Goodguys gives back to the HAMB

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After all the HAMB has given to me by the way of inspiration, connections and NEW boss (yep, I work for KIRK! now)- I felt it was time to give back- and give you a chance to give back as well.
This season KIRK! and I have developed a very HAMB-friendly element for most of the Goodguys events called the "GARAGE GROWN" area specifically for Retro Rods and Kool Kustoms. This an area designed specifically for all types of tradtional rides to feel welcome and to make a space of their own inside the event. For the first event in Pleasanton we invited 30 cars and gave them free entries so we could see how it would go.
It was great! The people were great and had a really good time. We just want these things to get bigger until it's "the show" inside the show. How I figure you can be a part and feel good about supporting the HAMB is I will give you everything you need to be a part of the "GARAGE GROWN" area for the upcoming event in Pleasanton (June 5 & 6) and you can donate your entry fee to the HAMB. Sound cool?
On top of having our own area we will also have special awards that are just for this area designed to look like vintage car club plaques, rather than the old boring square wood plaques. I'll leave it to the people who attended the last one to give their opinion of how it went, and as it grows it will only get better. Coverage of the last one is in the current (June 04) Gazette, but be a part of the next one and support the HAMB at the same time (without being a part of some crazy bidding war).

TO MAKE IT TOTALLY CLEAR: The first 10 to donate their entry fee to Ryan will get the a vehicle registration and two weekend passes, plus added top-secret goodies NO ONE ELSE will get!

The response here will decide how this will go in the future and which events will have GARAGE GROWN areas- Look for this same offer for upcoming events (soon to come: Indy info) Thanks all for the response- PLEASE support the HAMB!

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Nuther pic...

[Ham]

Damn, sounds like a very cool thing you've got going. Refresh my memory but does Goodguys ever come around this area, Utah? If not how can we organize something like this to support the Garage Grown/HAMB?

[scooter]

JIM ,thats prob the best idea i have seen yet that goodguys is doin ! GOOD 1... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[smittyshotrods]

Excellent idea guys! This should be a hit at Goodguys events across the country.

[Corn Fed]

Sounds really cool Jim. I hope you do it in Des Moines!

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Nothing currently- but talks of a Salt Lake event have been rumored.

We would like to grow this to have live music and interactive competitions as well. The area last time was outdoors as well with a giant BBQ used by the car club guys. People really got off seeing trad cars all in one area- so MUCH more impactful! The next one will be totally outdoors. I'll be running this one by myself since KIRK! will be at Michigan BILLETPROOF, could use a couple volunteers to help me police the area and keep the area to just traditional Rods & Kustoms.

Sounds cool!! I'll sign up for Columbus or maybee Charlotte.
Clark

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Most events from here out will have a "GARAGE GROWN" area.

[roadstar]

Are you going to do it Indy this year.

If so please send me my free entry thank you http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I got a pretty cool 40 Ford Coupe I built at home in the garage http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Sam F.]

kool! so does this make it official that OL SKOOL RAT RODZ are mainstream??? hhahahaa

kidding..i guess thats cool in a perveres sort of way...

[hotrodladycrusr]

Sounds GREAT! I'm in for INDY!

[fab32]

Here's hoping the best for you and this new venture. I have to agree it would save walking all over an event to find OUR kind of rides. Will BOYD be allowed into this area or will it be Billet and Boyd proof? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Frank

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WHOA! Right now I'm just working on the next Pleasanton event, but I would VERY MUCH like to continue this plan of supporting the HAMB all across the country. Thanks Jim

[Ham]

JimA-
Hey keep me posted if anything does happen in Salt Lake. I would like to help out and get involved anyway I could...

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I could write a million words and still not get all the details, but it doesn't cost any extra to attend the "GARAGE GROWN" areas and you don't need to sign up in advance. Just park in the area and hang out with your buddies. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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will it be Billet and Boyd proof? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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YOU said it, not me- but this area is for traditional Rods and Kustoms ONLY.

[swill67]

this sounds like a great thing. it almost makes me want to fork out $8.00 for parking and $12.00 to get in, just to see this part of the show.

[caddyman65]

Can get a bunch of us at Charlotte

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We had talked in the past here about making a "HAMB-area", then when KIRK! joined me it became a HUGE priority! This is essentially it, with a title the general public can understand. So it's one part JimA, one part BILLETPROOF with a bunch of HAMBers mixed in. I've already met tons of HAMBers at events- this will make it that much easier, Jim

[Tinbender]

Very cool idea! Don't forget Spokane! I was thinking of skipping the show, due to the rather high cost, an so many cars I'm not that interested in. Do this for Spokane, and I'll be there.

