Dan Kahn Selling His Modified On Egay [Archive]

Ryan

03-30-2004, 01:05 AM

For the most part, journalists don't get parts for free. That's a myth... I've gotten parts a few times for discounts and I know buddies in the business that have as well, but it is really rare for a company to just give up the goods like that... Think about it for a minute - why would a magazine let one of their employees benefit from such a tradeoff with a supplier when they are trying to earn a profit from advertising revenue? They make nothing on your cover price...

To further balance the equation, journalists make very little... They need a discount and maybe even a free part every now and then to get by. If they didn't get the breaks, what would they write about and what would we read.

I don't know Dan well, but have talked to him a few times both on the HAMB and through email... My take is that he is golden.

FWilliams

03-30-2004, 01:19 AM

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is it just me our are others feeling the same way

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as far as i am concerned it's just you

i only hope that he didnt have to sell it due to an emergency situation or problem. of course it is not my business any way

Dan is one of the most stand up guys that i have met off of this board,even it has only been on the phone or thru e-mails,
and i will forever be in his debt for the help on the raffle engine last year

Bigdaddy

03-30-2004, 01:22 AM

huh, ryan not that the story of him selling it is any of my business, its just that ive worked with some journalist from a mag when i used to help out at a shop and they wanted free work in trade for coverage in the mag... sort of free advertising... as face as his charecter goes wastn attacking that at all since i dont know him...

-Bigdaddy

Machinos

03-30-2004, 01:45 AM

Judging by other cars I've seen, when the suppliers actually give the parts to the builder for free, it's when it's a real show car that spends a couple years going around the country with huge ads sitting around it. If I'm remembering right, he took it on a road trip the minute it was done http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

metalshapes

03-30-2004, 02:13 AM

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just seems kinda shady

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No, it does not.
I think you just stuck your nose where it does not belong.
None of us need permission from our HAMB buddys when we buy or sell our cars.
My Girlfriend does not even have a say in that...

plan9

03-30-2004, 02:58 AM

i think what people are trying to say in an intelligent manner is, who gives a fuck? you will learn this someday, grasshoppa.. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Jeff Norwell

03-30-2004, 04:55 AM

....And he promised me a spin....Damn....Dan is #1...sweet guy and super intelligent.....I just wish I had the chance to of put my foot thru the firewall on that one.... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Jeff Norwell

03-30-2004, 04:58 AM

\really not trying to be a dick at all, \

...Too late ...you are....Do you know Dan personally?....I do.....be careful.

Fat Hack

03-30-2004, 08:23 AM

This already came up on an earlier thread, but Dan wasn't called out by name in the title.

First off, Dan (Scribe) is a HAMBer as well as a busy and well rounded automotive journalist. In a very short amount of time, he managed to take the base kit and build it into a very cool little modified while also honoring his other personal and professional obligations. If you have been following the build-up series in Rod & Custom, then you know that he thrashed many long nights, often working on only a few hours sleep to get the car done and to meet the deadlines for all of his magazine submissions.

In addition to balancing a total vehicle build-up against an often hectic work schedule, he managed to capture all of the details of the build to share with the world. The articles outlining the assembly of that car are some of the best project car stories I've ever read. It pays testamony to Dan's knowledge as a rodder and his skills as a professional journalist.

What we read in the magazines runs behind actual real time progress, of course. Dan's little modified has been done for a little while now and he's logged some miles on it. A whirlwind project that would overwhelm the vast majority of us here has been brought successfully from it's humble beginnings as a kit to it's final phase as a functional vehicle. It's really nothing short of amazing!

Why he has decided to sell is really his business. Maybe he's ready for a change, or maybe he wants to funnel some cash into his T-bird project? Perhaps he's got another project lined up that he'd like to build, and we may just be lucky enough to follow along as THAT car comes together? Whatever his reasons, nobody can take away his right to make up his own mind about what to do with the car and he need not explain his reasoning to any of us!

