Red Light runners should be Shot DEAD

[Jeem]

I live in the city that, I believe, is rated number one in red light running. I see it almost every day. People regularly hit intersections at 50 plus on red. There has been talk that ALL intersections should have the delay that some areas have. Probably would help, but would do nothing as far as driving the point home about NOT running REDS. I've got the news on while I'm drawing (and HAMBING) and, just like every day, two more reports of someone running and fatally killing an innocent person. Fucking tired of it. How arrogant can some people be?! Something needs to change with the mentallity of the general public. Today it was a Firebird that cruised through a red and killed a woman who was simply a passenger in a car her husband was driving. The guy in the Firebird is A.O.K., of course. Contrary to my opening statement, I do realize that people can make mistakes or "space out" at the wrong time. That's bad enough, but the people who highball through intersections because they do not feel it is important enough to actually stop at them make me feel criminally insane, as in, ripping their body parts off and dragging the piece of shit torso down the road. Harsh? Probably. I'd never do it, but that lady was probably some little kids Mother.

[Stevie G]

No argument here.
I had just finished the 'Race-toration of Suzuki GT-500, was making a trip to the ATM, Some spazz in an /Alfa Romeo decides to blow a flashing red. "I didn't see him" is what he told the cop. What about the freakin red light? Oh, and no license, driving his girlfriends car.
My mantra is...."Is it worth dying for?"
Slow the hell down people!!!

[MBL]

Dude I can add to this that it is probably in certain areas/neighborhoods....thats the way it is in Tampa....On my way home every day....I mean EVERY DAY...someone runs this light right in front of me. Its amazing....what it gets down to is that these people are only concerned with what they are doing...and have absolutely no consideration for anyone else. If I were a cop I would sit there and keep writting tickets.
Tim
MBL

[Rocky]

I thought Chula Vista was the redlight-running-capitol of the world. I don't know how many times I've seen chivvy low-riders cruise right throuogh the red lights without the guy even looking right or left!...I was a small town Oregon transplant and couldn't believe my eyes! Got the LOUD polka music screamin from the speakers and cruising 25 MPH through the residentials without once stopping at any lights or signs...saw it many times. Idiots!

[Fraz]

It's everywhere. At least 3 cars go thru red lights here, at every red light, and it's a small town! Local cops love it, that and speeding tickets get them paid every month.

[=mike=]

Red light cameras , they are being perfected in California , and soon to be in a state near you . This might be the " wrong thing to say " . . . but I think they are a good idea .

[scooter]

Itend to agree w/ ya jeem ! Even worse are the people who try and get out of the red light cameras ticket by ducking ,wearing a goofy mask , putting a hand over thier face , or hat at the moment the picture is taken .They should have spike strips pop out for these pillars of driving exellance .maybe that will stop them ?Not touched upon is when the green arrow turns yellow then red , yet 4-5 cars still keep turning .Meanwhile your waiting at the green waiting for these morons .Yes we live in a defensive driving area for sure . http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[ray]

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I thought Chula Vista was the redlight-running-capitol of the world. I don't know how many times I've seen chivvy low-riders cruise right throuogh the red lights without the guy even looking right or left!...I was a small town Oregon transplant and couldn't believe my eyes! Got the LOUD polka music screamin from the speakers and cruising 25 MPH through the residentials without once stopping at any lights or signs...saw it many times. Idiots!

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hahaha, POLKA music! ha

being a midwesterner, i guess mariachi does kinda sound like polka... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Kojack]

I'm with you 110 percent man. I see that shit a lot too, and it pisses me off.

The idea is that blazing by this intersection is going to save you some time. Fucking idiots. I was side by side this chick in an SUV the other day, and the light goes yellow. I slow down, the bitch hits the gas and runs the red, because she's so fucking busy. I wait at the red, it goes green, I go. 45 seconds later I'm at her bumper again, because she's caught behind another light. What's the advantage? We're both now at the same place, only she could have gotten a 500 dollar ticket or killed some one.

[desertdroog]

Jeem, Scooter, I am with you on that. The weirdest phenomenon I have seen this past year are people who are already stopped at a red light, just decide to go. As if it were a stop sign. ON FREAKING 7th avenue and Indian School!!!

One thing that bugs me about this town (been here since 1978) is that there are not enough arrows for left turns. Trying to make more than one car through a left turn at a light in any place of Phoenix, is a joke during rush our. I am not condoing the 5th and 4th car making it through the light. I wish the city would make the lights work correctly during rush hour instead of trying to shove a trolley down Central Avenue.

[gettingreasy]

This place needs to have looong green arrows and once it goes red you can't go even if it's clear. I think the 6 cars that turn after the light change is fuckin scarry shit, I've lived here for almost 2 years and I've seen countless accidents caused by people waiting in the intersection to turn. When I used to dirve to school almost EVERY night, at 35th ave and Peoria there is an accident from dumbasses runnin the light or cuttin a green and smackin someone who had been waiting to turn out in the fuckin intersection. Why is there even turn lanes if you wait out in on coming traffic. That is my biggest beef with this state, those fuckin curtussy turn lanes.
-Jesse

[A32Flathead]

See a lot of it round here too, we have a couple of expressways, and more than once, I have ALMOST been t-boned when I have been in the intersection during MY green light. Last time, I had to pull to the side of the street & get my breath back, damm near scared the life outta me....

