New to the HAMB, not a newb......

[Trimmer Len]

Hello, My name is Leonard and I live in the Kansas City area. I'm an auto upholsterer, specializing in custom interiors. I work at Hot Rod Express in Blue Springs,MO. I was raised in the auto trim business, and have done custom work exclusively for close to 20 years.

For most of that time I have not been in a position financially to build or buy a rod for myself. That has recently changed. I didn't hit the lottery or the like, mind you, but have gotten to a point that I actually have a little extra now and then. So I started a roadster pickup build that will be done in an old school style. I have gotten a little grief from others about some aspects of the build, so I will refrain from speaking about it for now.

I have enjoyed reading the posts here, and signed up to hopefully contribute and garner ideas and info.

[HellRaiser]

HMMMM....gona havta keep your number handy for future reference.

Hells Bells, just jump right in and ask questions, that's what this house is for...

Welcome, sit back, relax, have a beer or three, and you be one of the old timers in no time.

HellRaiser

[Trimmer Len]

Will do.

[Silhouettes 57]

Welcome aboard to the H.A.M.B. and I too will have to keep your number handy, a long drive but who cares?
Lets see some pictures of your pickup.

[Cruiser]

Trimmer Jim,

Welcome to the fast lane on this web site, hold on for the ride! Since your a upholsterer you my be able to answer this question. In the Midwest and East Coast they call a traditional interior Rolls and Pleats were as we on the West Coast call it Tusk and Roll. Every time I hear Rolls and Pleats it doesn't sound right. Do you know were the term Rolls and Pleats came from, is it a upholsterer term?................

Cruiser :cool:

[Trimmer Len]

I do believe "roll and pleat" came from the trade itself. It is basically a description of the process of sewing the pleats. I find myself using both terms. I'm not sure of this, but the two terms could be describing two slightly different methods, also. Roll and pleat meaning to blind sew the pleats through the padding, and tuck and roll meaning to sew the pleats to a backing, and stuffing them individually.

But I could be wrong.

[Trimmer Len]

Lets see some pictures of your pickup.

OK, I will go out on a limb and post some pics of my RPU. I hope I dont get flamed........

[Trimmer Len]

Last few....

[Trimmer Len]

In case anyone is wondering, this will be painted. Black on a red frame, maybe with silver suspension parts. Maybe.

[GizmoJoe]

WAY cool Len!
I hope you post more pics of this project as it progresses.

[Trimmer Len]

Latest pics. Got the rear suspension fabbed up.

[GizmoJoe]

I just bought an S15 2wd, V6, 5spd today. I have old Bug. Hmmmm
This is REALLY tempting.
But I guess I'll continue building the body of my rpu from scratch.
Any "flaming" done yet? I hope not. It looks like you got sumpthin good goin on there.

[40chev]

can't wait to see how it turns out....How are you going to do the windshield frame?? gonna cut the posts off the doors??

Very cool so far....keep up the great work....

[Trimmer Len]

How are you going to do the windshield frame?? gonna cut the posts off the doors??

The posts will be cut off at 8" tall, and filled at the top. Glass will be cut flat across the top and edge polished. Here is a "concept" pic I did in Corel Draw. I also used Draw to layout the frame profile. The drawing was created at 1:1 scale.

[GizmoJoe]

Just my opinion but I wouldn't cut them off. They would guide the windows and provide lots of strength. And look pretty cool.
Again.. just my opinion.

[GizmoJoe]

Sorry. You replied to 40chev before I hit send.
I think you got yourself a little bit of interest here. :)
Lots of old VW owners here.

[Trimmer Len]

Gizmo, this will be a true roadster, no side glass!:D I am glad to see some genuine interest in my project! It will surely help keep me motivated.

[GizmoJoe]

Hey Trimmer...
In my part of the world if I want drive a vehicle for any length of time side glass is heavily desired.
Nova Scotia is beautiful but sometimes our summers aren't long enough.
If you need motivation just keep posting. There might be nay-sayers when they see vdub parts but there will be many more supporters.
Especially with good looking work like this.

[Trimmer Len]

Too cold up there for me!

[GizmoJoe]

Each to their own. ;)
We're about like Maine for weather. Sorta.
It's funny though... every now and then we usually get a traveller or two (I won't say from where) in July come across on one of the boats with skis on their cars expecting to see snow.
True story.
By the way.. what year is the bug?

[52 HenryJ]

now that thing is cool!!! and welcome!

[David Chandler]

That's slick! It's the right size and shape. Keep up the good work. Also New Hampshire isn't much warmer than Nova Scotia, so I know what he means about weather protection.

[Trimmer Len]

Thanks for the kudo's!

I forgot to mention the cool pieces I picked up today. My boss brought in the original cast aluminum gas pedal and cast iron brake pedal from his '36 Seagrave rollback project! I'll post some pics tommorow.

[GizmoJoe]

Your boss have pictures of his project anywhere on the web?
What drivetrain you going to run?
Ya.. if I had lots of cash I'd have a nice weather ride and a closed-cab ride. Same with fenders. But we must have fenders (law) and with the weather and roads, open wheels just aren't fun all the time.
So I'll have a well-sealed removable hardtop for my rpu. It will be my daily driver so it needs to versitile. The only time it will see a trailer is to pull one. ;)

[Trimmer Len]

There is one picture of it on this page.
http://hotrod-express.com/past_projects_2.html
He is building a new garage at his house for this thing. His existing garage is not high enough, and it will take up to much space at the company shop when the back half is added.

[hibbyjr53]

Glad to have you aboard. The V Dub project is tits man.
Don't worry,you might get a little flack about it, but all and all they are looked at here as Hot Rods with tradition.
There was a thread just last week that went pages.
Just ask Jesse James.... I think he has a love/hate thing for them. Ha,Ha

[GizmoJoe]

Len...
I took a peek at the Seagrave. Looks like it's gonna be a nice one too.
There are some sweet looking interiors on the site.
Is Alvin your offspring?

[Trimmer Len]

Thanks, Gizmo. Alvin is my nephew. His old man(my older brother, "KC AL" here) is also a trimmer. The kid has a lot of raw talent. Has been with us for a few months, and has already indeared himself to the owners.

[GizmoJoe]

Gee, Trimmer... talk about keepin' it in the family! ;)
I can do a whole bunch of things. DONE a whole bunch of things.
But wood and upholstery just seem (no pun intended) to escape me.
I've shown and talked about your rpu to a bunch of people. They twist their head and say. "A bug? Huh?". That is until they see the pictures. Then they say, "Wow! A Bug!" and a big smile come on their face. I guess you got the goods.
Did I miss what you were gonna run for an engine?
Giz

[Trimmer Len]

For now the plan is a SBC and T350 setting in a van belonging to one of the owners. I am gonna be so deep in the "favor" list, I'll never get out!

We have kept in the family, for sure. My old man, as well as an uncle were trimmers.

[GizmoJoe]

I've seen 454s under a bug body before. I think your ride will be much better!
I understand the "favor" list all too well. ;)
I'm still in the planning stages for my "29 A"-ish rpu. I say "ish" because most of it will be from stratch. I beat panels for about 20 years so it doesn't scare me too much.
At this point I'm going to use my S15 as the basis of the truck and get it usable. A v6 and 5 speed will do nicely for this one.
I've been told that I have to construct the frame for my next project.
I don't even know what it is yet. Strange? Yup.
A good buddy of mine says he has a "present" for me when I'm driving this one. He has a 33 Buick, a 32 A and numerous others bits and pieces. I'm not proud. I'll take just about anything! Not much to choose from around here. Too much salt air and rust.
Oh... cool about the history of trimmers. My dad got my brother and me into fixin' stuff decages ago. Good times.
Anyway.. didn't mean to take over your post. Keep the pictures coming!