Do I know Dan? Not at all...never met him and never talked to him. In fact, he probably thinks I'm an asshole if he thinks of me at all because I've had some strong opinions on the magazine industry in the past, and I wouldn't blame him for that! None of my comments were directed at HIM personally, because I've always felt that he shines as a true example of what a quality automotive journalist SHOULD be, but I genuinely respect his right to any and all opinions he may have on ANY topic! I've enjoyed the Hell out of the build-up articles featuring Dan's little modified, and I'd like to commend him for a job well done!

Whatever his reasons for selling, I hope he gets top dollar for the car! He worked long, hard hours through personal sacrifice to share the project with the world, and he deserves recognition and compensation for it! Whoever buys the car will no doubt be stoked...as they will become the proud owner of a running, driving piece of history...a magazine car known the world over, and sure to be remembered for years to come!

What's "shady" about that?

porknbeaner

03-30-2004, 08:36 AM

Once in a blue moon ya get somethin' free. Sometimes you get a break and most of the time you get gored if you don't watch real close; some of the guys supplying the parts and services know you have everything given to you and you do make the big bucks, right?
Building a ride and documenting it, so that someone else can learn and reproduce what you've done, is work. Much more work than building one for someone else or building your own, for fun and profit.
If anyone has any beaf with Dan (I don't know him btw) its the people that supplied the parts and services.
The way I see it if he can peddle the car to fund his next project, that he will have to document every last detail so that someone else can learn from and or duplicate it. Then more power to him.
Bottom line is give the kid a break he's just trying to get by, just like the rest of us.

mr.midnite

03-30-2004, 10:03 AM

I have met Dan just a few times and walked away confident that he's a stand up guy. In fact, so is the whole crew at R & C. As far as his ride, whose business is it what he does?

Dirty Dug

03-30-2004, 10:12 AM

So a guy, any guy, puts all his energy into a project, any project. Others like his work and they want it. So he decides to sell it. After it's gone he wishes he had it back. Hopefully the money he got for it will help compensate for the loss. This is America. It's OK to make a little money from your hard work. In this case it was a kit car, quite well done as well as expertly documented. We all gained something from this car build and I personally hope he makes a killing on it.

03-30-2004, 10:16 AM

You don't have friends who come over and give you a hand with your project now and then?
And maybe even donate a part?

I do and I have a few donated parts in my latest project.
And donated parts & labor to others as well.
Just part of the hot rodding hobby.
Share what you can and help where you can.

I don't think Dan is any different from the rest of us.
Perhaps a little more visible, but that's about it.

Gracie

03-30-2004, 10:19 AM

Excuse me but they DO get a lot of stuff for free... I know, I've seen it. Ask Ron Ceridono.

Killer

03-30-2004, 10:32 AM

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For the most part, journalists don't get parts for free. That's a myth...

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No it's not.

You can get damn near anything you want for a tech article...

Givin up product is cheaper than buying an ad.

Junkyard Dog 32

03-30-2004, 10:41 AM

I don't know SCRIBE, but I like the car. What he does with it is his business.

I'd just like to know...
What's the difference in the VALUE of that, and
--->THIS ONE<--- (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2467787889)

http://geocities.com/houstonscsinc/1923hotrod/P2160004.jpg

Hell, that mill is worth damn near the price.
Good quality build... half the $$$

I just don't see it.

JOEhttp://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

LaGrasta

03-30-2004, 11:37 AM

They do get stuff for free because even I did when I worked there and I wasn't even an editor, I was an art director. I got extensive stuff for my Sportster as well as some stuff for my Astro. A tech article is worth a dozen ads. The advertised company makes sales off a few free parts and the mag gets a story and the editor gets some cool stuff for his car. It's a fair deal all around. The editors, by the way love their jobs. They have too because they live and breath it. They work all the time. They are always writing, attending car shows, working on their rides, story rides, etc. They don't get paid all that much, maybe at fashion mags they would, but not at PRIMEDIA so they deserve a few free parts.
I'm not saying feel bad for them, it's a cool gig. I miss not being there any longer.