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Its not worth taking a life to save 30 secs....

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[haring]

Philadelphia is BAD for red light runners. It's so bad here that the city's SEPTA BUSSES routinely run red lights.

Last November, a SEMI TRUCK ran the red light near my house. Thankfully my late model truck with 4-wheel discs stopped on a dime, but I was honestly about 1 second away from getting T-BONED by a tractor trailer going about 40 mph.

The new thing here is PASSING in the BIKE LANE or the ONCOMING lane. This is on neighborhood streets. Fricken jagoffs just zip right around you on one lane streets. I've seen it five times in the last month. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[DrJ]

last week I was in the three way intersection near my house, it's got a huge "no-mans-land" in the middle and I was in the middle waiting to make a left turn. Lights green, oncoming traffic just thick enough to not be able to go. Light turns yellow, three cars accelerate to make it, light turns red, 3/4ton truck not even in the intersection and appearing to slow down hits the gas and goes through! Luckily I EXPECT THESE ASSHOLES TO DO THAT! and waited so I didn't get hit.
I think all vehicles should be required to have red stop lights on the FRONT of the vehicle and another light that identifies acceleration on the front too...That way you would know these assholes just changed their mind and switched from the brake to the gas before you're actually turning left in front of them.

Don't shoot them, just charge them with assault with a deadly weapon and put them away for 2nd degree murder if they kill someone.

[55olds88]

Its the same all over, for some reason we had red light cameras but they have been overtaken in popularity by speed cameras, seems strange considering that most accidents happen at intersections......
I had some little jerks just about cut the front of my company car off at the lights the other day, I was on a green and hadn't moved when these two little pricks in a bright orange early RX7 (no wonder they call those engines Wankels...) with super low springs etc comes skipping around the corner via a red at way too fast.... in the old days I woulda just hoped forward and given them a nudge but the company Astra with fiance and duaghter aboard ain't so good for that as a 30 year old Falcon http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif still on the bright side how many bright orange peices of shit can there be......dumb bastard will never even figure why what ever happens happens.....

[PEDDRO]

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red stop lights on the FRONT of the vehicle and another light that identifies acceleration on the front too

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Geez, Doc, I was just sayin' that to my GF last week!!

Speed cameras I hate. Red light cameras I see the value of.


But how does wearing a mask prevent you from getting a red-light ticket???

In Australia, the owner of the vehicle gets the ticket. If you weren't driving, you must nominate the driver and they cop the fine and lose demerit points.

[Morrisman]

When I lived in the Philippines I used to piss blood with frustration at the ridiculous way those people would drive like they were gods, and bullet proof. I mean, they would pull out of a side road with out even glancing at what was bearing down on them, be it a motorcycle or an 18 wheeler!!!! They would overtake traffic straight into your face, flashing their lights to make you roll off onto the dirt. Eventually I learnt to look out for everybody else, treat EVERYBODY like fuckin' retard, expect the worst, fitted some LOUD horns, swapped the motorcycle for a big old Chevy Nova, and then it all became a fun game http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[GreggAz]

f u jeem.... you scared the shit outta us here... with your luck we thought that something had hit ya in one of your trucks!!!!

but you are right... shoot em ALL http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[CharlieLed]

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Red light cameras , they are being perfected in California , and soon to be in a state near you . This might be the " wrong thing to say " . . . but I think they are a good idea .

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I got caught by one a few months ago in El Cajon, nothing blatant but the photos don't lie. I got a printout in the mail that showed a detailed pic of my face, another of the license plate, and a third showing the car entering the intersection with the light showing red. I don't see many blatant redlight abuses but I can speak for myself when I say that when the light turns yellow I'm hittin' the binders....
It's a shame to see so many states vote them down.

[Jeff Norwell]

We had redlight cameras here,but the "free thinking civil liberties bleeding fuck'in hearts rallied against the notion and called it an"invasion of privacy"
WTF????????.....Invasion of privacy?.....on PUBLIC roads?......

...I ALWAYS wait a couple of secs before I motivae thru a 4-way and or slow down........INVASION OF PRIVACY.....YEA ......sure.... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[Cad Carver]

I see it every day in Tucson. I have adapted myself to wait for the other traffic to stop whenever you get the green to go. When the idiots can't smarten up you have to.

[Jimv]

They just installed those cameras this week in Providence, they did 2 this week & there getting 23 more thru out the city.I think there a great idea
JimV

[abe lugo]

Hey, I only get worse, sometime when you do slow down for a yellow/red the guy behind practically runs over you, I've has people pass me at an intersection to take the red!! There are a many bad drivers in all of So-cal!!

[prime mover]

sounds like another nice feature of this me me me generation.

[InjectorTim]

Its the same here. I never take green lights for granted anymore. Good to always check, even if you have the green!

