ford inline six mods?

[jamie desoto]

im getting a 62 comet and its got a 223 six cyl in it. what can i do to get more power out of it. yes it does have the 223 in it not a 144 or 170.

[magnet]

multiple carbs.. split header exhaust

[59FORD]

http://www.fordsix.com/

[kustumizer]

have any pics of ye old vomit? Nate

[Mike]

I have a few 223 6cyls that I play around with, but Germ is more knowledgeable about these than I am.

Offenhouser still makes dual single and triple single intakes and finned aluminum valve covers for the 223. Clifford makes tube style headers and several different intakes, including 4bbl. This stuff should be available from anyone who distributes Offy and Clifford products.

Most performance cam shaft companies still offer cams for these.

Fenton used to make a cast iron header (very rare, very expensive), a dual single intake and a finned aluminum valve cover. Edmunds used to make a dual single intake and an aluminum valve cover. This stuff can be found at swapmeets and on the internet (e-bay etc).

There's probably some other stuff out there that I am not aware of.

I'm curious as to how a 223 fits in a Comet, they are quite a bit longer than the 144/170/200 style engines. I own a '62 Comet, and I just don't see how it would fit without quite a bit of modification. Post some pictures if you are able, I'm truly interested in seeing how it was done.

[jamie desoto]

well from what im told its a 223. it doesnt look like the 170 i had in my falcon wagon its way bigger. someone did however have a small block chevy 400 in it for a while then dropped this in. the tunnel in front of the seat is gone and been replaced with sheet metal that looks like shit. ill be fixing that when i get it home.

i was thinkin about the 2 or 3 carb set up and maybe a bigger cam. i dont want to go too crazy with it since its gonna be my daily driver.

im not a ford guy this is only the 2nd ford ive ever had. if it was a chevy i know where to go to get anything. kinda like im venturing into uncharted waters!

[a lost cause]

Fenton made hi-lift rockers, too. A guy over the fordsix forums just picked up a set on eBay for next to nuthin'.

Baker made 'em too. A mild hop on the engine is easy but hi-lift rockers always seem to be the hardest to find.

[jamie desoto]

i found the ford six page and also the 6=8 page. now im wishing for more cash

[a lost cause]

I don't think Ford Six has anything for the 215/223/262. It's mostly geared to the "newer" sixes.

There's a sub forum on the 215/223/262 and orphan sixes we try to contribute to and offer work around's on getting stuff to fit.

I've only seen one Offy manifold (the double) at a swap meet and the guy wanted $200 with out linkage. Seen 'em go on eBay for 100 to 150, mostly with out linkage. The new Clifford intakes are water heated, the older ones on eBay aren't, generally. They'll go for 50 - 100 less than new ones. Clifford's headers are pretty reasonable but seem big in the compartment of the big body Fords. I don't know if they'd work on a 223 in a Comet.

[Fordman75]

What side is your intake on? If it is on the driverside then it is the 223 engine family. If it's on the passenger side with a removeable intake then it's a 240/300.

[Germ]

its a 223., comets were 223's

[Germ]

um wait I think fairlanes were 223's yeah the comets were 170's...

[oldtin]

223's came in fairlanes, galaxies and trucks, If someone cobbled in a big six....the 223 has studs and nuts through the center of the valve cover, intake on the drivers side. 240-300 had perimeter attachment valve cover and intake on the pass. side. 170-200 had the integral intake on the pass. side. Of course all the above mentioned is null and void if your in OZ or other places I've never been. If it had a sbc in it who knows whats in there now! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Oldtin (http://oldtin.50megs.com)

[jamie desoto]

the carb is on the pass side. i got confused by all the people saying what it is. so can ya tell me?

[Fordman75]

Real simple if it has a intake that unbolts it's a 240 or 300. If it has a log looking intake that is a cast part of the head(non-removeable ) then it's a 144/170/200/250.

[k9racer]

A long long time ago after my 7HA 6cyl L head Ford expired I built a ohv Ford six I used a 262 block as it will bore .125 to 4 inch a 223 will not. I then used 327 chevrolet pistons with a stock rod had Schneider grind me a cam I twisted the shit out of this motor.great fun but after the crank broke I went to a 289 V8.

[Germ]

you have a 170 in the comet.......