**DONOTDELETE**

03-30-2004, 11:38 AM

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For the most part, journalists don't get parts for free. That's a myth...

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No it's not.

You can get damn near anything you want for a tech article...

Givin up product is cheaper than buying an ad.

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Yep, killer is the right one here. You can build an entire car for FREE if you know what you are doing- and you don't have to twist any arms either.

Ryan

03-30-2004, 11:48 AM

Apparently, I don't write good enough to get stuff for free... Even so, power to the guys that do! I certainly think they are worth it.

That said, if I ran a magazine I would put a fucking strangle hold on that stuff. Makes no sense financially to let your employees garner valuable revenue like that. Then again, I wouldn't be a whore to the advertisers either... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

LaGrasta

03-30-2004, 12:25 PM

I was told a few times from editors "these aren't magazines, they're product catalogs."

skipstitch

03-30-2004, 12:37 PM

OH SHIT!!! I sold my '32 on E-bay last fall....my dad gave me the Caddy air cleaner that I ran...a budddy of mine gave me the Coil Overs out back and I SWAPPED an interior for a new Chassis....Guess I had NO RIGHT to sell MY CAR. Who gives TWO NUTS who donated what, blah blah blah. I'll bet ya the guys who donated (if any) are happy with their advertising. Dan, I don't know ya...but good luck on E-bay.

03-30-2004, 12:48 PM

Didn't you just get a FREE metalflake air scoop?

Anyway, I never got anything for free that I didn't ask for...

Rocky

03-30-2004, 12:51 PM

Ok, I'm Dan for a day.....I've just finished up this kick-ass little modified with a lotta help [on parts] from vendors that advertise in my magazine. I also have several other projects in the works that need building but need the room. I could also use a little $$$ for esentials the vendors don't provide. Like bodywork on my T-bird. Not to mention the missus doesn't like the open air ride of the modified and won't ride with me unless it has windows and a cold A/C unit. What am I gonna do? Prolly sell the modified. And it was ME who built the car....it was also ME who provided the place and tools to build it. It was ME who went to the vendors for parts and it was ME who took all those photos at 3 am, trying to meet deadline..it's MY car to do with as I please because I earned it.
To be honest, my first reaction to hearing the modified was for sale was not positive either until I began looking at the big picture.....Dan earned his car. Hope he gets a nice price for it and I wish I had enough spare change lying around to buy it for myself! I'd love to own it! Mrs Rocky HATES wind in her hair....

rickyracer1962

03-30-2004, 01:03 PM

who cares it was only a kit car.

Bob K

03-30-2004, 01:05 PM

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I have met Dan just a few times and walked away confident that he's a stand up guy. In fact, so is the whole crew at R & C. As far as his ride, whose business is it what he does?

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I have met him also and think that he did a hell of a job on that car and the documentation of the buildup. I agree with the above statement that the whole crew including RF are car guy's to the Max. If he makes some money off of it, so be it, that's the American way. The magazine allows it, whether or not that's right is a whole different issue. Without that perk, would we be getting the killer type articles? As already stated it takes a hell of a lot of time and effort to put togther the car and the article.

Don't remember hearing such a big deal made about it when Ron Ceridono sold the speedster that he built and did an article on back to Speedy Bill. Maybe it's the egay thing that get's folks undies in a bundle.

My 2cents

B http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif B

SamIyam

03-30-2004, 01:08 PM

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I don't know SCRIBE, but I like the car. What he does with it is his business.

I'd just like to know...
What's the difference in the VALUE of that, and
--->THIS ONE<--- (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2467787889)

http://geocities.com/houstonscsinc/1923hotrod/P2160004.jpg

Hell, that mill is worth damn near the price.
Good quality build... half the $$$

I just don't see it.