[Trimmer Len]

I took some pics of the old gas and brake pedals, but left the camera at the shop. I'll try to get them up tomorrow.

[GizmoJoe]

Oh well. That happens.

[Trimmer Len]

Here's those pics of the Seagrave pedals. Still have to clean them up. The gas pedal is still attached to the old cast aluminum floorboard.

[GizmoJoe]

Gee. That brake pedal looks like it could hurt the bottom of your foot if you step on the tabs instead of the flat.
Neat though.
How will you clean them up?
Get any time on your roadster?
I'm going to look at an A cowl, fenders and pickup box tomorrow.
Just like a kid at Christmas. I'll never grow up.

[Trimmer Len]

The tabs do worry me a bit. I will start the clean up with a visit to the blast cabinet. After that, I think I will just paint the brake pedal. I am thinking about painting the grooves in the gas pedal after some smoothing and edge polishing, leaving the face unpolished. I did get some time on it after work today. But did not get a lot done. I planned on hanging the front end, but ran into a problem with the spindles and bearings. I made a post about the issue here:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2287443#post2287443

[GizmoJoe]

Shame about the spindles. It's great to be able to fab stuff but better to not have to do it for every little thing.
It's like tech support... I like to know that I can get good support but I hope I never need it. ;)
I like your idea of painting only the grooves on the pedals. That should look nice.

[Trimmer Len]

Well, I have a roller! I got the front end hung today, but have a couple problems.:( The biggest is the tires are leaning out at the top, see the pics. I am not sure what I am going to do about that. The other problem is the steering cross link does not clear the spring. I hope I can fashion a spacer strong enough to work.

Any ideas would be welcome.....

[GizmoJoe]

Hey there...
Had any great ideas about the issues you mentioned in your last post? Wrong spindles? Bent axle?
Today I made a deal for a '30 A cowl, drivers door, and pickup box (in pieces but all there). I'm a little scared that I won't find front fenders reasonably. Rears don't bother me. They look like something I can build. I guess I just have to get an English wheel put together or some big bucks for fenders. Not many spare parts around this area.

[Trimmer Len]

The consensus around the shop is to add more arch to the axle. I may have another solution in the works, though. My brother in in the process of gathering parts for a 34' pickup build, and has a 36'-40' axle. He really wants a dropped axle, but is also on a budget. If I can talk the boss into giving my brother a deal on a take out front end he has, I will be able to get the stock 36' axle from my brother. It will solve a couple issues I have. First the camber problem, but also my front end is wider than the rear. The model A axle is 50" pin to pin, and the 36' axle is 48. My spring setup is not optimum, and will have to have a panhard bar added, but the perch bolt spacing on the 36' axle is 2" wider, and will correct that problem. So, tomorrow I need to put the hard sell on the boss!

I will fix the crosslink problem by flipping the spindles around, moving the link to the front.

[GizmoJoe]

Were you able to convince/threaten/plead with the boss for the deal?

[Trimmer Len]

Yes, but it was still more than my brother could afford right now. Their was a lot more parts than the axle there. It was a complete front end, axle, spring, spindles, rotors, calipers, crosslink, and batwings. All of it from P&J's.

A local collision shop guy is supposed to come by and have a look at my chassis to tell if he can re-arch it on his frame machine.

[GizmoJoe]

Too bad for your brother. :( That sounds like it would have been a nice package.
I hope they can re-arch the axle. It would be an "easy" fix compared to other possibilities.
Any activity on the Seagrave pedals or is that a back-burner project?

[Trimmer Len]

The pedals are kinda back burner. I will probably do them on a day I want to work on it, but don't feel like pushing the car in and out.:rolleyes:

The axle package is a great deal. About $1500 retail new, and it only had about 300 miles on it!

If I cant find someone to fix my axle, I will dissasemble it and try it myself in the press at work. I got the cab set on the chassis last night. Next will be floor sub structure, and mounts. Then I will have to get the motor and trans out of the old van, as I need it in place to build the tunnel and pans.

[GizmoJoe]

Really nice!
I can only imagine (unfortunately only imagine considering the state of my project) how good it is for you to see the two together.
With that amount of Z-ing and kick-up you will have a major channel job on the box/bed or it will be wicked shallow!
So will the axel-package get parted out or wait for a mate?
You must have a healthy press to try the axel yourself.
Good luck.

[Trimmer Len]

It took me almost an hour to get over it well enough to actually get a little work done to it! All I got done was cutting the left pillar post to height, and trimming off the drivers door posts. Spent the rest of the time crouched down about door top level, staring at it.

The axle package will most likely remain a package until the next large swap meet, or until Mike(the boss) decides on his next build.:D

[GizmoJoe]

Yup... It's really amazing how it feels for some of us to build/fix/modify something.
I could write a whole pile about life lessons learned by fixing stuff while I grew up.
Today I picked up a rusted-out cowl and box for my '30 pickup project.
It seems that I've spent hours planning and day dreaming about it.
Amazing how time flies when you are having fun.
Can't wait to see the outcome of your build.
I still look at my sons '71 Bug in my back yard and think.. hmmm. Naw. Too many other projects to work on. ;)
Cheers.

[Trimmer Len]

I haven't gotten a lot done since my last post, but I did get some new goodies! I picked up a gas tank that I like. It came from a co-workers T-Bucket when he purchased it. He built a larger one soon after getting it years ago. My brother gave in to the devil on his shoulder and bought a Superbell 4"dropped I-beam(what he really wanted), so I got the 36' axle to replace the A axle I have.

The really cool score is these headlights and lenses!

[GizmoJoe]

Wow. Lots of parts dancing around there!
Hopefully your brother will recover from his giving in to tempation. ;)
Those are really interesting lenses. What they are from?

[Trimmer Len]

I don't know what the lenses are from. I think they are "aftermarket". The boss likes to collect this kind of stuff. He has several sets of these, and a lot of the old bud vases. I also made a deal for some nice headers and mufflers.

These headers. One of our customers bought this car, and immediately started changing stuff!

[GizmoJoe]

I guess it's great for you that the boss like to collect "stuff"!
Those headers look really good but they are different than what you had in your concept drawing. Think you'll be able "settle" for them? ;)

[Trimmer Len]

Yep, for the price I got! I will have a couple hours work invested in em'!

[GizmoJoe]

Hard to beat a good deal...

Are we gonna see any pics of your brother's truck at some point?

[Trimmer Len]

Not much to see yet. He's in the planning/gathering stage right now. He has the cab, a 58' ford moredoor to rob the rear end and possibly the good Y block from. A pair of A radius rods, and of course the new axle. He called me today to order the steel, cause I can save him a few $$'s.

