"Traditional" race car trailer.

[SamIyam]

38Chevy454 posted some pics a month or so ago of the single axle car trailer we bought for the BFD. Spent a whole $400 for her... brought it home and then spent the next five days hacking on it so the BFD would fit nice and comfy on her.

We added about 18" to the front of the 12" channel... inset the rear about 4" with a piece of 12" channel cut in half and grafted in (to clear the meats)... and then built the ramps to fold up "old school" style.

In addition we painted the rims white, got new tires... and completely replaced the tongue (the one the was in there was round tube with a floor jack grafted on upside down as a tongue jack)

Anyway, here it is:

[SamIyam]

'nuther shot:

[mytlo56]

Looks right to me.

The only thing that'd make it cooler is if it was being hauled behind an old long roof.

[SamIyam]

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Looks right to me.

The only thing that'd make it cooler is if it was being hauled behind an old long roof.

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True... or an old Ford or Chevy pickup from the 60's...

But my partner Tim has the '74 Stabbin' Wagon(TM) that we use to haul it local... besides, the chicks dig the van. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[lownslow]

hi sam http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[ShortBus]

fucking trailer queen...

http://home.socal.rr.com/rickamado/bombfactorydigger3.jpg

[Paul]

yeah baby!!

[Jeff Norwell]

Sam//looks killer to me!!!!!!just screw on some polished moon dics and yer golden.....Vintage trailers rule/specially with vintage race cars http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[FencePost]

Man I would feel SO much more comfortable with a dual axle trailer.....

[Antibilly]

I dig it.

[FoMoCo_MoFo]

it's trailerific!

[flynj1]

I pull atleast 15000 to 2000 a year with a single ax and never had a problem. I do run light truck tires though. My cars are around 2000# and I do run 80mph+ most of the time. I like the trailer because it is light and does pull realy well besides it just look right

[SamIyam]

We bought extra heavy duty bias trailer tires... the car weighs a portly 1,680lbs... pulls great at 70mph.

But if we had a blow out... we might be screwed.

Sam.

[ray]

i vote for candy red, make th ramps stow under the car, and maybe score some 37 ford taillights! make it sexy now!

[FencePost]

I have pulled cars for years and it is the blowouts that are scary. I didn't trash the trailer at all. Knowing Sam and Terry's capabilities I am sure it is over built. I just said another axle would make me feel better.

Doug

[modernbeat]

Double axle or single axle - if you have a real blow out with a loaded trailer you'll be screwed either way.

When I picked up my F2 I had a blowout at 60mph. I did a 270 one direction, then 180 the other before I got it under control. Scared me pretty bad - my truck was only three weeks old and I was fairly sure I was gonna put it on it's roof. Kept it together, but barely.

FWIW Sam, it looks great and appropiate.

[Roothawg]

Sam, I lost the whole center out of my old trailer with the altered loaded. It was about 3 am on our way back from the NDRA Muddy Water Nats in Memphis. It shot a rooster tail of sparks about 30 ft in the air, but that was the only way that we knew we had a problem. No worries.

[Tman]

I think the BFD would look more traditional with a JEEP body http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[flynj1]

I have only had one blowout on my trailer and it was at about 70mph and was not to bad to hang on to. That one went cause I loned out the trailer and they damn near wore threw the side wall with somthing they were halling and I forgot to change it before I left. I have had blowouts on tandom trailers that were much more scary. You do need to keep better tires on a single though just cause of load facter

[BELLM]

Elmo Rodge has the most traditional trailer ever! Single axle. Met Wayno last year on a HAMB relay he was going to north Texas to pick up a 36 Ford sedan haul it back to sunny Kalifornia! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Wayno, got that car built yet?

[fab32]

If anyone is old enough to remember the stock car races in the '50's and early 60's the pits were filled with trilers like the one you have Sam. Only thing is that most of them were really crude looking by comparison. They usually had a couple of hardwood 2X12's shoved under the car for ramps and most had a least a dozen repair welds in various spots where the structure had broken from misuse or poor design. It would have made yours look your look like an enclosed 18 wheel NASCAR rig by comparison.

Frank

[SamIyam]

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fucking trailer queen...

http://home.socal.rr.com/rickamado/bombfactorydigger3.jpg

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I like the way you can see the red white and blue peace sign through the spokes... Damn Rick Amado can make ANYTHING look good. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Sam.