JOEhttp://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

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If you can't see the difference, you'll never be able to achieve the calibur of car that Dan's is. Stance, tire selection, paint color choice, use of chrome... stance, proportions... stance.

Put quite simply, you can give two different car builders the same parts and one will come up with something that makes the masses drool, while the other will be left wondering why he can't meet his $10,000 reserve on e-bay.

Anyway... I now put people like the guy who started this poset in the category of "hater". I saw it when I built the BFD. I had my good friend Shag give me a steering box... and my friend Darryl give me an axle and a pickup bed... and Otto give us a pair of rims...
My friend Tim and I split the other $10,000 "to build" cost... and people say the car was built with donated parts! Fuck them.

I guess the root of all this misery is that plans change, projects change, situations chage... and just because we type it on a computer, people think it is written in stone. Shit, this place is like a big garage, where we all come to BS... I don't think ANYONE would go up to Dan, with a group of people standing around, and accuse him of reeping the benefits of building a car and then selling it. But when you can hide behind your computer, saying those things becomes easier all of the sudden. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Sam.

Broman

03-30-2004, 01:16 PM

What really kills me about the guys who write for the mags is that they can't JUST be good journalists, they also have to be mechanics -err excuse me techs-, bodymen, machinists, and throw in a little salemanship for good measure. I for one don't envy them.

Imagine that everything you do to your car is documented and critiqued by the world. Not only that if you misspell anithang or have one fact out of line, ugg!!

Then you try to sell one of your cars because you are leaving the position you love.....or at least that's what I thought was going on here....

I would just as soon stay in my own private garage and keep my mistakes to myself....

thirtytwo

03-30-2004, 01:47 PM

you cant keep them all , was this his first build???? since it was a kit car it was probely a good first experience for him so now he is selling and moving on to something that is more complicated, he probley learned how things were supposed to work now he can make his own stuff, on a hand built hotrod, tastes change he might not be as in love with the car as when he started, i bet thats never happened to you guys??

if someone did give him parts and they are pleased with the exposure from the free parts, then i would say both parties were happy with the arrangement, and he now has the right to do whatever he wants to do with his car, although im nosey also and was wondering why he was selling so soon, when i saw it on ebay,but its still none of my bussiness unless im a bidder..

FLAT6

03-30-2004, 01:47 PM

Not that my opinion matters to most of you, but the thought that was running through my head as I read each section of that build up was, "Must be nice to get all that stuff to build a car, get paid to build the car and document the whole process." If I was waking up every morning and goin to work there I would be happy as a clam. What is with all the "it's harder than you think to get free shit and build a car while being paid to do it" talk, seems like it would be pretty easy to me.

I am sure he is a nice guy and he did put in a great deal of time and effort into the car, but in my opinion, the parts used on it are far from traditional and are not my kind of style: brand new GM crate motor and tranny, wannabe 97 injection, glass body, and every other piece on the car is not more than 2 years old. It is a nice lookin car, but not my taste and im sure he wasn't complaining to get free parts and get paid to build it. Selling it is his own choice and I hope he does well doing it.
Mike

DrJ

03-30-2004, 01:48 PM

Oh shit...
When I worked at an Olds dealer in the 70s I bought a trade-in '55 Olds holiday for $75. Almost free in the eyes of most people since even then they could have got more for it. 12 years later I traded it for the '40 GMC I buit my blue truck from. Was that darn near a gift?
And I have a distributor, oil pump and carburetor on my Model A that Rocky GAVE ME.. Oh, am I in deep doo.
And mom-in-law gave us the down on our house and it's now worth several hundred thou more than we paid for it... Woe is me!

What about "The Donald" Trump?
A few years back he was dead broke, in the hole several million in fact, and people "gave" him credit to buy back in to the real estate game!

Did you get that kind of "gift"?

Did Dan get anything close to it even if he was given a few parts?