[KIRK!]

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I have to agree it would save walking all over an event to find OUR kind of rides.\

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That's EXACTLY the idea. I'm stoked people are getting the plan here.

Yes there will be one at Indy and at Columbus.

In fact I want to put together a cruise from Detroit to Indy (since it's the following weekend). Every BILLETPROOF attendee that cruises with me and Roger will get a FREE pass to Indy. We'll be going that Thursday after BILLETPROOF Michigan. See me at the show for more details.

[hanginlow58]

cool, now I dont have to worry about getting stuck next to some 100k fiberglass rod, Im going to pleasanton what part of the fairgrounds will this be set up at?

[KIRK!]

It looks like it will be near the double decker bus where the shade and the BBQ's are.

[oddrod]

what's the vendor situation? stevo

[Skate Fink]

..........not wanting to get involved in "politics," but in the early 90's, I was invited to put on the model car show at two GG events in Carlisle and one at Maple Grove. GG couldn't have been any more supportive. The first year at Carlisle, Kustom legend Frank Livingston was my contact. He went WAY out of his way to provide anything we needed. Unlike NSRA (who I tried to work with in York since our club, the Central PA Model Car Club, was based in York), GG provided us with indoor space FREE, tables, arranged for Revell to donate CASES of kits to give away, really nice plaques as awards, free passes for my "staff" and Frank came around several times throughout the day to see if we needed anything. They were all about seeing that we had FUN!!
I know there are some with issues over costs, but it DOES take money to run these events. Thanks JimA & KIRK! for keeping your eyes and ears open and trying to give something back!!!!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[kyle paul]

a jim i tink this stuff is really cool of the good guys .but on another point dont you have to leave your car for the weekend?ill be there on saturday .but also the sucide kings are haveing a show on the 6 th so if theres not that many people there on sunday dont get your panties in a bunch.i no i was really hzppy to see so many cool rides in one spot at the last show .well good luck kyle

[AV8Paul]

Well, that does it. I guess I'm going to have to join GG's. Nsra only allowed a trad area on Fridays at York. If this Garage Grown makes it to Rienbeck, I'm there!

[Plowboy]

I'll be in Indy. How will we know where this area is? Usually you are just doing good to get in and find a spot to park in Indy.

[KIRK!]

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but on another point dont you have to leave your car for the weekend?

the sucide kings are haveing a show on the 6 th so if theres not that many people there on sunday dont get your panties in a bunch.

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The area is outside this time so you actually can't leave your car overnight.

The "official" special area is on Saturday so that should work just fine.

[KIRK!]

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I'll be in Indy. How will we know where this area is? Usually you are just doing good to get in and find a spot to park in Indy.

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When you enter just tell them that you are going to the Garage Grown area. They;ll give you directions.

[Hot Rod Ron]

I am down for Phoenix at the end of the year. I will help in any way you need. It sounds like a really cool idea. Metalshapes and myself make the cruise every year and have a really good time.

[38Chevy454]

Hey Jim and Kirk, that's a great idea. Please put me down for one of the Pleasanton entries. Either taking my modified (if I don't sell it at Paso this weekend) or my 37 Chevy truck. Sounds like a good time, I sent you a PM Jim. Thanks!

[Kojack]

That's awesome. I know I won't make my car there for the June 5th show, but I'll be there to support it. Glad to see things are turning this way!

[Lomino]

Will this 'garage grown' area be at all the GG events. We are preparing the wagon and a couple of other projects in hopes that it will be at the Ft.Worth GG.

[flatlandman]

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Very cool idea! Don't forget Spokane! I was thinking of skipping the show, due to the rather high cost, an so many cars I'm not that interested in. Do this for Spokane, and I'll be there.

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Same here.

[Peter Pan of Chicago]

Congraulations! That's fantastic. I hope everyone takes advantage of this great oppurtunity.

My hats off.

Joel http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[FatRat]

I'm in for Indy and possibly Columbus. That sounds like a good time

[Smokin Joe]

Goodguys in Salt Lake would be a good idea. Closest to me is Spokane. Lots of HAMBers in Salt Lake. Those of us in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming would figure anything under 400 miles away is a local event! Distances are big out here. We don't have to pick between several events within 1 hour of home every weekend like the Californicators do. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Salt Lake is only 150 miles from me. That's just down the street in our terms. I've gone that far just to hear Stevie Nicks sing after the Jack Daniels starts kickin' in. "What a bitchin' babe!" http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Django]

That's really cool! Unfortunately for me, my car is way behind schedule AND my sister is getting married that weekend. Always next year I guess...

