HA/GR cylinder head for GMC

[Ron Golden]

Just a quick question about the HA/GR rules; rule #13 states that inline engines must use stock blocks only. Does that include the cylinder head, or can I use an after market 12 port head. The flathead Fords can use aluminum after market heads.

I'm not trying to start an argument, just trying to clear up a point before it becomes an issue. Hell, I'm not sure if I could afford a 12 port anyway.

Thanks guys,

Ron

[ThingyM]

Ron: I think I read somewhere that the 12 port is NOT legal..If it was, Then the Ardun conversion would be OK for the flatheads.. Boy that sure would put us flathead sixers out to pasture..

[REJ]

I think that the rules state"no aftermarket" heads.
That does not mean you can not modify a stock head and run it.:D

[Rand Man]

12 port Wayne and OHV flathead conversions fall into the potential "Exotic" class. No one has built a car for that class yet, although you and the other 322" GMC's might as well be put there.

[GMC BUBBA]

Just a quick question about the HA/GR rules; rule #13 states that inline engines must use stock blocks only. Does that include the cylinder head, or can I use an after market 12 port head. The flathead Fords can use aluminum after market heads.

I'm not trying to start an argument, just trying to clear up a point before it becomes an issue. Hell, I'm not sure if I could afford a 12 port anyway.

Thanks guys,

Ron

Ron,

The rules say:

12. Flathead v8 or inlines, pre-1962 inline engines with stock cylinder blocks only. No exotic aftermarket inline six overhead valve heads (Wayne). No OHV V8s or V6s. (If you are looking to run a straight 6 with exotic heads or a flathead with an o/h conversion, contact Ryan (http://www.jalopyjournal.com/?page_id=348) for some good news.)

Look like it pretty well covered.:)

I have a Fisher 12 Port laying in my office. Pretty beat up with no valve train. A local head guy wanted 12-15 hundred to repair with valves etc. Then the intake and exhaust cost made it more than if i bought a new one. These motors run pretty good without the cross flow head.

[GMC BUBBA]

Ron: I think I read somewhere that the 12 port is NOT legal..If it was, Then the Ardun conversion would be OK for the flatheads.. Boy that sure would put us flathead sixers out to pasture..

Thingy,

I just got a unusual request from a customer for our fuel injection shop. He has a 53 Dodge truck that he is restoring with a 265 ci flat six in it with the factory 2 carb set up and intake. He sent me some pics with the air cleaners etc and it was pretty cool. He want us to design and build a tbi fuel injection for this engine. Beats me why but thats what he wants. I will keep ya informed on the carbs, manifold etc. Never knew they made such a thing.:)

[GMC BUBBA]

12 port Wayne and OHV flathead conversions fall into the potential "Exotic" class. No one has built a car for that class yet, although you and the other 322" GMC's might as well be put there.

Dont re-classify us until you see us run good.;) :)

[Rand Man]

Hope you don't think I meant anything personal. You guys are bringing a pretty big stick to the rumble. The tires and the manual trans are a pretty good leveler.

[blown49]

Just a quick question about the HA/GR rules; rule #13 states that inline engines must use stock blocks only. Does that include the cylinder head, or can I use an after market 12 port head. The flathead Fords can use aluminum after market heads.

I'm not trying to start an argument, just trying to clear up a point before it becomes an issue. Hell, I'm not sure if I could afford a 12 port anyway.

Thanks guys,

Ron

The Cin-Day Rodders are planning on running a 235 this year with a modified 235 head, minor bore and carbs are not settled yet. We plan on finding a 261 block for next year and putting some domed and larger pistons in it.

We won't be able to compete equally with the 302 (and bigger) :( Jimmys but we should have as much fun. Winning and losing in this class pays the same as far as I'm concerned.:rolleyes:

[ThingyM]

Bubba: I remember Clifford Engineering out of San Diego Ca, Built heads and intake manifolds for the small Plymouth, Dodge, engines. But not for the larger Chrysler blocks. Darn it.