So on the grander scheme of things, just shut the fuck up about Dan's (rumored) good fortune!
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

plan9

03-30-2004, 02:47 PM

only clueless morons would criticise the BFD... the peanut gallery is ever vigilant, that thing is bad ass.

imo - sweat equity plays a huge part in a build up, its not like the BFD crew or this dan dude sat on their ass while some fairy godmother waved a wand and made a car.

i think im preaching to the choir though... all but a few of us are on the same page.

and youre right sam... there are HATERS everywhere, jealous becuase of someone elses good fortune

CherryBlossom

03-30-2004, 02:55 PM

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Some how this doesnt seem right, he uses his position at the magazine to get a bunch of free stuff done... or I am assuming "please let me know if im wrong" and then he is selling it on ebay as a magazine car and making hugh profits.... this just doesnt seem right? is it just me our are others feeling the same way??
Ebay listing # 2469066557

-Bigdaddy

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So what would have made you happy? Should he just GIVE the car away then, or keep it forever just to appease you?

Levis Classic

03-30-2004, 02:58 PM

Shit its his car - he can do with it as he pleases - this is America isn't it?

Big A

03-30-2004, 03:11 PM

Getting parts from a buddy and getting parts from an advertiser as part of a business deal are two VERY different things.

I own a bar. My suppliers give me promotional items to give away to customers to promote my business and to promote their product. That's the deal. I get stuff "for free" (ain't nothing free, I can assure you) and in return I promote their business. Win-win.

If I turn around and SELL the stuff (beer signs, posters, shirts etc.) on eBay, or anywhere else I would take a shit-kicking from my suppliers. Rightly so.

I DO have a problem with someone taking advantage of their position and personally profiting from it. And so should the companies that supplied anything. Business ethics 101.

zonkola

03-30-2004, 03:18 PM

Big A - There's a difference in these two flavors of promotion, though. In your case, it sounds like the promotion your suppliers are buying requires giving the free merchandise to your customers.

In the magazine case, the promotional value is ink: Articles & publicity for the manufacturer's product. If the publicity a manufacturer receives from giving away one part results in sales of hundreds of parts, do you really think they care if the writer sells the freebie on eBay afterwards?

It's only an ethics issue if the manufacturers expected (and paid for) a different outcome, and I don't think that's the case here. Maybe the magazine guys could chime in and confirm or deny this...

Unkl Ian

03-30-2004, 03:20 PM

Any manufacturers,or retailers,that gave him parts or services did so for their own selfish reasons.
They worked out a deal they were happy with,
and as long as the terms of the deal were honored,
WTF ?
The parts were shown and mentioned in a series of articles in a national magazine,
the finished car probably went to some shows,whatever.
That exposure is worth money to most companies.
When the guys handing out free parts decide they are not getting their moneys worth,
the parts will dry up.
Which might not be a bad thing,but that is another story.

abe lugo

03-30-2004, 03:25 PM

Sounds like a bunch grade school pansies yapping to me!! I've seen HAMEBERS turn a buck on other HAMBERS cars right on this board.
Bottom line, if his name is on the title, he can sell as he pleases.
Vendors do give freebies in return for tech articles.

Kevin Lee

03-30-2004, 03:29 PM

And getting parts from an advertiser and getting promotional items are two VERY different things. Why don't you dorks give up? HIS car. He's selling HIS car. You're the same bunch of numbnuts that would pound ten nails in a ramp built in MY yard and then get pissed when I won't let you skate it whenever you please. Grow up, this is big boy stuff.

mr.midnite

03-30-2004, 03:41 PM

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Grow up, this is big boy stuff.

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'nuff said

DrJ

03-30-2004, 03:44 PM

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I own a bar. My suppliers give me promotional items to give away to customers to promote my business and to promote their product. That's the deal. I get stuff "for free" (ain't nothing free, I can assure you) and in return I promote their business. Win-win.