[galaxastang]

Hello Len, I'm also new to HAMB. My is Wally, I work on harley's mostly,but now it is time to finish the two project cars I have.I have a 67 Galaxie 500 and 65 Mustang straight axle gasser. By the way I love that vw project, who'd of thought (other than you) with a little chopping it would have the perfect lines for it. Hope to see more pics in the future, Good Luck with it! Quick question,I have all the upholstrey and head liner for my stang. Is this something I can do myself? Or, would it be a better idea to take it to the local shop? THANX, Wally

[GizmoJoe]

It sounds like he's on a roll though.
It all takes time, money and a bit of luck. Unless you have a cartload of money... then you are set.
I'm still gathering and de-rusting parts. I'm trying molasses dip on some parts and electrolysis on others instead of blasting. It's working quite well.

[Trimmer Len]

Wally, I would definitely recommend taking the seats to a trim shop. Those years are some of the toughest to get on looking good. The carpet kit should not be a big problem for you. Replacement door panels are a breeze, with a little care. A basic R&R type job. The headliner could be troublesome, depending on a couple things. First, are the windshield and backglass still in the car? If so, do you intend to replace them? The headliner material is glued over the pinch weld around both, or should be in these year models. Next, is the old headliner still in the car? If not are the metal bows in place or marked as to location? Figuring this out can be fun, if they have been removed unmarked. If these things are kosher, you could attempt the headliner yourself. You will need a quality contact cement such as 3M General Trim Adhesive. Most parts stores have or can get this. Or get some from the local trim shop/upholstery supply. The 3M glue is the only aerosol I would recommend for this. If the old one is still in the car, take note of the glued ares. Apply glue to these area's, and with the bows in the listings of the new headliner, placed upside down on a flat surface, spray glue around the perimeter of the entire headliner, about 6" wide. Let it dry until it will barely stick to your hand. If unsure wait a little longer. Next hang the bows and headliner back in the car. Take note of the bow attachments, they will have a notch that prevents the bow from rotating one direction, or one bow will be stationary. I dont remember which on this model. You will want to pull the center front or back depending on this. Usually it is the back. Be sure to have the fabric centered in the car. Then pull and set the other end at the center. Only apply enough pressure to get it to hold at first, you may need to reposition. Then start seting the sides, starting in the middle. You may need to clip the listings at the ends to let the fabric move far enough out to the sides. Then it's just pull and set, working from centers out until it is snug and wrinkle free. DO NOT trim any fabric until it is fitting well all around. If this sounds too complicated, by all means find a quality trim shop that has someone experience with these old cars. Hope I was helpful!

Gizmo, got any links to the electrolysis method? I have heard of it, and would like to give it a try.

[GizmoJoe]

Gee, Len.. great info for Wally or anyone else too!
I grabbed info from these two sites:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/andyspatch/rust.htm
http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/rust/electrolytic_derusting.htm
I'll post a note in a 1/2 hour or so with some hints, tips and experiences.
Gizmo

[GizmoJoe]

As promised...
The big things I learned so far(some are mentioned on the web but imprtant enough to repeat):
-first.. it really is simple to do!
-use plastic containers for the dipping tubs. Or wooden cases lined with THICK plastic sheet
-low amps and volts.. not the wacked-out amounts some people speak of using. 1/4 - 1/2 amp works for "smaller" parts like fenders
-I used a power supply from a laptop computer. Worked great! I took the cover off though to help cooling.
-less liquid, not more. If you have an odd-shaped part put plastic containers filled with water around it to take up space and cut down on liquid
-I used 1 tablespoon of washing soda to one gal. water like suggested
-it sure is "line-of-sight". Build an encompasing anode so it can see as much of the cathode (part to clean)
-degrease parts or it will be slower.
-MAJOR rust scum forms on water and "sacrificial" anode.
-NO STAINLESS STEEL! Produced Cadmium. Deadly fumes. I used 16 guage metal for my anodes. It's what I had and was easy to form around the part to be cleaned
-I didn't find it flashed back to rust as quickly as some say. Rinse well after as suggested and the treat as you would any other fresh metal
Hmmm.. if there is anything else that comes to mind I'll post.
I'm also becoming a great fan of molasses dipping (sure thought that was a joke until I read and tried it). It's slow but I have shiny steel on a 20 year old brake adjuster after it soaked for 3 weeks.
Cheap, gentle and walk-away simple but slow and smells bad.
I hope I didn't forget anything. It was a mentally taxing day so I'm not sure if all the synapses are firing. ;)

[GizmoJoe]

oops.. oh ya. It took about 48 hours on tough stuff, 24 on easier parts.
PLEASE do this in a well ventilated area. And no smoking. Hydrogen gas goes BOOM!
I actually did it outside with a tarp over the whole thing

[Trimmer Len]

Very helpful! I have not read everything on both sites, so it may have been there, but I did not see the tip about minimizing solution amounts, and anode exposure. I will be giving this a try soon. I have a nice 35 amp, 15 volt regulated, variable power supply. It should do this very well!

I did see the part about hydrogen, so I will set it up in my old drafty garage...err, pole barn.....

[Trimmer Len]

Have you tried or read of using electrolyte as in batteries? I have about a pint leftover from the last battery I bought for my mower.

[GizmoJoe]

Variable amps is good. I would do some tests with the amperage with parts you don't care about. Too much power isn't great. Slower seams better.
Oh yes. A common fear is "hydrogen embrittlement" from the process. Metal will naturally go back to normal after a sort time or you can warm it up to speed up the process. It is explained on the site and isn't a big deal.
Battery acid is way too strong for this from what I've read.
Simple Arm & Hammer soda works very well and isn't as caustic.

[Trimmer Len]

Baking soda it is then! I have a piece at work I will give this a try on. This could be something we could use a lot at work, with a very minimal investment.

[GizmoJoe]

Oh, a point.. I meant to say Arm & Hammer WASHING soda, not baking soda (it's mentioned on one of those sites). Though some say they have used baking soda.
I hope it works as well for you as it did for me.
Cheap and less destructive than blasting or (shudder) acid dipping.
Cheers

[Trimmer Len]

I have never seen "washing soda"...could be a problem.

[GizmoJoe]

nah.. can't image it will be an issue. I got it at the grocery store.
There are even recipes on the web how to make it. If you have a chemistry-type-person around it's Na2CO3

[Trimmer Len]

I did see a reference to using lye, and I have seen that around. I will have to just do some digging.

[GizmoJoe]

Yup, but I read lye tends to be strong and harder on the steel. Also a real stinker on your skin, clothes and lungs.
Also consider disposing of it after.
Soda crystals is another name for the stuff as is sodium carbonate.
Common stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_carbonate

[galaxastang]

Thanx for the info Len. The glass is still in the car and is in great shape, so I did not intend on removing it. Does this mean I will have to or is there a way around this? The head liner was removed and the bows are laying in the trunk. How hard is it to locate them? THANX AGAIN, Wally

[Trimmer Len]

Placing the bows is trial and error. Keep placing them until they all fit about the same. The glass does not have to be removed, but getting it attached well under the rubber can be a bear, and it will have half the glue surface at best. If you attempt this you will need to fashion a tucking tool from a thick bladed putty knife by rounding the corners and dulling, then polishing the edges.

[Trimmer Len]

Gizmo, you were right, no trouble finding the soda. Not at my local grocery, but I did find it at a larger one on the way to work. I'll be setting up a vat this weekend.