[chromedRAT]

it's bad here too. shit, especially out here in the "country (or is it suburbia yet?)." assholes always run the stop sign at the bottom of my hill. when they do it in front of me, i just veer at them a little as they cross and hit the gas, IF it is clear to do so. (i'm not really trying to hit anybody, and it isn't as bad as it sounds. i just do it when i have the space) i LOVE the looks on their selfish fucking faces when they see my little grand am at "ramming speed" subtly steering in their direction a pinch. you gotta expect the runners though, everywhere you go.

i remember a CARtoons magazine that had a solution. a giant metal spike that launched out and skewered the tires of offending cars, immediately halting their motorvation:)

[Mojo]

I'm with Prime on this one... who's worse though... the idiot kids who think life is like the Grand Theft Auto game with the cheat codes enabled (huh, I think i'll play later..), or the elderly who think it's 1950, and just because everyone else is going the opposite direction doesn't mean they're the ones going the wrong way.

For the record, I must admit I do roll through yellows if i'm very close to them. The ford is just going to go through them no matter how hard I push the brakes anyway sometimes. Red though, i'll back up to the light if I almost go through it. I watch around when things turn green to, just incase someone runs one.

L.A.... it's got bad traffic for a reason. I've never seen such poorly designed intersections and interstates in my life. Amazing. There's going to have to be some drastic, fundimental changes in roads to handle that many people. What those changes will be, no idea.

Someone really needs to invent the transporter, like on Star Trek...

People are getting worse at driving period. A friend has been fighting for his life for the past three weeks cause some idiot ran a stop sign. The kid never touched the brake pedal!

Just this weekend 3 kids were killed cause the driver tried to pass when he couldn't tell if there was a car coming the other direction. He ran head on into another car.

I'm a UPS driver and am guilty of rolling stops and parking in bad places but I could just shoot people when I see how bad they drive.

Clark

[burndup]

The next time someone someone makes a blatant attempt to kill me with their vehicle while I'm on my bike, I'm gonna follow em home and give them a limited chance to do it again mano a mano... we'll see how tough they are without a one ton weapon...

idiots like that better hope they get me the first time, anger and adrenaline make up well for my lack of stature...

[Jeem]

Sorry, didn't mean to give a scare, you DO know my luck don't you? I only posted because, sometimes, I feel like I'm the only one that this issue really makes mental. Not to sound sappy, actually, don't give a shit how I sound, it's just that I go insane thinking what would happen if my kids were hurt because of a situation like this.
"Artist Goes Berserk" "He was always a quiet person" "Belltower Sniper blah blah blah"
Actually. I do not dwell on issues such as this. I just try and teach my kids to ALWAYS be on their toes.

BTW, both trucks are in one piece (each) and both are actually running fine.... today.

Like you guys, I'm cautious on green too. Lots of self-absorbed pricks and prickettes out there.

This has been a public service message.

[Deyomatic]

EVERY FRIDAY when I head up to 35th and Northern there is an Accident on the 60 at the Priest exit. Same fucking place EVERY WEEK. The drivers in this city are the most inconsiderate simpletons I've ever come across. Sure, back in New England, they drive like PSYCHOS, but they drive like psychos that are paying attention to their surroundings.
Now, myself, I drive like the biggest pussy, so I'm not the problem.
I definately think the Yellows should be longer. They aren't set up to accomodate 50 year old braking technology.
On MANY occasions my old drum brakes just don't have the room to stop from 45 MPH for the 4 second yellow light to turn red. It's a snap decision. Downshift or brake?

[gotcha]

Red light runners are on the top of my "Most likely to receive" list...I hate red light runners, people who don't put kids in safety seats, and people who turn from a non-turn lane...I write them everyday...Press hard, you're signing 4 copies...

JP

[Missing Link]

Personally, I see it as a lack of respect. The red light runners have no respect for themselves so why should they respect you? At least that's what they think. Most of them probably feel that they are more important than anyone else. I travel the highway everyday back and fourth to work, and I must admit that most times the speed limit is a second thought to me. However, I try to be cautious and always leave enough space between me and the rest of traffic. I try not to tailgate because I hate it when people do it to me, I stop for stop signs and very rarely run yellows. It's not worth it to me. But the anal fisting soccer mom behind me in her SUV is so close to my bumper that attempting to follow the rules of the road is almost like mandatory suicide. Fuckin' people are crazy. The main road in our bum-fuck little town is sort of a highway, it's 55mph at both ends of the town with a 35mph zone going through the town. That doesn't stop anyone from ripping thru at 70. If you are in that much of a hurry maybe you should have left earlier? Bunch of dickheads. It amazes me when I see 15 or so cars doing 70-80 mph on the highway with about eight inches of space between their bumpers. And then of course, you have some stupid bastard who feels that it is o.k. to "weave a basket" These fuckin' losers take my life, and everyone else's, into their hands everyday. I don't give a flying fuck off a rolling donut if you are piloting a car, rig, suv, bike, big wheel, unicycle, pogo stick, whatever...most people could care fuckin' less about you, me, or the poor sap they rearended because they were running late getting their kid to "flute" practice. What the hell is so important that people need to tailgate? What's the big rush? Maybe if people calmed the fuck down a little bit and stopped being so concerned about being "here, there and everywhere" right away and learned some respect, they may actually enjoy life a bit more. Sometimes I get in a hurry too, but driving like a dick is just stupid. Not getting my lazy ass out of bed on time is no reason to be menace on the road. Sorry for the rant but these types of people irritate the hell out of me. I don't dig the idea of cameras but if it will start to make people think twice about being idiots then maybe it is worth it.