If I turn around and SELL the stuff (beer signs, posters, shirts etc.) on eBay, or anywhere else I would take a shit-kicking from my suppliers. ...

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This isn't a case of the bar owner getting the freebie though.
It's as if your distributor ccame in and gave you a case of "Drink PBR" T shirts to give away with a sign that says "Free Tshirt with every pitcher of PBR, while supply lasts" Well, on the way out the door after his dealing with you, he also gave a free shirt to each of your waitresses and bar tenders who were on duty. Now it would be unethical for you to sell the shirts as you said but after the promotion is done what those employees did with the shirts that were given to them to own, with no apparent strings attached, would be their own business. That's the case that is (rumored to be) here.

Besides, unless something's changed Dan doesn't even work for R & C anymore. According to this anyway http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=251381&page=&view=&sb=5&o =&fpart=1&vc=1

Django

03-30-2004, 04:17 PM

Yeah, who is Scribe writing for now? I really enjoyed the articles on the build up of the mod.

R&C didn't pay for the whole car to be built did they? Scribe did, as I think I recall... R&C just agreed to it and then the venders started to donate or hugely discount parts. It's sad that he has to sell it, but the mags are way behind reality. It's been done for several months. Maybe he should add "controversial" to his description. Maybe it will go up and extra $2k or $3k. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Scribe

03-30-2004, 04:19 PM

Hey Everybody,

I figured this would end up on the HAMB sooner or later, but to be honest I'm really surprised at the overall positive tone of this thread. To all my friends, thanks for your kind words. I haven't been active on the HAMB for about six months because I grew tired of the constant mag and mag writer bashing, so this thread actually made me smile.

Here's the deal. Am I committed to selling my car? Nope, not really. I love that little roadster, but sometimes real life gets in the way. As many of you so-cal folks know, buying a house in this area has become damn near impossible, especially on a writer's meager income. I put the car on ebay to see what happenes, because living in an apartment and borrowing space in your parents garage 20 miles away makes working on projects pretty hard. Luckily my folks are very understanding people. If it sells, great. If not, that means I get to drive it all summer, which isn't a bad thing either.

As for what I did or did not get through the mag, that really isn't anyone's business. I built that car in less than two months start to finish, and invested about 800 hours and a lot of money doing it. I've got five figures invested in it, and coming up with that kind of cash in that short a time span basically busted me.

Hopefully the readers of the magazine enjoyed the buildup stories, the whole point was to see what it takes to build a little car solely out of aftermarket parts in a short time span. I tried to be as honest as I could, documenting the positves and negatives of the parts I worked with, as well as my own shortcomings as a novice builder. If you enjoyed the articles, then I did my job right. What I do with the car afterwards really isn't anyone's concern but mine. If for some reason you're bothered by it being on ebay, don't bid on it!

Thanks again to all of you had kind words to say. I'm sure I'll see y'all around at a show this summer, either in the roadster or my next project.

Dan

wayfarer

03-30-2004, 04:20 PM

I think he's still with R&C. He has several articles in the newest issue.

Junkyard Dog 32

03-30-2004, 04:21 PM

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If you can't see the difference, you'll never be able to achieve the calibur of car that Dan's is. Stance, tire selection, paint color choice, use of chrome... stance, proportions... stance.

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The thing is, SAM, I do see the difference in the cars. I'm talking about the sum of the parts and the labor to build it.
That 12K difference would buy a fuck-load of "stance", and it's my guess, the guy with the T wasn't building with donated parts. (Which I don't know the extent of the donated stuff SCRIBE got). I, already, said, that it's his car, and he's the one with all the choices. Hell, if a guy can make $$$, he shoud go for it. I buy junkyard parts, and make money off 'em all the time. That's the way a monitary society works.
Did you look at the auction page? That T, aside from needing a little body work, is a really nicely done car.
Just like I'm happy to see someone make out good on a deal, I hate seeing a guy take a bath, too.

