under dash master cylinder setups - who's used em??

[bobx]

wanna get an under dash brake system for my wagon..anyone used them before??? what kind?? would you do it again??

thanks.

[nzsimon]

Made my own used a toyota Hiace van master cylinder as it is all ready set up for remoteing and a Holden Gemini booster and a linkage or two

[Smokin Joe]

Lol, I love it. No one in the US has the slightest idea what kind of vehicles you're talking about. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I'm waiting for the first Russian HAMBers to show up.
"Well, it's easy. You just take the master cyl from a t-73 tank and the backing plates off a Zil sedan and..."

Not making fun of you nzsimon, but to us, a Ute is a long haired guy on a horse with a bow and arrows. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

If I ever win the lottery I'm going to come down there and check out the trout fishing. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[TooMany2count]

check the late 70's & 80's dodge vans they used this type set up on those years & you can get PB w/it also....joe

[59BuickWagon]

ECI has those now but they're not on their web site yet. Give them a call (or see them in York this weekend):

Engineered Components, Inc.
Hot Rod Brakes and Brackets
P.O. Box 841
Vernon, CT. 06066
(860) 872-7046

[yngrodder]

What if the brake fluid leaks on you carpet???

[Slag Kustom]

dodge van works good but you have tomount them very good. i have had to fix many cracked van firewalls. I used a wilwood reverse mount pedal set up with cable clutch . you can get the pedals in 2 diffrent sizes. with the shorter size i had enough room to mount them in a 31 a that is channeled 3" and sectioned 2.5 " with out having to goto remote resivors. i can put a pic up tomorrow

[bobx]

indoor/outdoor carpet is cheap...thats what ive got..

[low springs]

i've seen in ad in street rodder that sells them. kugelkomponents.com

[lefturn]

love to see some pictures of some mounted on rods

[DrJ]

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What if the brake fluid leaks on you carpet???

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What carpet?
What makes you think it's even gonna have a floor? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[fab32]

Look for the Kugel adds in the magazines. They make and sell a couple of different units. Have them for brakes only and brakes and hydraulic clutch.
I've got one of the brake and clutch units that I'm going to try on my '32 5w.

Frank

[48_HEMI]

funny I didn't see this before.
I have two questions
first how do you fill the damn master cylinders
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second did you look at photo number 40 on JOJO'S Paso revisited. thats not only the slickest simple pedal cylinder set up, but exactly what I was trying to design for my Hemi Car. and if you get a leak you are notified immediatly by the fluid on your socks http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Slag Kustom]

Here is the pic of the wilwood setup in my a it's no all set up but as of right now with out all the bracing in place the mount does not flex. The pedals can be adjusted for starting height and there is a balance bar between the 2 brake masters no need for a separate valve.

[Eyeball]

I have been looking for a setup for my 34. I have a reverse mount set up but the pedal arms are too short and are cast aluminum. The Kugel setup looks like the ticket so I ordered one today and will shoot some pics of the install when I get to it.


Here is a pic of how it looks.

[FrameDragger]

I'm running the Kugel set-up in my Terraplane... I probably wouldn't do it again... I would have had room under the floor, and it would be a lot easier to check and fill... (and I am glad I don't have carpet yet...) It was friggin' expensive too...

Mike

[chickenridgerods]

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What if the brake fluid leaks on you carpet???

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If your master cylinder is leaking brake fluid, you've got a bigger problem to worry about than some messed up carpet.

[nzsimon]

[QUOTE=48_HEMI]funny I didn't see this before.
I have two questions
first how do you fill the damn master cylinders
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useing this remote filler I fabbed out of stainless of course

[bobx]

bttt - anyone else? pictures?

[Brad S.]

Right on cue. Didn't think to search on Master Cylinder.

[T McG]

I've installed a number of Kugel systems. You need serious mounting points to keep them from flexing. The master cylinder is a major pain in the ass to fill and check. Getting the brake lines out of the car car be another challenge. The upside is Kugel workmanship is top shelf, they are great guys to deal with, and they offer two different pedal lengths.

[loogy]

If your really adventurous, you could run a Bugeye Sprite pedal assembly.

[ROADRAT EDDIE]

Here is the pic of the wilwood setup in my a it's no all set up but as of right now with out all the bracing in place the mount does not flex. The pedals can be adjusted for starting height and there is a balance bar between the 2 brake masters no need for a separate valve.