[Shoeboxer]

Great idea! And good to know what date the Pleasanton show is. What's the cost to park outside and walk in?

-Taylor

[Plowboy]

Chad what is it with you and weddings?

[38Chevy454]

All you nor-cal bums take adavantage of this offer! Help the HAMB and have fun at the show. You can't lose!!!

[redpunk]

This is a Awesome idea. For everyone... Good Job

[Django]

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Chad what is it with you and weddings?

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As far as I know, this is the last one of the year! Last year, I bailed on a wedding to go to Goodguys. This year though, it is my lil sister's wedding, so family comes first.

[36couper]

Great idea Jim!
You had me fooled with your latest editorial. That is a mean and cruel thing to do and you should be whipped badly for it.

[a lost cause]

JimA... I'm kinda confused.

So, it's 8 bux to park, and 12 per person general admission, right? If we bring our cars, we park in a different area regardless or is it extra and if so, how much? I tried finding that info on the web site, but I guess the online registration is done for now?

And about donating the money to Ryan, is that direct through paypal or is Good Guys handling it? Just 'cause If I'm gonna go, I'd rather Ryan have cash to keep HAMB going than it going to Good Guys (no offense intended).

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JimA... I'm kinda confused.

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Parking and entry is for general spectators, if you want to enter your car IN the event it's $25 for Goodguys members. For this you get your car and two weekend passes and you can park in the "GARAGE GROWN" area- Yes, PLEASE send your donations directly to Ryan.

[a lost cause]

alright, I get it now. thanks!

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One moe pic...

[SamIyam]

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One moe pic...

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Wholly shit!

I'm famous!!

THAT'S... that's... that's my RIGHT REAR TIRE in that pic!

Hahahaha. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Hey Jim... how come you no come by, you no call me... whassamattuh... you no love me no mo'?

I got my foot in the door with the gentleman that owns that super rare pickup (hush, hush) that we'va talked about... one of three known to exist... only one on the West coast...

Anyway... we'll be hangin' out Wed. night... I'm bummed that we're going to miss GG in two weeks... but we're PALMDALE BOUND!!!

Sam.

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Sammy- got a cover shoot tomorrow in Pleasanton (come by and see the new digs sometime!) but I'll come by tomorrow night after the sun goes down. 1 of 3? Sounds kinda dramatic- PLEASE let me see that thing! Gonna switch bodies soon on the Tudor!
P.S.- you ready to come work with us yet??? Everyone was askin' whatever happened to that Sam guy today. Thinkin' you might be perfect for a "How To" column. We are plannin' some big changes to the 'zine- don't tell nobody!

[hiboy32]

I am already prepaid for the DesMoines GG. I have had some set backs with time and money and haven't progressed much on the coupe so no driving to Iowa. I may have to find a way to trailer my trailer queen.

[choprods]

So-Does this mean we are finally seperated from the"other" cars?Ill bet they're happy to see this development also.
I personally would not take advantage of goodguys offer to seperate us from the other cars........Id hate to start my car with lakes headers angled downwards and have it throw dustNdirt on a Hambers fine suede ride........and BESIDES what would I do with my sick fetish for watchin goldchainers waving their cali' featherdusters[TM] yelling obcenities at me as I drive off? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gifYeah that would be wonderful of them guys. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

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I personally would not take advantage of goodguys offer to seperate us from the other cars........

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Well then, I very much look forward to you not being there http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif This is not an area for "attitudes", but somewhere for people who really dig traditional cars to assemble and have a good time.

[Glen]

Nice work Jim, you are making an impact and a difference in the diversity and acceptance that I think Gary started out trying to accomplish. The companies growth has pulled him away from some of the issues but thanks to you, those goals are coming back into the picture (pun intended).

see you in November.

[choprods]

Oh SO an opinion is not something we should all have?
You think you're right-[I think Im right], in saying this will be appreciated by the majority of people who would NOT park in that area more than the ones who do.
You can sugar coat it all you want but attitudes are what has made our end of the automotive movement what it is.
I dont work for them so I can say what I like. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif although I do not believe it will work out well in the end results -I do wish you good luck in your latest venture Jim.

[Slide]

First off, let me say that I think this is a great idea, and I'd like to thank Jim, Kirk, & GG for the work put into this.