[GMC BUBBA]

Hope you don't think I meant anything personal. You guys are bringing a pretty big stick to the rumble. The tires and the manual trans are a pretty good leveler.

I took it in jest..:) :) I think the whole deal is pretty cool.. gm vs ford vs dodge, thats the way it was and the way it should be .
As long as no one runs any Jap crap.
Is anyone running a large cubic inch flathead?? Like a 312 or bigger.?
Or would they own up to it anyway ??:D :D

[plan9]

id like to run a large ci flathead eventually. ;)
pretty cool seeing the current rails running in the 12's...

are any of the flathead V8 guys gunning for the 11's?

[Ron Golden]

Guys, I only ask the question to clearify a point. I think the 12 port and any other exotic cylinder head violates the basic idea of "The Bug". I'm having one hell of a good time building this inline engine since it's something I've been thinking about for several years. I like building things...be it a nice bracket to mount an alternator or a new chassis for a race car. The only reason I'm building the 321 GMC is to try some of the things I've thought about for some time. Hell, last year I was looking for an old wing tank to build a streamliner for Bonneville. I wanted to use a Ford Model T or A engine.

I'm also fortunate that the machine shop where I spend most of my time is doing all the machine work for free and selling me parts at their cost. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to afford the dragster. I don't really care how fast the car finally goes, I just want to make it run as fast as I can with the antique design I have to work with. If I wanted to go fast I would have kept my alcohol dragster. Building this ugly thing is the most fun I've had since my last piece of tail in the back seat at the drive-in.

Ron

[Ron Golden]

Bubba, I must have an old set of rules since the rules I have don't say anything about exotic heads. And the rule about "stock blocks" is #12 in the copy I have.

To change the subject a little; someone ask me a question I couldn't answer: Can chickens swim? Does anyone know?

Ron

[GMC BUBBA]

Ron,

I thought you might be reading a earlier version.
The latest and greatest ( i think) may be found here.
http://www.hambdrags.com/HaGr/

Got that GMC ready to start yet ?? Send us some pictures.:)

[REJ]

Ron, if a chicken had webbed feet, he could "probably":eek: swim.

[Mr. Mac]

id like to run a large ci flathead eventually. ;)
pretty cool seeing the current rails running in the 12's...

are any of the flathead V8 guys gunning for the 11's?

I would love to do it but,our track that is IHRA says we cant run any faster than 11.99 with our current roll bar. Anyway we would have to squeeze another 1/2 sec out of the flathead and i'm not sure thats possible on gas. If you look back through the old hot rod mags from the 50's were running a little faster than they were on gas,and they had slicks.

[blown49]

I would love to do it but,our track that is IHRA says we cant run any faster than 11.99 with our current roll bar. Anyway we would have to squeeze another 1/2 sec out of the flathead and i'm not sure thats possible on gas. If you look back through the old hot rod mags from the 50's were running a little faster than they were on gas,and they had slicks.

Do you have the spec's for that rollbar? We were gonna use 1-3/4" chrome moly tubing with a 5' section running on each side of the hoop towards the front of the chassis.

We haven't bought the tubing yet so we have time if what we are building won't meet the 11.99 spec (not we'll prolly hit that anyhow:rolleyes:)

Interesting point that a 60 year old flathead won't run any faster today that it did in the 50's

[Jim Marlett]

Direct link to the latest HA/GR rules I know about:

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/?p=442

Chickens can't swim worth a darn.

[Mr. Mac]

Do you have the spec's for that rollbar? We were gonna use 1-3/4" chrome moly tubing with a 5' section running on each side of the hoop towards the front of the chassis.

