HA/GR Inspiratinal Picture Post.

[alteredpilot]

Post pics of your HA/GR, your HA/GR build or pics that inspire you or your build.

lets see chassis shots, action shots, posed shots, candid shots, new shots, old shots, your shots and stolen shots.

i'll start with a pic of ThingyM's chassis...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v364/alteredpilot/DSC01170.jpg

[REJ]

Well, I'm at work so I can not post a pic of mine, can not work on it either!
I do have some pics on the last post on this page that guiseart was kind enough to transfer over from the main board.

[Mr. Mac]

Very well done.

[QQMOON]

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k288/hambsters/HAMBsters11/3941BW.jpg

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k288/hambsters/HAMBsters12/4229.jpg



And for the whole story http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112323&&showall=1

[Rand Man]

One of the few build photos I have left after the crash (hard drive).

[Drewfus]

Old news, but good to start with....

Cheers,

Drewfus:D

[sgtmcd42]

my whole build is documented here. http://4images.sgtmcd.com/categories.php?cat_id=6

here is a pic from there.

http://4images.sgtmcd.com/data/media/18/024_24.JPG

[recycler]

Here's a couple shots of the sign on the door of the Speed Merchants new hideout. Not an HA/GR but I am inspired by it. :) Brad

[Rand Man]

I like the new logo. The new shop is awesome.

Here's a sot of the Cotton Copper. It inspired me when designing our rail. It's a survivor.

[Rand Man]

I've several photos to share. The twin flathead isn't very clear and it's too small. It does prove they were doiing twins in the early days.

[alteredpilot]

Rand Man, you are on the money!

thats exactly what i was hoping for.

having looked at tens of thousands of drag racing pics, the earlys still get me going...why? because I can do it too, and so can you, and so can the guy down the street.

the beauty is in the simplicity, the ingenuity, and the purpose.

that red full bodied job keeps spinning thru my head.....

[Rand Man]

a few more.

[REJ]

That's not fair! I see a blower on that flat motor!
I love that one. Do you have any idea when that picture was taken and where?

[Mr. Mac]

Cool pics Randy. I like the blown flatty too. Wander if we could get away with it if we put a tall hood on our cars?:D

[alteredpilot]

BITCHIN'
i've been looking ofr a good shot of chrisman's 25...
why you ask?
wait and see!!!

[Mr. Mac]

BITCHIN'
i've been looking ofr a good shot of chrisman's 25...
why you ask?
wait and see!!!

Naw, You wouldn't build one just like it would ya?:)

[Rand Man]

I don't know much about these photos, but tey are pretty old. Some of the cars were crude. Some are way cool.

[alteredpilot]

Zooooooooooooomies!

[Jim Marlett]

I don't know much about these photos, but tey are pretty old. Some of the cars were crude. Some are way cool.
Randman, those pictures are of early slingshots with drivers sitting behind the rear axle - too modern for a HA/GR.
However, they are cool and some have inspirational technology.

[Rand Man]

Sure, some of these don't qualify as HA/GR, but they are still in the "homebuilt" era, before race cars all started to look the same. Hrere's some that should qualify.

[Rand Man]

Let's try this again.

[Mr. Mac]

Well now! Duel engines. Naw better not,hell it's hard enough to get one to run. Cool pics Randy

[Rand Man]

This is the photo that sold me on building the rail. A set of rails, a team and a motor. The essence of mechanized sport.

[Rand Man]

Here's a few more.

[FiddyFour]

this is one of the pics i took at the HAMB drags, '05 that got me hooked.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/minne_twin/HMABDrags05140.jpg

[Old6rodder]

Here're the two that put the last straw on this particular camel's back...........

First the memory jogger ...........

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-1/1139091/MEWRF-Web_setlow-1.jpg



then the connector .................

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-1/1139091/YGAKX-rail.jpg

and thus the plan. And yeah, that old thing of flattie eights vs. inliners that turned my crank back then.

[Mr. Mac]

Here're the two that put the last straw on this particular camel's back...........

First the memory jogger ...........

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-1/1139091/MEWRF-Web_setlow-1.jpg



then the connector .................

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-1/1139091/YGAKX-rail.jpg

and thus the plan. And yeah, that old thing of flattie eights vs. inliners that turned my crank back then.

Talk about your ass draging the ground,mabe a little to close for me.