[galaxastang]

Len, thanx again for your wisdom! Wally

[GizmoJoe]

That's great, Trimmer! I hope you have as much luck as I have with it. I bought a complete 30/31 A pickup box in pieces. I'm fabbing an anode to do each piece at a time and making the tank out of scrap wood that I have. I'll line it with thick plastic sheet that I bought from the hardware store and put down some car mats to protect the plastic sheet before lowering the whole package in the tank and givin' her the juice. I'll let you know how it goes.

[GizmoJoe]

How's it goin' Len? Any progress lately?
Make any Hydrogen yet?

[Trimmer Len]

A little. I got the new axle mounted. I also got some structural steel welded into the cab. The doors will now close without lifting them! I also got one door capped off. Just not much to take a picture of. I suppose I should, just for posterity.

I am making hydrogen as we speak. Finally got around to setting up a "vat" this evening after work. I went out and checked it just a while ago, and the water is already scummy with rust. The anode plates are also coved in a layer of scaly rust. It looks like I will have a nice clean part by morning. Well, after a rinse and scrub.

[GizmoJoe]

Great! Sounds like progress. Nice to not have saggy doors.
Yes, pictures for the scrapbook. You never know what you might want them for.

Depending on a number of variables count on 48 hours for the parts to clean up. Amps, size of anode to cathode, amount of rust...
The black magnitite that it creates on the part will scrub off nicely and what doesn't scrub off is converted rust and will be fine from what I read.
I've also heard stirring up the water once in a while will help the electrolsys work better. Some put a fish-tank air pump in to keep movement.
I've started taking the part out and scrub it after 24 hours to get some crud off (shutting down the power first).
If you have sensitive skin you might want to wear gloves. Especially cover your arms. Some people don't do well with the solution.
Good luck. Hopefully you won't be disappointed.

[GizmoJoe]

So... how did a dip in the "vat" turn out?
I have a very nice looking bed-side for my 30/31 truck after it went for a dip. One side was in great shape so I dipped it. The other side, not so much so I fired up the mig and have been working on it.

[Trimmer Len]

The part never got past the black stage. It would not scrub off. Dont know what I did wrong.....

[GizmoJoe]

If you don't scrub it off right away while it's wet the magnitite is harder to get off.
I used a wire wheel on mine and it's nice and shiney.
And any that doesn't come of is supposedly ok to prime over.

[Trimmer Len]

I did scrub it still wet. From the bucket to the sink. I was interested in this method as a time/work saver over using the blast cabinet at work. It don't seem to be working out that way. I may try again, on a piece large enough for it to be worth the trouble of setting it up. Like something a bit large for the cabinet, but to small to bother taking to the blaster dood.

[GizmoJoe]

Interesting.
I wonder what the difference is with our methods.
Blasting with a large blaster would certainly be faster but so much harder on thin steel like mine.
I've read about too much amperage being worse than too little.
I'll do some more reading on this.

Joe

[Trimmer Len]

Amps could be part of the problem, I guess. I could not get it less than about 3/4 amp, at 4-5 volts. With both turned down all the way. It was very strange. First time I ever hooked up my PS and was unable to kill the power with the variable controls.

[GizmoJoe]

The quantity of soda determines the strength of the electrolyte solution. The stronger the solution the more current will be drawn. Too much and it's like there is a wire directly between + and -.
I had a 6 amp charger peg a 6 amps and actually shut down on it's relay once. I dumped some solution and just added water to dilute the solution
The metal will pretty well always come out black but a plastic brush while rinsing off should have removed most of it.
Back to the books on this for me. I'll try an experiment or two this weekend.

[Trimmer Len]

I managed to get a little work done to the RPU this weekend! After firing up the small block to make sure it was still good to go, I got the motor and tranny pulled from the old van, and stripped all the un-needed bits. Man, what a messy chore! It still needs a major cleaning, but that can wait until I have all the heavy fabrication done to the frame.

The coolest part is I finnally got to see the actual ride height/rake!:D
The right side profile pic really shows it well, IMO.

[GizmoJoe]

That IS quite the profile! Nice.
She looks low and long.
I bet it's good to see some progress.

[Trimmer Len]

Yes it is! Now that the engine is in place, I can get a lot of other stuff moving along. Like the floor pans and tunnel, radiator shell mounting, header fabbing, etc.

[GizmoJoe]

Gee... don't psych your self out of all that work! ;)
But it's great to do that work, isn't it? I've been away for a few days and hurt myself before that (old and clumsy.. don't ask). I'll be getting back at my truck on Tuesday and can't wait.
We're just like kids at Christmas. Second childhood I guess.

[Trimmer Len]

Nah, no psych...I am looking forward to those parts of the build. Stuff that is visible progress. I'm NOT looking forward to the endless hours of welding and grinding, waiting on money for the next needed part......

[GizmoJoe]

How goes the project lately?

[Trimmer Len]

I haven't gotten much done lately. Some due to family stuff, but mostly due to money. Now that it has an engine sitting in it that needs covered up, it takes longer to get it in and out of the shop. That don't help any, either. I did get some tubing bent and welded into the cab for the tunnel/floorboard. I think I am going to lift the cab off the frame and set it on a cart to do the rest of the sheet metal work to it. Would be much easier to get in and out. I really wish I had the equipment to work on it at home.

[GizmoJoe]

Ya, I understand. My project is just up the road from me but even that slows me down. By the time I move stuff out or around the garage and get started, it's time to stop for the evening. It's going slow but I am enjoying it.
Probably a good idea to put the cab on a sturdy cart. Emphasis on the sturdy.
Good luck.

[GizmoJoe]

Hi Len,
Long time no type.
Just wonderin' if you've made much progress on your rpu lately.

[Trimmer Len]

Not a lot that can bee seen. Got half the floor pans in, and a grill shell mounted. sorry for the crappy cell phone pic.

[GizmoJoe]

Hey there!
Glad to hear there is still progress being made.
What is that grill from? I just can't make it out to be sure.
Joe

[yblock292]

thats kool as hell................nice going

[Trimmer Len]

More progress this weekend:D

Joe, I have no idea what the grill shell is! Neither did the boss, who gave it to me. I have such a sweet job.....:cool:

Sorry for the sh*tty pics, my camera shot craps. Had to take these with my celly.

[GizmoJoe]

Hey Len,
I'm sure SOMEONE will pipe up with an opinion as to the lineage of the shell. ;)

Neat headers. Now, I am in no way knowledgable about headers so smack me in the head for asking, but.. is the rear tube coming in quite sharp? Maybe the picture doesn't show as much angle as there really is but it looks like there isn't much "flow" into the exhaust stream. Maybe it doesn't matter at all. What do I know?

That trans/driveshaft tunnel looks good and beefy inside that cab considering what used to be there. :)

Any plans for the dash?

She's lookin' like a rod! I'm quite jealous. I've been sick for the last 2 weeks and haven't done a blessed thing on mine. I'll be away all next week so nothing will get done again. Oh well.

Joe

[Trimmer Len]

I suppose if I were concerned about optimum performance, the angle of the rear tube would be an issue. I would have had to buy an additional u-tube to get it to turn and enter at a better angle, and still enter far enough up to clear a baffle.

No set plan for the dash yet. I have been debating with myself on that one. Thought about a complete engine turn face, but also like the original dash inserts on either side of the original speedo. Guess I'll figure that one out when it's time to cut and weld:D

[GizmoJoe]

Yes, clearing the baffle is a bit important too. ;)
I don't think I'd get away with baffled pipes here. The law is really strict on stuff like that here.