But then a question rears its ugly head: How traditional does a Grarge Grown ride need to be? Obviously we can keep out the 39-inch billet rims & digital gauges, but... Are radials allowed? Alternators? Disc Brakes? Centerbolt heads on a SBC? (even with finned valve covers!?) Where does the line get drawn? There are going to be some gray areas, so who decides whether my car or yours gets in?

[andysdeuce]

Jim, if you need some help at the Indy event e-mail me. I live on the west side of Indy and would be glad to help out on Sat. or Sun. Don't worry about a free pass because I already have one from your promotions dept. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[wingnutz]

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Most events from here out will have a "GARAGE GROWN" area.

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This is Great...! Hey Jim..., sorry I ranted over the "Good Guys" in the past and ruffled your feathers!!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

But it does appear it was not all in vain and that you stepped up to the plate and helped institute these changes. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

I'll be looking foreward to seeing you at a Future GG Event!

Mark

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Oh SO an opinion is not something we should all have?
You think you're right-[I think Im right], in saying this will be appreciated by the majority of people who would NOT park in that area more than the ones who do.
You can sugar coat it all you want but attitudes are what has made our end of the automotive movement what it is.
I dont work for them so I can say what I like. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif although I do not believe it will work out well in the end results -I do wish you good luck in your latest venture Jim.

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Does anyone else understand this? Trying to do something cool for my friends and the owners of the cars I have been into my entire life is now some sort of evil plot? Offering free passes is some kind of mind control that will not allow you to be a total ass to people YOU deemed as chainers? I wish YOU the best of luck in your theropy seesions and hope you contine to enjoy the car events you attend as the SOLE attendee. Looking forward to ruining anybodies day (chainer or not) is not my idea of fun, bu to each their own- party on ROCK STAR- hope it made you feel better. We actually thought more people might have a problem with this and the ones who supported it would be the quiet ones who just show up and have a great time. If only one person has a problem with this GREAT! If you change your mind I'll save you a really good spot. Thank you all who get that all the extra work, planning and effort is actually to show you a better time, NOT keep you away from the "nice" cars, because to us these are the nice cars. In fact I felt kinda bad paking in the last GARAGE GROWN area because my car is not low enough. If I spent less time organizing fun thing for traditional fans and more time on my A maybe I could have gotten it dumped, oh well- ever party has a pooper! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[choprods]

Well I hope you are right Jim ,I am often wrong-But I hope for the participants sake this is a step forward.[I do wish you good luck].

[Broman]

Ryan is always wondering when he can declare that the HAMB has "made it". I think this is evidence supporting the affirmation that it/we have. GG is a big deal, and NSRA hates Ryan so...

JimA,
KUDOS...I never saw this coming but it makes all the sense in the world. Hopefully the tradional car crowd can be appreciated by spectaters for what it is. And a guy who has sweat and bled on his own car doesn't have to park it next to a guy with unlimited budget (unless he really wanted to).

Granted there are a hundred variations on what is trad, and even rich guys can build a trad rod, but this just proves that there is a conscious line that separates the two ends of the spectrum, good or bad it's there.

The only thing I hope is that it doesn't bring another huge influx of members to the HAMB. It is hard to follow as is. I am a member of about five different message boards and this one is far and away the fastest moving.

If the GG Des Moines has a Garage Grown section I'll run the beer tent..... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Expect a gross loss, he he.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

This should not open the flood gates of unwanted pedestrians to the HAMB because there is no reverse promotion. HAMBers will know about GARAGE GROWN (hopefully), but GARAGE GROWN won't be pimping the HAMB (I'm sure that's how everyone would want it). I've said it before and I will reiterate now that I was on the HAMB long before joining Goodguys and I have brought my love of it and traditional cars with me. I am so happy to see HAMBers and HAMB shirts at the Goodguys events but I'm not trying to dirty up the HAMB with SPAM. This a deal that HAMBers and all trad fans can enjoy, but I'm certainly not twisting any arms to be there. The vehicle here is to go to the Goodguys event for FREE and make a donation to the HAMB at the same time. I don't see anything GREEDY in that and am surprised that so far there's only one taker when we had over sixty cars in the GARAGE GROWN area. Half of those paid and the other half were guys invited and given the red carpet for FREE. We can keep this going indefinitely but YOU are going to have to come. We'll do everything we can to make it happen.