[FiddyFour]

lol

strap a titanium plate to your ass, and squat to brake the car :D

[Rand Man]

One more twin.

[Old6rodder]

lol

strap a titanium plate to your ass, and squat to brake the car :D

....... or just grow an "asbestass". :D

[Mr. Mac]

....... or just grow an "asbestass". :D

Ha Ha, Can you imagine hitting a turttle going down the track.:eek:
Randy dont show any more of those twin eng cars.:D

[Old6rodder]

Ha Ha, Can you imagine hitting a turttle going down the track.:eek:


Ouch, ............ calls to mind that scene of Shrek sliding down the castle bannister (what, no pain smiley?).

[Rand Man]

This is the last one I have for now. This one is running skinny bias plys. Cool.

[Mr. Mac]

This is the last one I have for now. This one is running skinny bias plys. Cool.

I have seen this pic before,I was surprised they were running the bias tires. I thought we were the only ones ever that had to do that.:)

[Rand Man]

A Hamber called Glen posted these on the main board. Had a Crosley mill.

[Mr. Mac]

Cool pic Randy, Me and a buddie in 1962 had a 98in scottyfin slingshot dragster with a crosley eng. The best I remember that thing would wind up to about 9000 rpm.

[Rand Man]

Here are a few "rail jobs" from the early 1950's

[Rand Man]

a few more

[Rand Man]

HA/GR represents the era before the OHV V8 and the sling shot took over. Some are sleek and some are crude. It was a time of inovation, but yet is was a simple time.

[Rand Man]

Some were converted sprint cars. Some cars were ran at the drags with designs we now think were only ran on the lakes.

[Rand Man]

Different takes in the same era.

[Rand Man]

more '50's stuff

[vectorsolid]

Awesome stuff Rand. Keep 'em coming. And would be neat if a guy knew the date the pic was taken.

I can't believe how unceremoniously you posted the 2 bug pics. ;) these 2.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=240065&d=1162775094

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=523875&d=1225333117

[Rand Man]

This forum embraces the post-war-pre-slingshot era. Rather than "cookie cutter, this era gives us the most freedom and room for expression in design. This thing was just being invented. Write your own story, just fit it into a certain timeframe.

One hint on this latest bunch: file name on some of them, such as 1951Flathead...jpg. None of the photos I posted last night were taken later than 1958, most pre-1954. After that, most of the photographic evidence indicates a new era had begun. Which was the short sling-shot during the NHRA Nitro ban. After 1963, another style and another era.

[vectorsolid]

This forum embraces the post-war-pre-slingshot era. Rather than "cookie cutter, this era gives us the most freedom and room for expression in design. This thing was just being invented. Write your own story, just fit it into a certain timeframe.

One hint on this latest bunch: file name on some of them, such as 1951Flathead...jpg. None of the photos I posted last night were taken later than 1958, most pre-1954. After that, most of the photographic evidence indicates a new era had begun. Which was the short sling-shot during the NHRA Nitro ban. After 1963, another style and another era.

I was just mentioning that the bug, the inspiration for the HA/GR stuff didn't even get a nod. Nothing more than that. :) It's a cool pic. I appreciate your efforts in this thread. :)

[348chevy]

One of the twin flathead dragsters is Jim Brissette and his brother's. Jim lived next door to my wife's folks. He would run his fueler and come home and tear the engine comepletely down and take the block out to the curb and scrub it with soap and water then take it back and put it together for the next week. Jim and his brother also had a A fuel roadster that was the fastest around but blewup regularly. Another HA/GR type shown was the Bean Bandits. If you ever saw them run then you know they were a bunch of guys who were true backyard builders and really were tough to beat. It is amazing that some of these cars went 140 + mph in the 50's, Gene's Brake shop, The Chrisman brothers no. 25, the Bean Bandits I saw them run that fast so I know it is true. They had a saying though " gasoline was for washing parts".:D Roy

[Ron Golden]

"Gasoline was for washing parts"

"Alcohol was for drinking"

"Nitro was for racing"


Roy,

What do you think a 25-30% load of nitro would do in our Jimmy's?

Ron

[dabirdguy]

Hamb drags pics...mostly HA/GR cars:
http://www.glennsplace.com/2008_drags.htm

[nexxussian]

"Gasoline was for washing parts"

"Alcohol was for drinking"

"Nitro was for racing"


Roy,

What do you think a 25-30% load of nitro would do in our Jimmy's?

