Corporate Greed !

[JamesG]

Look at this crap. This guy has this site I go to from time to time. I go there tonight, not there!

Read why he had to close his site. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

BOSS Ride (http://www.bossride.com)

[Hot Rod To Hell]

That's Gay... Oh Shit! I hope Germ doesn't own the word "GAY"!!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[ELpolacko]

Belive it or not this is nothing new.

I have in my stash of shit somewhere a reproductin 48-56 Ford style hubcap with 0000 in the impressed bar instead of FORD.

Fourd goes nuts every now and then, GM and ChryCo too.

[JamesG]

LOL..... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Unkl Ian]

Looks like Muscle Car Shit.
Who gives a Fuck about Muscle Car Shit?

[Hot Rod To Hell]

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Looks like Muscle Car Shit.
Who gives a Fuck about Muscle Car Shit?


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Looks like Gasser/ nostalgia drag stuff to me! I for one give a SERIOUS shit about THAT stuff!

[JamesG]

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Looks like Muscle Car Shit.
Who gives a Fuck about Muscle Car Shit?

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Here we go again................He had a "SHOW ROD" section that was really good. And some really good gasser stuff too.;)

[burndup]

I own the trademarked word "Fuck." Its MINE. Same with "fucked, fucker, and fucking." I'm just really cool about letting everyone use them for free! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Peter Pan of Chicago]

That's a shame. It was a very cool site.

[Mojo]

Lawyers will be the downfall of our society. That, and credit cards. And that idiot band "The Darkness".

[Hot Rod To Hell]

Hey man... I believe in a thing calld love! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Gracie]

Boss Ride is a gay name anyway... why doesn't he just spell it with 3 s's or something?

[burndup]

Bozzzz.

[a/fxcomet]

Hey you retards, that website was run by Brandon (Hemi on the HAMB). That really sucks.

I heard the same thing about Obsolete Ford Parts- but dont they suck anyway? http://www.obsoletefordparts.com/readallaboutit.html .

[Roadsters.com]

This reminds me of the story of the man who invented straight pipes. Sometimes referred to as scavenger pipes, and more correctly known as scag pipes, they were actually named after their creator. After offering to supply them to Ford Motor Company as an option for their high-performance Mustangs, the attorneys realized that his first name was a trademark infringement, and forced him to change it.

And that, Sherman, is the story of Boz Scaggs.

In a related story, Ford has ordered Bruce Springsteen to change his nickname, and is so fed up he has announced his intention to become a dentist known as The Floss.

Now go to sleep.

- Dave
http://www.roadsters.com/

[FoMoCo_MoFo]

in the 80's my buddy used to own the holy grail of vintage volkswagon business in So Cal called Bugs for You and VW's lawyers did the same thing. they had to change it to BFY Obsolite

[JamesG]

Volkswagen is the worst! They made everyone in the aircooled VW mags stop using their emblem, said it was infringment! I bought a new ignition, NOS, from a VW shop here in town and guess what?.....They had to file part of the V and the W out of the center of the key! The key looked all #ucked up then. I hate VWoA, and not just for those reason's. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[trey]

yeah, thats another reason i got out of the vw's. a local dealer of parts lost a lot of stuff, vw came in a just took it. it also happened to a big dealer in colorado springs. i guess its nothing new, porsche does it, and the big italian guys have done it too.

i need to start copyrighting things.

trey (tm)

[ELpolacko]

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Volkswagen is the worst!

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VW is bad but HONDA is the worst. They make Ford look kind and forgiving. Around here we had loads of "Honda Only" type repair shops and all of them were forced to change thier names to not include any use of the name.

Draconian,

[Fat Hack]

Ford is just pissy cuz they finally got "Boss" back...they wanted to use it in the early 90s when I worked there and Eureka had a lock on the name for it's (hee hee) VACUUM cleaners! I remember one engineer being all pissed off about it..."How DARE they slap the name "Boss" on a VACUUM cleaner!".