[thirtytwo]

so is it actually embracing /accepting these cars... or is it motivated more by money, yes i know money go to ryan, this i understand....(still need to become a member though) seems kinda PR ???....you know the old guys die off.... no young people buildin fluff-mobiles...so cater to the next big thing to make money??? i understand its good business...i guess motivation is not really a factor... but it would be nice to know if the big guy was like "i really like these cars, i cant get enough ...lets try to get them at our events" ..

ive never felt all that comfortable at a west coast gg event, its just a differnt group of people... segrigation in hotrod events might not nessarly be so bad.......

.no matter what the majority of goodguys participants dont understand our type of cars and for the most part see us as trouble.....'' here come all the hoodlums with the rust and loud exhaust ....oh my god are those spindle mounts!!!!.....danger .danger!!! im not sure much has changed since jake painted that tub at pleasenton???

i go to a few car events but everytime i really think about it.. it seems silly .......you pay to bring your car to show other people and hang around friends you have known for awhile insted of just hang out with them at a shop or garage...does it seem strange to anyone else???..maybe its just me.....

[Broman]

Cali is a LONG drive from here and I am knee deep in other peoples' cars right now. I wish I could make it out there. You'll have my support if this comes to Des Moines - though Iowa isn't exactly spilling over with HAMBers (I count four). Maybe you could get a good following of those fags from Wisconsin and beyond.....

I am crossing my fingers. I hope this takes off for you. I have usually had your back as far as this board and the opinions that get thrown your way. It can't be easy to be in your shoes, ya fuckin greedy bastard....(please note sarcasm).

[**DONOTDELETE**]

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so is it actually embracing /accepting these cars... or is it motivated more by money, yes i know money go to ryan, this i understand....(still need to become a member though)

ive never felt all that comfortable at a west coast gg event, its just a differnt group of people... segrigation in hotrod events might not nessarly be so bad.......

.no matter what the majority of goodguys participants dont understand our type of cars and for the most part see us as trouble.....'' here come all the hoodlums with the rust and loud exhaust ....oh my god are those spindle mounts!!!!.....danger .danger!!! im not sure much has changed since jake painted that tub at pleasenton???

i go to a few car events but everytime i really think about it.. it seems silly .......you pay to bring your car to show other people and hang around friends you have known for awhile insted of just hang out with them at a shop or garage...does it seem strange to anyone else???..maybe its just me.....

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It's all in how you percieve it. YES- events AREN'T for everyone, but as long as I work for Goodguys I'm gonna make the people and cars I am frienmdly with feel welcome.

NO you DO NOT have to be a Goodguys member to attend an event. Membership gets you the magazine I work on and discounts on event entries, but not required to attend the events.

If the last event you attended was when Jake painted his tub you've missed a lot. I don't see anyone making fun of cars any more than you would see at the corner cruise of even a "rat rod" type event.

There is no "hidden agenda"- if this isn't your deal don't worry about attending, but to the hundreds of traditial rodders who do attend and have a good time this is our thank you. If I worked anywhere else I'd still be doing the same thing and liking the same cars.

Yep, car events cost monmey to attend because they cost money to produce- ask KIRK! or anyone that's run their own deal. Cost me $106.00 to take my family to see Shreck II last weekend, I could sit & complain that "TV IS FREE!", but to be entertained costs money. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[slazzen]

well here it is I am gonna cave in and give you a attaboy and say that maybe Gary has a chance at redemtion after all now if he has burnout contests a after dark concert with dancing girls he will have american entertainment mastered you and kirk really put some polish on a dead horse good work

[Roadsters.com]

This seems like a good idea. Here's hoping that all goes well.

[ QUOTE ]
How traditional does a Garage Grown ride need to be? Obviously we can keep out the 39-inch billet rims and digital gauges, but are radials allowed? Alternators? Disc brakes? Center-bolt heads on a SBC (even with finned valve covers)? Where does the line get drawn? There are going to be some gray areas, so who decides whether my car or yours gets in?

[/ QUOTE ]

Although most of us don't like rules, at some point there will have to be a line drawn between what's allowed and what isn't, in order to keep Garage Grown pure and on focus.

http://www.roadsters.com/camel-32-5-1.jpg

Could George Poteet park his Deuce five-window there? I vote yes.

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Salt Lake is only 150 miles from me. That's just down the street in our terms. I've gone that far just to hear Stevie Nicks sing after the Jack Daniels starts kickin' in.

[/ QUOTE ]

I saw her in a video once, and she had the stage presence of a drug addict's corpse.

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Ryan is always wondering when he can declare that the HAMB has "made it".

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually, that's already happened, twice. The first time was when I added a link to this site from mine, and the second time was when I made my first post here.