[hankcash]

Well, Gotcha can probably refute this more than anyone, but I don't see a huge red light running problem in Dallas.
I do however see fuckheads on the phone and not paying attention where or how fast they are going...
I mean, some of these bitches in thier Sub-urban assult vehicles with the brush guards and all of the soccer and cheerleading stickers on the back window are clueless when on the phone....
Can they not do two things at once?
I know most of them have had a threesome with no problem....
you would think that after double penetration, driving and talking would be easy....

And while I am on the subject of those stupid stickers that these folks put on the back windows.... If I were a child molester, all I need to do is read the back winshield of your car and I have the following information:

Your sons name is Chris
He plays soccer
His soccer team is the chargers
His team number is #47
His sister's name is Susie
She is a cheerleader
her squad's name is the cheer-bears
her squad number is #43
and if you combine it with the honor student stickers... I have the names of thier schools as well...

Soooo, If I wanted to strike up a conversation with one of your children, It would be easy to do....

"hey Chris, how are the chargers doing this season.... Oh yeah, I know your mom. How does she like her new green Suburban? Is Susie still cheerleading? She is number 43 still, isn't she......so on... and so on..."

See where I am going with this??

Stupid fucks... might as well put a sticker on your back window of your children naked!
Those stickers are petter-ass candy!

HC

[CherryBlossom]

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Can they not do two things at once?
I know most of them have had a threesome with no problem....
you would think that after double penetration, driving and talking would be easy....

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Stupid fucks... might as well put a sticker on your back window of your children naked!
Those stickers are petter-ass candy!

HC

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Yanno, I never quite thought of it that way......
How do you feel about the people that have dog breed stickers on their windows? :P

[hankcash]

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Yanno, I never quite thought of it that way......
How do you feel about the people that have dog breed stickers on their windows? :P

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Those people RULE. (see the movie BEST IN SHOW)
They just need to make certian not to drive or park their cars in a 3rd world country...
Some poor hungry bastard might see the picture of the dog on the bumper and think that it is an American food truck and commence to break in looking for puppy meat http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

HC

[CherryBlossom]

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Some poor hungry bastard might see the picture of the dog on the bumper and think that it is an American food truck and commence to break in looking for puppy meat http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

HC

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that's just plain WRONG.
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[36couper]

I know all too well about the consequences of someone running a red light or a light that is just about to turn red.
In 1989, my parents were out for a Sunday afternoon drive to visit relatives in the county.
As my Dad (driving) was going through the green light intersection, a driver coming though the intersection to my Dad's right failed to stop at his red. He was driving a truck pulling a front-end loader. He broadsided my parent's car right in the passenger door where my mother was. She died at the scene. Needless to say my Dad has never been the same. They were married for 50 years.
Now, when teaching my daughter how to drive, I stress the importance of stopping at amber lights before they turn red.
Not to bum anyone out but failing to stop for red lights is criminal.

[hankcash]

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I know all too well about the consequences of someone running a red light or a light that is just about to turn red.
In 1989, my parents were out for a Sunday afternoon drive to visit relatives in the county.
As my Dad (driving) was going through the green light intersection, a driver coming though the intersection to my Dad's right failed to stop at his red. He was driving a truck pulling a front-end loader. He broadsided my parent's car right in the passenger door where my mother was. She died at the scene. Needless to say my Dad has never been the same. They were married for 50 years.
Now, when teaching my daughter how to drive, I stress the importance of stopping at amber lights before they turn red.
Not to bum anyone out but failing to stop for red lights is criminal.

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truely sad. sorry to hear this....

It's kinda ironic, that one of the things that we love the most (cars) can also bring us so much misery when not used properly.....
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hc

[gotcha]

I think I've probably written less than 10 speeding tickets in the past 6 months, but I can't tell you how many red light, stop signs, unrestrained child, and illegal turn tickets I've written in the past month...The only way to get a speeding ticket from me is if it's truly a safety issue...As for the rest of my list, People to need to open their eyes and take a look around...It may their kid they plow into...I agree with the soccer mom, stickers on the back window thing...That's a pervs invitation right there...


JP

[hankcash]

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I think I've probably written less than 10 speeding tickets in the past 6 months, but I can't tell you how many red light, stop signs, unrestrained child, and illegal turn tickets I've written in the past month...The only way to get a speeding ticket from me is if it's truly a safety issue...As for the rest of my list, People to need to open their eyes and take a look around...It may their kid they plow into...I agree with the soccer mom, stickers on the back window thing...That's a pervs invitation right there...


JP

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wow, I take the new tollway (190) to and from work everyday and there is ALWAYS someone being pulled over for speeding....
I agree with you, If I was an officer, someone would have to be breaking the sound barrier, racing with another car or putting people in severe danger to get a speeding ticket from me....
I would not pull over every 70 in a 60 speeder... there is not enough time in the day for that.....

I did see a family in thier mid 90's thunderbird barrelling down 635 at about 65mph with a child (probably in the 3 year old range) sitting the the drivers lap playing with the wheel....
I drove beside them for a couple of miles and wanted to pull them over and beat the shit out of every adult in the car (there were 4 adults and 2 children)....

HC

[Smokin Joe]

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When I lived in the Philippines I used to piss blood with frustration at the ridiculous way those people would drive like they were gods, and bullet proof.