Ron


Err, in a 'normal' Jimmy, IIRC California Bill had a brew that included Alcohol, Nitro and Tap Water :eek: (75%, 15% and 10% respectively IIRC). The tap water was supposedly for detonation supression (up jet acordingly :rolleyes:).

In your Jimmy I'd be worried about those rods (light and nicely longer, but not alot of margin for abuse, not nit picking, I'm amazed there was something available that was useable). Not half as worried about the rods as the gearbox grenading though (I'm kinda attached to my feet, I'd like to keep it that way).

If you had a scattershield that would be an interesting 'experiment' though. :D (no whammy, no whammy, c-mon 7, errr, I mean 6 :rolleyes:).

[vectorsolid]

You know what would be a nice "sister" thread to this? An HA/GR cars that have been built, thread. I know when looking for inspiration on those, you can go back many years looking for stuff. Be nice to have them all in one spot. :) Maybe encourage people not to post questions in that thread so it doesn't get muddied.

my .02

-Bob

[Rand Man]

You may not be seeing all the posts. At the bottom of the main page of this forum, there are "Display Options". It may default to "Last Two Months". Set yours "From The Begining". The path to true learning is not likely to be the shortest distance.

[nexxussian]

The path to true learning is not likely to be the shortest distance.


Amen.

[vectorsolid]

The path to true learning is not likely to be the shortest distance.

The path to true learning includes reading the RIGHT books, not all the books. ;)

The other key to learning is organization. The key to progress is movement.

What we have are hundreds of little pamphlets... Let's make 'em a book. :)

I'd do it, but I don't know everybody all that well yet. Gotta be somebody with a car that does that organizing into a thread of "built" HA/GR cars.

[FiddyFour]

I'd do it, but I don't know everybody all that well yet. Gotta be somebody with a car that does that organizing into a thread of "built" HA/GR cars.


we dont NEED a "book". we dont need a thread that contains just build pics and blueprints of how a car went together. we already have the search function. its not all that hard, and there arent all that many threads in the HA/GR forum to look through. it isnt like the classifieds for the love of pete :rolleyes:

settle down. put the keyboard away and haul out your welder. build it. the rules are loose ON PURPOSE. tight rules make for an easy build with less guesswork (read less thought involved), but we arent interested in an HA/GR-IROC series. if thats your goal, great! there are many classes in the NHRA that you can paint by numbers too.

[64 DODGE 440]

we dont NEED a "book". we dont need a thread that contains just build pics and blueprints of how a car went together. we already have the search function. its not all that hard, and there arent all that many threads in the HA/GR forum to look through. it isnt like the classifieds for the love of pete :rolleyes:

settle down. put the keyboard away and haul out your welder. build it. the rules are loose ON PURPOSE. tight rules make for an easy build with less guesswork (read less thought involved), but we arent interested in an HA/GR-IROC series. if thats your goal, great! there are many classes in the NHRA that you can paint by numbers too.

AMEN!! Well said FiddyFour.

[vectorsolid]

we dont NEED a "book". we dont need a thread that contains just build pics and blueprints of how a car went together. we already have the search function.

You can search for pics in the search function? blueprints? Who's threads you looking at?

I must have said something wrong, my apologies. I was thinking a thread, just like this one, to celebrate those that got cars done, not the whole build thread for each. As an example, Here's toymaker's car... next picture of the next car... all of them in one spot. Celebrating the coolness of it all. Give credit where credit is due. You know what an HA/GR car, threads not for you. It's for the people that wander in and are intrigued. The goal is to show people isn't it?

So, in a thread called HA/GR we should not have a thread called, "Completed HA/GR race cars"?

[64 DODGE 440]

You can search for pics in the search function? blueprints? Who's threads you looking at?

I must have said something wrong, my apologies. I was thinking a thread, just like this one, to celebrate those that got cars done, not the whole build thread for each. As an example, Here's toymaker's car... next picture of the next car... all of them in one spot. Celebrating the coolness of it all. Give credit where credit is due. You know what an HA/GR car, threads not for you. It's for the people that wander in and are intrigued. The goal is to show people isn't it?

So, in a thread called HA/GR we should not have a thread called, "Completed HA/GR race cars"?

I really don't think that there are any "blueprints", most of these cars are built to chalklines on the garage floor and the builders imagination. I know that we haven't got any drawings of our design, just "concept sketches". As said before these are home built drag rails, the way they used to be made.