They did have an neat looking dash with the side inserts. You'll just have to decide how far you want to go away from the vdub side of things or play it up a bit, just to bug the "trad. police".

BTW How's the Seagrave coming along?

[Trimmer Len]

The boss is about finished with his new shop building at his house, so he will soon be able to get back to work on the Seagrave. We just don't have space at work for it.

[Trimmer Len]

More progress this weekend! Got started on my bed.

[GizmoJoe]

Gee, that's great Len. You sure are moving along.
I sometimes wish I had started with new tin instead of trying to fix some old stuff. But hey... I'm havin' fun with it. Haven't done anything for 2 weeks though. Down with a nasty winter flu.
Room? Ya, I know what you mean.
Thanks for the update.

[Trimmer Len]

I lost three day's of wages and a weekend to that flu. Hope you get better soon.

[Trimmer Len]

More work done on the bed, almost ready to mount to the chassis. I still have to cut and form the axle openings, and make the tailgate chain tabs. Here's the latest pics. Still having to use the cell cam......Just cant make myself spend the bucks for a new camera. Too many parts to buy yet:D

[GizmoJoe]

Clean and simple. Looks good. (green with envy)
I finally got over that flu/chest infection. Wasn't fun. Haven't got much done this winter with one thing or another.
I have a fellow travelling to some shows this week who thinks he can get me some cab parts (the back of a 30-31 mainly). Can't wait.
How far will you be cutting for the axle openings?

[Trimmer Len]

I'm not sure of the measurement, but it will be about 4" below the framework you see in the pics. That will put the top of the opening near the bottom of the frame rail.

[Trimmer Len]

Got some more done today!

Got the tailgate chains done, and got the bed set on the frame so I could finally see it somewhat whole. Got so excited I forgot to get pics with the grill shell in place. My nephew did with the company's good camera, so I will be snatching them on Monday.

[GizmoJoe]

Cool! Exciting to have progress.
I forget that I'm not a kid sometimes with this stuff. ;)

I should have a good camera too but I'm cheap (like some others). Sad, since I'm a computer geek by trade now. But I guess I'm more of a grease monkey by heart, and wallet.
I've been "building" a lower control arm bushing for a Toyota Echo for a friend.
They don't sell just the bushing and the whole arm is like $150 bucks plus should do an alignment after so... cheapie-me to the rescue.

Get those pictures posted.

Weekend after next and I'm starting back on my parts to hopefully make them into a truck.
Cheers.

[Trimmer Len]

I thought I had the pics attached when I posted, but there musta been a bug in the works. There up now.

[GizmoJoe]

Hey Len...
What's the latest on the truck? How's it goin?

[mayej]

I just found this post and I'm anxious. More pics Len!
I used to have a 72 Super Beetle, I sure miss that car. Outlasted TWO Xwives..lol
I always wanted to put one of those Willys body kits on it, but, due to the divorces....well....ya know.
Bugs are the shite in my book. Keep it goin man. Awesome ride.
Jef
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i191/mayej/HAMBWelcomePicSMALLER.png

[mayej]

And as far as people flamin on ya for your choice, my Dad had a 1948 Mercury Coupe in 1950. Everyone gave him a rash when he put skirts on it and dropped it to the ground...in 1950. Now he's known as kool skool.
Remember, you're the one that owns it, do it like ya wanna.

[Trimmer Len]

I am making progress, just not much worthy of pics. Got a radiator fitted, moved the coil overs to the out side of the frame, fitted shock mounts to the front, made headlight mounting brackets, and a few other small details. I disassembled the whole thing last night and will be doing the finish welding to the frame today. Tomorrow I'll be spraying the POR15 on the frame. I've also been collecting up more parts. I got some cool little tail lights, bought a new wiring harness and one of those old style "add-on" turn signal switches. I also picked up a much better set of front spindles/rotors/brakes.

I will be sure to take some pics tomorrow of the bare frame to post as a start of the final assembly process...:D

[Dan Hay]

Cool truck, Welcome. I've driven by P&J's a hundred times..

[Trimmer Len]

Well, got er' done! The frame, anyway.....

[GizmoJoe]

Looks good Len.
That's a heck of a kickup when you see the bare frame.

[Trimmer Len]

Got some flake on my wheels this weekend! I also have much of the suspension parts painted and back on the frame.

[GizmoJoe]

Hey Len...
I zoomed in on the picture and can see the flakes really well.
Looks nice. I don't recall seeing flaked wheels before. Is that a common thing or are you starting a new trend? Maybe I'm just slipping a cog and have seen many before but can't recall.
They should give a real nice effect while cruising slow.
So the frame is about to be a roller again? Great stuff!

Joe

[Trimmer Len]

The frame should be a roller again by the weekend. I have seen flaked wheels a few times, so not an original idea...

[Elrusto]

Sorry if I missed it some where in the post, but how much was the kickup in the rear?

[Trimmer Len]

Sorry if I missed it some where in the post, but how much was the kickup in the rear?


14 inches

[Trimmer Len]

Progress Pics! Got the frame back to the roller stage, and got a bit more done to the cab. Finished the cab corners, and got the last piece in the tunnel.

[Trimmer Len]

One more

[GizmoJoe]

Lookin' good Len.
Body is looking less and less like a bug.
Going to dip or blast it after?

[Trimmer Len]

Blast and epoxy primer before fill and paint. I picked up a piece of 1/8" aluminum to make a dash panel with. Not sure what finish I will put on that yet. Maybe red flake like the wheels.

[GizmoJoe]

Gee... I lucked into Len's build through a search, subscribed to his thread and never noticed this wasn't on the regular board.

[Trimmer Len]

I just did not want to get railed on by the traditionalists. If GizmoJoe had not continued showing interest, I would not have kept posting. I came across the HAMB while surfing for ideas when first starting this project, and quickly realized my project wasn't really HAMB material.

[GizmoJoe]

Gee Len.. I didn't realize that I had any influence! :)
I found your thread while using google to hunt for "rpu" since the HAMB search won't do 3 letter searches.
I hear you about the traditional police. They can be real dweebs, unless THEY decide it's cool. Lots of hypocrisy with some of them.
Once you get this creature up and running... post the finished package to the main board just to see how sharp-eyed some of the folks really are. ;)
Don't show the dash area (if you are leaving it orig.) 'cause it's a dead giveaway. You can bet some will like it and some will not.
I do appreciate your posts but don't feel you have to keep posting. But you BETTER! ;)

[Trimmer Len]

I do plan on posting it in the main forum when finished, just to see what the reaction will be. And, speaking of the dash, I made this after work today. I'm not sure what finish I will give it, but I am leaning towards red flake like the wheels.

[GizmoJoe]

Aw man... that looks good. And I can picture it in flake. Nice.
What make of guages?
Reaction? Yes, I'll be watching for that.
PLEASE post to this thread when you are about to show it in the main section of the board.

[Trimmer Len]

Will do....The gauges are Dolphins.

[GizmoJoe]

I just went to their website. Too bad they don't have larger pictures of their stuff to show them off better.
Their prices seem reasonable but I don't know prices in many other places.

[Trimmer Len]

I got this set from a customer, who had us replace them with some parchment face antique style. He didn't like the black face in his black dash. I really know little about them, other than they look like quality gauges.

[josh77]

Excellent build man. I'm keeping an eye on this. :cool:

[Trimmer Len]

More real progress this weekend! Got all the sheet metal back from the sandblasters, got it in epoxy primer, and started slingin' mud!