Dave Mann
Retrobilly Warehouse
"The Poser's Friend"
http://www.roadsters.com/

[fuel pump]

JimA and Kirk,
What a great idea this is. Thanks for your support for our type of cars. When I went to GGs events (and even got a trophy) in my shiny 32 5W I didn't feel out of place and was treated like "one of the guys" by most. And although most of the cars there didn't turn me on, there were still enough cool cars there to make it worth while going. When I take my primered (unfinished to some) 37 I get treated a little different by the street rod types. Kinda like I am invading their turf. Now I could give a rat's ass who likes me and my 37 but I still want to hang around guys and cars I like. I think we all do. This will give us that opportunity at the GGs events and I think that's great.

BTW Kirk I can't wait for Billetproof Michigan. I hope it's a success.

[Petejoe]

Thanks guys for giving us a place to hang out together at this event. I think this is a great idea, it gives us an opportunity to meet people who have the same likes as us.
I am looking forward to making the Columbus ohio show.
[ QUOTE ]
The only thing I hope is that it doesn't bring another huge influx of members to the HAMB. It is hard to follow as is. I am a member of about five different message boards and this one is far and away the fastest moving.


[/ QUOTE ]
Well, I say to that, the more the merrier. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I would love to have this place so packed and busy with technical questions and posts that I couldn't keep up.
This place is better than any car magazine ever created.
Looking forward to meeting alot of Hambers in Columbus!

[oldandkrusty]

JimA, I just saw your post and would like to offer my assistance at Indy in any way possible. While I won't be driving my '48 Caddy convert to Indy from my home in upstate NY, I will be driving my '63 Polara 500 convert. I just like its road manners-as does my wife. We'll be there on Thursday and plan to leave sometime Sunday afternoon. We are supporting my friend Steve who is bringing his Bantom-bodied race car to tear up the strip. So, anything I can do to help, count me in. Ohhhh, before I forget-I think that you and the entire GG's team are doing a great job. While you can't please everyone all the time, you certainly please me most of the time. Rock on, JimA!

[KIRK!]

Like I said before I'm very pleased with the overwhelming postive response to this.

I'll let you all in on a little secret. The upper management doesn't even know about this deal yet. Jim and I talk cars all day at work. He mentioned the HAMB related idea to me and I said to go for it and I'll work out the details of the passes. This is for OUR (Jim and mine) benefit really. We want to be able to see more of the cars closer to our hearts and hang out with more like-minded people at the events we have to spend tons of our weekends at. That is the only selfish thing going on here. That's the premise behind Garage Grown as a whole. I have a big love for our type of cars and just want to see more of them. I also believe that our area of the hobby will just get stronger and push boundaries as more people get involved. There has never been a conversation here about this leading to more money believe it or not.

Anyway, I'm just rambling now. Just be aware that this is something Jim and I are doing because of our obsessions not to pad Goodguy's bottom line.

Rock on fellers!!

[HOTROD30]

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But then a question rears its ugly head: How traditional does a Grarge Grown ride need to be? Obviously we can keep out the 39-inch billet rims & digital gauges, but... Are radials allowed? Alternators? Disc Brakes? Centerbolt heads on a SBC? (even with finned valve covers!?) Where does the line get drawn? There are going to be some gray areas, so who decides whether my car or yours gets in?

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I'm still wondering the same questions that Slide had.

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This is not a "HARD LINE" no billet, no chainer deal as it is called "GARAGE GROWN- Retro Rods & Kool Kustoms". Garage Grown really means that you built it yourself with the means available, that might mean you have an alternator or a late model small-block, but nobody is going to be rating whether or not a car is "traditional enough" to be in the area. There will be obvious persuading when it's obvious a car does not fit the vibe, but if a guy feels his billet & tweed mobile NEEDS to be in the GARAGE GROWN area because it has black prime & red wheels were not going to go NAZI on them and tell them NO WAY! Same deal with BILLETPROOF & Paso- feel free to park where you want, but don't expect any of the awards or to feel a warm welcome from the others in the area.

All this worrying about what might be WRONG with the area is not what it's about- It's about having fun. There's NO WAY to have the PERFECT traditional area with NO PARTS on cars made after 1962. If that were the case it might have one or two cars in the area. Like I said before, if this doesn't feel like your kind of deal DON'T COME, very simple. But worrying about the proper level of "traditional" being maintained is ridiculous because I haven't seen a ton of what I would call PURE & PERFECT TRAD at events or magazines. Just have fun, you know what's right and so do MOST of the people who will be a part of the GARAGE GROWN area.