The right company has the name now...Ford SUCKS!!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Petejoe]

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VACUUM cleaners! I remember one engineer being all pissed off about it..."How DARE they slap the name "Boss" on a VACUUM cleaner!".
The right company has the name now...Ford SUCKS!!!

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Good one !
They good adapt that sweeper to the intake and have best of both worlds.

[porknbeaner]

I knew a guy that had the same problem with Speedway a long time ago. He ahd an Irishman working for him at the time, they put a shamrock in the logo and the problem went away.
Its funny how trademark infringment works, sometimes a little change makes all the difference in the world, and sometimes it don't.
I'm thinking about tradmarking my name so that the cops can't write me a ticket. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Smokin Joe]

I'm waiting for the lawyer smart enough to sue FORD for leaving their logo on his car after they sold it to him. Surely we should all be paid a fair price for advertizing these corporations. Tiger Woods gets big bucks for wearing that Nike logo, why shouldn't I get a few bucks for showing the car logo. Budweiser should pay me too as i'm always displaying their logo in my hand. Hell, look what they pay Kenny and he doesn't even drink the shit! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[CadillacKid]

GM ain't much better boys....when my bro was selling shirts at shows he had to have a "Licensed by GM" tag on every one depicting a GM made car or a GM rep could make him take down the shirts (actually happened once before we knew)...pretty stupid shit, cuz alot of people just wanted to put the shirts on right there...guess where the tags ended up? In the garbage! We'd spend hours putting these goddamned tags on the shirts, just so people could cut them off and throw 'em out....retarded shit...corpoate greed sucks donkey dick....

[JamesG]

Man just think of all the trouble I could have gotten into back when I was in shool drawing Chevy bowties on all of my bookcovers..........

[Unkl Ian]

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back when I was in shool drawing Chevy bowties on all of my bookcovers..........

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That would explain your incredible spelling and gramatical skills.

[JamesG]

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back when I was in shool drawing Chevy bowties on all of my bookcovers..........

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That would explain your incredible spelling and gramatical skills.

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And I guess this explains your incredible lack of personality..... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Rusty Old Holdens]

Rusty was never here.

http://oldholden.com

[Jester]

Interesting, has anyone ever thought that maybe things are too "free"? Let me elaborate, in this country we can sue those that we victomize if they retaliate i.e. I break in your house or car you shoot me and I sue you for loss of income while in the hospital then tack on another 1.5 mill for pain and suffering. In this country we copyright even the words that we speak, if I want to own a word all I have to do is spread enough money around to get it copywriten and presto I own the word and you can't use it and if you do you have to pay me big time. The trademarks and copyrights and patends were great when they protected small kats from being associated with and obused by industry, now guess what there only purpose is to provide lawyers with jobs with'n big industry. I work for a large corp. and they have lawyers that all they do day in and day out is look for ways to get around patends and to make sure no one has there hands in our kool'aid all in the preservation on the all mighty buck. Don't get me wrong I understand not wanting hands in your kool'aid but fuck they don't pass the savings on to consumers or employees. The guy that I replaced did half as much work as I do and I'm being paid $2 an hour less than the bottom of the grade. Anyway I say we copywrite the words "copywrite,patend,and trademark" then everytime one of these mofo wants to use it in a contract they'll have to pay up to us too. My stand is this the words we speak shouldn't belong to anyone but the person speaking them. Hmm maybe I'm wrong maybe our freedoms are actually more restricted than we think........... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Broman]

I think Rusty is just asking for it. He'll have Holden hot on his trail and then maybe even the Knowbodys...... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


You know I was going to say that Harley Davidson is way on the other side of this. They let everyone throw their name around for as long as they wish. That has to be part of the reason for their success. You can be a Harley guy and be proud of it. Get an HD tatoo, does HD make money? No. The tatoo guy does. Does HD go after him? No. Paint a big bar and shield on your garage wall, they don't care. I mean how many "home-made" HD logos do you think you've seen in your life. Probably more than real ones.....The point is it puts their names in everyones mouths. They HAVE to love THAT. Most HD guys wouldn't give a fuck if HD folded tommorrow. They'd just keep riding and building HD's anyway. It is in their hearts and in their blood.