As for finished cars, the pictures are usually found in the owner's build threads or the race meet posts, and as with most real hotrods, they aren't ever really finished, but "works in progress".

[nexxussian]

The closest to 'blueprints' I've seen were napkin sketches. Can't recall where I saw them posted though :confused:.

[FiddyFour]

i've seen at least two cars drawn out in CAD. both exceptional works in and of themselves

[nexxussian]

Good CAD work is a sight to behold. Were those posted? (I have searched, didn't find them, in this forum or on the main board, sometimes I have that problem though:confused:).

[64 DODGE 440]

The closest to 'blueprints' I've seen were napkin sketches. Can't recall where I saw them posted though :confused:.

Seems like "napkin sketches" are common engineering exercises for hotrodders and pilots. It must have something to do with the creative aspects of both endeavors.

[FiddyFour]

Seems like "napkin sketches" are common engineering exercises for hotrodders and pilots. It must have something to do with the creative aspects of both endeavors.

might be our usual close proximity to a stack of napkins... like a cocktail lounge

[64 DODGE 440]

might be our usual close proximity to a stack of napkins... like a cocktail lounge

Or the local airport cafe. It's amazing how many hotrodders are pilots, has something to do with living life to the fullest and enjoying the experience.

[nexxussian]

Seems like "napkin sketches" are common engineering exercises for hotrodders and pilots. It must have something to do with the creative aspects of both endeavors.


I've heard it said that more usefull things have been designed on napkins than any other way.:D

[vectorsolid]

Seems like "napkin sketches" are common engineering exercises for hotrodders and pilots. It must have something to do with the creative aspects of both endeavors.

Also known as "note pad CAD", or N.A.D. "Napkin aided design". Or P.A.D. "Paper aided design"

[hotrodmatt]

http://www.hotrodmattimages.com/eventgals/DOTD08/images/JB_9632x.jpg

http://www.hotrodmattimages.com/eventgals/DOTD08/images/JD_9060.jpg

http://www.hotrodmattimages.com/eventgals/DOTD08/images/JF_9218.jpg

http://www.hotrodmattimages.com/eventgals/DOTD08/images/MH_9130.jpg

[Ron Golden]

I'll have to say, your cars look great.

Ron

[vectorsolid]

(clipped the pics of the kick ass Aussie racers.)



Good job man. Now THAT is some inspiration! :)

[Old6rodder]

Also known as "note pad CAD", or N.A.D. "Napkin aided design". Or P.A.D. "Paper aided design"

Mine are C.A.D.
Crayon Aided Design
:p

[vectorsolid]

Mine are C.A.D.
Crayon Aided Design
:p


...lol... :D

[nexxussian]

Mine are C.A.D.
Crayon Aided Design
:p


Niiiice :D.

[nexxussian]

Wonderfull pics, Hotrodmatt.

[blown49]

Good CAD work is a sight to behold. Were those posted? (I have searched, didn't find them, in this forum or on the main board, sometimes I have that problem though:confused:).

This is the original drawing I made for the initial construction of the "Horrible". It's actually done in different layers so you can separate different aspects of the build. This was posted on here a couple of years ago I think.

Jim

Forgot to attach the drawing.....sorry guys; look before you post dummy!

Revised 11/05/08 @ 10:54 est

http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL755/2598819/15765844/341829761.jpg

Revised Roll cage

http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL755/2598819/15765844/341829762.jpg

You should be able to right click on each picture and save to your hard drive and then print. Drawings were loaded on Picturetrail as 800 x 600 size.

[nexxussian]

This is the original drawing I made for the initial construction of the "Horrible". It's actually done in different layers so you can separate different aspects of the build. This was posted on here a couple of years ago I think.

Jim

Hmm, musta missed those somehow. Do you recall the thread name? Or if it was in a thread you started? I've tried searching under your posts and the closest I find is the Flathead Ford CAD poster (http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113570&highlight=cad)(not that finding that is a bad thing :)).

[blown49]

Hmm, musta missed those somehow. Do you recall the thread name? Or if it was in a thread you started? I've tried searching under your posts and the closest I find is the Flathead Ford CAD poster (http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113570&highlight=cad)(not that finding that is a bad thing :)).

Like a dummy I forgot to attach the drawing. I edited the post this morning.......sorry.