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I was luckier in the Phillippines. I was Armed Forces Police and Had a Phillippine P.C. with an M-16 riding shotgun. My vehicle was a big Chevy pickup with a pushbar on the front, police interceptor 454 engine and a cage for assholes on the back.

I once shoved a taxi thru a pizza parlor in Olongapo because he fliped me the bird and refused to get out of the way when I was on an emergency response. Taxi driver had to pay the damages. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I took a big knife off a guy that attacked me because I wouldn't allow him to go against traffic at a wreck. My PC partner threw him in the back of the truck and we drove around all day before finally taking him to jail at the end of his shift. Next time I saw that guy's truck, it was in the ocean at the bottom of a cliff in the zigzags leading out of Olongapo. My partner grinned from ear to ear and said, Hmmm, I wonder how that got there. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[spudshaft]

I hate red light runners too, but the last thing I want is a damn camera taking my picture for speeding or a red light. I don't think it is invasion of privacy, but it is lazy (on the cops part) and reeks of big brother. We don't have them here, but I'll be first in line to buy a license plate cover to disguise my plate when they do.

[daveydeuce]

Well, for my two bits worth, I have read all the posts and couldnt agree more!! What a society of "no responsibility", we have become. It has forced us into all types of "law enforcement items", cameras, radar, etc. I dislike the cameras too but view them as a VERY necessary evil to protect me and other innocent folks who respect the rules and regs. Sometimes I feel the ACLU gets off on some very misguided causes. Red light runners are my 1st and foremost peeve, however "CELL" phones are in 2nd place and pushing HARD to be # 1. If I did'nt see it every time I drive, it would be hard to believe someone if they were telling the horror stoies sbout the cell phone misuse, the "Leash" rings and people completely forget what the hell they are supposed to be doing, like paying attention to DRIVING!! It amazes me about the transformation that occurs when the Leash rings, like an electrical force encompassed their brain and good sense and caution is blocked out. Enough rambling!! Good luck folks http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Davey <font color="red"> </font>

[singledownloop]

i was hit by a 16 year old girl who ran a stop sign while i was riding my motorcycle in 97.I flew 50 feet and slid under a 1961 ford,lucky it set nice and high.I now have permanent frontal lobe damage and permanent nerve damage in my right arm.My helmet broke my nose and dislocated my jaw when i smacked the bumper on the 61 as i slid under it.Also bent my left leg forward instead of the natural direction breaking the tops off both bones.They called the Chaplin into the er and the whole deal.She had her license for a total of 3 months when this happened.

[Jester]

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If I were a cop I would sit there and keep writting tickets.


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If I were a cop I would sit there and shot people.....come to think of it that's probably why I wasn't accepted to the police academy.

[modernbeat]

While I hate Speed cameras (Safety Cameras in the UK) I do think that Red-Light cameras have a place in today's driving environment.

Unfortunately, it is just too easy to evade them. Aside from being a local and knowing which intersections have cameras and which ones don't, the "no respect" types might also have a car not registered to themselves, or have no registration, or obscured registration (by dirt, or covered, or tunneled into the trunk or behind the visor or at an angle or painted with super shiney laquer etc...). Also, cameras just punish folks for the crime they did. They don't prevent the crime.

For prevention, you need cops on the beat. I've ranted about societies and police before but it all boils down to having enough cops that they have a beat and that they walk it or ride a bike on it, know the folks in their territiory and have to power to make recomendations about traffic safety and neighborhood improvements. Like speed bumps on roads that folks use to cut through neighborhoods or adding turn lanes to intersections that need them (or to delete them) and changing stop signs, yield signs, and lights.

It's all about communication and respect. If you KNEW the cop that comes by your work and your home, you'd treat them better on the street and respect the law that they were forced to uphold a little more.

Sounds a little "Andy Griffith-y" but it's the truth.

[Deyomatic]

Gotcha, you sound like my kind of officer. But my BIGGEST peeve is people that don't use directional signals, either at all or until the last milisecond. You can tell just by looking at these milisecond offenders that they have no idea that the REAL purpose of using the directional is to warn others where you intend to drive.
They think that the only reason to use it is so you don't get a ticket. (I would have been run off the highway by someone not using a blinker if we weren't on a bridge with a guardrail). The people that do this on the highway NEVER check their blindspot either. If I were a cop.....

[D Picasso]

there's one traffic light in Brewster County, Texas.

[CherryBlossom]

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there's one traffic light in Brewster County, Texas.

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Do you run it? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[D Picasso]

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there's one traffic light in Brewster County, Texas.

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Do you run it? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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nahh....no one does. no one's in much of a hurry down here. besides, every other truck sports a loaded gun rack....an armed society is a polite society.

[modernbeat]

Yeah, but he stops at it when it's green. His brother lives there too and he might be coming down the crossroad! ;-)

BTW - Big Bend Open Road Race kicks off April 21st.

[hankcash]

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there's one traffic light in Brewster County, Texas.

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Is it electric?

HC

[Rix2Six]

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Gotcha, you sound like my kind of officer. But my BIGGEST peeve is people that don't use directional signals, either at all or until the last milisecond. You can tell just by looking at these milisecond offenders that they have no idea that the REAL purpose of using the directional is to warn others where you intend to drive.
They think that the only reason to use it is so you don't get a ticket. (I would have been run off the highway by someone not using a blinker if we weren't on a bridge with a guardrail). The people that do this on the highway NEVER check their blindspot either. If I were a cop.....