You can modify a 240 truck distro with your 223 distro gear, and you will shit on the new performance of that 223 motor........

FACTORY FORD early DISTROS are like a LIMP cock when a SLUT is READY to BANG..

rickyracer knows about that saga whenever SAVAGE SPEED spreads his he/she PISS FLAPS all DECKED out in his SISTERS prom DRESS).....

It's a fun inliner and it's really fun to watch DUMBASSES assume its a 235 chevy when they see some VINTAGE speed PARTS on it,,,,

I dont really like 235 chevy sixes... and have messed with plenty of them

The fenton HEADER for 223-262 is REALLY rare. as is the FENTON intake the 2x2 was for the 97's...
They both work a a WHOLE unit, You need BOTH pieces because the FENTON intake has the HEAT RISER from the HEADER like the FACTORY set it up...

the BEST crank is the 262 truck crank, and the BEST block is the 57-59 223 TRUCK block,,,,, the weird thing is that the BEST head to MODIFY is the 54-55 earlier ones....

I have a large stach of 223 speed parts, even some never used fenton CAMS, and several sets of the HIGH LIFT ROCKERS,,,

You can also use 57 y-block rocker arms,,,, if you wanted to...

I Built a CUBAN ENGINEERED street race motor several years ago... when I was a mEMBER of "INLINERS INTERNATIONAL'''', and I PORTED the HEAD by hand... ran a 3/4 cam, 312 push rods,dual intake with 97's and EXHAUST heat............made the 240 truck distro,,, because an OLD CIRCLE TRACK guy ran the 223 in the 50s and USE to BEAT everyone,,,,,(he told me the secret)..................Ran an old STELLINGS (i think stellings) oil punp which was removed from an old SPRINT CAR motor, and FABRICATED to fit,,,,,,,I had a GUY that helped me and he made SEALS for the MOTOR,,,, because the PRESSURE was kinda INSANE...................couldnt give you a QUARTER mile TIME,,, but around the street with a 4.11 and a 4 speed,,, no FLATHEAD of 235 chevy could run with it LIGHT to LIGHT..

I could shift at 5000 grand sometimes higher... with no problem

I also
used a TURBO and a 4 barrel to up the stakes and GRENADED quite a few of them also...

It's one of my favorite engine BECAUSE it's UNIQUE, and the first one we ever fucked with was JUST because someone left it in a BARN so it was free.....

what do I know I build shitboxes and write SUICIDE notes for entertaiment

[a lost cause]

Germ if you feel like imparting more knowledge and how-to's on the 223 please, please do. Most people look at it say "I'd put a V8 in it". I knew there was someone out there to prove 'em wrong.

[Tim]

.

[jamie desoto]

ok germ im not sure what to make out of all that rambling!

it sure sounded good though!

im thinkin now that ill get a 2 bbl to put on it and a header. for now anyway

[Germ]

Just ORDER A CLIFFORD CATALOG, It seems that bolt ons might be more UP your ALLEY..

I understaood that post..??
maybe I'm just STUPID

[johnnygringo]

i understood and appreciate the info immensely

anytime you dig in that stash and wanna lose any of it i'll take dibs

[jamie desoto]

whats that supposed to mean germ? i dont bolt shit on. well i do but i also build shit too

[Germ]

I can help you out, but I dont see what you dont understand?

I will take charge and say that I think I'm one of the experts of 6 cylinder crap on this board, both RACE and both FUN..

LAUGH as you PLEASE

I have KNOWLEDGE and KNOW my SPEED PARTS,,
and have BUILT plenty of VINTAGE MOTORS,,,
'
this has been a part of my life for years,

I was in the INLINERS INTERNATIONAL before I was old enough to DRIVE..

And have RACED sprint cars, and speedway bikes..