We haven't bought the tubing yet so we have time if what we are building won't meet the 11.99 spec (not we'll prolly hit that anyhow:rolleyes:)

Interesting point that a 60 year old flathead won't run any faster today that it did in the 50's

The 1 3/4 moly will work fine. I order to spec the car to go faster than 11.99 we would have to add two more bars and make it a 6 point roll bar instead of 4. Some of the guys that are building new cars around here are adding the extra bars.
Like I said squeezing another 1/2 second( thats alot) out of the little flathead is going to be tough. But! We still have some tricks up our sleeve.:D

[Mr. Mac]

Direct link to the latest HA/GR rules I know about:

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/?p=442

Chickens can't swim worth a darn.

Hey! Jim all my chickens can swim and now they have learned how to walk on ICE.:D

[Ron Golden]

Bubba, Guys,
It seems parts people want to sell you parts, they just won't ship them. I'm still waiting for the aluminum rods before I can turn the crank, then measure for the correct compression distance on the pistons, then make a mold of the combustion chamber, then order the pistons from JE. The block is rough bored and decked so I guess I'm making some progress.

I did get my valves today and I've started porting the head. I think I'm spoiled by looking and flowing race heads. These things are butt ugly and don't look like they would flow enough to make 200 HP. Damned if I wouldn't like to make twice that amount.

Of all things, I can't find any Rochester 2 barrel carbs. I think they came on every General Motors car for 20 years at least.

I'll take some pictures soon and post them.

Ron

[Rand Man]

Dang, that's a shame you'll have to wait for custom pistons to hang on your special rods. I'd be a shame to have to use stock parts.

["Doc" Parsons]

The ramrods will run faster than they did in the 50's

[Mr. Mac]

Dang, that's a shame you'll have to wait for custom pistons to hang on your special rods. I'd be a shame to have to use stock parts.

OUCH!!!!

[ThingyM]

Now your getting completly out of the original concept. If you build a car with the roll cage as needed for the faster ETs you might as well go out and buy a later model 6 point cage chassis and save yourself alot of time. But it sure won't be like the "BUG"

[GMC BUBBA]

Now your getting completly out of the original concept. If you build a car with the roll cage as needed for the faster ETs you might as well go out and buy a later model 6 point cage chassis and save yourself alot of time. But it sure won't be like the "BUG"

I agree , just the cost of chrome moly on our frame was two to three times the amount of .095 steel.
We used the .095 ..:) :)

[ThingyM]

In our ANRA events out here, There is a little GMC powered "T" bucket roadster, Called the "T"Pot. It is absolutly beautiful. And runs in the high nines. 9.60 index. They can go alot faster than 11.99...

[Rand Man]

I don't want everyone to think I'm a negative neysayer. We just need to keep in mind that this is an entry level, low buck class. The class is self-policing on engine internals. If one guy's rotating assembly is worth more than the other guy's whole car, somthin' aint cool. Note I siad worth more Some guys have more friends and sponsors than others so "I used it cause it was free" doesn't make it completly right. It's all for fun. The fastest car is not necessarily declared the winner. Sportsmanship, fair-play, coolness; all very important here.

[Mr. Mac]

In our ANRA events out here, There is a little GMC powered "T" bucket roadster, Called the "T"Pot. It is absolutly beautiful. And runs in the high nines. 9.60 index. They can go alot faster than 11.99...

I bet the little T"Pot" wasn't running 6in wide bias ply street tires.

[Old6rodder]

Looks to be slicks, in the 12"-14" range.

Third set down. Later style altered, really good looking. A bit reminiscent of Sissel's.

http://www.anra.com/butch/Season%20opener%20winners%20.htm

[Mr. Mac]

Looks to be slicks, in the 12"-14" range.

