip clubs in Santa Cruz....chicks love WHITE PUNKS in RIVIs! If you were a sholo,you would be having to bust that time-clock in order to buy chit for yo baby's momma... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
And another thing, my bolillo - bro, how come you tell all female customers at the chop that in order to get pierced, they gotta be FULLY NUDE?
TRUE ART hovers over S.C. like that alien warship in Independence Day....btw...flipped through an earlier CKD- there was HUDGE!
ESnacky6
10-02-2003, 04:48 PM
I am laughing sooo hard right now Johnny...!!!
thinking about changing my screen name even...
(thank GOD there is no baby & baby's momma..!!)
How's the t-shirt design coming along..??
Not sweating it at all, just curious...
I'm sure you've been really busy...
I can't wait for your book man...I'm stoked about it..!!
And Herm's intro too...you guys ever get ahold of one another..??
We'll tip a few back in honor of your absence tonite...
Later Brother...
kentikitone
10-03-2003, 11:38 AM
this is an interview from NPR about that gator movie if ya wanna listen. ken park and Helen Stickler where interviewed on fresh air. fresh air (http://www.freshair.com) do a guest search for ken park from t he archived shows section. the links are screwed up so i couldn't link directly to the interview. i really wanted to see that movie. i remember gator, but i was only 9 or 10 when this happened, i think.
saltflataddict
10-03-2003, 12:07 PM
Ken Park, yeah thats a oldy. That was my very 1st board, a Madrid Ken Park, with all the dressings. I remember scratching it for the 1st time, I about cried. I had it all Tracker flapper, bones rails, and mini rails, Skid Plate, and nose guard. Wish I still had, But it got stolen on the 2nd attempt from my locker. The 1st time it was stolen, the fucker tried to sell it to Hot Skates on Colorado blvd. in Glendale, lucky for me the owner remembered selling it to me and yanked it back. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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