With that being said. They aren't going to let you build a Harley based motor (like S&S did/does) and slap a HD badge on it. I mean that is staight up robbery of the HD name. If you are making your own product but selling it as a big name product what do you expect? I can see why VW could get upset. Unless you have bought rights to the name you should get penalized, even if it's just a hubcap...

I have heard stories of people building home-made HD gas pumps and petal cars etc. etc. and trying to sell them at swaps or on ebay. That's not exactly right either, because (I assume) they are jacking the price way up just because they know HD stuff is hot and easy to sell. They are makeing money off of the name. I have been told that Harley DOES go after these kind of guys. So, I guess, be warned...

I work in a sign shop and people come in all of the time and want us to make decals so they can build stuff like that. Generally, if it is a one time only deal - and a personal project just for the customer, we do it. However there are certain people who we know are going to try to re-sell the product we refuse to do it. The lines get pretty blurry. We always ask what they are doing and if it seems shady we send them on their way. All it takes is a good liar to get by us unfortunatly but you'd be surprized how many times people will spill their guts...

[wingnutz]

In So-Cal... my friends business has been known as "Rudy's Jaguar" for 30+ years...!

Jaguar threatened to sue him..., so the name is now "rudy's JAGUAR repair"...! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif This happened shortly after Ferd became involved with Jaguar! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Mark

[53choptop]

Is "H.A.M.B" copyrighted? If not lets get on it Ryan before "Ho's And Monkey Bones" decides to take it, or maybe "Ham And Mayonaise Burgers" or maybe .....

[Smokin Joe]

I thought it was "Hairs Around My Ba.."

Chrysler went after JEEP's Bar in Alpine Wy. a few years ago. JEEP finally won but it cost him years of frustration and a shitload of money to defend himself. On the other side, all those great car models we built as kids went away when Chevrolet & Ford went after MPC, Revell and the others.

I can see copyrite being a good thing for a band with a record or a car company that doesn't want cheap overseas parts miss represented as their product. That only makes sense. But when the singer dies, the copyrite should go with him. Car companies shouldn't squeeze model makers for use of their logo.

Corporations buying up copyrites and trademarks to milk royalties forever in areas of business the company or artist was never involved in should never have been allowed in my opinion. The way it is today, if Johnny Ace paints a Rat Fink in a Model A, Ford lawyers could sue him for infringement and if he makes that Model A look funny in a way Ford doesn't approve of, they'd nail his ass for defamation and damages too. Even tho Ford hasn't made a Model A or even a part for one in 70 years and they've never been in the painting business.

Do royalties for Beatles records go to the surviving beatles? Or to the record lables that made the records?
Nope, they go to Michael Jackson and the RIAA because they bought the rights. I don't think the rights should have ever been allowed to be for sale.

And the idea that a company can own a word like BOSS is a sad comentary on how far the liberals and lawyers have manipulated this country of sheep.

[geno_86ed]

Lets not forget that Pontiac used the GTO badge name after they stole it from Ferrari and their Gran Torismo Omolagato because they did not have it copyrighted. Let alone the GTO went on to make a great name for Pontiac and was one of the original muscle cars.
There is also currently a rodeo company in Texas that stole the bucking bronc logo that the state and University of Wyoming have used since the cavemen. They said it was an abandoned logo, but are currently in litigation.
Too many lawyers, greedy businesses, and people wanting to steal recognizable icons to gain a business edge (damn rodeo company).

How About More Beer?

[safariknut]

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Volkswagen is the worst! They made everyone in the aircooled VW mags stop using their emblem, said it was infringment!