What do you DESIRE to learn or know,,,????
I decided that the 223-262 was my favorite......
That doesnt mean that I havent built the others,,, I just lost interest in motors newer then 62,,,,,,,,

My mentor was GARY COPE, and my TEACHER was an old CIRCLE TRACK RACER named DANIEL HORNE.....

germ

[jamie desoto]

ok ok im sorry. im lookin for info on what i can do thats not gonna keep the car off the road for more then a day or two. its gotta be my daily driver. im lookin for more power out of it but i want to still keep it reliable and fuel efficent. and also not cost me insane amounts of money. im in college so money is tight

but thanks for your help germ its very helpful

[Germ]

take a picture of the motor, and lets see what were dealing with...FIRST

If its a little 170 we can have some fun, yet still stay on the road

[76ltd]

Here is a pix of a 223 From an Edsel(not mine). http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[76ltd]

I have a 223 with three speed and 3;56 s.I like the way it runs for street driven. My problems is that when I'm runnig down the highway about 65 or 70 Its rappin pretty tight. I have been wondering if a T-5 swap is possible and if so would I still have good low gears for street and better highway gears?

Thanks
76ltd

[a lost cause]

From what I've heard, this guy John Mummert at Ford Y Block (http://www.ford-y-block.com/isix.htm) makes a conversion kit to mate a 223 to T-5. Go down the page a little and you'll see it listed.

[76ltd]

Hey thanks Lost cause. I think I will look into that.

76ltd

[59FORD]

I have the same prob with my 59. It's a 262 truck motor mated to a 66 mustang 3 speed. That little motor screams at 65 mph.
OK Germ I think I'm going to jump in here and take advantage of your knowledge. Questions for Germ.
1. does the 262 and the 223 use the same cam?
2. Is there a direct bolt on 2 bbl carb, that will mate up with the stock intake?(Mine has the holley 1 bbl now)
3.For Dress up parts, has any one made a differnt valley cover for the side of the block.
Thanks for any info Germ.

[Kinky6]

Shazzam! - or more eBay spam?

#2477744797 - Fenton dual exhaust headers for the Ford 223", ends 4/16.

#2477744772 - Edmunds dual carb intake for the Ford 223", ends 4/16.

Happy hunting, guys! Kinky6 http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[AHotRod]

So, did ya get this figured out or what?

[76ltd]

Here is a good look at 223 http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[76ltd]

other side http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

[Jimmy B]

G'day, Jamie Desoto if you do have a 170/200ci six here is a link for you it might help Crossflow 200 (http://fordsix.com/200xflow.htm) fsp Tech (http://fordsix.com/services.htm)
Also if you can get a copy of "Complete Book of Engines 3rd annual edition" by Hot Rod mag 1967 it has mods ranging from jetting out the carb to replacing cam final version put out 125bhp (this was in '67).
http://fordsix.com/200xflow2.jpg
US 200 block with Australian 250 crossflow head.
Good Luck!

[rickyracer1962]

maybe germ will tell you guys about his supersecret rear main seal trick for the 223's. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[59FORD]

I could have used it a few monthes ago. I put a new one in and it's just now looking a little wet under there.

[AV8 Dave]

I think the 223's came with two types of pushrods: solid and tubular. We always used the tubular ones. Nice little units and didn't bend under heavy loads. Just my thoughts. Regards, Dave.

[Germ]

TEFLON fishing line, they use to HUNT GREAT WHITES

[Dutchoven]

Ok, so I'm dredging up this old thread to see if anyone is still out there that knows about these motors. I am starting to rebuild one of these and need a good mentor. the motor I have is a 223 out of a 57' automatic and I'm going to be putting it in a 53' car. This will be a custom and a driver, I don't expect it to win races, but highway driving and some scoot would be good. My plans now are to deck the head 0.030 and install hi-lift rockers, split the exhaust, and i'm not sure about the intake yet.

Blake

[Carbs & Chrome]

Saw this today when I was surfin the 'bay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ford-223-six-cylinder-ohv-three-carb-intake-Glass-bowl_W0QQitemZ180262613533QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 180262613533&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318

[Dutchoven]

Yeah me too, but from what I have been told the three singles is a bit much for those motors. But damn it would look cool with those three glass bowl carbs!!!

[srosa707]

GERM- What kind of speed parts are available for the 215? My wifes modified has a 215 and I like the look of it. Im tired of people saying "put a V8 in it". Id like to shred tires with the 6!

[Carbs & Chrome]

Yeah me too, but from what I have been told the three singles is a bit much for those motors. But damn it would look cool with those three glass bowl carbs!!!

Sold for $250. Seems reasonable, but I don't know a lot about them. Would have been better with linkage.