[Petejoe]

Right on Jim. Its all about (the look) and having fun.
If it looks like something we here would be interested in looking at going 65 mph down the highway. Then I say bring it on in and have fun! Lets not tear them all apart..

[Slide]

JimA- good answer! Count me in if yall do this in Ft. Worth. I enjoy GG events anyway (I don't have to look at the cars I don't like, but there are plenty that I DO like!), and I see this as a way to make them that much better!

We see a lot of segregation within our hobby/lifestyle and within "events" anyway. The street rod chainers have their cliques, and the Tri-5 Chevys hang out among themselves. Then you have the classic trucks people, etc. But then they are all pieces of the same "Old Car Pie". As it has been said, this will give like minds an opportunity to hang out with each other, and not have to walk 14 miles to find each other.

It will be interesting to see how all this goes over in the 2nd season of Garage Grown. The dudes that felt out-of-place this year won't return to Garage Grown, and the ones that do come back will further define it.

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It will be interesting to see how all this goes over in the 2nd season of Garage Grown. The dudes that felt out-of-place this year won't return to Garage Grown, and the ones that do come back will further define it.

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BINGO- Exactly! Glad you get it.

And as mentioned about special areas, if it's a truck area, Tri-Five area or Muscle Car area there will be cars you love and others that will make walk in the opposite direction. Everyone has there own ideas about trad so there's NO WAY to make sure you are going to love EVERY car in the area. It's called DIVERSITY, let's have some fun!

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No one has ever explained this to me.
When ever I go to a car show in my hotrod, I need to pull out my wallet.

The guy busting his ass and driving the car that draws crowds pays to get in? I am also a pilot, can you imagine charging the guy who owns a P-51 money to come to an air show..... that's funny.

Dont all the traditional guys know eachother in their given towns? How about having a BBQ at someone's house and skipping the special parking at fanny pack fest?

Paying to park the cars that draw a crowd is a strange idea to me.... traditional or not. but everyone does it. Jim, if you want Mustangs at your airshow you at least let them land for free.

Just a thought.

[Paul]

will this section also be at Puyallup?

if it is I'll be there...

wait a minute, I live in Puyallup,

I'll be HERE.

even if it means having the only car (cars?) in the roped off back corner http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Paul

[KIRK!]

As far as the whole charging money issue goes I've gone in circles with people about this and Billetproof. It costs money to put on any event, car or airshow. Airshows are to entertain spectators who aren't pilots and don't have planes. Car show, for me, are about car owners and drivers hanging out and trading ideas etc. Yes the public does come into the equation. Billetproof did not charge spectators until last year. We never needed to. But the participant numbers dictated a move to a much more expensive venue that just the participant entries would not cover. What to do then? Do I just foot the bill so everyone can have a good time? Hell, I will when I win the lottery. That's a guarantee. Until then money has to be involved. There is a difference between a club BBQ and a car show. Even with the BBQ, who finds the place? Does it need to be rented? Who buys the food? Yes you can just get guys together and hang out but then you'll see the same 15 cars over and over every time. Both activities are fun, cool and necessary. If we only had one or the other we'd all be very bored. I do get your point of view but have realized the hard way what the reality of putting on a show is. But if you have a BBQ please make sure I'm invited. I'll bring plenty of food and booze...on me.

Garage Grown will be at pretty much every Goodguys event this year and since lots of people seem interested we'll keep you posted. But pretty much count on there being one at the neaxt event near you.

[SamIyam]

You could probably ask any promoter this question and they would be able to tell you the answer... guys who promote shows are on here... but basically the cost goes towards paying for the facilities, the support crew... and a WHOLE BUNCH MORE.

Gary Meadors told me last year that the Goodguys is the second largest organization of it's kind... with NASCAR being 1st (I believe).

Believe it or not, it costs a mess-o-cash to support and organization such as this... sure, Gary makes a lot of money at it... but he paid his dues... he's a self made millionaire... but since when are people put down for working their asses off and making something of themselves?

Organizations such as Billetproof and VivaLosVegas... and WCC's Paso event all charge admission... I don't see people bagging on them.

Sam.

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Sorry I can't resist responding to this one! It's TOTALLY your choice to NOT come so feel free not to. I hope you and Don Orosco and Bruce Meyer have a lovely time hanging out over champagne brunch exchanging pleasantries over how correct you've completed your restorations of significant cars while you KEEP IT REAL!

[flatshoebox]

count us out!
Tortured Souls c.c.

[KIRK!]