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Yeah VW really got a bug up their ass(pun intended)when the National Lampoon magazine ran a phony VW ad.If you remember when VW was running their ads touting the fact that their cars were so watertight they'd actually float?
Well this was about 1970 and the Chappaquiddick Incident(where our friend Teddy the K offed a certain person)was still fresh in a lot of minds and the Lampoon runs a pic of a half-submerged VW with the caption:"Poor Teddy! If he'd been driving one of these he'd be President today!"
The suits went apeshit and sued them for millions and made em take all the magazines off the stands.I think that was the birth of political correctness in this country.

[Elrusto]

Elrust-o-rod (TM)

Corporate America (pfffft!), FUCKEM'!!!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[zman]

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You know I was going to say that Harley Davidson is way on the other side of this. They let everyone throw their name around for as long as they wish. That has to be part of the reason for their success. You can be a Harley guy and be proud of it. Get an HD tatoo, does HD make money? No. The tatoo guy does. Does HD go after him?

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Yeah right! Unless you have "Hog" in your name, then they're coming after you. Just ask the guys at the "Hog Farm"
http://www.the-hog-farm.com/shop-wins-hog.html
They're just as bad as the next corporate whore.

[ray]

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Ford is just pissy cuz they finally got "Boss" back...they wanted to use it in the early 90s when I worked there and Eureka had a lock on the name for it's (hee hee) VACUUM cleaners! I remember one engineer being all pissed off about it..."How DARE they slap the name "Boss" on a VACUUM cleaner!".

The right company has the name now...Ford SUCKS!!! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif




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actually ford is prolly pissy cause they got fucked on the "new" GT-40....uh, i mean GT. guess they weren't thinking ahead on that one, and they weren't willing to pay the asking price.

[hemi]

Thanks for the comments guys, both the good and the bad.

Funny thing, I have a scan of a 1963 issue of R&C, and it has Ed Roth on the back cover, and he has the word Boss as an adjective in the bold copy...it was a very popular word, found all through the pop culture at the time, well before they bought it in 1968....

It's not so much damn the man, as it is fighting for what should be mine. I have invested a bit into the Boss Ride adventure, including a vast portion of last year's tax return for the trademark application. To do it right and protect myself first...ha.
The wife & kids, and I sure could have used that money for something else if I knew I was going to have to jump through all these legal hoops...I did the trademark search, and scan, and according to them, it did not conflict with anything...but you have to post it for opposition, and that's when Fords sub-contracted law firm picked it up, delaying me with all the available time-staller motions they can file...this won't play out until late 2005, after which, if by some crazy chance I was to win, I'm sure they would file an appeal, blah blah, blah.

Funny thing is, they have provisions to prohibit companies from having a monopoly on a word, which is basically what Ford has, under a section called "fair useage". This has provisions for me to justify my using Boss as a non-market confusion causing adjective to describe everything from 70's snowmoblies with hemi's to gassers...it was a common adjective. Ford used it for a perfomance package for a car, and unless you are directly tied to their cash, like Boss Performance, you can't have the word boss for squat.

It would be like Honda making an "Awesome Accord", and trademarking it, and then having dogs chase down everyone using awesome. Fair useage...

But I am me, and they are Fords sub-contracted law firm with years of experience and a billing department that won't quit, so we will see that if here in noble America, truth and logic prevail, or cash.

Wish me luck, and I will build another site soon with 3 times the showrod pictures, I had just been gearing up to update the site...

[Hot Rod To Hell]

"Bawss Rides; in no way associated with the FoMoCo owned word 'Boss'" http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Jeem]

Absolutely right about the Hondas ElPolocko. For years we have taken the wife's Civic to a Honda repair shop. The guy had to change the name of his shop to not include the word Honda only thing is, they could not make him change HIS name which is Rick Acord (one "C").