Third set down. Later style altered, really good looking. A bit reminiscent of Sissel's.

http://www.anra.com/butch/Season%20opener%20winners%20.htm

Nice lookin car. I think he may be a little out of the HA/GR league,like injectors,alky and slicks. That could be why it runs so fast you think.:D

[plan9]

rand man - i dont take your posts the wrong way.. your explaination says it all. this whole HA/GR deal was suppose to be cheap fun. it is a cheaper way for me to learn how to tune and build flatheads in a racing environment, not to mention having a venue to hang out and socialise with my buddies... sure, i can do this with my street car but i want a purpose built racing vehicle.

nothing in my arsenal is fancy except the mallory distributor and tripower intake... got all that stuff with the 59A motor. i also got a set of used .060 over ross pistons for $100.00... it should raise compression to about 10:1, ill use those when i get a chance. thats about the only *cheap* flathead stuff ive got though. ;)

[GMC BUBBA]

I bet the little T"Pot" wasn't running 6in wide bias ply street tires.

I think you have hit the nail on the head. The tires seem to say it all!
Pretty hard to put much torque to a six inch bia ply tire.

[Old6rodder]

I think you have hit the nail on the head. The tires seem to say it all!
Pretty hard to put much torque to a six inch bia ply tire.

And should we manage to :eek: , Ryan's 5 1/2" rule change hammer swings just overhead :D. It just ain't a-gonna be the ponies gentlemen, it'll be the tricks.

I've wondered if it would be practical to apply that (5 1/2") to individual car's engines on an "as earned" basis? Sort of a badge of honor and handicap rolled up together. Perhaps even voluntarily adopted ("as earned") just to keep the game afoot, once across the line no going back to 6" with that engine.
'Twould be fun, eh wot?

["Doc" Parsons]

Hey Plan9 would you tell me how your going to get 10.1 out of pistons

[ThingyM]

I know it has slicks and all the necessary go fast stuff. But still 9.60 with a 6 is scootin right along..You can make just as much power with gas as you can with Alky, But you have to fight the heat with gas. Alky much cooler to run...

[Ron Golden]

Rand Man....I'm within the rules and can damn well chose how I want to build my engine. I guess I could have taken the junk GMC and put plugs in it and see if it would run. I put in a years hard work building the dyno room, and dynoing engines at the machine shop doing the machining on my engine. AND, I didn't get paid a red cent for that years work. Nobody is giving me a damn thing....I've earned it.

I actually looked at several different engines before I selected the 302 GMC. If I'm going to spend money I want the most for my dollar. The GMC was the best choice.
All the other engines (Buick, Hudson, Chevy, Flathead) had too many things keeping them from making power. Small bores, long strokes, small valves, etc don't make good horsepower. Therefore, I selected the GMC.

The engine is also being built so we can put it in a front engine dragster and go nostalgia racing in the future. I sure as hell can't compete in that class with stock shit in the engine. Please get the hell off my case just because I'm building a nice engine.

I'll stop talking about what I'm building if that will please you.

Ron

[GMC BUBBA]

Rand Man....I'm within the rules and can damn well chose how I want to build my engine. I guess I could have taken the junk GMC and put plugs in it and see if it would run. I put in a years hard work building the dyno room, and dynoing engines at the machine shop doing the machining on my engine. AND, I didn't get paid a red cent for that years work. Nobody is giving me a damn thing....I've earned it.

I actually looked at several different engines before I selected the 302 GMC. If I'm going to spend money I want the most for my dollar. The GMC was the best choice.
All the other engines (Buick, Hudson, Chevy, Flathead) had too many things keeping them from making power. Small bores, long strokes, small valves, etc don't make good horsepower. Therefore, I selected the GMC.

The engine is also being built so we can put it in a front engine dragster and go nostalgia racing in the future. I sure as hell can't compete in that class with stock shit in the engine. Please get the hell off my case just because I'm building a nice engine.

I'll stop talking about what I'm building if that will please you.

Ron

Ron,

Dont let it get to ya . Keep pouring out the posts and lets see some pictures.

