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I just got a MIG and I thought I had 230V..But it's 125V..How much
did it cost to convert it to 230v???
I debating on just returning this MIG and getting the smaller one...
But it's the Miller 175 pretty damm nice...
evel
41ChevyTrucker
04-30-2004, 07:58 PM
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I just got a MIG and I thought I had 230V..But it's 125V..How much
did it cost to convert it to 230v???
I debating on just returning this MIG and getting the smaller one...
But it's the Miller 175 pretty damm nice...
evel
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3 phase right? I was just looking at my elec box the other night to see if I could hook up 3 phase and I think you have to have 3 lines coming in to the box from the street? I don't so was wondering the same thing about costs.
plan9
04-30-2004, 08:02 PM
crazy... i was wondering the same thing... picked up a miller 250x but cant really use it anywhere other than work..
cougardan
04-30-2004, 08:04 PM
Is your house wired for a clothes dryer? If so, you have 220v there. I've wired an extension/adapter for that outlet before. Very basic.
Dan
Just Checked the dryer..120v
Damm.
you want singe phase 240 .3 phase is not avalible in a residential area . don't buy a 115v welder unless you need portability , depending on how far the outlet you want is from an electrical panel you could pay from 150 to 300 bucks
Crazy...Hey your in Culver City...do you know of any good electricans???
I just got the welder from AirGas ..On jefferson..
thanks for the Info..
41ChevyTrucker
04-30-2004, 08:19 PM
You can probably do single phase 220/240 yourself. If the box is nearby it would be easy. I would go to the hardware store and ask and they will help you pick out the right breakers and outlet.
lownslow
04-30-2004, 08:22 PM
evel, i have a guy .......we had him rewire our house....he is bad ass....lemme know......call me........
Ya I was looking in the manual and they show you how to doit...
Ill look into it..
Thanks
hey evil I got my miller from the airgas on jefferson also.if you are close I can install that outlet or show you how to do it yourself.
thanks Dinny... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
evel
Upchuck
04-30-2004, 08:33 PM
my welder is 220, all I did was rig up a 3 hole plugin to mate up with the welder plugin if you don't want to run the extra wiring and set up a fuse panel you could just wire up one of them plugins to a convenient safe location and then go get whatever length of #8 electrical wire and use it as an extension cord, thats what I done and now I've got some mobility with the welder on a cart
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hey evil I got my miller from the airgas on jefferson also.if you are close I can install that outlet or show you how to do it yourself.
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Ya I'm in Westchester..If you have a second that would RULE....
where in culver city are you???
I Might have 220..Ill take some Pix.
plan9
04-30-2004, 09:05 PM
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hey evil I got my miller from the airgas on jefferson also.if you are close I can install that outlet or show you how to do it yourself.
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got an address for this place?
im in marina del rey.
1oldtimer
04-30-2004, 09:12 PM
most houses have a 220v drier plug, but somewhere down the line they split them and run 110v. see if you have 2 hot plugs (turn off 1 breaker at a time), then just re wire to 220v. mine had 1 socket that had 110 on top and 100 on bottom, so i ran a wire to the new welder plug, the only problem is that it's only a 40 amp breaker (fine for a mig but not strong enough for a buzz box above 200 amps). DON'T go to a 110 unit........i have a miller 185 i'll never use a 110 again.
tootallrodder
04-30-2004, 09:21 PM
If you don't have a 220V dryer check the stove. If it's electric it would surely be 220V. Also check the Hot water heater. again most likely 220V. Not a really hard job.
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Just Checked the dryer..120v
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More than likely your dryer - if it's electric and not gas - is 240V.
If you have a voltmeter that reads AC and know how to use it you can determine the voltage by:
One test lead to the neutral terminal - that's the one that doesn't look like the other two.
The other test lead to a hot terminal - that will read 110-120V.
Do the same test on the other hot terminal to neutral - that should also read 110-120V.
Last test - one test lead to one hot terminal and the other test lead to the other hot terminal and you should read 220-240V.
If you can't read anything except zero or 110-120V no matter the combination of test leads and terminals then that's what you have.
Not saying you're dumb here, but if any of this is confusing, don't screw around with it. Get someone in that knows what they're doing.
Did I mention to be careful?
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low springs
04-30-2004, 10:16 PM
i had my garage rewired and put in a sub-fuse box. i have the garage set up for 220 and regular 110. each outlet has it's own circuit. now i can run the compressor and welder and never draw juice from the front house.
2 buddys that i know did it on the side. there journeymen electricians. i had to do all the grunt work though digging, crawling under the house.
if your house is old i would suggest rewiring. pulling that much juice would heat up the wires and could start a fire.
