CASTING, Made my own cast alloy nailhead valve covers

[Carb-Otto]

Finned stuff from Finland! :D

I didnt like the shape of Moon valve covers (for nailhead) and Offenhauser has big logo on the center, and I didnt like that either. Moon looks way too billet and vintage-parts were too hard to find, so I decided to design my own valve cover model.
Long story short;
First, I made wooden valve cover. That took the most time...
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b352/OttosGarage/Cast%20Alloy/169_6908.jpg
Another picture;
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b352/OttosGarage/Cast%20Alloy/29092006405.jpg

Then I painted it and took it to foundry. There they sand-casted it.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b352/OttosGarage/Cast%20Alloy/24102006518.jpg

When I got it back to home-garage, I polished it
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b352/OttosGarage/Cast%20Alloy/26102006535.jpg
Another pic;

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b352/OttosGarage/Cast%20Alloy/29102006549.jpg

So there it was, shortly.
Small batch of these was made, at the moment, I still havent got 'em all from the foundry. I need few pairs myself, and one pair is already reserved. Rest will be sold.

As you notice, there is not breather or oil-filler tube. I'm currently fabricating valley cover which also will have some high fins, breather in original place, and short oil filler tube.

[flt-blk]

Did you make the buck a little oversize to account for shrinkage of the
Alluminum?

[geno_86ed]

Do you have a picture of the underside of your wooden form? I would like to see exactly how you made it.

Thanks,

Geno

[Carb-Otto]

Did you make the buck a little oversize to account for shrinkage of the
Alluminum?

Yes, I did.
Also, there can't be sharp corners, they will crack hardened casting sand. I've studied to furniture-carpenter some ten years ago and I'm carpenter as a trade, but this was my first sand casting buck ever.

[old beet]

I know who Charlie Price's (Vintage Speed) foundry is. They're really cheap, and do very good work. :)

I've actually been contemplating getting fome 318 Poly valve cover adapters/finned valve covers/factory authorized intake repops done to sell, and have been getting some ducks in a row to maybe make this happen.

I have the contact info on the foundry, located in KC, KS if anyone's interested. PM me and I'll hook you up with the info.

By the way, I'm interested in whether or not the mold was two pieces, etc as well.

~Jason


Cal Custom style valve covers for 318 Poly engines--Craig Fountain--polymuscle@hotmail.com.......Cast down under, but sent to L A for polishing......OLDBEET

[old beet]

Web site ain't workin!
19 Glendale St. Gorokan
NSW Australia 2263
61-2-4392-2215.......Or ask QQMOON

[LOWCAB]

Great looking cover thats for sure.
I too wanted something that did not exist in the form I wanted so I went this route to make(have cast) aircleaner.
Like some addressed there are shrinkage factors to consider when making a piece that needs some high tolerances. In order to have something cast there are some things that you cannot do like having negative angles or they (the foundry) will never get your master out of the mold to make the shape. All curves must have at least a 0.06 degree radii and also have a 0.03 in. positive angle( so it can be pulled out of the mold)
Shrinkage for standard aluminum is 5/32 in. per foot. So if you are casting something long but skinny you will see a noticable shortening in the length.

As far as what I wanted...I love the look of a Thickstun air cleaner, but I wanted one to fit a four barrel carb. This is what my first prototype top looked like.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/lowcab/Proto1.jpg

This was made of wood, bondo, paint, and lots of elbow grease.
After making this I realized that some changes needed to be made so a whole new one was made.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/lowcab/master3.jpg

It had wider spaced fins so that it would be easier to polish down the road. This second shot shows the top and the bottom(yellow) together.
If you think you can't do this...your wrong.
anybody want to see more? I don't mean to hijack this thread but I thought maybe it fit in with the subject.

As far as cost.. it was close to $120, including shipping back and forth to the foundry.

BR

[Carb-Otto]

Great work, Low Cab! Have you already taken it to foundry? You had there lots of important stuff told, I want to tell something also.