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Everyone should be doing this as often as possible. Things like club wrenching night and cruise nights are what fill the gaps between shows and keep it all going. I look forward to the Swanx club meeting every month and I'm not even in their club. It gets me motivated to hear what others have been doing to their rides.

[Django]

Wedding or not, Family no matter, it MAY be possible for me to take a car. When is the cut off for pre-registration discount for Indy? (assuming I am too late for the first 10 HAMB donation) (how much is registration again?) I got the midwest shows mailer yesterday, but I didn't open it yet. (sorry)

[krupanut]

Just want to say that I think Jim and Krik are doing a very cool thing here.

I know what it takes to put on the roundup and it's a tenth what it takes to do a GG show.

They're trying to make the show more ecessable to trad. home built low buck cars.

They're trying to open up the eyes of the regular atendees and show then how cool and well made some of these rides are.

If they don't get it so what, most of all they're trying to have fun and inviting y'all to have fun with them.

Thanks Jim and Kirk, hope it goes well and contiues at Fort Worth.

[SamIyam]

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I hope you and Don Orosco and Bruce Meyer have a lovely time hanging out over champagne brunch exchanging pleasantries over how correct you've completed your restorations of significant cars while you KEEP IT REAL!

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Uh, the first time I met Bruce Meyer was at a Goodguys show five or six years ago... so I know he's a member. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

As much as I like Gooch, and his cars... I too am beginning to sence that he's moved on to the upper esh-a-lawn. Famous car, "correct" parts... secret photos... I guess magazines like the Rodders Journal are great and all... in fact I live for 'em... but sheesh, when people act a certain way just to get in them... it kind of makes you go "Uh-hum". http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Sam.

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I guess magazines like the Rodders Journal are great and all... in fact I live for 'em... but sheesh, when people act a certain way just to get in them... it kind of makes you go "Uh-hum". http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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I have a twenty page story in the new one, plus I'm mentioned in the first paragraph of the editorial. I didn't have to turn into a raging prick to get in there (guess that's open to debate http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif) , but really just being yourself has WAYYY more mileage than copping an attitude because you've "made it".

"I have a bitchin' show plane and a historically significant hot rod- Luckily this hasn't changed me from being "just one of the guys" at the Country Club- what time do we tee-off Biff?" http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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OK, now that everyone has go their shots in DOES ANYONE want to make a donation to the HAMB and attend the Goodguys event for free? I'm not going to add any more to this post and waste any more space so if you are interested PM me. Thanks to the people who get it and I'm sorry to the people who feel differently. See you all this summer!

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I have a twenty page story in the new one, plus I'm mentioned in the first paragraph of the editorial. I didn't have to turn into a raging prick to get in there (guess that's open to debate http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif) , but really just being yourself has WAYYY more mileage than copping an attitude because you've "made it".

"I have a bitchin' show plane and a historically significant hot rod- Luckily this hasn't changed me from being "just one of the guys" at the Country Club- what time do we tee-off Biff?" http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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ok, how is what I said big headed at all? it was a real question. And how could I have "made it" when I'm in my early 30's?http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif You guys aint seen nothing yet.., but that's another story.
I will bring this up at another time and we can discuss it further. Besides, I know you love me. For now, only 36 3window understands me! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Poopie!!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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I dont own a P-51, it was an example. I do play golf though.

[KIRK!]

Alright you two poopy pants. Try not to sidetrack this positive post. Lets get some people stoked not argue about things that neither will convince the other of.

The people who are stoked about cars will go to events. The ones who like being outcasts will not. Even if you convince the latter to go they will be looking for any excuse to have a shitty time and spread it to others. It even happens at Billetproof. Both schools of thought are fine by me.

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Goo-Goo!

[Ryan]

This it tech week fellas. Do me a favor and don't ruin it... Step back and look at what you are posting... You guys are like three year olds.

[scoop]

Sounds like a great idea,Jim.I'm already booked for July, so I won't be seeing you at Des Moines.Good luck!!!

[hatch]

I sure hope to make it to indy....I don't park my car much, so if you see me (jim)...flag me down.....in the meantime..........."FUCK THE WHINERS"...I hope they keep their sorry asses home...tied to their mothers apron strings, because their mother is the ONLY one who will wipe their tears.

[choprods]

Hatch buddy you gat a PM......

[lakes modified]

JimA; What a great idea. you have now opened the flood gates, so stand back." your amp guage guy". shit, now that means i have to figure in a GG event again this year with everything else i have going on besides bonneville again. see you somewhere.