BigJim394
04-30-2004, 10:24 PM
Bought a used Lincoln "Tombstone" Buzz Box welder a few years ago. Went to wire a garage for it and found the beefy 220 Volt plug on it would not fit into a 220V Dryer Outlet. The setup of the three prongs is WAY different than the dryer setup. Had to purchase one at an electical supply that would fit the welder, and it cost over $50.00 just for the receptacle/outlet. An electrician friend pulled new leads from a circuit breaker box and gave it 220V and 50 Amps, so heavy 1/2 inch plate could even be welded. I do not think the 220V Migs need as many Amps as a buzz box (I could be wrong about that) and am not sure if their plugs are compatible with dryer outlets.
OK so the Black and the White wire are running into a 30 breaker
http://www.madfabricators.com/ftp/Pictures%20for%20web/blkwhtwire.jpg
and the green wire is running in to a metal panel with all the others
(Is This Ground?)
http://www.madfabricators.com/ftp/Pictures%20for%20web/Greenwire.jpg
then it run right to my garage ( sperate from the 110 wires) to this plug..
that says 125v on it...
http://www.madfabricators.com/ftp/Pictures%20for%20web/plug.jpg
My friend who use to live here I think said it was 220... I left him a message...
He might of put that plug on there for his compressor.....I hope..
thanks for all the imput Im glad it's not to big of a deal..
evel
Airgas is 11663 W, jefferson blvd.. Culver City. right by the 405..
310-823-7442
real nice people ..they gave me a kill deal on my welder..and I really want to keep it,,,and I will...
plan9
04-30-2004, 10:34 PM
thanks for the address evel!!
ps - totally unrelated to this, did you want to get in touch with Louis, the guy who owns "the mercury kid" coupe?
Dude's just got a call from my friend who use to live here...220 in the
garage BIAAAAAAAAAATCCCCHHHH!!!!'''
I sooooo Happy !!! OOO so Happy!!!!
I love the HAMB thanks for your Imput!!!!
evel
stolenmojo
04-30-2004, 10:47 PM
evel,
you'll have to bump up that breaker for better welding. i had the same setup, although it was a 50 amp 220V for my hottub. being married, the tig was more important than the hottub so i changed it out to 70 amp. i wired an outlet on the wall next to the box, wires are short and high quality. i have a miller synchrowave 180 and love it, screw 110 V unless its an absolute neccessity. oh, do the work yourself, set up the camera, and include it on MFS 2, there wasn;t enough funny shit on MFS 1.
Brandon
No I did'nt ...I wanted to ask you for his info again..I lost in the plethera
of emails I get... I would like to cover that car for sure,,,,
PM me the info if you got it...
thanks...
evel
the reason I bought the welder is I'll will cover the MFS roadster build with a secret guest who's going to do tech stuff on the car and I had to get the right tools for the Job....You all know his work....and its not Jesse James
I will build the car in my speedos that will bring lots of funny stuff to the DVD....
evel
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stolenmojo
04-30-2004, 11:01 PM
why don't you just have miss caliente build it in the nude, we'll call it "just for laughs" and sales will skyrocket. i should have been in marketing, need any help?
looking forward to #2 you f**cker.
brandon
1oldtimer
05-01-2004, 01:01 PM
most of the time (if not all) when you have a double throw breaker it's 220v, there's 2 wires going to it (black and white) both wires carry 110v each and the green is going to the neutral bar (ground). should be able to wire up a welder plug and go. 30 amps is good for a mig, i wouldn't jump to much higher (maybe 35-40 max) because of the wire gauge is smaller and you don't want to overheat it. you can get the welder plug from home depot.
67Imp.Wagon
05-01-2004, 02:52 PM
I had to go to an electrical supply to get the pluggin for my new welder. It is a Lincoln and the Depot just did'nt have that particular plug.
Looks like all you will need is a new plug.
Digger_Dave
05-01-2004, 04:08 PM
Evel, if your main panel has 220/230 volts comming in, there should be three (heavy) wires comming from the service pole. (or underground depending on the kind of service entrance you have)
Your first picture seems to show that someone wired the breaker (and out to the plug) WRONG. If there was to be a 220/230 volt service out to the plug, then the wire colors should be BLACK on one side of the circuit breaker and RED on the other. The WHITE wire is neutral which in any electrical code MUST be present at the outlet. The GREEN wire is ground and also MUST be present at the outlet. Total of four wires.
Your electrical code might be different than mine and allow just three,- BLACK, RED and GREEN for 220 service.
If you test that plug (female) and find 220 volts across the two pins (parallel ones) TAKE THE THING OFF ! It's not the right one! It's an accident waiting to happen!
Welding shops usually have the correct receptical. Some welders use both 110 and 220, (110 for the fan) and need a FOUR PRONG RECEPTICAL. (and FOUR WIRES) Check this out BEFORE you use it.
Also, the further away from the panel your welder outlet will be, the LARGER the gauge of wire you will need to run. Mine's about 50 feet from the main panel, and I have #8 gauge that is run in conduit underground to the shop.
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