A number of years ago Scale Auto Enthusiast magazine ran a contest to build the new Batmobile model. The model company who produced the kit pulled the plug on the name, "Build the Batmobile Contest". So, along with a pic of the new Batmobile, the new name was "Build the Kit No. ######## Contest" There is always a way around it I suppose.

Unfortunately, Karl's Custom VW here in Phoenix had to drop the VW in his shop's name recently. Pretty much the only game in town for strictly VW air cooled stuff so the locals know what they sell anyway.

[Jester]

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Lets not forget that Pontiac used the GTO badge name after they stole it from Ferrari and their Gran Torismo Omolagato because they did not have it copyrighted.

[/ QUOTE ] Don't forget Mitsubishi's contribution to GTO by the way this has always made me sick.

http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog/mitsubishi/gto/

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[repoguy]

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Looks like Muscle Car Shit.
Who gives a Fuck about Muscle Car Shit?

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Well, I do.

They're fun, fast cars. What else matters?

I personally don't see where one's appreciation for traditional rods & customs hinges on one bashing everything else that isn't exactly that.

[JamesG]

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Looks like Muscle Car Shit.
Who gives a Fuck about Muscle Car Shit?

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Well, I do.

They're fun, fast cars. What else matters?

I personally don't see where one's appreciation for traditional rods & customs hinges on one bashing everything else that isn't exactly that.



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Thank you! Well said!

And good luck Hemi. I hope you did'nt mind me posting this on here but I liked your site and am very tired of these corps. thinking they own every damn thing. I guess now they can start going after everyone that has a tattoo of their logo on their body!

[ray]

did ford actually DO anything to make you close the side down? or just send threatening letters and bog you down with legal responses? their lawyers can send some pretty scary looking stuff that is more or less powerless.

i would keep the site up, make sure there were NO mustangs, and corrospond with them no further. then see if they actually DO anything.

but then i don't know the details of your situation. maybe its not a big deal to you.

[CadillacKid]

Man Hemi, I wish i could've seen your website before they put the kybosh on it...post what you're calling the new site when you get it up and running...i wanna see a snowmobile with a Hemi in it.... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[ddan]

this came to my attention previosly have we sold the english language to the highest bidder?

[DrJ]

Pacer was an Edsel in '58 and an AMC in '75. did the name rights get sold?
There's a Mishimushi being sold now with a Dodge model name from the past (but it escapes me at the moment). Or does Dodge own Mishimushi?

Ford built a "Custom" can they claim all the web sites with the word in the title?
Chevy sold a "Deluxe" have they hassled CK Deluxe yet?

There was a Japanese car called the Sopporo a couple decades ago, is it a beer can?

I think the use of Boss as a noun is the only way they should be able to bitch, but they have the money to keep going to court till the day you die....

[Hot Rod To Hell]

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Or does Dodge own Mishimushi?


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Actually, yes, they are affiliated. Mitsubishi eclipse = Eagle Talon, Mitsubishi 3000gt = Dodge stealth, etc...

[hemi]

CadillacKid, here ya go:

http://www.snowmobile-canada.com/race5.jpg

http://www.vintagesleds.com/restoration/rarebirds/RuppSpeedster/RUPPv8.jpg
and actually it's a 351 Windsor, but you could put a hemi in it...
Here's the caption:
"1969 Rupp Super Sno Sport, dual tracks, with a Hillborn Fuel injected 351 Windsor Ford and makes 525h.p.@7500rpm. built by Jim Head and driven by Mickey Rupp himself - this endangered species is 1 of 1 ever made!"




and tell me this thing isn't boss?
http://www.snowmobile-canada.com/race1.jpg

[CadillacKid]

Wow, that thing's a bad mutherfucker! I'm not into any snow sports (not really any summer ones either, except CARS), but if i had to have a sled, it'd damn well fer sure hafta be just like that! Thanks Hemi...the second one's damn cool too!