To be quite honest, SAM, you don't know what I'm able to achieve. I've been living "check to check" for two+ years, and I'm here, alone. Give me all them parts and see. Until then, I'd appreciate it, if you wouldn't assume you know me, or my abilities, based on the fact that I like a T-Touring that didn't go for enough on EBAY... Okay?

JOEhttp://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

FLAT6

03-30-2004, 04:41 PM

Good response to sam's post, I think he is a bit out of line on his words. I think that the black one looks quite a bit better than the R&C one, but that is just my opinion, which will obviously be different than others. But for him to say you could never be on the same level as "Dan's car" is very disrespectful and you can bet if he said that to my face, I would do more than say something back, no matter how many people were standing with him.

This post has gotten out of control, emotions are now involved and that means that the discussion is falling apart and cannot reach a reasonable outcome. Dan put in the hours building the car, so he deserves to make whatever money he wants off of it.
Mike

Luke Jivetalker

03-30-2004, 04:55 PM

Samiyam is my hero, he speaks the Gospel, like it or get bent.

FLAT6

03-30-2004, 04:59 PM

You just proved my point completely, emotions are involved and so people get uptight and angry over stupid shit. No matter what you want to call it, what he said to Junkyard Dog was disrespectful and uncalled for. This whole post has become pointless.
Mike

Bigdaddy

03-30-2004, 05:18 PM

Scribe, dan if you will, I have never meet you and probably will sometime in my life, i like the mag you work for and read it.... didnt mean to stir up any trouble i was my opnion take it for what its worth... im sure you put in long hours and good luck on the house buying process.... as for RF i dont know if you remeber me ive meet you a dozen or so times thru lee and marty and the Jacks and when i was at my shop we were going to chop that buick for one of the guys at the mag and he wanted it done for free scott i think... Yes i did just get that free scoop, and if i decided not to run it, i would pass the good fortune onto another person... Without making a killing... as in i would give it to them for free also....

Levis Classic

03-30-2004, 05:22 PM

I agree SCRIBE. again it yours you do with it as you please. Keep up the good articles. I assume Kieth was good to work with at "Real Hot Rods" hes a great guy.

Ryan

03-30-2004, 05:32 PM

Those of you that took this post (which was constructive) to a name calling, shit slinging, emotional level should think about what they want out of this board.

OGNC

03-30-2004, 05:33 PM

Damn right Killer. Killer has had a lot of hands on experience with doing magazine tech articles. Killer actually helped me build an entire truck for the SEMA show in Las Vegas this past year and a lot of the products you see on that truck were donated by advertisers. But as Killer can tell you building anything for free is the most expensive kind of experience.

He can tell you about the weekends that we spent locked in the shop from Friday Night through Sunday. He can tell you exactly how hard it is to do.

Then there is the little matter of the publishing company Dan and RF work for (that JimA, Shortbus and I all used to work for). They don't pay shit. My first year working for Truckin' Magazine (1992) I made less than $18,000 and lived on my own in Orange County. Rent for a 1-bedroom apartment in the ghetto was $600 a month. Do the math. Editors at Primedia don't make crap for money. So if Dan wants to sell a car that he owns to be able to afford getting into a house. More power to him. In fact it is probably the smartest thing that dan could do!

And EVERYONE involved with the project is happy. Here is why.

Advertising in a magazine is around $4,500 a page (rate card).

A company supplies a $5,000 starter kit to build a hot rod and they get 20 pages of editorial over the course of a year.

That means that if they had to buy those pages it would have cost them $18,000.

They got it for way less than that. And then Dan and all of his buddies did all of the work to make the car bitchin. The car is "famous" for a while giving everybody involved (shops and mfgrs.) more credability. In the end, Dan works his ass off, is able to sell the car and start his own version of the Waltons right here in the greater LA area. Almost sounds like the plot for a great movie, doesn't it.

Stuff like this is beautiful. Dan if we run into each other at a show this year I'll buy you a beer!