I'm thinking of doing a similar set-up....How you checking the fluid?

[Slag Kustom]

I'm thinking of doing a similar set-up....How you checking the fluid?


mirror and a flash light or the stick your finger in.

[ROADRAT EDDIE]

mirror and a flash light or the stick your finger in.

I had '49 Ford with a power master under the floor and i glued a mirror just above it on the floorboard

[bobx]

hey T McG - you have any pictures of the way you mounted them to keep them from flexin???

[cornfieldrodder]

The Toyota Hiace van is the same boxy thing that preceded the Previa here in the states. Maybe worth a look for a cheap, small assembly.

[modifieddriver]

wanna get an under dash brake system for my wagon..anyone used them before??? what kind?? would you do it again??

thanks.

They are a real pain in the butt.

Requires cowl reinforcement, the long hanging pedal looks goofy (especially on an old Ford), are a pain to fill and check fluid level and piss on the floor (not from leaks, but when ya' do a brake job, ya' retract the calipers, the fluid goes back into the master and instant mess) and besides that, I hate working under dash boards.

The ONLY advantage I see is it makes it easier for the exhaust system man to run the pipe on the drivers side (that's for us LHD folks).

[390kid]

i'll be running a wilwood set up in my coupe. comes with pedal and slave for a hydro throwout bearing. nice clean set up. its kinda spendy though. but deffinatley eliminates headaches . i'll post some pics in a couple days.

[Richard Head]

I tried using a kugel 90 degree clutch and brake setup in my 33 ford 3w and it interfered with too much stuff. First a 33-34 firewall has a step in it so it places the pedals about 6-8 inches closer to the driver than floor pedals. Second, the unit interfered with putting gauges in my dash. Third, the brake master cylinder got in the way of my cowl vent handle. I could have heavily modified the unit and got it to work, but it was expensive to begin with and I didn't want to risk screwing the thing up.

I even tried using the unit with the shorter pedals but I didn't want to see my master hanging below my dash.

I've seen them mounted in 32 fords and they work well. Having a flatter firewall with a center gauge pod make the 32 an ideal cantidate for this setup. I've even seen cowl vents modified to allow master cylinder filling. The nice thing about these things is it leaves more room under the body to tuck the exhaust system into.

Dave

[390kid]

They are a real pain in the butt.

Requires cowl reinforcement, the long hanging pedal looks goofy (especially on an old Ford), are a pain to fill and check fluid level and piss on the floor (not from leaks, but when ya' do a brake job, ya' retract the calipers, the fluid goes back into the master and instant mess) and besides that, I hate working under dash boards.

The ONLY advantage I see is it makes it easier for the exhaust system man to run the pipe on the drivers side (that's for us LHD folks).


cleans up the firewall and for those super lowriders keeps you safe from draggin it on the ground or getting hit by debris

[bobx]

and thats why im going to use one. the firewall's shaved and smooth and the car (61 chevy brookwood) is going to be a couple of inches off of the ground, so i cant use the master under the floorboards.

the dash is bigger than a 32 or 33 ford, so i should have some room there.

im sure it will be a pain in the ass and ill bitch and moan about it when i get it and am putting it in. but i done that about alot of things ive done so far.

thanks for the tips so far.

[modifieddriver]

cleans up the firewall and for those super lowriders keeps you safe from draggin it on the ground or getting hit by debris

If ya' have a master cylinder lower than the frame rail or X-member you're inviting disaster.

[oldcarfart]

What if the brake fluid leaks on you carpet???

it stinks and gets slippery.

[safariknut]

I don't know if this info would be any help but there is a guy around here who has a 50's Chevrolet pickup with a 440 Chrysler in it with the old long ram manifolds.The left carburetor sat precisely where the master cylinder/booster normally goes.His solution wrked very well:

He mounted the master cylinder/booster inside a reinforced steel box(with a hinged lid)in the front of the pickup bed and used a slave cylinder hooked to the brake pedal to actuate the master.He had to sort out getting the proper size cylinder to make it work correctly but basically all he had to do was pipe the lines to the cylinder after everything was built.It works great and is easy to service(lift up the bed cover,get in the bed and lift up the access cover to the m/cylinder).