This drawing was revised later to include the second roll bar hoop on the chassis after reading the 2006 NHRA rules I figured it was coming to get through tech. I also added it to the above post this morning.

Jim

[nexxussian]

Thank you.

[Old6rodder]

Recently got this picture of a flattie middie from the fifties that 64 DODGE 440 sent me. I know I've seen it a magazine or article sometime, somewhere but for the life of me I can't racall anything else about it. I think it might've been a club car.

Anybody know anything about this car?

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-1/1139091/MiddieFlattie2.JPG

[348chevy]

Donnie and Gene Bowman's Vineland Villian. Don't know any history of the car. :) Roy

[Joe Hamby]

Happy New Year again. I wonder how many are still interested? There were some new ones that we haven't heard from in a while. After Roy brought back this Inspiratinl post, I wander if these cars would be better excepted if they were not called hoky ass gas rails, but maybe simply called (Early gas rails) or E/GR.

[ThingyM]

Roy,, Weren't these "Kids" out of the Baldwin Park. Azuza, area..

[bobw]

1. Joe, When I talk to folks about HA/GR's, I call them Hamb Dragsters. Then I tell them the HAMB is a web site dedicated to traditional hot rods. That goes over quite well.
2. As far as interest: I'm leaving for the steel yard as soon as I finish this so I can get started on fabrication of my very own HA/GR.
3. I have a request: Somewhere among all the HAMB threads is a great pic of a bolt in rear axle mounting. I have searched for hours and can't find the right build. If someone could point me in the right direction it would be much appreciated.

[64 DODGE 440]

Happy New Year again. I wonder how many are still interested? There were some new ones that we haven't heard from in a while. After Roy brought back this Inspiratinl post, I wander if these cars would be better excepted if they were not called hoky ass gas rails, but maybe simply called (Early gas rails) or E/GR.

Why not go all the way and call them Early Gas Altered Dragsters, or E/GAD for short.:D

Actually I like the term HAmb Gas Rail, as bobw said it explains quite well.

[Rand Man]

bobw,
Bob Hindman manufactures a great little bolt-in rear axle bracket. I think he was offering these for free for new builders.

Joe,
I don't think anybody really refers to their rail as a Hokey-assed gas rail. They were invented on the message board of a website called The Jalopy Journal (TJJ). The owner/creator of TJJ calls his message board the H.A.M.B.

The way I understand it, this mesage board name came about as a joke. Ryan said at first "I'm not going to create some hokey-assed message board". Somehow the name stuck. There were just a few members at the time, and that was their inside joke.

The first two letters in HA/GR don't stand for the words Hokey Assed. They just refer to a internet website. As always, I state my opinions as fact. I'd like to steer clear of the dumb name and focus on the traditional hot rod stuff.

[Old6rodder]

Kind of hard to ignore the "dumb name" when it's part and parcel of how the class got here in the first place, and when so many folks take such pride in it.

Joe, I do understand your point.
I just honestly believe it's not merely unimportant but actually antithetic to the class. Think about it; would this class have become anything near what it's in the process of becoming had it originated under any other circumstances? My money's on a resounding NO. Had it not had the very non-mainstream appeal the HAMB lent it it would've died a-birthing.

And to take it the next step, I'll add that I believe that should it ever become mainstream it'll then die certainly. The whole intent of HA/GR isn't comprehensible to more than a small segment of the racing comunity, let alone the rest of our so-called society. It's actually an off-shoot of the intent of the HAMB itself, ie; a meeting place to further the efforts of those wanting to experience and/or re-enjoy the essence of the hot rodding and drag racing scenes as they were in the fifties (not merely the looks).

ps. On a lighter note, Exhaust Gas Recirculator wouldn't likely have the effect you're looking for anyway. :D

[nexxussian]

FWIW I've read a post from Ryan where he breaks down the name as HAmb Gas Rail (not with the capitalization I just did).

It was an older post, I forget where, I've seen others post and link to it though.

[64 DODGE 440]

A Duck by any other name will still waddle and quack.:D

If someone needs a name to understand what it is all about, they won't understand anyway and over thinking what to call these cars has the same effect as over engineering a simple bracket, or calling a hamburger a "ground steak sandwich".