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I wouldn't want them to start using their signals... it'd take all the suprise out of my life!

[D Picasso]

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BTW - Big Bend Open Road Race kicks off April 21st.

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you coming? bring guns.

[MercMan1951]

I lost my very first car, and pride and joy to a mis-judgement about someone's actions at a light that was turning red.

It was a rainy May Friday afternoon, and I was in the left turn lane waiting to turn. The car in front of me went when he had the all clear, just as the light was turning yellow...(this is one of those intersections that didn't have a separate left turn only light)...I crept into the intersection (as the light by now was orange), and saw the Caddy coming at me, and I thought "It's already past yellow, he has plenty of room to stop" I saw the nose of his car dip down slightly, and I thought he was braking...and I began to make my turn... BLAM! He hit the gas instead of the brakes.

He decided to sail thru the intersection, as I was making my left turn...when I realized we were going to hit, I slammed on the brakes and let him wipe out my front end (my G/F at the time was riding shotgun). If I would have continued on or hit the gas, he would have T-boned me, possibly injuring my G/F. The Caddy was traveling at least the speed limit, which was 45 when we hit, and it was wet out. The impact spun me around 180 degrees (in a 4000 pound car), facing me almost back the way I had come from. The Caddy was an '85 Seville (the ugly ones with the weird slanted ass-end), and my car was a '79 Cougar. Nobody had the benefit of airbags. This was in 1991 or so. To this day I can't stand the sight of those cars.

All survived, we were unscathed in my car and had our seatbelts on. I could not believe, that with the light, he continued on anyway, completely dis-regarding the fact that someone was waiting (me) to make a left...They got their Caddy fixed, but my $1000, 15 year old car wasn't worth repairing...

They sued me for $125,000, the Caddy driver's 65 year old wife sitting in front (with no seatbelt-despite the law that she had to wear one,) hit her head on the windshield...and their 80 year old mother in the backseat (also unbelted) broke her hip. The insurance company settled out of court, the 80 year old got $100,000, and the lady in front got $25,000 for "permanent disfigurement" (a small wound on her forehead from the glass). To add insult to injury, they had their lawyer skulking around my high school asking people if I was a "reckless driver, and what kind of person was I?"

When discussing the situation with a police officer, the response I got was: no matter what color the light was, I should have yielded the right of way. If they ran the red light, they STILL had the right of way! My only conclusion to this irrational logic was that from now on, if I am in a similar situation, even if I have to make a left on a completely red light, and obscure traffic flow from oncoming directions, I will. It seems like: if you're trying to turn left, (in Michigan) you have no rights or protection under the "law". The double edged sword is that you could also get a ticket for going thru a red turning left.

It's not worth going thru that all over again that "because I thought the guy would stop &amp; he had plenty of time to do so." The light at that intersection a few years later had a left turn only light added to the others...so now there is no problem. I swear it takes a certian number of crashes or fatalities before a county, city, or township installs left turn lights. Why aren't they standard issue everywhere? Why aren't delays standard issue everywhere? It all (once again) boils down to money.

Be considerate when you're out there. If you can stop, DO IT! If you approach an intersection where you can clearly see people are waiting to turn left, STOP for cripe sakes!

I find myself now, when in a similar situation...acting like I am going to turn in front of a driver that has CLEARLY blown the red, just to freak them out.

I hate many people's concept around here that they are the ONLY ONES on the road and could give 2 shits about the guy alongside, in front of, or behind them in traffic.

Their lawyer didn't buy my explanation that it was "Common Courtesy" (my exact phrase under deposition) to stop for a red light if you see there are people waiting to turn left...I'm sorry, but I stop (if there is room) if I know there are people waiting to turn and there is no left turn light specifically for them, and the light has already changed to yellow. In my case above, there was PLENTY of room for the guy to stop. He elected to hit the gas instead...and the Lawyer sided with him. To avoid a lengthy court battle, the issue was settled out of court.

Nobody seems to care much about their fellow human beings anymore...let the lawyers sort out the details... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[=mike=]

man that's a fucked up story .

[builtbyme]

Had "Mr I'm The Road Regulator" not get outta the way, flip me the bird, slam brakes, and what really Pisses me off, slow down in curves and punch-it on the passing zones, all happened on a two lane backroad while I was trying to get my wife to the emergency room caused from a LIFE THREATENING allergic reaction. Run a red light--I have. Run a red light without being aware of all vehicles surrounding me--Never. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

If someone starts tailgating, GET THE FUCK OUTTA THE WAY. If all the dumb fucks going slower than the other vehicles would mearly move to the right as they pass the next vehicle. People who are in a hurry would be able to blast past them on the freeway. Too many " I'm gonna keep this idiot behind me from speeding, I'm going exactly the speed limit and no-one has the right to pass me so I'll stay in the fast lane if I wanna " FUCKS. Move outta the way and let Smokey do his job. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

If you are on a multilane highway, then for fucks sake move to the right. If on a two lane, look for a spot to pull off and allow the person to get around you.

If my wife wouldn't have been in the vehicle I would have ran Mr Road Regulator right off the damn road Guaranfuckinteed ... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[52Chief]

Hum, roadrage?