[Tudor]

nice ride - hey what does you car run in the 1/4?

[dixiedog]

Sam
Cool trailer, makes the car standout that much better.

What size axle are you running? the width & rating and is the frame 3" channel?

Very Inspirational

[lownslow]

HI SAAAAAMMMM

[38Chevy454]

That trailer pulls great, no troubles and can barely tell it's behind Tim's van. It was kind of a thrash to finish it, but it came out nice and definitely has a cool old-time look.

Now all I need to do is build that hitch for my 37 truck so we can pull it in style. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[53Chebby]

Did somebody say longroof?

Well here's a pic from Goodguys Des Moines show in 2001. Seemed to be a pretty well thought out trailer.
http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/6/web/570000-570999/570365_27_full.jpg
http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/6/web/570000-570999/570365_28_full.jpg

[BigJim394]

You might want to look at this page with the current Federal Highway rules for trailer lights and markings. The rules have changed.
Federal Trailer Lighting and Marking Regulations (http://jeepgod.net/trailerlights.html)

A couple of guys I know who were hauling open trailers with old cars and parts cross country got stopped by the CHP/State Police in Indiana and in Arizona and were told that their trailers were not in compliance with current lighting regulations and were given BIG $$$ Tickets, with instructions to bring the trailer in to compliance immediately. Seems like a few states have a campaign to stop all the trailers they see that may not be in compliance, especially out of state trailers (or so my friends were told at nearby truck stops).

[Roothawg]

Is that the same for the US? That's a Canadian webpage.

[fuel pump]

Here are a couple typical period trailers

[fuel pump]

another

[C9]

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I like the way you can see the red white and blue peace sign through the spokes... Damn Rick Amado can make ANYTHING look good.
Sam.


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Me too, cool touch on looking through the spokes.

You're right, what's his name is a hell of a photographer.

Where's the dust cap?

Got one on the other side you can measure?
I got a small box full of em, some new, some not so new and some old ones.
Lemme know and I'll send you one.

Or two... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[flatshoebox]

You guys are givin trailer queens a bad name! I love it! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[flynj1]

The trailer under the V6 car of Crag Hancocks Is a good example of one that needs better tires. Him and I have done alot of traveling together And he blows atleast one tire a trip. We went on one trip about 500 miles round trip and he lost five tires but I think his ax must be bent some.

[flynj1]

Fuel pump were is that pix of v6 taken (looks like maybe Audibon Iowa) and I dont think I have seen that #8 But it looks like a track we run at Albion nebr. Or one of the tracks in South Dekota but I cant remeber wich one

[nekroman]

That trailer needs more wheels on it. That's just what would make me feel better.

[flynj1]

Here is the car and trailer I run now

[SamIyam]

The wheels don't accept dust caps.

What they are is a set of NOS AR Magnesium 12 spokes made for Chevy spindles... so I gave them to a friend, he chucked them up in his CNC mill and hogged them out to Ford bearing specs.

Sooooooooo, the outer lip is not deep enough, nor would I feel ok about hammering a dust cap in 'em. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

But I do have a pair of old Ford washers that I want to turn down (if need be) to fit in there to keep most the dirt out. I thought about sadwiching a piece of leather or rubber between two washers...

Any ideas?

Sam.

And thanks for the props on the car... it has run a best ET of 10.50 @ 122mph.

It should run a lot quicker after I go through the motor this winter though... we need to be running 9.60's to run at the GG meets. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[Radshit]

I posted this pic before....but this is the real deal.......both trailer and dragster are late 50's early 60's......This set pulls really nice......hardly know it's back there.......

[C9]

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And thanks for the props on the car... it has run a best ET of 10.50 @ 122mph.


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Why . . . that's almost as fast as your A coupe.... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



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The wheels don't accept dust caps.
What they are is a set of NOS AR Magnesium 12 spokes made for Chevy spindles... so I gave them to a friend, he chucked them up in his CNC mill and hogged them out to Ford bearing specs.

Sooooooooo, the outer lip is not deep enough, nor would I feel ok about hammering a dust cap in 'em.

But I do have a pair of old Ford washers that I want to turn down (if need be) to fit in there to keep most the dirt out. I thought about sadwiching a piece of leather or rubber between two washers...

Any ideas?