Ok, here is something about my valve cover -project. But first, I'm not educated to casting works,
so these are things that I've found when I've searched, I've noticed, and got answers from some old carpenters.

I started with birch, and ended up to cast aluminium...
First thing was to measure original valve cover, nobody wants valves to hit covers.
Writing those measures also to somewhere is not a bad idea.
First, when this piece of birch was still square, six grooves were made, in two different heights, which you propably notice here;
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b352/OttosGarage/Cast%20Alloy/27042006052.jpg
Second, another side was drilled hollow. It got it's shape with chisel and sanding paper. Gotta admit, also some Bondo. (I feel shame for that...)
Now this piece had those important, required shapes. Then again, with chisels and sanding
machine and -papers , outer shape got it's shape. This is phase that takes more time that I thought.
Also, it should look same from both ends and sides.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b352/OttosGarage/Cast%20Alloy/02102006439.jpg
I wanted to bolts go to same height with fins.
Buck was painted, it makes easier to get it out of sand.
As Cast -finish looks like it is hardened sand...
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b352/OttosGarage/Cast%20Alloy/241020065231.jpg

Also, remember that they have to pour that melted aluminum inside mold from somewhere... here is what it looks
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b352/OttosGarage/Cast%20Alloy/24102006520.jpg

As you know, polishing is not fast, but makes it looks soooo good!
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b352/OttosGarage/Cast%20Alloy/30102006552.jpg
And then generally;
This part is like bowl, it has to taper, so it is possible to get it out of the mold.
Also, sharp corners can't be used, they must be radiused. If they're not, casting sand will crack.
Casted piece is 1% smaller than original model, which has to be noticed when piece is fabricated.
Therefore, you can't just take all those vintage parts to foundry and ask them to do same thing again. Damn!

-Otto-

[LOWCAB]

Otto

Thanks for the compliment
I know the amount of work that goes into making something like yours.
This was my prototype on the engine. Pretend it's a Flathead.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/lowcab/prototype.jpg
BR

[Polara]

Check this site out, it has lots of info on home casting. It's a great site with good info and pictures.

http://www.backyardmetalcasting.com/

[scootermcrad]

We have a HAMBer that does this stuff for a living. You may check with him... he's our very own Dennis O'brien and he's a SUPER nice guy and easy to talk to! He's also on our Vendor list... O'brien Truckers. Maybe he could support some of the home brewed one-off parts some of us come up with around here. Here's the website:
http://www.obrientruckers.com/

[CURIOUS RASH]

Did you have to "face" them in a mill to be sure they are flat and even at the mating surface? I hear this is a big problem with the 348/409 Offenhauser covers.

I would think you could make a fortune building valve covers that look like yours for any engine out there. I would sure be interested in some for my 348.

I agree on the Moons, they are TOO refined.

[Matt Franklin]

Did you use any special alloy or heat treatment?
Very cool!

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[roddinron]

That's some really beautiful work! I grew up next to a foundry, so I've played around with sand casting a little. If anyone wants to try it themselves, you might find this interesting.
http://www.backyardmetalcasting.com/

OOPS I just realized Polara already suggested this

[RocketDaemon]

MAKE EM FOR ROCKETS!!!!! i need something with no name on it... since i will NEVER find sharp ones
http://www.hotrodcarbs.com/images/largegallery/642-Olds.jpg

http://www.hotrodcarbs.com/parts.php# how bout these olds covers?

[Ted H]

Carb-Otto,
Great work and fantastic results ! Teck week has just started and you've got it nailed already.
For those of you considering making your own patterns for casting there are special rulers made that compensate for the shrinkage factor. The shrinkage is different for each type of metal being cast, ie aluminun, cast iron. bronze, ect. so you have to get the ruler for the specific metal being cast. I don't know just off hand where to get the rulers but any of the home casting sites should have the info available.
Ted H

[1oldtimer]

I wonder if shrub hugging so cal has any foundrys? Great Post!

yes they do and they're EXPENSIVE. i went to 5 different ones and got quotes from $15k to $30k to do a run a 1000 ( in investment casting). i was thinking to do sbc, nailhead, 348 and buick straight 8 but too much $$$ for me. the computer one was a joke not what it was really going to look like, i just could'nt find the other picture on my computer.