[builtbyme]

Without the inconsiderates there would be no such thing as road rage. The reason people weave in and out of traffic is because the fast lane is jammed up with Blue-haired grannys going to play bingo or something with no fuckin' clue about anyone else around them. You pass someone, someone passes you. So-what. Seems like these people think that you are infringing on their road or something.

My wife coulda died if I hadn't been able to pass Fuckface Mcfuck. If that woulda happened it wouldn't have been road rage it woulda been First-mutha-fuckin-degree murder. That's no Bullshit.

[52Chief]

I've noticed the people weaving in and out of lanes are just assholes that want to go 90, regardless of the speed the people in the fast lane are going. If everybody would just relax and not be in so much of a hurry, I think the roads would be safer.

I drive 80 pretty much everywhere here, (the speed limit on the 15 by my place is 70), so I figure it's easier for me to just pass, then to tailgate and be a dick. No big deal.

[builtbyme]

Sorry Chief but if my wife died and I remember your plate number from the fast lane going 10 miles slower than me I will personally stick my 357 Mag up your ass and pull the trigger. No Fucking Shit. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Smokin Joe]

We've got a light near my house that's on a busy intersection. If you want to turn left, you have to pull into the intersection and wait for the light to go red and the last few oncomming cars to go thru then make your turn. Then the next time the light turns from green to red 1 more car gets thru making a left. There's typically a 1/2 mile line waiting at this light and no way to get thru the intersection untill the guy turns left. I've spent up to a half hour at that damned light while each driver in turn makes a left after the light turns red. Next place to turn left is 1 mile down the road in either direction. The city has known about this problem for several years but won't fix it. How much can a left turn lane and light really cost? Surely not as much as the gas wasted at this damned light. The 2 lane road here leads along the edge of town and turning left at this light gets you back into the main drag going into town by making that left onto first street. Feeding this are all the major stores, Walmart, Kmart, Target, The Mall, and about 2 dozen other stores, a dozen restaurants, and a huge cinema complex. All those friggin people waiting on a 2 lane road to turn left onto first street to get back into town. Talk about road rage! The other way back into town is to go to 17th street. But, 17th street is the busyist street in town. You'll set thru each light at least 3 times between 9am and midnight. The fast way is to go to 17th, turn east out of town 1 mile, turn north for 2 miles, turn west for 2 miles and finally get back into town on the northeast corner. Believe it or not, that's MUCH faster than waiting at the light on first street and going over 5 miles out of your way probably saves gas too.

[Deyomatic]

Good plan. Then you'd be in prison for the rest of your life.
What if a guy with his dying wife in HIS car managed to run YOU and your wife off the road because he is weaving like a madman and his life is more important to him than yours is?
Now, if someone behind me is driving like a madman while flashing his lights and honking his horn, I'd get the F...out of the way in a heartbeat.

[52Chief]

I'm not trying to argue with you, but is it his fault you were in a hury?? How is he going to know that? I was speaking in gerneral terms of people trying to go 90 getting pissed at people going the speed limit anyway, nothing to do with your story.

[builtbyme]

That IS my point. If someone tailgates you, just move. You DON'T know why he is in a hurry. Maybe late, maybe drunk, maybe a psycho wanting to kill you, or just maybe someone with a 2-year-old that has been mangled by a pit-bull dog and will die without a blood transfusion within 5 minutes. Just be considerate of others around you, even if they are going 90 in a 55. Who knows why. Just move.

[52Chief]

I don't agree. If it's convient, I'll move, but I'm not about to be stuffed behind a semi for anybody. Call me selfish.

And if there is a medical emergency theres this great service called 911. If it's really important, they'll send a helicopter, no traffic then.

[builtbyme]

30 minutes to the nearest hospital, that's approx. 45 min for rescue to get here and get my wife safe. I made it in 12 minutes. Doc said 3 minutes later and she would have had at the very least brain damage. 5 more and she'd be dead.
You said slow down to make life simpler. You said you won't tailgate and be a dick, but you will hog the left lane so that you're not behind a fuckin' semi. WTF???
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So, I'll say again to YOU INCONSIDERATE FUCK. Stay outta my way.

[52Chief]

My point was, I'm not going to get stuck behind a semi, (I never said slow down either, I said relax, get your facts straight before you get your panties in a bunch). But why should I have to go 50 behind a semi? I'm not hogging anything. As long as I'm passing the semi, who cares? That's not being an "inconsiderate fuck". How is that hoging anything?

I don't think you get my point, but you know what, I don't care.

What I'm saying is that if I'm going down the road passing people, I'm not about to get boxed in behind some semi to let some prick going 90 go by. If that makes me inconsiderate, what does that make him? Why is he more important?


Fuck it, I don't even care. You have your opinion, I have mine. I have more important things to do then argue road ettique with you.

[AHotRod]

AGREED.

[builtbyme]

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But why should I have to go 50 behind a semi?

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Welcome to my world Chief.... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I knew that you'd see the point.
Why should I go 50 behind anybody. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
I love this board...

[hankcash]

did I leave the iron on????

HC

[Machinos]

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I lost my very first car, and pride and joy to a mis-judgement about someone's actions at a light that was turning red....

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Here's how the situation actually went:

You: "Oh shit, we're going to crash!"