[GizmoJoe]

Woo hoo!
Lookin' good.
Any little surprises after the blast?

[Trimmer Len]

Any little surprises after the blast?

No, I had found the only patch needed before. This car was almost rust free when I got it 20 years ago, and it spent the last 15 in my garage.

[GizmoJoe]

Gee. That's a long time sittting and waiting to start the project.
Must feel nice to be this far along.
I just finished "work" for the summer. I have a 10 month contract each year at the community college where I deliver IT courses to students.
The college spreads our 10 months of pay over 12 months, giving us the illusion of year round pay. ;)
I have a bunch of things I have to fix (2 daily drivers and house to work on) but this year .. the 30 A truck is getting some attention. I hope. ;)
Keep up the good work.
Oh, has your boss done any more to the Seagrave?

[Trimmer Len]

The car has a bit of history, actually. When I first got it, I did a "California" style customizing job to it. You know, shave the bumpers and trim, replace the front signals with some custom stuff, killer velour interior, shiny white paint, etc. I eventually got tired of constantly having to fart with it to keep it running, and parked it. It sat for a couple years, then I got the completly foolish idea to put a V6 mid-engine in it. Got as far as cutting out the torque tube, and adding some 2x3 tubing, and realized it was really eating into my model airplane time. So it sat for the remainder of that time until a little less than a year ago. It was then that the wife and I finally got our crap together financially and I could possibly afford to build a real hot rod. By then, I had done most everything I wanted to do with model airplanes, so here I am.


The boss has been really hittin it hard on the Seagrave. He finished his new garage built to fit it, and has gotten it out of storage and in that new space. This weekend he finished painting the back of the sleeper, which he left unpainted due a previous plan to make an RV of sorts. He will be hauling the rollback chassis home sometime this week. Then it will be time to cut the front off of the rollback chassis,(it was wrecked and the cab stripped, leaving the front suspension) then put 'em together.

Your just gonna have to put up with that leaky faucet, and get some work done to that 30 A!

[GizmoJoe]

hahah 3 more days on one daily and it will be done.
Then some engine work and a paint job on daily #2.
A fellow around here that buys old junkers for scrap saw a couple clunkers in my yard (80's stuff) and wanted them. He roams the country side.
I told him A and T (or was that T and A?...) parts that he finds are MINE. So we have a deal.
They are super rare here.
He's already drug a frame to me. (not an A but good shape) and says he has a line a few flatheads. OOoooo
So maybe I'll get things rolling soon.

Gee.. the bug had quite the history! Any pictures? THAT will be a great part of a write up when you are done. :)
A few years ago there was a bug body on a tube frame with a 454 up front.
I sat in it and the owner told me to start it up. Scary. Just plain scary.

Sounds like the boss is gonna keap the Seagrave for a while... building a garage around it. Neat.

Well.. off I go to a local shop here (about the only real hot rod shop around here). Flathead Fred is the guy's name and man.. he does sweet work. Show quality (no exageration). I've known him forever.
Another buddy of his that I know a little has his 32 Chev there. They work on it 2 nights a week.
They are "engouraging" (kicking me in the butt is more like it) me to work on my truck more.

[Trimmer Len]

No pictures of it's past life, regrettably.

Here are the latest progress pics, though! If I got the order right, the first pic should be after the coat of spray poly, and the remaining two are after blocking the poly. The darker gray area's are SEM primer on the bare metal spots.

I spray color by next weekend!

[GizmoJoe]

I recall taking in a customer's car, didn't look too bad, and tearing it down.
People would say, "you are ruining it!".
After a couple of days grinding, welding, filling.. they say,"haven't been getting much done, have you..."
Slap a coat of primer on and they say, "FINALLY did some work, did you?".
Appearances and understanding of the process sure helps.
So (with tongue in cheek) I say to you..., "FINALLY did some work, did you?".
Lookin' good.
Have you mentioned what color it will be?

[Trimmer Len]

The plan has been to put the sheet metal in simi-gloss black. But, along with that I had intended to paint the frame red. In the interest of time, I ended up shooting the frame gloss black with POR15. So now I am considering an antique white, or similar color that will work with the red flake wheels.

I know what you mean with the conception of work completed. It took three times the hours to get the body roughed in than it did to spray and block the poly!

[GizmoJoe]

Ah yes.. and maybe silver suspension parts. That's what you wrote.

I think an antique white (you mean closer to the cream side?) would look classy.

I spent 3 hours today fabbing and welding on a lower cab corner and a rocker panel for my brother's truck. I guess I work faster in my mind than in real life. ;)

What's POR15 go for around your parts? It's kinda rare around here and consequently expensive.

[Trimmer Len]

POR15 cost's me 45 US for a quart. I'm not sure what it would cost retail. The suspension parts are painted with Rustoleum silver hammer finish.

[GizmoJoe]

Thanks for the price. I guess it's not that much more here then. I forget exactly but it's a lot of bucks.
Does the quart cover a decent amount or do you have to apply a couple coats?
Silver hammer for suspension, black for frame, red flake for wheels.
Yup. I think you might be right with antique white for the body.

Edit: I guess the price isn't as bad as I thought. It's 49 Canadian a quart plus shipping. They say 96 sq. ft. of coverage but how accurate is that?

[Trimmer Len]

I used a little over a pint to spray the frame. I gave it a couple coats. I painted the rear axle with an acid brush, and still have a little less than an inch in the can. Also, no need to buy the POR15 brand thinner if you want to spray it. We just use urethane reducer. Works fine.

[GizmoJoe]

Gee. Thanks for the info!
That's a whole lot better than I expected.
I just might have to get some of that stuff.
We have LOTS of salt air here in good old Nova Scotia.
Therefore, we have LOTS of rust. :(

[Trimmer Len]

I got this Be-ach painted!

[GizmoJoe]

Congratulations!
That must feel good having that done! :)
Looks good.
Some pictures make it look whiter than others. Lighting, I guess.
So.. got a drying booth or just let it set for a while!

[Trimmer Len]

Letting it dry overnight.

[GizmoJoe]

Progress. I'll be having some soon. After this week.

[Trimmer Len]

Much progress this week and weekend! Got the chassis back to the shop, and got a bunch of stuff bolted to it.

[GizmoJoe]

Hey Len.
Looking like a rod!
Must have been kinda odd working with a painted body after the time spent fabricating and stuff. Rewarding, I expect.
Happy with the outcome thus far? Any changes you wish you would have made?
Hard to zoom in a lot on a 640X480, 72 dpi picture but it looks like a a little shimmer of light on those wheels.
You'll be driving it soon!
I'm back from a week of building a shed and some other chores (7 hours away).
Now I'll change a wrist-pin and bushing in my 93 Camry (bought cheap, VERY nice car, super shape). After that.. the truck gets some attention.
I call it a truck. It IS a truck.. in spirit. Truck parts anyway. ;)

[Pete Fox]

Hi,
Congratulations; I think it is a good and new idea to use an old bug body to make a convertible pick-up from it! When can we see the end product?
Peter

[Trimmer Len]

I'm used to working with finished paint,Joe, most of the cars I work on come to me after paint.

Pete, my goal is to be ready for Greaserama at the end of August. I have been really putting in the hours trying to finish it in time. Here are the latest pics.