To the builders of these cars, the name doesn't matter, it's just something to try and explain it all to the folks who don't understand. "HA/GR", "HAMB gas rail", "early gas dragster", "vintage styled dragster", "retro designed link to the beginnings of drag racing", "modern attempt at trying to be like it was back when powered by old engine and built with old parts".......all names that could apply and I'm sure you guys can come up with more, but the Duck won't care at all. It's just gonna quack and waddle and go on doing what it was made to do.......enjoy being a Duck and flying for fun.

[nexxussian]

Not what you meant at all I know, but, do they actually waddle? HAGRs, yes I know ducks waddle. Since you mentioned it I got to wondering, I know the tire pressure is kept low for traction, but the sidewall seems a mite stiff for that (but I don't have one) soooo??

[ThingyM]

BobW.. What type of rear end mounting are you looking for..Alot of the guys do it there own way..I had some photos on my chassis on here but I'm kinda what is called a "computer Dummy"..And I can't even find my own thread...But it is back in the archives someplace.....

BTW.. I was in Stillwater a couple of times..My Inlaws lived in Minn. Just outside of Minn/StPaul..Maple something.. Now in LaCross Wis..

[64 DODGE 440]

Not what you meant at all I know, but, do they actually waddle? HAGRs, yes I know ducks waddle. Since you mentioned it I got to wondering, I know the tire pressure is kept low for traction, but the sidewall seems a mite stiff for that (but I don't have one) soooo??

Not so much waddle as hop.......(HA/GRs, not Ducks).:D

[64 DODGE 440]

BobW.. What type of rear end mounting are you looking for..Alot of the guys do it there own way..I had some photos on my chassis on here but I'm kinda what is called a "computer Dummy"..And I can't even find my own thread...But it is back in the archives someplace.....

BTW.. I was in Stillwater a couple of times..My Inlaws lived in Minn. Just outside of Minn/StPaul..Maple something.. Now in LaCross Wis..

Dick, it may not be the thread you were looking for, but there are pictures of your car here.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=266967

[bobw]

ThingyM, Still 14 below zero here at noon. I had to snow blow the driveway and split some firewood this morning. Brrr! The garage is warm enough so I was able to start cutting steel for my HA/GR. Your relatives were probaably living in Maple Grove, a suburb of Minneapolis. Stillwater is the oldest town in Minnesota and is quite a tourist destination. I tend to stay away and just hang out on my 2 1/2 acres.
It looks like some of the guys weld the axle housing directly to the frame rails. I want to weld brackets to the axle housing and bolt the assembly to the frame rails. I am capable of designing a bracket that will work just fine. But I saw a very attractive bracket on one of the threads and I remember I liked how it bolted to the frame. I will be starting a build thread tonight showing my meager progress. Thanks for your interest in helping me. I have enjoyed following your build and have figured out you aren't new to the drag racing game.

[bob hindman]

pm your adressiss and youl get a freeee package...


HINEY....

[Rand Man]

Here's a great shot of the Bug.

[Rand Man]

A few different takes on design. Added a couple early shots of Don, just cuz I like 'em.

[64 DODGE 440]

ThingyM, Still 14 below zero here at noon. I had to snow blow the driveway and split some firewood this morning. Brrr! The garage is warm enough so I was able to start cutting steel for my HA/GR. Your relatives were probaably living in Maple Grove, a suburb of Minneapolis. Stillwater is the oldest town in Minnesota and is quite a tourist destination. I tend to stay away and just hang out on my 2 1/2 acres.
It looks like some of the guys weld the axle housing directly to the frame rails. I want to weld brackets to the axle housing and bolt the assembly to the frame rails. I am capable of designing a bracket that will work just fine. But I saw a very attractive bracket on one of the threads and I remember I liked how it bolted to the frame. I will be starting a build thread tonight showing my meager progress. Thanks for your interest in helping me. I have enjoyed following your build and have figured out you aren't new to the drag racing game.

Hey Bob, the reason they call the place Stillwater is probably that it's so cold the water doesn't move.:D

Made my own rear axle brackets to put the 8" Ford rear in our car, half the fun is making all of the bits in the shop. Anybody can buy parts.:cool:

[nexxussian]

Not so much waddle as hop.......(HA/GRs, not Ducks).:D


I figured they might.:)

[Drewfus]

Just went back to the start of the thread, great stuff Rand Man, any more shots of that Bean Bandit car and trailer?