I have heard those other cars run and they for sure dont have many stock parts in them as well.
I just happen to own a few flatheads as well as a couple GMC's and those flatties cost ya just as much as the GMC's just to do a half way decent rebuild.
We all love the nostaliga part of this class , if we were all cheap and had any sense at all we would be running small blocks from Autozone. :) :) :) ;)

This is the "true" spirit of the bug. GM vs Ford vs Dodge the way it was, and the way it should be!!! The bug would be proud :>)
I can hear the spirits talking now saying " damn GMC's".

[bob hindman]

Bubbbbbbaaaaaa Is Totalllle Right ...............


U The Mannnnnn....

Hiney

[Godzilla]

I don't want everyone to think I'm a negative neysayer. We just need to keep in mind that this is an entry level, low buck class. The class is self-policing on engine internals. If one guy's rotating assembly is worth more than the other guy's whole car, somthin' aint cool. Note I siad worth more Some guys have more friends and sponsors than others so "I used it cause it was free" doesn't make it completly right. It's all for fun. The fastest car is not necessarily declared the winner. Sportsmanship, fair-play, coolness; all very important here.I have raced all kinds of vehicles since 1966 and have never heard of an entry level, low buck racing class. I am pretty sure that NHRA and IHRA does not have one.

I have been thru tech a race tracks from Texas to Iowa and have NEVER been asked how much my rotating assembly cost??? This is racing...not Tiddly Winks. Money buys performance...you might as well accept that. This is not claimer racing...it's is whose got the money to build the fastest car....as always

Sportsmanship, fair play and coolness...I have never heard these words at a race track. That is not to say that a guy can't just make a few laps to look cool and have fun...but the person that gets to the end of 1320 first, wins. If they are giving out trophies for looking cool...or playing fair...or being a sportsman...it is not any kind of racing that I have ever heard of.

All of this is to ask...please cut the guys on here some slack. Your theme of cheap-o, entry level racing is noted but it just does not wash...its a nice dream but it aint happening...racing is racing...as it has been since 02.

[Ron Golden]

Thanks guys! Me and my partners (4) love the old stuff and got tired of the NHRA rules that regulate everything except our sex like. That is if I still had a sex life. Thats why we sold our rear engined, alcohold dragster. Drag racing with NHRA wasn't fun anymore.

We all think the HA/GR thing will be a blast. I'm sure we won't be the fastest car there but I bet we'll be the ones with the biggest grins on our faces.

One reason why I went with better parts is because we have about $800 in the stock engine before we even started on the rebuild. We couldn't use the stock pistons and rods because we couldn't afford to break a rod and destroy everything we already had invested. It's foolish to build a house on a shaky foundation and the same goes for an engine. Do it right the first time and hopefully it won't break and make you start all over again. I have to thank Bubby for answering all those questions I ask him before I got started on the engine. He even offered to give me an old military engine he had laying around.

I'm not trying to be the baddest HA/GR dragster around, I just want the car to run decent and stay together.

Ron

["Doc" Parsons]

Ron Golden I'am a Flathead man myself and I am really glad to see some GMC's out there! I had a 37 Chevy coupe with a 322 and 5 carbs that ran like stink but it did get beat by some flatheads from time to time, you just keep building like you are and that way it will be there to race the next week and by the way I don't think you can get a bigger Grin than the Ramrods

[Mr. Mac]

Ron Golden I'am a Flathead man myself and I am really glad to see some GMC's out there! I had a 37 Chevy coupe with a 322 and 5 carbs that ran like stink but it did get beat by some flatheads from time to time, you just keep building like you are and that way it will be there to race the next week and by the way I don't think you can get a bigger Grin than the Ramrods

AMEN

[Rand Man]

I can lighten up. This is supposed to be a car club thing where we all get along. I know that a racing class that's not about winning sounds pretty crazy to some. The idea of holding any competition and not declaring a winner based on performance just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I just know my team won the HA/GR class last year and we didn't complete a pass. Maybe Ryan could give us another explaination as to how he awards the trophy. This is his class not mine. Here's what a guy that's won plenty of races had to say about HA/GR:

"I found the HAMB after an old friend and photographer sent me pictures of the HA/GR event. I was really excited to hear about a bunch of guys getting together to do this and couldn't wait to be a fly on the wall and watch this whole event unfold. After reading this post and after speaking with Ryan, I felt it might be appropriate to say some words here.