The other guy: "I JUST WON THE LOTTERY!" *hits the gas*

[gotcha]

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RED means STOP...GREEN means GO...YELLOW means I still have 1/2 a second and I can make it...I think I'm gonna start writing yellow light runners too...

JP

[Hot Rod To Hell]

I got pulled over in Ponticrack MI for running a yellow light. The cop told me that running a yellow is exactly the same as running a red. I had some asshole tailgating me with his brights on, and If I'd have stopped when I looked from the rear view to the light, and saw the yellow, he'd have rear ended me, so I went through it.

Guess what....

The asshole tailgating me with his brights on was a cop, looking for a reason to pull me over! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[gotcha]

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The asshole tailgating me with his brights on was a cop, looking for a reason to pull me over!

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I have to admit he was wrong for that...If you have to do something to make someone break the law just so you have a reason to stop them, you're not doing your job...If someone clearly breaks the law in front of you w/o being provoked into it, then that person is wrong...Just remember, there are good cops and bad cops...I'm not a bad one.


JP

[Hot Rod To Hell]

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Just remember, there are good cops and bad cops...

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I wholeheartedly agree. I have some really good friends, and some family members that are cops, and the'yre all REALLY cool, and down to earth, but a lot of the cops around here seem to have something to prove!

[DrJ]

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I got pulled over in Ponticrack MI for running a yellow light. The cop told me that running a yellow is exactly the same as running a red. I had some asshole tailgating me with his brights on, and If I'd have stopped when I looked from the rear view to the light, and saw the yellow, he'd have rear ended me, so I went through it.

Guess what....

The asshole tailgating me with his brights on was a cop, looking for a reason to pull me over! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

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Did officer asshole cite you for "running a yellow light"? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Missing Link]

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I will personally stick my 357 Mag up your ass and pull the trigger

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Sounds like you are the typical asshole most people are fed up with. First off, if I am in the passing lane doing 70 in a 55 and passing other vehicles and you crawl up my ass, be prepared to slow down. Second off, PhuckPhace McPhaggit, stupid comments like the one above are un-called for. Pull a gun on someone? You really are a gutless puke. Go crawl back under your rock dickweed.

[gotcha]

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If you KNEW the cop that comes by your work and your home, you'd treat them better on the street and respect the law that they were forced to uphold a little more.


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I agree with this as well...I work for a small department...We only have 11 officers...I have co-workers that won't even wave at people passing by, much less pull up to their yard and see how things have been...There are officers that have been here longer than me, and people always ask if we got a new guy or who is that cop that never waves...Most of the people around here know that I can be a friend to them, but at the same time, they know I'm gonna do my job if I need to...I've arrested people that I was close friends with when I was in high school, but they still respect me because they know what I did was right...Sorry about this...Just my .02

JP

[Hot Rod To Hell]

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Did officer asshole cite you for "running a yellow light"?


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Nope. Luckily, after finding out everything was legit, and me arguing with him about how retarded it is to pull some one over for a runnin a yellow(I know, arguing with a cop... good idea! Under normal circumstances I wouldn't, but he knew this was a bullshit stop just as much as I did, so I called him on it!) , He sent me on my way and told me to "Pay more attention to those lights!" http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[builtbyme]

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Second off, PhuckPhace McPhaggit, stupid comments like the one above are un-called for. Pull a gun on someone? You really are a gutless puke.

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Guess you didn't read the heading for this post too well.
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Red Light runners should be Shot DEAD

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By the way Dickface McJerkoff, I said that If my wife died because of you I would personally hunt you down and KILL YOU, not just pull a gun. My wife is my life, my everything. Everything I do I think about in advance, I am willing to take full responsibility for any and all of my actions to include driving 90 in a 55 and recieving a citation and possibly the loss of my license or hunting down some slowpoke ( because I can drive anywhere at any speed in whatever lane and you can't stop me) in the fast lane down and facing first degree murder charges.

Anyway, I guess my colorful language threw some of you off. I am not saying that if you are passing, then move, I am saying that if you are traveling at or about the same speed as the car to your right then PLEASE,,, Lead, Follow, or Get The Hell Outta The Way.... Someones life may possibly be at stake.

[Brootal]

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Red light cameras , they are being perfected in California , and soon to be in a state near you . This might be the " wrong thing to say " . . . but I think they are a good idea .

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Red light cameras are great. It's those speeding tax cameras that give me the shits!!!

I seriously can't believe people run red lights. WTF is wrong with them?? One day they'll argue with a Mack truck, then they'll know about it!

[Jeem]

Sorry Builtbyme,
What I said was a rash generalization which I clarified that I would not actually shoot anyone. You made, pretty much, a direct threat based off some wild scenario.
I truly regret wording my post like I did. Although MOST people seem to get the nature of my intent.

[builtbyme]

Hey Jim it was a true story. Not a wild scenerio. When we say we will shoot someone dead around here, we mean it...
Nothing personal to anyone here on the H.A.M.B. but a man's word here in the country still means something. Good or bad.
Like I said I ran red lights, my wifes life was at stake, if someone was coming the other way I would have stopped. People are quick to judge without even having all of the facts. I was basically letting people know that not all people break the law because it is convenient for them, sometimes it is necessary.

[Psychobilly Boi]

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sounds like another nice feature of this me me me generation.

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Hey Prime,

Amen.

Danny