Meanwhile, enough talking, here's some photo's...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/HAGR/060706007.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/HAGR/firstdragster.jpg

Love it..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/HAGR/masagmc110mph.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/HAGR/Winslow-61-2b.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/HAGR/55nationalsHAMB-1.jpg

Photo's like the next one, make me think that there's something really awesome/special about women getting involved in hot rodding

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/HAGR/Peggy-in-dragster.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/HAGR/Peggy-1952-3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/HAGR/Peggy-52-53-Cadallic-powere.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/HAGR/Para1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/HAGR/00071951.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/HAGR/SCAN0041.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/HAGR/SH100683.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/HAGR/SH100687-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/HAGR/SH100688-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/HAGR/vmiscrail54.jpg

Cheers,

Drewfus

[Drewfus]

Here's that awesome Bean Bandit car again......awesome.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/HAGR/group1photos009.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/HAGR/group1photos009a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/HAGR/group1photos010.jpg

how cool is this....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/HAGR/dawson-hadley_bh.jpg

[Old6rodder]

Rand man, I've had a woodie for the Midnight Oil car since the very first time I saw a picture of it (mumble) years ago. :D

If I thought I could get it on a strip I'd build a HAMBster in the style in a heartbeat. :cool:

This shot's from last year's Antique Nat's.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-1/1139091/MidnightOil.jpg

[348chevy]

I remember the Midnight Oil Special running at Pamona. It was a 4 banger that the engine set off to one side. I don't remember the times but it ran in the mid to late 1950's. When Mickey Thompson ran his Pontiac 4 bangers it was the death knell for any other 4 banger engine. John Bradley had a 4 banger that was a Model B engine on fuel that went 114 in the 1/4 but Thompson was on gas and over 130.:eek: Roy

[ThingyM]

Roy.. Wasn't that Midnighjt Oil car the original B&B Lumber 4 banger car that was out of Signal Hill Ca.. Ran at Lions mostly..It was one fast 4 banger.....

[Rand Man]

Well guys, my plan was to use that side-by-side layout for a new chassis. Pretty awsome for any in-line engine. That's not in the cards for a while, for me. Somebody better get out there and beat me to it!

[FritzTownFord]

Wow! I had never seen the Midnight Oil Special til just now.(honest)

The attached drawings are something I have been working on for a few days.
Yes, I know he pipes are on the wrong side - just wanted to show layout.

(If someone will PM me advise on posting thos nice big pics, I'll repost)

Are you guys okay with a side mount in this class? I just don't warm up to the "hanging out in space" high driver set-up. I still have things to do in life.

I suppose a glass body would be out of the question?

[Old6rodder]

Your pictures are over the size at which this forum's set-up automatically reduces'em to thumbnails and links the thumbnails to your original size, just click on the thumbnails to get your originals.

I use an editor that resizes the originals to a standardized web page size, just under that threshold.

The Midnight Oil car wasn't run at the Antique Nat's, it was only displayed on the trailer. I doubt it'd pass any tech today. In addition I believe it'd be extremely heavy with enough shields to satisfy today's safety requirements. That's why I didn't build the Barn Job in that style.

[ThingyM]

Glass Body??? Have at it.. That would be cool...Isn't Toms a "sort of side by" ???

[Old6rodder]

No, technically it's just an offset rear seater.

[348chevy]

Didn't the Midnight Oil run half of a Hispano-Suiza engine. Somebody ran one in that era. Trying to remember some of these cars of over 50 years ago is hard. Jazzy Nelson was one fast flathead powered altered, he took top eliminator lots of times. See I just get off on tangents when I start thinking about old race cars.I'm pretty sure that the Midnight Oil car ran a crank driven blower on half a Hispano-Suiza engine. You know there was a lot of homemade one of a kind on that engine. I don't remember who the guy was that ran it.:confused: Roy

[348chevy]

Well I went on the web to do a little research on Hispano-Suiza and they were quite an engine and company. They had a car engine that made 220hp in 1931 so that is a lot when most cars made 40 and 50hp. Strickly luxury cars though. I wonder if there are any around anymore?:)Roy

[bobw]

Great photos Drewfus, thanks.

[Rand Man]

In case some missed this discussion of the side-mount car, bringing this back up.

[bobw]

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh179/rwstillwater/bp09040small.jpg
Gastrick, from another hot rod site took this pic at Don Garlits' museum during Billetproof a few weeks ago. Pretty interesting car. Looks like flex pipe zoomies. Does anyone know details about this car?