My life started in cars like these. If it weren't for them, I would never be where I am today. I think about those times often and I think about all the great times and great people that developed from those silly little cars. For me, it was a perfect time.

I hope that you guys can look through your competitive spirit (lord knows we all have it) and find a place where everyone is a team, everyone is doing it for the same reasons, and everyone supports one another. The notion of being "seriously" competitive with these kinds of cars is really kind of absurd when you think about it. Although I know how easily it is to stumble and find yourself truly wanting to one-up the guy in the next lane. I get that completely and I think as long as you are having fun that it is fine. But Ryan is right. You guys need to form a car club around these things. You guys need to work together and not against each other. Who really cares who is fastest?

I guess it is my selfishness that makes me want you guys to stay true to the spirit of early drag racing and each other. It has never really been done before and I want to see this work. I would love for my kids to see where their family came from and I know lots of other old timers that feel the same way.

I won't be posting much, but know that I am waiting and watching and can't wait to see a mess of these cars at the drag strip some day soon.

Yours,

Don Garlits"

[Ron Golden]

Rand Man,
Thanks for the input from you, and Don Garlits. He's right and I hope all of us remember his words of wisdom. Granted, I am competitive by nature and like to win as much as the next guy but, in keeping with the theme of the HA/GR group I'd like to apologize for coming on so strong. Lets shake hands when we meet and support each other and the concept of the HA/GR's that Ryan so wisely started.

I think it's important to remember that this is a group of people that recognized the potential of 50's style racing just for the fun it will provide, not just for the racers, but for all the spectators that remember how it was "back then".

Ron

[Ted H]

Hey guys,
Really glad to see things mellow out on this thread! I've very closely followed the HA/GR thing from concept to the present and I think it is one of yhe finest things to happen on the HAMB.
I'm not building a HA/GR and not likely to ever build one but thought I might offer one old geezer's recolections of how it was "back in the day".
I went to a little highschool in a little dry land cotten farming town in north Texas in the late 50's. At that time they were running regular NHRA drags at an airstrip in Abilene, Tx. The regular drags were held on Sundays but the promoters decided to hold special "poorboy" races on Saturdays to try to get more kids involved and to try to cut down on the verry dangerous racing on the back roads ( see the great artcles written bt 40Studedude).
Anyhow, one of the fellows a couple classes ahead of me ( we called him Boney ) decided to build a Bug type car for these poorboy races. Most of the build took place at the local wrecking yard which was owned by buddy Glen's dad and at the local blacksmith shop. The car consisted of a stripped down and shortened 30's Ford frame with a stock 85 horse flathead, Model A cowl, seat out of on old school bus, stock bango rear end and a rudimentary rollybar made out of galvanized plumbing pipe. Front tires were probably 600-16s and the backs were huge, maybe 8.20s litteraly taken off some old boat out in the yard.
Well, after some test runs at night out on 3 mile lane Boney got the rig up to Abilne several times that first summer and did pretty well with the "car", but near the end of the season a guy showed up with a similar car but with a Buick straight 8 and the racing was furious!. Boney could take him off the line but when the other guy got that old Buick wound up near the end he'd pull Boney by a car length or so.
Boney didn't like that at all and that winter he and the wrecking yard owner rebuilt (I used that term very loosely) a 59AB block, welded up the spider gears and after some early test trevails got her going for the next season. Early in the season Boney took all comers but the Buick didn't show up till late in the season and it looked like maybe he had also done some developement work on his car too. They raced a few times that summer and Boney won some and the Buick won some but at the end of the season the Buick had won more than the Ford. But what I raeally remember was what fun we all had!
After that second season Boney graduated and left town to pursue his life's work and the "short hotrod" ended up with my buddy Glen. It never raced again formally but I could ramble on for a while about some of the adventures with the car out onthe old Johnson place.
But back to the point of this thread, back then nobody had any real money to put into these things and it was all about the fun of orginized racing just like the boys out in California that we read about in that crazy magazine called Hot Rod. I hope that the HA/GR class will remain just that.