[rayford]

welcome trimmer from ga cool looking BUG

[GizmoJoe]

Lookin really nice Len.
I meant I figured it was odd for you to be working on this build having it finally a painted body.
End of August look realistic for you? It does from the pictures.
And... I expect you won't have any problems getting an interrior in place. ;)

[Trimmer Len]

End of August look realistic for you?

If I stay on this pace I should be able to.

[GizmoJoe]

That's great! Hope you don't run out of steam.
You better be taking pictures of the first outing... not just the rod but the look on people's faces when they realize it's heritage. ;)
Wish me luck tomorrow. It's supposed to rain so I'll be able to hide in the garage and finish making the English wheel. Then I'll start on making it convertible to a plannishing hammer.

[Pete Fox]

That looks real nice allready! Hope you will finish it before the end of august!
Peter

[GizmoJoe]

Hey Len... I got my English wheel setup enough to try it out this evening!
There's still a lot to do to it (I'm slow) and I still have to make it convertible to a plannishing hammer setup.
I rolled a small piece to give it a crown. Then I smacked a few sharp dents into the piece and wheeled them out. It needs LOTS of adjusting and finishing but I am pumped!
Oh.. I'm not a wheel virgin anymore. I pinched my thumb, twice! No blood though.

[Trimmer Len]

More progress....That progressive carb linkage was a pain in the a$$ to figure out!

[GizmoJoe]

Gee Len... that manifold and carbs just scream "FEED ME"!
I bet that will scoot down the road.
A full-on side view would be appreciated at some point.
Lookin' sharp, man!

[Trimmer Len]

I cant get a good vantage point for the side shot with it in my shop area. Backed up against the wall with the camera, and still cant get the entire thing in the shot. The side shot of the headers was taken from just the other side of the door to my shop.

[GizmoJoe]

I can relate. I had 3 people in the shop where my parts are and with the 5' high english wheel... there was barely enough room to breathe.

[Trimmer Len]

Made more progress today! I got the bugs worked out of the throttle linkage, and the throttle pedal installed. I spent the rest of the day fabricating the shifter. It is made from a 48' chevy heavy truck parking brake lever. Even managed to get functional reverse lockout and such like a store bought jobber!

[GizmoJoe]

Dang! You are moving along!
Good that you got the lockout on it. A nice, simple looking unit.
I always wonder how many guys have their transmissions pop into reverse, especially the ones with the shifters that go all the way to the roof.
I won't have that issue. At this point I have a T5 in the parts pile.
The gauge cluster looks good...

[DBAG]

I have gotten a little grief from others about some aspects of the build, so I will refrain from speaking about it for now.

Welcome, I'm not too far behind you in the "new posters" catagory! I can say if your build is what you want..remember it's YOUR car. They're not paying for it so do what you like man. It sure beats the 80's Cutlass at a "kod and kustom" show I saw with hydraulics being more the center of attention than the '28 Model A roadster that was period correct as hell that no one batted an eyelash to this weekend!

cheers
DBAG

[GizmoJoe]

Well Len.. I spent the day on my donor truck (an S-15 with a V6 and a T5) and stripped it to the ugly frame.
I plan on running full fenders to hide it all (have to around here for law and weather anyway) and want to get something together in my lifetime.
I'll find or fab a nice frame for my next project.. maybe.
Now I can start building the cab and mount the box.
I'll be keeping this one quiet too. An S15 frame.. how terrible of me. ;)
But I'm not being paid to build this so I'm the one I worry about liking it.

[PASTDUEBILL]

Been following your build. What a cool truck! I think this is what alot of so called Rat rodders are thinking but don't have the talent, imagination or means to follow through and be safe and tastful as you have. Can't wait to see it finished. Not calling your truck the R word, hope you understand my point.

[Trimmer Len]

I understand comepletely, Bill. When I first concieved the idea, I envisioned it as inspired by the stance and style of some of the cooler rat builds out there. I like the aggresive in your face look of them, but I'm not fond of rust. I have spent the last 15 years of my career in a shop where it is Enemy #1.

Gizmo, great to hear you have finally found some time to get some work done! I see nothing wrong with a donor frame on a fendered ride. And the S trucks make good, plentiful donors. Someone told me thay are the easy to shorten the wheelbase. Something about the frame rails......

[GizmoJoe]

Thanks Len.
The S frame has a weird dip and bulge just behind the front clip. I'll cut that out and put in a straight piece that will follow the cowl-door bottom line. From that piece back, the frame is straight and simple to shorten. Mine has about a 117" wheelbase so I have about 14" to remove.
Starting to get excited about the build.
Also.. I have some T stuff around and my brother is just about convinced to build something. He works far too hard and has so many responsibilities that I'm trying to get him to have some fun.
We used to do autobody and collision repair along with my dad who did frame repair. Gee... that was nearly 20 years ago. Sigh.
Yes, rust is enemy # 1.
Patina. What a silly thing to call rust.

[Trimmer Len]

I got a new donation to the cause yesterday! This old bypass oil filter came from a late 40's GMC truck that is at the shop as a donor to update the brakes on a 33 Chevy 1 ton. I have modified it to operate as a puke tank and will mount it on the firewall.

[GizmoJoe]

Oh that's a cool looking tank. Nice price too.

[Trimmer Len]

Well, I will not be able to finish the RPU very soon. Saturday morning I suffered a mild heart attack. I received angioplasty, and feeling well now. But the rod is on hold for at least a few weeks.

[GizmoJoe]

GEE LEN!
Man.. that sucks!
Thankfully you are doing better now.
Angioplasty seems to do a really good job with the folks I know who have had the procedure.
This down time will be for you to do some planning for the final stages of the build. And then on to the next on. ;)
I'm off to do some camping with my honey for a few days.
I'll check in on you when I get back.
Take care!
Joe

[GizmoJoe]

Ok. It's been a week (as of today) since the 'event'.. how you doin'?
I was camping and hiking in the Cape Breton highlands (9 1/2 hours away from my home of Yarmouth, Nova Scotia) and am now only 6 1/2 hours from home, going home Monday.
I hope to check out a complete flathead and a bunch of parts before I leave.

[Trimmer Len]

I'm doing OK, considering. No further chest pains, but the spot where they inserted the catheter is still fairly sore.

Hope you score on the flatty!

[GizmoJoe]

I'm glad you are doing OK. Yes, I expect the point of entry is sore. Follow the docs advice!
Had many "second chance" moments about life and priorities? They can be interesting, in my experience.

The flatty looks like a good deal. The deal is going through a mutual friend and apparently the guy only wants it to go to a "good home" and not be scrapped. That's not an issue... even if I can't get it working I would keep it around (scrounger that I am).
The same guy who found the flatty has a line on a cab for me! I will owe him big time if this all comes through.
Take it easy...

[Trimmer Len]

Mayby this time!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tUeAk3xUtM

[Trimmer Len]

Pics too!

[GizmoJoe]

YES!
WAY COOL! Sounds good, looks good.
Congrats!
Good to see you up and about. How you feelin'?
BTW... made the deal for the flathead. :) Once it's delivered to my friends place (7 hours away) I'll call it mine. LOTS of good stuff with it.

[GizmoJoe]

Love the lights (simple and clean) and lines. You lay the lines?

[Trimmer Len]

Lines were laid by a local that goes by Slik. I have known him since I started working at the hot rod shop 15 years ago.