It should run a lot quicker after I go through the motor this winter though... we need to be running 9.60's to run at the GG meets.


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Yeah, I got a couple of ideas.

What do you think about an aluminum cap - brushed or buffed - held on with 5 countersunk stainless allens?
10-24's or 1/4-20's depending.
Nicely rounded and not so billety looking....

If you give me the dimensions of the flat hub area where they would bolt on and also the height required to clear the nut as well as the side to side internal clearance for the nut I can knock out a set of aluminum caps that would bolt on.

Depending on how the dimensions work out, they could be simple caps or caps with a classy lip on the side and the allen bolts through the lip.

Hand drawn blueprints are sufficient.
You'd probably get a drill plate set up for tap drill size as well.
All I need there is the internal bore size of the wheel so the drill plate can settle in and allow for centered drilling and tapping along the flat circumference of the hub.

Howzat?

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[SamIyam]

That sounds peechy.

We have a list going of things to do before Palmdale... I'll e'mail you, or you e-mail me.

I also have a lathe now... maybe a how to is in order so I can learn a few things? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Or are you going to make them on a mill?

Sam.

[C9]

Most of the work would be done on the lathe.

Indexing the five holes - or 3 or 4 - would be done on a dividing head in the mill.

However, depending on the lathe you have you'll probably find the big gear inside is indexed with 60 holes.
The lathe will have a small stop pin/plunger as well.
This is not - contrary to what some think - used to hold the spindle in place while you break loose and unscrew the chuck. Assuming the chuck spindle is threaded.
Use the back gears for the unthreading bit.

Once the bearing caps are cut to size and bored out, use a V-shaped cutting tool - like a threading tool - to scribe a light line on the cap where you want your bolts to be.
Just spin the lathe up and touch the cap surface lightly.
(After the drilling is done you can take a light cut to get rid of the scribed mark.)
This scribed mark will be the center of the flat wheel attachment area. In other words if the flat is 3/4" wide, the scribed line is 3/8" from inner and outer edge.
Once you have the scribed line, use the gear indexing holes to mark the divisions you wish. Use a cutting tool laid on it's side, lock the saddle down and use the compound to push the cutting tool lightly into the hub.
Then use the cross slide crank to drag the cutting tool across the circular scribed line thereby marking the place to drill for the tapped hole.

If your lathe is not equipped with indexing holes, you can use a degree wheel attached to the lathe along with a welding wire pointer to mark off the holes.
Degree wheels are cheap enough that you can bore one out to fit between lathe spindle shoulder and chuck.
Use a machinists jack or similar to lock chuck in place while you do the scribing. Use light pressure from the machinists jack as these little guys are capable of lifting 2000#.

Hope that's clear - I rushed a bit cuz granddaughter and her gang of 14 year old buds are bugging me to drop them off at the mall so they can spend her birthday money.

Pray for me....

[SamIyam]

Sometimes the solutions to your problems are right under your nose...

I had the Ford dust caps, still in the packaging, that were too big to fit in the wheels.

After putting my dial calipers to the wheel... and then to a bearing, I was reminded as to why they didn't fit.

Ford hubs are turned a bit larger that the outer bearing race for the dust caps.

When my buddy Phil milled the wheels... he machined them all the way in for the bearing race size.

So they didn't fit.

But now... NOW I have a lathe.

So I measured the hole... measured the caps... sheesh, they're only .035 too big.

So, I chucked them up in the lathe... and 20 minutes later PRESTO!! We have dust caps!!

Thanks for opening my eyes to the solution... albeit in a round about way, Jay.

And if you ever want to cheat death with 28 14 year olds... come on up to the woodshop when school is in session... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Sam.

[C9]

Looks cool.

You bored the wheel hub?
Or had enough thickness on the dust cap to turn em down?

The reason I ended up with a bunch of dust caps is, the 50 Plymouth coupe was missing one.
I'd find some that were close so I bought em and gave em a try. Seems like there was only a .003-.004 interference fit with the stamped steel caps.
Finally gave it up and bored the hubs out to accept the common-as-dirt trailer dust caps available everywhere.

Far as dealing with twenty eight 14 year olds?
I don't think so Tim.

You're a better man than I Gunga Din....

[SamIyam]

I turned the caps down.
My lathe is only a 10" model.

I'm just happy that I can do stuff like this now!

Sam.