Ted H

[bob hindman]

Hell Of A Story.....

Hiney

[Mr. Mac]

Loved the story Ted H. I too hope the class will remain cheap and simple,But.

[plan9]

domed pistons & milled heads.
but thats all bullshit until i really get it done, right?
maybe you can suggest a way to do it? i see you have a lot of yrs under your belt.

ditto on the story Ted H.

Hey Plan9 would you tell me how your going to get 10.1 out of pistons

["Doc" Parsons]

Right!

[Hudsonator]

I need to get off my ass, get some money together - and get a Hudson built for this. I know flathead inlines - but have not a friggin' clue how to build a chassis for this class. Now that the Jimmy's are on the block, I'm really itching.

It sure won't be this year, but God help me I keep watching this class with an envious goal. I'd like to be the "fly on the wall" this year.

Hud

[bob hindman]

Hudmeatbetterrrr get your assss to tulsa and u will see how to bild one.....


Hiney one of the hornets....


And if u cummmm u will get a lot of freeeee parts.....


Just ask roy 12.35 himself......

[Hudsonator]

Hudmeatbetterrrr get your assss to tulsa and u will see how to bild one.....


Hiney one of the hornets....


And if u cummmm u will get a lot of freeeee parts.....


Just ask roy 12.35 himself......

What??? Free Parts?!?!?!?

Tulsa huh? We need to talk.

Hud

[Hudsonator]

Hudson's are a labor of love, but there really needs to be an independent amongst you guys. Vintage performance wasn't limited to the big 3, which is what makes the timeperiod so attractive to me in particular.

I'd like for somebody to show up with a Kaiser Super Sonic inline 6. There's a high winding, 12 port flathead block for somebody to exploit. As long as you lay your hands on a Kaiser or Willys block, the internals are not as rare as you'd imagine.

I'm on the side of the flathead inlines, and obviously here more often. I'll help you guys any way I can. Mopar, Kaiser, and obviously Hudson. I really want them all to do as well as they can. Variety is the spice of life, and what I'd really like to see in the fronts of these vehicles.

Hud

[348chevy]

My GMC engine is running Hudson rods. Does that make it a crossbreed, flathead overhead?:DRoy

[64 DODGE 440]

Parts is parts....... If we don't mix and match, we ain't true to the spirit. :cool:

[Hudsonator]

Crossbreeding is good, I've done it for years with tractor engines. If it fits, why not use it?

Tip: Don't be sacrificing good 308's for the danged rods. The same rods/rod lengths and materials are common to all big sixes from '48-'56. 232, 262, and 308's all have the same Atlas rod.

Nice un's huh? Who needs a custom rod?

Hud

[Old6rodder]

Wouldn't that be a "Flaverhead"?

[Hudsonator]

How about "Overflat"

can I use tractor parts?

I'm scramblin' and I love it. I've been thrown out of the box I had nestled into. That's what this is about, isn't it?

Hud

[64 DODGE 440]

How about "Overflat"

can I use tractor parts?

I'm scramblin' and I love it. I've been thrown out of the box I had nestled into. That's what this is about, isn't it?

Hud

Yes.......Yes.......and Yes.:D

[Dick Dake]

You guys are tempting me to run a 185 Stude Champ and show you guys a real flat head.

[64 DODGE 440]

You guys are tempting me to run a 185 Stude Champ and show you guys a real flat head.

Do it!!!:D