I feel great, BTW. Just waitin for the docs to say I can go back to work.

The lights are '37 Otis.

[GizmoJoe]

When do you expect the doc to say ok?

Colors that Slik used are good.

Otis? Sounds familiar... I've heard of Otis elevators and Otis Redding and even Poor Otis but Otis automobile? Or are they a light company? Ya got me on that one.

[Trimmer Len]

I see the cardiologist in a couple days.

You guessed it in your post, there old elevator lights!

[GizmoJoe]

Good luck with the cardiologist.

Elevator lights? Way cool!
Ya just never know.
You could have some fun with them, make people guess.
Telling someone they are from a 1937 Otis will be interesting. How many will say, "Yes, I drove one of them." ?
Tell them they had their ups and downs....

[Trimmer Len]

Tell them they had their ups and downs....

I'm gonna use that! I know it will happen..."I had one of those when I.......":D

[GizmoJoe]

yup.
Push-button drive.
Special sliding doors.
Some had a chauffeur.
Suspension would make the "car" go higher or lower.
Man.. you could go on and on with that.
I'm getting crazy now. Time for bed.

[blacktopbuddha]

Len, I have been checking up on this thread from time to time, and I must say it is one of the best kept secrets on the board here. That is one sweet RPU you have put together. A fella that I play hockey with had a mild one right on the ice. He was back in just a few weeks. I hope that you are doing well and have a speedy recovery as well. I really want to see that in person when it's done.

[Trimmer Len]

Thank You!

I intend to take it to Greaserama at the end of the month.

[Trimmer Len]

Got a little trim work done today....

[GizmoJoe]

Familiar work to you.
It's looking very nice!
I showed your build to one of the local gurus in these parts.
He was stumped as to the body until i showed him the dash.
All kept doing was smiling BIG and saying, "son of a b..."
He thought you were building a great ride.
Been to the cardio?

[Trimmer Len]

Not yet, my appointment is Wednesday.

[GizmoJoe]

Ah. I see.
Good luck.

[NM Sandrail]

Hi Leonard,
Welcome to HAMB...Great bunch of guys and gals, with a lot of experience @ HAMB. Hot Rod Express, huh? I used to live in Blue Springs from 2000 to 2006, and I remember taking these huge rear tires (Terra Tires) from my sandrail, in to HRE and they managed to balance them for me.. Came out good too!

Am familiar with your town of Peculiar also, as a former co-worker and good friend lives west of town. He stored my Z26 and the RX-7 for a month or so, when I was doing the moving bit down here to New Mexico, after I called it quits on Corporate America and 70 to 90 hour weeks at work.

Anyway, looking forward to seeing some good postings and photos on your projects.... Again, WELCOME! duane

Duane Koss / Fort Sumner, New Mexico...
We got the "kid" here...:)

[Trimmer Len]

Thanks Duane!

[Trimmer Len]

I Drove it today!!!!!!

First is pulling out of the shop, second is moving to the big lot and buzzing around. I did get out on the road and made the block a few times, also.

I'm the one with the hat.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dn8cEuQdVo&feature=user

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO4l6LLaCq0&feature=user

[GizmoJoe]

Proud of ya and happy for ya!
Oh.. and a wee bit jealous too. ;)
Looks like a real street rod. And it's heritage makes it even better.
Also looks like that tunnel ram and dualies will be thirsty. ;)
Cool hat.
Just couldn't resist shakin a little rubber loose. :)
I know it's a short shake-down but any issues pop up with testing it out?

[Trimmer Len]

Yep! A couple small issues. Shortly after the video, my nephew and I hopped in for a buzz around the block. Just about the time it should have shifted, I realized I forgot to run a vac line to the modulator. Well, due to the layout of the hiway we are on, I HAD to finish the circuit back to the shop in first gear. Back at the shop, I also found a small crack in the radiator top tank. So, fixed that, ran a vac line, and off I went for a second time around. Got about 3/4 around the loop, and got sprayed with anti freeze. NEW leak! Cleaned it up, soldered her up, and away I go again! This time I'm good! A steady 190 degrees on the gauge, and no spray. I need to adjust the rear brakes a bit, balance the wheels, and that's about it, mechanically. Still need to finish the interior, do the bed floor, install some headlights and get some air filtration going on. Lot's of little things yet, but I WILL make GREASERAMA!

[GizmoJoe]

Modulator valves do need that, don't they? Shifty critters that they are.
Other than the improptu bath of antifreeze... very reasonable issues.
Is Greaserama very far away from you?

[Trimmer Len]

About a 40 minute drive. For this one I will trailer it to my brothers house the day before. He lives just a few miles from the show location.

[GizmoJoe]

Probably wise and safe, considering how fresh it is.
Take lots of pics.

Hey.. got my plannishing hammer (el-cheapo bang-o) working today.
I still have to build a foot-valve for it and make a few dies but it bangs!
Soon I'll be beatin' panels for my A!

[Trimmer Len]

Hey.. got my plannishing hammer (el-cheapo bang-o) working today.
I still have to build a foot-valve for it and make a few dies but it bangs!
Soon I'll be beatin' panels for my A!


Very Cool! Be sure to start a build thread for it!

[GizmoJoe]

Not too sure about that. It's crude. And you know how this crowd can be.
If it looked 1/10 as nice as your work... maybe.

[GizmoJoe]

So... see the doc today?
They tell you to get back in the shop or back in bed?

[Trimmer Len]

Yep, All good, go back to work tomorrow!

[GizmoJoe]

Cool.

[Trimmer Len]

Well, she is officially road worthy! Got it tagged, tested, and went to it's first cruise night. Unfortunately, in all the excitement, I failed to get pics from the cruise. I do have some taken at the shop. Sorry for the couple shaky ones...

[GizmoJoe]

Congratulations Len!
You have made that 'bug' look a lot different than it once did.
That's a fine looking hotrod that anyone should be proud of (unless it's the whiny-ass-ed 'traditional police' snobs here that are MUCH worse than most groups I've seen).
I have enjoyed your build and I am glad your health didn't stop it (or you).
3 questions:
1. Any changes planned already?
2. Going to repost the build on the regular part of the forum for comments from the masses?
3. What's next?
Cheers,
Joe

[Trimmer Len]

No major changes planned, but a couple refinements are planned. The bed needs some more bracing, I need to shorten the steering arm on the axle to speed up the steering. I still want to get some spiders and rings. I'm sure other stuff will need some attention.

I do plan to post some finish pics of it in the main forum, but not a complete build thread, unless a lot of people want it. I want to find a good place to stage the pics, though. There is a nice park near the shop I might take it to. Or to a nearby small town main street not far from hear. Some of the buildings are really old, and would make a great backdrop.

No new projects in the works.......yet.:D

[GizmoJoe]

Sounds good.
Refinements are expected on most builds.

One day I hope to be at the same stage. More time on the English wheel though.

Stay healthy!

[wsdad]

Thanks for the inspiration. I'm glad you posted. That is a super-nice car. The curve of the cowl and the windshield flows well with the radiator. The bed looks like it belongs there (doesn't look like an afterthought or an add-on). I think you got all the proportions and stance spot-on perfect. If anyone scoffs at this car it will be due to envy. Some people destroy what they can't achieve to look superior. I wish I could see it in person.

[toddc]

Any news?

[GizmoJoe]

If you haven't yet... check out:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=289250&highlight=trimmer+len