[Mojo]

Wonder if lost wax and lost foam method would work too? Basically, you make the part out of wax. Then make the mold, pour the aluminum. The aluminum melts the wax out and fills in the void. Syrofoam works too, I was reading about it the other day actually.

[LOWCAB]

Just so I am thinking correctly... If the aluminum shrinks 1/4 of an inch per foot, the mold needs to be 2.08% of 1.208 times bigger than the desired final product.

Is the 1/4 inch per foot universal for most alloys and a good enough number to use for getting a fit presice enough for proper gasket seating?

Thanks,
Geno

Metal shrinks as it cools. Therefore, a casting is larger when it is hot than after it cools. When making a die, the diemaker has to make the die slightly larger than the finished casting.. The amount of shrinkage depends upon the type of metal being cast, and on the whether the mold will cool quickly or slowly. For small castings, the shrinkage rate is:

Iron - 1/8" per foot
Steel - 1/4" per foot
Aluminum - 5/32" per foot
Brass - 3/16" per foot

BR

[59BuickWagon]

Wow, that's a awesome looking valve cover Carb-Otto

If you have any extras that you plan on selling, I'll buy a pair for (insert drum roll) my 59 Buick wagon.

Scootermcad - thanks for the kind words.

JimV - I believe that Cumberland Foundry is a ferrous foundry - i.e. cast iron vs. aluminum/brass/bronze.

The angle that you need on the pattern (which is what the foundry types call the master that you make the mold from) is called the "draft angle" and I use 3-4 degrees as a rule.

And as for shrinkage, I use .013" (thirteen thousands) per inch for my aluminum patterns. So that works out to .156" per foot which is suspiciously close to 5/32" per foot.

Dennis

[thecarfarmer]

I just read this thread, and WOW! do those valve covers look beautiful.

There's been a lot of talk about shrink factors; there are special rulers ('shrink rules') that pattern makers use. Google "shrink rule" (keep the quotes) or click here (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22shrink+rule%22&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8). Easiest way to go, but you can also just add 1/8" or 3/16" per foot (depending on what kinda' metal you want to cast).

Also, about WA foundries; there's a little one I saw between 1st & 2nd ave south of the ball parks (in Seattle); somewhere near the Sears store. There's also a big one (olympic?) on airport way near lucille street. And I think there may be one or 2 more here in town.

-bill

[Shifty Shifterton]

Couple other tips from a foundryman

Try to make the walls somewhat uniform. Any thick areas will require a riser or gating to prevent shrinkage defects upon solidification. Example, if the rails and ribs on this valve cover would have been doubled in thickness, would have presented an issue as they're on opposite ends of the casting, and both need fed by a gate or riser. Common problem area is anyplace you put a mounting boss, those tend to be thick.

Make your wood pattern somewhat durable, in order to pack the sand around the buck, there's some force involved.

Shoot for one flat side with all the draft angle coming off the flat. The pattern will be mounted to plywood or other flat sheet to make the mold. If there's no flat, then it will have to be sliced, mounted on BOTH sides of the plywood and have draft accordingly. It is possible to do loose piece molding without mounting the pattern but you're asking for a higher price, lower yield, and more flash on the finished piece.

The best thing I could recommend is to visit the foundry with something similar in hand. They will clue you into the blind spots. I make a decent living trying to undo what not-foundry-smart design engineers have done.

Good Luck, and don't be afraid to try. If you can build a hot rod, you can make castings. But be patient, it's as much an art as a science.

Edit- almost forgot, nice craftsmanship man!